I LOATHE RUNNING!
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Topic: I LOATHE RUNNING!
Posted By: Thor
Subject: I LOATHE RUNNING!
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 4:51pm
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Youknow, for far too long now the army doctrine has been"run till ya puke, then swallow it, and run some more".
every mondaywe have 10 or so km runs around the base(usually with interspersed"last man to the front"windsprints")....now i don't usually complain...usually i soldier on. But i got to chatting with some medics.... The problem presented here is that excessive running for those who haven't extensively trained for long runs(like me, for example*cough*)it is detrimental to their health....i won't go into specifics as to why unless someone asks me...but basically running long distances(especially as the army does it)isn't healthy for the troops. i understand having combat marches every tuesday and thursday and circuit training on wednesday....but it's killing the squadron. Anyways, i just wanted to vent and hear some of yous guyses opinions. I know alot of you are PT gods and can share in some tips. Anyways, although i ain't built for running(6'2'' 240 lbs), i want to know some tricks and tips during runs to keep me comfortable.....the only problem persisting is i get real short on breath about 5 minutes into it and continue that way until 2 hours after cooldown. opinions and help would be nice. thanks ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
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Posted By: paintballman_13
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 4:54pm
| Segway. |
Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 4:55pm
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put your mind somewhere else. like replay a movie in your head or something.
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Posted By: Butch
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 4:57pm
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How is running long distances (you said 10K or so) bad for you? You will be surprised how fast you get in good shape. If you are in a battle and have to run a kilomter or 2 you will be appreciating all that distance running you trained with. ------------- I have returned to the Tippmann Forum. |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 4:59pm
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quit the army. shove that uniform right up your DS's ass and leave.....teach uncle sam to want you. But really though, you make a good point on health, but im not to sure the army wants people to be in the best of shape, i tihnk they want people to be able to endure the harshness that is your training and combat. Its not hard to see that its unhealthy and possibly dangerous, so i think they have a vague idea of what they are doing. ------------- 
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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 5:00pm
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well, like i said, for those whodo not train for it all the time....it has bad effects on bones and joints....as well as straining the heart.
You may say that strain is what excercise is, but it's not...at least not according to doctors and gym staff...it's about a gradual push of oneself. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 5:03pm
yeah for your size it can be very bad for you.you can "wreck" your knees and puts alot of stress on your feet,knees,hips,etc.thats the only reason i dont like running,high impact.   but i still do it. you can get shin splints,tendinitis, and other things.
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Posted By: EYES
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 5:13pm
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Yeah.... Overtraining is bad for your body and pointless. I remember training for nationals last summer. 8 hours a day plus running. That was ridiculous. It's just pointless and bad for you. It kills your body. There's a certain amount that a human just can't physically take anymore and it gets to be destructive. Take a few asprins/advils before you run. It'll help your body ignore some of the pain. Some of my team-mates did that before every practice and they said it worked great for them. I only tried it once though because I like to do everything naturaly. It seemed to help me work out better and I didn't get as tired. Works good. Might be bad for you though. I don't really know. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 5:17pm
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when they take people who ran/walked maybe 1-2 miles a day, and put them into that kind of stress, it doesnt do a body good. Take this for example, a guy is over heating, its best to cool him off, right? Yes, but not with a cooler full of ice water all at one time. That can and most likely will give him convulsions, and cause the need for hospitalness(i dont know, leave me alone). The same goes for running, you dont emerse yourself into 10 km of running, you do it gradually, and you give your body time to rest, if you wanna get healthy and in shape. -------------
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Butch wrote:Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 6:00pm
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^^Yeah, try and sing some songs in your head. That helps me when we are out on the track. Even though I play basketball, i can't run for a very long time, especially when we just starts practicing and coach makes us "run till we get it right". Sing in my head and also movies/shows helps for short distances, for me at least. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: ClancyWggm
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 6:05pm
No. Never take Advil or any other Ibuprophin before you run. That is one of the worst things you can do. When running, keep your spine in like with your hips and keep your hands down by your waist. Your hands should be loose like you're holding a rolled up piece of paper in them. Just bring your legs straight up. They'll go out by themselves. When going up hills, keep your head down, shorten your stride, and pump your arms more. But keep them down at your waist and your hands loose. Keep the same speed you were going at the whole time. Don't speed up or slow down on a hill. The key is to use the same amount of energy the whole time. When going down hills, keep your head down, leave your arms and shoulders loose, and let your weight carry you. Don't bunch your shoulders. That will cause you to lose energy you could be using for other things while you run. While you're running, keep a steady breath. Don't breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth or any of that crap. Take a breath for two steps and let it out for two steps, all the while breathing through your mouth. It's easier to run with people. Learn to pace off of them and your run will be easier/more enjoyable. Those are just some tips that will help. I'll post more later when I think of them. ------------- 
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Posted By: meteora
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 6:06pm
get yourself some all terain(sp) rollerblades ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: Random_Person
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 6:10pm
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i don't like to run, for my excersise i like to walk, 5 to 6 miles a day is my llimit any more than that and i get really tired, i'm alittle overweight so runnings not fun, but i like walking.
