The future of paintball? from the past!
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Topic: The future of paintball? from the past!
Posted By: skrip00
Subject: The future of paintball? from the past!
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 12:52am
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current paintball guns shoot .68 cal rounds. These are spherical and very similar to the rounds used by firearms over 150 years ago!
a simple solution: make balls smaller. drop it down from .68 to .50 or .45 cal. This leads to more balls per hopper and lighter weight/mass, smaller size (less resistance) leading to improved accuracy.
just look at airsoft and how tiny balls used there are very accurate.
with the current technology behind ball-making being as advanced as it is, transitioning shouldnt be a problem.
this seems to be the next logical step in paintball since we have maxed out performance from the power source we use, to the guns, to the barrels. Now all that needs to be changed is the ball.
there are major issues though. The first is practicality. No one has .50 cal paintballs yet, or paintball guns.
If a few companies get together and begine making kits for mainstream guns (like the tippmans and spyders) to modify them to fire smaller rounds. For the M98C, a modified bolt and reciever attachment can be made, along with a new elbow, and a new smaller barrel. This would be interesting to see since we dont really know how using smaller paint rounds can affect gameplay.
in speedball, where spamming paint everywhere is the name of the game, moving to a smaller round allows players to carry more balls. In woodsball, smaller balls are less hindered by branches and cane travel further while being less susceptible to air resistance.
i dunno, this is an idea i was toying with.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 2:24am
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Its been brought up before. Basically, its completley unfeasible. In order to rotate to smaller rounds, barrels, hoppers, and guns have to be changed to accomidate smaller rounds. This would be a major inconvinience for the player, as he would have to buy all new parts for his gun. Even if you kept the old size around, it would still be terrible. Companies would have to either pick a calibier to work with, or make products for both, which would make things very complicated. And as for manufacturing the paintballs, the companies would either have to make one caliber or another, or both. If they make both or smaller balls, they have to make new machinery, which costs money and would raise the price. Another thing is the size of the splat. Currently, the offical size of a splat that results in elimination is about the size of a quarter. A smaller projectile would hold less paint, therefore making a smaller splat. Tournaments would have to either pick a calibier for tournament play, or somehow work out a system where splats can be judged for both size balls. The problem is even if such a system is developed, how do you know who shot it, and what calibier it was? It would make things very complicated. Also, have you ever been hit with paint filled BBs? They dont break too well. The smaller the ball, the les force is applied to it when it hits, making it harder to break. The balls would break less frequently. Along side all that, the balls would fly faster, which would mean a new chrono limit, and possibly new saftly gear. New rules would have to be made and everything would be very complicated. In a perfect world, I think it would work, but at the moment, I doubt it will. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: BigD
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 8:08am
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How could you distinguish a hit with those rounds and say... splatter fire. ------------- Tippmann 98 Custom J&J Ceramic 14 in. VL Revolution w/ X-board Rufus Dawg Double Trigger Drop forward Rocket Cock II Vert. Adapter DOP X-Core DYE Sticky Grips Dye Invision |
Posted By: skrip00
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 9:26am
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the trick is to make the balls smaller, but not as small as airsoft rounds...
.50cal is smaller, but still large enough to hold a good ammount of paint, almost the best of both worlds.
its possible. all you need is a large (or small) company to force change... or a group of companies. If its done right, they will convince players that .50 cal is superior, and for many players, upgrading (and spending money) is something they do no matter the cost.
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Posted By: TIPPMANN P8NT
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 10:38am
Thats as far as I am going to read. Why?..... Do you have any idea how hard it would be for a juge to see the paint and call you out... ------------- "Caution, Lethal in large doses" www.freewebs.com/teamlethaldose |
skrip00 wrote:Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 11:24am
| The paintball would be affected (or is it effected, dang, wheres Admiral when you need him) by the wind more than the .68 |
Posted By: warmonger83
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 2:26pm
wrong, they actually make them for blowguns ------------- GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!! |
Posted By: 98God
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 3:25pm
| it would be easier to wipe....smaller ball= smaller splatter |
Posted By: maroon out
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 3:57pm
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I say we just fill the paintballs with a flammable liquid that would burst into flames whenever broken.
That way the refs would know to pull anyone screaming or ablaze. ------------- Watch your thoughts they become words Watch your words they become actions Watch your actions they become habits Watch your habits they become character Watch your character it becomes your destin |
Posted By: BigD
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 5:02pm
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I keep telling my friend that they need to make liquid nitrogen or mercury filled paintballs. then we can hunt the deadliest game of all... man. ------------- Tippmann 98 Custom J&J Ceramic 14 in. VL Revolution w/ X-board Rufus Dawg Double Trigger Drop forward Rocket Cock II Vert. Adapter DOP X-Core DYE Sticky Grips Dye Invision |
Posted By: jigglydude
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 5:36pm
 covers just about everything |
Posted By: Ruff Neck
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 7:35pm
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 5:28am
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If the ball is smaller, its lighter. As said, that means it will be
affected by wind more. But it will also have less mass, less inertia,
and wouldnt fly as far before the wind resistance would shave the speed
off.
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 9:27am
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Posted By: Longhorn424
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 6:40pm
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Again, nice to dream about but nearly impossible to make happen. Tippmann alone would have to spend about $250,000 in research.. $400,000 in delevolpment.. $30,000 in testing/prototypes.. $10,000,000 in new machinery to make the guns... $5,000 for new paintball molds.. Total: $10,685,000 a.k.a. WAYYY more than it's worth. (again that's only for Tippman/Werks alone) ------------- Those of you who don't see me.. are those of you who should fear me. |
Posted By: paintballman_13
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 8:16pm
Where did you get those prices from? Also why did The Guy post the same thing as Enos? |
Posted By: SatansEnemy
Date Posted: 19 August 2004 at 12:43am
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im sorry but if your not going to play fair, why even play??? if your hit call it. i mean if i ever see someone wipeing paint at my field, they will not be welcome back. i swear lil babies that cant play fair are showing their lack of skill for the game of paintball. i cant win fair so im going to cheat. and im not saying that you do, but i know it happens, and those that do should be kicked out of the field for a year. should be posted at every field. |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 19 August 2004 at 7:22pm
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they should make .50 cal sized paintball pistols that way it would be more of a pistol and you could actually use it like one. ------------- 
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 19 August 2004 at 10:57pm
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Too bad you cant use one of these fer paintball
that way no one would be able to wipe off the paint even if that person tried. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition! 
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Posted By: callmebob3
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 12:09am
how about no ------------- peas and luf |
Posted By: mick_collins
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 10:13pm
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it's called the smg 68 do a little research before you post plz and smaller balls have to be fired at higher velocities to reach target, less momentum and more affected by wind, but it did fire well th shrubs and bushes |