ok here's a little tippmann help. dont say sniper here. people tend to flame you. just a little advise. also here is a good one:

tippmann 98c

flatline barrel system

expansion chamber

remote line

some sort of scope if you like

i hope this helped you a little. good luck with your set up. and welcome to the forums!!!!!

Like Smitty said don't use the "S" word on this fourm, its dangerous.

Anyway a good long range shooting setup would be a gun with a flatline on it. Like a 98c with flatline, A-5 with flatline, Autococker with flatline.

paint the gun in camo

Scope on top

Put a stock on the back of it unless its an autococker

Put a By-pod under the berral

and get a guilli suit

The popular opinion and consensus ,is that snipers dont exist in paintball , and any Dad-gummit , bone headed Newbie that insists that this is a fantasy game that glorifies combat , and wants to try and be a sniper ,is not only without a total lack of judgement , but is totally detached from reality , and need to be held underwater for about half an hour for a reality check !!

Having said all that , the disbelievers DO have some good points to make , you cannot engage an enemy from beyond the range of effective return fire . No matter the aerodynamics of the flatline , as long as it is shot at a comparable Velocity as other paintball markers ,it will have the same effective range , Simple Physics , and newtons laws of gravity take precedence over advertising hype there . Distance , you wont get with a flatline,, not appreciably anyway , that leaves only one thing,, Accuracy .

There are many things you can do to make your 98 more accurate , most would agree an aftermarket barrel is Prolly the most important , and first upgrade a Tippmann owner should make . I agree with that , and get some practice . Research paint to barrel bore match , barrel lengths , polishing your internals (for shot to shot consistency ) before you spend any money on a barrel , time well spent . Then play with your marker for a bit , see what you like , and what you dislike , then research some more and find the best improvements for YOUR style of play . I only have a few store bought upgrades , Cuz that matches my style of playing , and works for me , that may not work for you ,only you can decide that, lol

The best set up you can get is one you are accurate with and are well practiced on , focus on that , and you will blow away your opponents . its not the marker that defines the player , develop your game first . there are some pump players that OWN the field when they walk on, and its not cuz of their markers ,its whats pulling the trigger !!

Well. You don't need a gun to look like a sniper. You can just buy a tippmann 98 custom buy some speedball upgrades. And use sniper tactics. That will work just as good. Those sights and flatline barrel and stuff is all overpriced. Paintball is a game in itself. Its not made to replicate real life. I use to think the same thing. But its a game in itself. So don't be like oh I don't want that its not realistic. It deosn't matter. Just remember that. And the best tactic that I can give is Just because you can't see them deosn't mean they can't see you. Well I hope that helps.

Groove.

Robert C wrote: I dont know whats more annoying, the sniper posts, or everyone warning them "not to say the "s" word". Anyway I do have to agree, you will quickly grow out of wanting to be a sniper after you play a few games and realize your not doing anything but hurting your team and yourself.

b.s. i play senerio games and personally snipers a highly honored out there and we change the outcome majorly but were not  "snipers" in the most indepth of the term but that just triped my trigger so i had 2 retaliate

Robert C wrote: I dont know whats more annoying, the sniper posts, or everyone warning them "not to say the "s" word". Anyway I do have to agree, you will quickly grow out of wanting to be a sniper after you play a few games and realize your not doing anything but hurting your team and yourself.

So dude dont talk before you actually know whats going on/already happend.

Topic starter; I would say, get a flatline barrel, a remote line, a car or full combat stock, and if you want the buy your self a nice adco site. http://www.opsgear.com - http://www.opsgear.com , http://www.ronin-gear.com - http://www.ronin-gear.com , http://www.LapcoDirect.com - http://www.LapcoDirect.com , http://www.acisports.com - http://www.acisports.com , http://www.bushrag.com - http://www.bushrag.com

ok i just found this out the definition of sniper a is a a person shooting from a concealed position. so really if you hide in a bush and shoot someone without being seen you were just a sniper just a fact that i found.

Robert C wrote: I dont know whats more annoying, the sniper posts, or everyone warning them "not to say the "s" word". Anyway I do have to agree, you will quickly grow out of wanting to be a sniper after you play a few games and realize your not doing anything but hurting your team and yourself.

Yeah, I'm glad that people finally realize that, and if they didn't, then I would just give up this sport.

ekeboo wrote: ok i just found this out the definition of sniper a is a a person shooting from a concealed position. so really if you hide in a bush and shoot someone without being seen you were just a sniper just a fact that i found.

Oh, well that I hope ends this stupid thread.

SNIPERS CAN'T POSSIBLY EXIST IN PAINTBALL.

IT'S PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY, AND SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!

  u  res

whiteknight457 wrote: u newbs dunno wat u talkin bout.