and it's not good to to over exert(sp) yourself as it sounds like your doing, but stick with it, don't quit something you started, keep it up, and thanks for serving our country. ------------- http://profile.xfire.com/kentuckyfriedgangsta"> 
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Posted By: Butch
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 6:14pm
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Aren't you supposed to practice before running to get in shape before boot camp? Doesn't common sense kick in a couple months before you depart for boot camp and say "Maybe I should start running a couple miles a day to work up to what we have to do at boot camp." I would sure be running at least 5 miles a day before boot camp. 10K is only 6.2 miles. Think about it...you start running 3 months before bootcamp. The first two weeks work up to a mile. Tack on a mile a week. When you get to camp 10K won't be anything, just a normal run. Usae your head and think ahead. Not ragging on you, just telling you to plan ahead, it's not the army's fault. ------------- I have returned to the Tippmann Forum. |
Posted By: 98God
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 6:21pm
| i actually like to run |
Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 7:19pm
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Dude, my freakin mom runs almost 10k (5 miles) a day, and she is in her 40's! I, however can't say the same for myself. I play center, so short distance sprints is what I am suposed to be doing. Back to topic, I agree with butch. I'm not ragin on you, but it is your fault. You should have planned ahead. Even now, you should have enough shame in yourself that you didn't plan ahead not to complain. Hopefully you see this now. As for your current problem, all of what we (me and Butch) won't help, so I'll add a bit more. Make sure to get plenty of rest. Take an Advil after you get finished. They last at least 8 hours. I recently suffered a neck injury (which is not uncomin for people in my position) and take an Advil twice a day. Drink some Gateraid if you can (Poweraid is full of too much sugar, but if it is all you have, take it by all means). Stretch often and stretch well. If you have any non-muscle aches, use ice ONLY. Never use heat on a non-muscle ache, it only makes it hurt worse. Ask some long distance runners about breathing patterns. I breath in 3's when jogging (i used to jog a lot) 2-short breaths in 1- deap breath out. It probably isn't the best thing though. Good luck with the army, and thank you for serving our country. ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 8:31pm
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Right!
While i admire the fact that you assumed i am some idiot in basic....you are completely wrong. i graduated basic training a year and a half ago....And just so you know, your overgloryfying it. Basic training is actually a cakewalk compared tosome of the courses i've been on(like SQ)... My point being,i did my runs and passed everything....i was merely pointing out the fact of how the doctrine isn't healthy for the troops. if you think running is the greatest thing in the whole world...then run run run. but when you go to pick up your rucksac and a full combat load and your weapon...not to mention rations...we'll see what wins....strength or some sort of running god...cuz i assure you it's not the runner. anyways, you were wrong to assume that i am some FNG. You might wana drop that kind of assuming thinking. now go back and read the post again....then talk. ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 8:47pm
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Posted By: matt06
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 9:22pm
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eh, i ran cross country in 7th and 8th grade, as well as track in 8th, even though im slow.
