Getting Tired of the Morass
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Topic: Getting Tired of the Morass
Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: Getting Tired of the Morass
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 2:53pm
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It is just a shame when we as a nation start eating our own in the search and quest for power.
A veteran is a veteran, be it Medal Of Honor winner, or a cook serving at Ft. Dix NJ, the point is they served their nation, be it active or guard/reserve, war or peace THEY ARE AN HONORED VETERAN. The political gamesmanship of each side playing "unfair" is more troubling, one side gets books, and movies, and biased coverage, against their advasary, and says that is freedom of speech, yet one book comes out on their candidate that is less than flatering, and its time to ban the book based on the "lies". We are overtaxed, over governed, too many illegals, to many social programs, to many jobs overseas, and just too many band-aids on a culture that has a serious bleeder, and is dieing from the inside out. We all lose in November, for to see us today, in a purely caste system of the have's ruling, the have nots not having to do anything, and recieving benifits, and the actual worker paying for both sides and not able to support himself or family, and told he needs to give more, I think the fore fathers of this country would be a tad bit disappointed in what we have done to thier country 228 years later. I just feel sorry for my grandchildren, for this is the mess they will have to face, what the generation before me spawned, what my generation fostered, what the next generation corrupted, and what their generation will be forced to live in. It is a truely no-win..just the lessor of the evils till we have no choice and it will be the evil who eventually will rule. History is to be learned, and those who care not to learn from their history are destined to repeat it..... Read up on the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, The fall of the Soviet Block and Union, and see the comparisons in governments attitude towards the people.......... The day 18Aug04, that the State of Nebraska i front of a mass of people, witnessing, arrested a 83 year old Veteran, in his WW2 Uniform standing at attention, stating he was defending his right to have the 10 Commandments Monument in his park, where he sat daily at his bench 90% of the time alone, and the youth applauding the fact he was arrested and calling him a "sick" person, that was the day, as the crane lifted the monument and placed it roughly in the back of a dump truck, and the old vet sat crying in the back of the patrol car, I knew that we as a Nation are dieing, and I now question what I consider right anymore, and what I see as the New America. ------------- 
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 2:56pm
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No offense at all, I thank you for serving our country and everything, and I have family members that have served the thing. But everyone one of your post refer to the war, wether it be a video game like battlefield 1942 or anything, its always the troubled youth not showing respect. I agree with you completely, but you have beat this into the ground. ------------- 
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 2:58pm
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Let the soldiers (and Marines) fight the wars and keep the politicians home kissing babies where they belong. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 2:59pm
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Sorry if that didn't make much sense, but I'm basically drunk... So any expectation of eloquence is misplaced. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: †Sniper†
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:04pm
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words escape me... -------- *Sandman is wasted* ahahaha  |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:05pm
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I hate you. you are much smarter than i could ever hope to be when you are drunk... But oldsoldier, i generally agree with you, and this is no exception. ------------- 
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SandMan wrote:Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:10pm
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I think I need an annotated interpretation... :/ |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:13pm
Smartest thing youve ever posted. ------------- 
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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:29pm
Try reading his post again. It barely mentioned youth. As a 16-year-old, I can see where this is coming from. I think it's partly because the European/Western groups that "settled" this "savage" country and destroyed countless flourishing civilizations had no morals in the traditional sense of the word. Yes, many of them were Christians. But they were also Catholics, who are a very extreme group of Christians, with many practices that are not practiced by anyone else because they're not in the Bible. Not necessarily anyone's fault, it took a good while for Bibles to be common material... anyway, I digress. These people had no qualms about destroying a village to take the wealth of the people. The natives were "inferior" (part of this is because the women ran the communities, and of course all women are complete morons with no intellignce, and are unsuitable for government). Anyway, the people who eventually settled the nation were largely of this group of Europeans. Yes, I know they weren't Catholics, that's irrelevant and I probably shouldn't have mentioned it... bear with me. Anyway, because our nation was founded to protect our rights, it quickly opened the door to gross political correctness. Nobody can offend anyone, unless they're a white male Christian. This double standard has, I think, significantly contributed to the way our country went from a unified, free nation (except the slaves, of course, who shouldn't have been here anyway) to a group of people who are shamefully lazy. I almost wish we would have a giant catastrophe, forcing everyone to go back to fundamentals. Make everyone from the absurdly wealthy to the pitifully poor to the "I get welfare so I don't need a job" type ALL work on farms to stay alive. Weed the lazy bums and greedy money-grubbers out of our gene pool. Wishful thinking; like Communism, it'd never happen in practice. I think if the conquistadores who invaded this continent had left the natives alone, we'd have a MUCH better society. Example, not many people know that the Incan cities in South America had sewers and running water while the Europeans of the same time period were throwing their sewage out their windows onto the streets, and contracting smallpox from not bathing. The Indians didn't have smallpox because they not only didn't wear ridiculous clothing during the blazing heat, they didn't go for months at a time without bathing. The people wearing these clothes were taught to do so by the central Catholic church. Ironically, it was humans who realized that being naked was shameful, according to the Bible... At any rate, we need to institute common sense testing. I was thinking about this today. Make driving tests much harder, and install trackers so people who try to bend the rules and endanger the other people out there get caught. Don't allow computers to people who demonstrate that having a computer would do nothing but waste other people's time. Quit trying to suppress religions in the name of equality, and acknowledge that religion does, in fact, influence vast portions of our society. Separation of church and state is meant to avoid a national, mandatory religion, not to say that religion is a terrible propaganda tool used to indoctrinate young children into biased beliefs. Again, wishful thinking. All it would take would be for people to use their brains for a few seconds more each day. I've met severely mentally retarded people with more coherent thoughts and more rational decision-making processes than most of the people I see and come in contact with during my day. Our nation has dropped its morals; next do we drop our pants? I really wish the US wasn't full of people who embarrass the rest of us. Man, I've been doing a LOT of these long posts lately.. I need to get out more. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die. 
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:30pm
Yes, well, one can never let their standards down... Even in inebriation. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Notorious Bob
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:33pm
| Theres money to be made. People arent going to care about what is right and wrong. |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:34pm
Dear old cynicism... How I love thee. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: †Sniper†
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:35pm
Drink more. |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:38pm
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Or less. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Notorious Bob
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:42pm
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Bah. I forgot where I put my dictionary. |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:47pm
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"A cynic is one who knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing."
I think that was Oscar Wilde, but I'm not sure. Whoever it was, they thought they were really smart. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:51pm
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In seriousness, not relating to my drunkenness, Old Soldier speaks from a slanted perspective.
Freedom and liberty are fragile things and cannot survive the controlling nature of religion. This is exactly why we have such a mortal conflict with the Muslim countries. The Government absolutely cannot sponsor religion. If the Veterans are so upset, we should buy the damn park so it's private land and put whatever the hell we want to put on it. I don't believe in problems. Only solutions. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Random_Person
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 3:54pm
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damn, thats really well stated for someone who's drunk, i agree with you though ------------- http://profile.xfire.com/kentuckyfriedgangsta"> 
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 4:01pm
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My blood alcohol level has very little influence on how I write... It only increases the number of times I have to type it to make it right. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 4:27pm
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SandMan, posting a religion-oriented monument isn't against the constitution (I don't think). Generally those type of things are privately sponsored, based on what I've seen in parks around where I live. I doubt it was in this case, but part of the sad thing about these types of deals is that a privately funded monument can't exist.
I know, because there's a local church who always tries to put up a Nativity scene at Christmas time in a visible area, and the only way it'll get approved is if they fund a Jewish display and a Muslim display too. Also, I don't think freedom and religion cannot coexist. Barring corrupted leaders (there went this argument), the way religion (in my case, Christianity) is organized is actually fairly limited in the rules that need to be followed. Obviously you can't require someone to obey "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" in a free-religion country, but to disallow a monument in a park is a bit too far. Someone cared enough to put it there, but that's not exactly the same as the government forcing people to obey a certain god. Heck, I don't object to the visible signs of Islam, and yet somehow making people learn the Islamic viewpoint as correct while showing Christians to be lying hypocrites is not offensive? That's what our history books teach. They fail to explain that, like the terrorists in the Middle East, the people claiming to kill thousands in the name of God are misguided extremists, most of whom had never seen a Bible in person. But no, Christians are all evil, immoral people. Which is why you see so many of us randomly killing others in the name of Jesus. We must not allow Christian monuments or signs or views to be even mentioned in our schools nor displayed on our properties. Give me a break. You'd be hard pressed to prove that this nation is equally tolerant of all religions to anyone who's seen this stuff firsthand. I guarantee you that if the aforementioned monument had been a quoted passage from the Quran, it would still be there. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 4:50pm
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Maybe in your reality... But there's a lighted cross on (I forget which) mountain that's clearly visible from almost anywhere in Denver... And attempts to make the owner remove it have failed.
Also, churches all over here have nativity scenes in their front yards. ----- The Constitution aside, Government sponsored religion doesn't work. It never has. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: welcome guest
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 4:55pm
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There are many of interesting things in this topic you brought up OS. Here's how I interpret them correct if wrong or add as needed. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address? The Constitution CORRUPTION THROUGH POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS
I am not sitting and letting this happen. I have sent many emails to members of congress,phone calls,letters. And the most important thing I do is vote. We have to stop the CORRUPTION THROUGH POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS weather Democrat or Republican. No more contributions like the way they are presented now. ------------- http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. 
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Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 5:00pm
1 in 1097 isn't so bad ------------- 
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Posted By: JoeG254-PB
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 5:08pm
| About the vietnam veterans books and commercials I don't believe them, I am a republican but I don't believe them, but kerry gets those same kinds of commercials supporting him also movies and the liberal media but when that type of sponsorship ios used against him everyone's up in arms blaming bush about how he won't stop the ads etc. I think thats just not right. I don't support any of that propaganda for either side but for one side to whine about while their soft money supporters are doing the same thing to the other side is just wrong. |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 5:16pm
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Morality is a product of religion, and the principles of morality are the basis of our laws, and government. Violence perpetrated in the name of religion is a product of men. It is the usual pursuit of power and wealth with a convenient excuse. "There is nothing new under the sun", as it said in the old testament. The political climate of today is little different than it was one hundred, or one thousand years ago. Those who want power, and have the means to get it, will have power. In the end, everything balances out, either through collapse, or revolution. You can only do what you can do, the world moves on it's way regardless. "There is a time for all things, all things under heaven", another one from the old testament. If you spend too much time thinking and worrying about what's wrong in this country, you may not realise how much is right. I've been around enough to know that there is still no better place to be.
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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 20 August 2004 at 5:20pm
Reality? Try my state. Does the person own that tract of land? If so, that's not the government's business. Visible does not mean obnoxious, and as I said, I'd almost guarantee that if it was a symbol for Islam (is there one? I'm not sure on this) that it wouldn't be "offensive" to anyone. And I'm glad that where you live, churches are allowed to put up nativity scenes. Here, even on their own property churches have to make them super-tiny and impossible to see. I never said that government-sponsored religion was a good idea. I think I'd prefer it, but it would just make everyone angry. I do suggest a real tolerance of religions, and I also suggest incorporating religion into government. Basically, allowing some kind of official voice from leaders of different religions would, I think, benefit the country. As it is, most people criticize any politician who allows his faith to influence his vote. What those same people fail to realize is that each Senator was elected by the majority. If you don't like his views, then ask him to vote against or for whatever. Don't resort to implying that religion has NO place in ANY decision. (This wasn't directed to SandMan, just to the morons who think that religion is some kind of evil mind-controlling force). ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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