Let's all bow down to the Uber King of paintball, the angry screaming 12- year old.

Now wait for the really long of post of him flaming me with lots of THIS and  and **edited**er.

I said it wont shoot appreciably farther , apply the laws of physics here , as in impact energy , it takes a certain amount of energy to break the gelatin casing upon impact , and if the velocitys are the same,or comparable , the the EFFECTIVE range will be the SAME !!

The areodynamics of the flatline will make the ball travel in a roughly straighter line , than a ball without a backspin , but the energy WILL be the same upon impact , no matter spin or not .

I will OWN you on this ,if you care to debate it , you may get a bit more hang time, but not a bit more greater effective range with a flatline .

Face it , the Flat line is a good idea, and has its uses , but the laws of physics demand that once a Projectile leaves the barrel ,it is subject to friction , aerodynamics , and gravity .

If you take ANY projectile , whether it is from a High powered rifle ,or a paintball marker ,it is subject to :

1: Gravity , which falls faster , a pound of feathers , or a pound of lead ? Answer : is the same , except for the friction of the surface area creating drag on the object falling.. You can tell almost exactly when a rifle bullet will hit dirt ,if it is fired from a level position , drop a weight at the instant you fire , when one hits the ground , so will have the other.. All things are subject to gravity.

2 Friction , Heres, the biggie that kills the effectiveness of the flatline . When a projectile is fired from a barrel , it has an initial velocity , weight , and Trajectory . Friction deals with the weight and velocity as it relates to paintball . For the sake of discussion , I will assume all paintballs weigh the same , and they do , roughly , unless you want to get out a triple beam scale and measure into differences of the magnitude of a few grains of sugar or salt

Velocity , paintballs travel thru the air and are subject to variations in currents (Ie, side drafts , head wind ) assuming it is calm , no wind , there is still friction from the paintball passing through the air , that is called drag , and will slow down a paintball ,or any projectile passing thru it. High Velocity rounds are conical to minimize this effect , pointed bullets etc , paintballs are round , their Co-efficient of drag (that is a valid scientific term ) is roughly the same , no matter what brand , and will all experience the same rate of slowing down due to this drag , its unaviodable . The rate of slowing is determined by the weight of the projectile , and its drag (shape) .

The range of a paintball is determined by its velocity and weight , Period . that means its effective range , because it needs to have enough momentum to break the gelatine casing WHEN it reaches its intended target , momentum is also called impact energy at the instant it hits the target . thicker shells on paintballs require more impact energy to break on a target than do thinner shelled paintballs , IE , the thicker shells require more impact energy to break than do thinner ones at the same distance and velocity . But for our purposes , all paintball shells are the same , and require equivalent impact energy to break , that translates into Feet Per Second , assuming that all shells , and weights are equal .

3.Aerodynamics , Here's where the Flatline shines , every projectile has some combination of co-efficient of drag , and inertia . The flatline puts a backspin on the paintball like a fastball in baseball,, Aerodynamically , that reduces the air pressure on the top of the ball , and increases it on the bottom , that creates a kind of lift ,like an airplane wing , but instead of using a fixed shape ,like a wing , it uses friction and inertia , the spin of the ball helps the air pass along the top of the paintball with less friction , than the bottom of the ball . It creates a lift effect , and makes the paintball travel flatter , further than a ball without the back spin , this is great for shooting under overhanging obstructions and such , low hanging branches , Etc .

TRAJECTORY : (I can count , but this is an after thought ) For all you non Flatline owners out there , like myself . Its the impact energy that matters , and there aint much you can do about that .  Go to "Mortar Mode" , Lobbing rounds into where your opponent is , Y'all know that to put your ball further out , you gotta aim higher , as long as your ball has the impact energy sufficient to break upon impact , dont let the Flatline intimidate you , at the same FPS it wont matter , unless you are in heavy overgrowth (then PH33r the Flatline ) , just aim a bit higher, soon the Flatline shooter , will be sitting in the dead box , Yer still an even bet on putting him out .

I "kill" flatlines all the time , no biggie , they are subject to the same rules of physics as I am , think of your shot as a stream of water coming out of a water hose (parabolic curve )(Ballistic curve) , whatever.. know your gun , know what it will do..

S\/\/4T-L()G4N wrote: ekeboo wrote: ok i just found this out the definition of sniper a is a a person shooting from a concealed position. so really if you hide in a bush and shoot someone without being seen you were just a sniper just a fact that i found. Way to not look at any other sniper thread. READ one. Just one, that is all I ask. One of the long ones actually. If you look at what you just said, that make EVERY SINGLE woodsball player a sniper. And if that was the case, then why would we call ANYONE a sniper. According to your definition, when I shoot deer with my bow, I AM A SNIPER. HECK NO. I am 15 freaking yards away if that. I have sat on the ground looking EYE TO EYE with a deer 7 feet away. I am not a sniper. You are not a sniper. Nobody in paintball is a sniper. If you play woods and arent shooting from a conceal postition you need to quit paintball this very moment. You can't have that broad of a defintion.

well eexxxccuuuusssseee me!  Deer are also really dumb i didnot say i was a sniper and you can shoot somebody with them seeing you!!! and with youre last sentance you should get your tail out of a bush and do a stinkin charge on a bunker!!!

Darur wrote: i m teh snipp-er.  U CNT C ME! i will snip u!!  Note : I love these threads, and the above post was pure sarchasm, and yes, i know you a cansee this.  I pity the newb that highlights and quotes this.

You gonna snip someone wit a scissor?

Wait,, back up a bit , I cant find you Wit my 3X9 Weaver , Wats Dat ?!? , Yer ear !! , ok, Aww Pooh , hit the dirt 30 feet in front of you , lemme sneek up on ya , hold still now,, ,plug Yer ears, here I come , Woot Gotcha !! Oh, wait,,

This is starting to read like an old comic book , lol

The people on this forum have no life.Enough with the sniper. So as promised heres my speach again 

Look all yalls argueing about snipers have gotten so old I'm thinking of never opening this forum again. People please stay away from the word snipers. I'm thinkin a lot of these people lost their parents to snipers the word makes them so upset. I'm guesing that everyone knows its a touchy subject here. So if someone even mentions it then don't argue with them. A word is only as important as the meaning WE give it not a bunch of proffesional snipers and dictionarys. The reason I'm so mad is from previous posts and I don't want a flame war growing again.

Yes I have posted this before and will keep posting this till yall give up fighting.

ok its probaly already been said but i just wanna kno why people act anal about the word sniper and why they dont like them when they play the way i see it is if u r following the rules then don worry bout what other people r doing worry about ur self

WOAH scary that sounded like a cheap dr. phil

I am Kamikaze when i play.. i get shot alot in one game but i also get alot of people out..bunkering is fun

TippmannBro wrote: I think that we need to get the Moderators to sticky a post up that will tell all of the newbs that they do not need to start sniper posts. They are the ones who get all this started, but they dont know any better. It would help if they were given some sort of warning about what it will cause. This thread needs to be closed. I hate these things.

Not everyone who joins this forum will see it at first. Everyone needs to just do what I said calm down and don't get upset. If someoine asks about a sniper setup again try to help them but don't give them any crap about what they just said.

Im repeating what I said in another thread that was started a couple days ago....

If you really think bout it, theres only 1 way to avoid the "sniper subject" in the forum....."ignore it". 

If you get an urge to see what the hoopla is all bout...jus read it and dont post anything.

Wolfie kinda shot himself outta the saddle on that one, but at least he recognized it,,

Which leads us back to the original topic of the post , accuracy is most important in any paintball set up , and the first upgrade most players (speedballers , woodsballers , and "snipers") get .

Getting to know your gun is probably THE most important thing ,in becoming a player to be rekoned with , no matter what tactics you use Speed , Stealth , Ambush . The second , and some would say (rightly so ) just as important ,is to know your tactics , and their execution ,in other words , Practice , Practice , practice .

The reason sniper posts catch so much flak is easy to spot , most sniper posts are made by newer players (post count aside ) Newer players want to play, but may still be trying to define their style , what better way than to go solo then , and watch others on the field ? for those of you that do have jobs , were you expected to assume your full duties on the first day ?, or were you put with a more experienced "hand" for a while , given the basics , and some tips and then kinda coached for a bit before you were turned loose ? That may not be a perfect analogy , but in paintball it would be great if it happened that way . Often it dont , so Newbs got to figure it out for themselves . wanna cut down on snipers ?, OK, take a newb under your wing and show him how to play , at least what you can , show him an Uber trick or two , coach him a bit , Shoot him once or twice (He-he , coaching Fees   ) and then show him how not to get shot so often !!

I took a group of players out this saturday , to a field I had never been to (a sponsored event at the community where I live ), and offered my help where-ever it was wanted . I gave a few tips , provided transportation to and from for some,  fixed a few simple problems with the rental markers (loose tanks and squeege services , and reff'd a few games ) , and even donated some ammo so everybody could have roughly the same amount of paint going into the last few games . 

It just takes a lil bit of time , and patience to encourage someone , and its not that hard with this game , the adrenaline does most of the motivating .

We all want a more educated ,involved player population , if we put in some time coaching new players , we will get that , and have fewer players teaching themselves .

Kudos Sarge , good point !!