lets just say that my knees and ankles are terrible now. I run like half a mile and my knees will hurt for hours. I think i have tendinitis in my elbow too(unrelated to running) and......when I run, my shoulder starts to ache for some reason.... my joints=teh sucks. |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 9:26pm
| if you sprint,try running on your toes.if your running a few miles strike on your heel.people have different biomechanics.some are heel or forefoot strikes. |
Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 9:34pm
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i had heart surgery when i was 2 days old, it was a Coartation of the assending aorta, and because of that i get tired faster then others, so, i realy hate running. ------------- 
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 9:47pm
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My problem with running in the Marine Corps was running too slow in formation! The whole slowing down and circling back to pick up slackers killed my knees and ankles! Needless to say that on average all the PT (pull-ups/sit-ups/timed runs) and humping seemded to cater to "little guys". I was about 145-150lbs (I am 5'11)and had no problems, a lot (not all) of the bigger guys seemed to lack the stamina needed to do well. We also had a Gunney that loved to bust out 10 mile runs out of no where. Problem was that if your body and preparation was gearing toward 3-5 mile runs, ten miles would wipe you out. Needless to say someone complained and they eventually disappeared... ------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 9:53pm
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I usually take the longest stride possible and avoid putting my heel down. It seems to me like landing on your heel wastes some energy. But for long runs like that, it might be smart to use your heels so that you don't strain your achilles tendons and calves. ------------- 
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Posted By: airballer12
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 10:56pm
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anybody tried doing the running for a high school football team? ya, lots of ibuprofen ------------- me and my friends have won 1st in 3 out of 3 5 man airball tournaments in the rookie division, woot! Front Playa- Team Confuzion my tippy: 98c w/ all american barrel, ebolt, egg 2 hopper |
Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 11:04pm
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Dude, you think running (track and CC) is bad on you, try football. Not only do we run 20 50 yrd sprints AFTER hitting and driving for 3 hours, but you have to lift wieghts. By the time most high school level football players are 40, the have serious backa nd joint problems. My dad was a tailback in high school, and when he was 39 he had a herniated(sp) disk in his back. The ammount of stress put on your joints and spine is way more unhealthy than running alone. Another unhealthy sport is wrestling. My cousin was dropped on his neck in the semi-finals of a tournament. The other guy was disqualified, but he had to go on to the championship match injured (he ended up losing rather quickly). ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 11:08pm
Eh i dont think anybody mentioned this, but try stretching better and longer before your run. This will help A LOT. Also dont run to fast in the beginning, keep a steady pace. Well everybody has said everything else..well good luck.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Fallout_soldier
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 11:59pm
I agree thye want you tough and hopefully fit... but mainly tough. ------------- 
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 12:55am
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I thought I was in shape until I started RIP (Ranger Indoctrination Program), which was the first time I was run until I puked. Spend more time on the road and less time in the gym. At 5,9", I went from 160 to 135 lbs, and I never felt better in my life. If you are stationed stateside, get a good bike. I hate running, so I ride 150 to 200 miles a week. There are usually organised group rides around the larger posts, and you'll be guaranteed a good workout that's alot easier on your legs and back. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: thecorpseman
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 1:08am
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I don't have that problem cause my docter won't let me do
ANYTHING more or less running. ------------- FAPM- Forumers against PopeMobile. |
Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 9:50am
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I am not stationed in the US....i'm not even in the US army....i am a canadian soldier.
laugh if you want...but our standards are just as high as the yanks standards are. I agree with them wanting us tough, and fit to fight on even past the objective. Problem still remains. i am in a deployment ready detachment....that means i could go anytime with 48 hrs notice.....what i see are troops being run and worked till they are injured and no longer suited for deployment. that's the issue. i also have pt induced asthma...that's why i have trouble breathing on the runs. And for those of you who liken this to football and other sports.i ask you wha your thinking....any soldier at any time is tougher than a football player, both physically and moreso mentaly.... Anyways, any military personnel here find a way to sort this problem out...because the master corporals and some seargents are open to suggestions in my troops....but they have to be just as rugged....just less painful....do you think swimming will corrolate to good pt? ------------- A second class drive is always better than a first class walk. |
Posted By: ClancyWggm
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 9:54am
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Where are you stationed? -------------
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 12:10pm
I doubt this is an option for you, but try to seek a "low impact" alternative. Things like aqua jogging. Like normal running, but you work harder against the resistance of the water, and your joints hardly take any abuse on the bottom of the pool. Or, these puppies: 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 12:12pm
Yeah, but you guys aren't going to get shot at... |
Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 12:26pm
One unit I was stationed with alternated, Monday: Regular Platoon/Section PT. Tuesday: Sport of choice, generally basketball because most of us in my platoon played in the chow-time softball and flag-football league, Wednesday: Regular Company PT, Thursday: Off or Sport, and Friday: Battalion PT or hump. ------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |