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Topic: Does America need 4 Armed Forces’?
Posted By: Sammy
Subject: Does America need 4 Armed Forces’?
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 12:00am
If you noticed i didnt put Marines on that list, because either in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution (i forgot) it says something about the Marines always being in the US Military. So which Special Force do you think we dont need as much as the others? Also remember this, the Air Force recieves more funding than all the other Armed Forces' combined...


EDIT. This isnt a favorite, least favorite thing, its which you think we no longer require.

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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 12:02am
I think each is a necessity to the country

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 12:05am
But if you think about it most countries only have 1-3. Air, Ground, and maybe sea. Also some of them might be combined, and i think the Marines and the Army have basically the same purpose therefore i put my vote for them.

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 12:09am

I think the Air Force and the Navy Can Combine into Each other.

Also I think the Marines could be a Special Branch in the Army that you can join, kinda like Rangers and special Forces...



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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 12:15am

Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

But if you think about it most countries only have 1-3. Air, Ground, and maybe sea.

That's because we kick so much more arse than other countries

 



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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 12:19am

^ Russia + China = World Domination. 

If they ever teamed up and lost there mind The whole world would be **edit**



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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 2:00am
None.  I think we need them all.


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Posted By: SlipKnoTpb
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 2:09am
Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

But if you think about it most countries only have 1-3. Air, Ground, and maybe sea. Also some of them might be combined, and i think the Marines and the Army have basically the same purpose therefore i put my vote for them.
most countries arent trying to "police" the rest of the world. and if you didn't know, the Marine Corps is a department of the Navy. each branch of the service is essential. the difference between the Marines and the Army is the Marines are meant as a fast and hard attack while the Army is meant for overwhelming force and occupation.

*e: if china and russia teamed up they wouldnt last very long. everyone knows communism doesnt work. havent you seen Enemy at the Gates?

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Posted By: chs61224
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 2:47am
Originally posted by SlipKnoTpb SlipKnoTpb wrote:



*e: if china and russia teamed up they wouldnt last very long. everyone knows communism doesnt work. havent you seen Enemy at the Gates?


Russia isn't a communist state it is a federation, and don't cite movies when commenting on anything political.

And another thing how does Enemy at the Gates show Communism doesn't work? I thought it just reaffirmed that Stalin killed millions of his own citizens.

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 4:25am
Communisum Can work... You just have to worry about the Fat White Capatalist Sticking his Fat nose in there buisness...

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Posted By: dye prs
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 5:07am
ok for real none. wth . every one who posted none i hope u dont live in my country(usa) thsi is the planet earth. WE FIGHT AND KILL AS HUMANS (with the capps ) if we didnt have any we woudl be taken over so fastly. ugh u ppl dont even count as real humans just go away. i really want to beat the POOP out of u guys who said none. just do urself a  something good and kill ur self.  or at least stop being stupid. hfc.

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Posted By: dye prs
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 5:13am
Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:

^ Russia + China = World Domination. 

If they ever teamed up and lost there mind The whole world would be **edit**



panda man. ur cool and all but for real. china and that other plac that shoudlnt even be called a country. 00o they have a 3million man army. so they have nothing to back it up with. only till now have they been aloud to buil new guns tanks plans every thing sences ww2.  were so far ahead of every one technicoly its crazy. like look into the new camo we have (makes the person 80% invisable) the land warrier system all that b/s its awsome and crazy. and plus if all els faile we have about 28 million more nuclear missiles then the rest of this planet. america would rather  waste this planet and every thing on it b4   we lost a war to china or any one els. and the new fighter were putting into service (y-f22) ahh no one will ever beat th u.s.


Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 5:17am
The thing is, we have them all... you can't just boot one. Imagine how many soldiers we would lose on a transfer from one service to another?


Posted By: S\/\/4T-L()G4N
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 7:07am
Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:

I think the Air Force and the Navy Can Combine into Each other.


Also I think the Marines could be a Special Branch in the Army that you can join, kinda like Rangers and special Forces...



Correct me if I am wrong.

Air force is all home land, navy is mostly over seas. I don't get what combining would do. They are both necessary.

Originally posted by dye prs dye prs wrote:

ok for real none. wth . every one who posted none i hope u dont live in my country(usa) thsi is the planet earth. WE FIGHT AND KILL AS HUMANS (with the capps ) if we didnt have any we woudl be taken over so fastly. ugh u ppl dont even count as real humans just go away. i really want to beat the POOP out of u guys who said none. just do urself a  something good and kill ur self.  or at least stop being stupid. hfc.         &n bsp;     ~Seth~


You totally missed the whole point of none. The vote is which branch can we do without...none meaning we need them all...

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Posted By: dye prs
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 7:20am
Originally posted by S\/\/4T-L()G4N S\/\/4T-L()G4N wrote:

Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:

I think the Air Force and the Navy Can Combine into Each other.


Also I think the Marines could be a Special Branch in the Army that you can join, kinda like Rangers and special Forces...



Correct me if I am wrong.

Air force is all home land, navy is mostly over seas. I don't get what combining would do. They are both necessary.

Originally posted by dye prs dye prs wrote:

ok for real none. wth . every one who posted none i hope u dont live in my country(usa) thsi is the planet earth. WE FIGHT AND KILL AS HUMANS (with the capps ) if we didnt have any we woudl be taken over so fastly. ugh u ppl dont even count as real humans just go away. i really want to beat the POOP out of u guys who said none. just do urself a  something good and kill ur self.  or at least stop being stupid. hfc.         &a mp;n bsp;     ~Seth~


You totally missed the whole point of none. The vote is which branch can we do without...none meaning we need them all...


0o0o ok. but hey if it ment none as in we dont need anything i would of been so rite lol ^______^


Posted By: pballa123
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 8:06am
the air force recieves more funding because they need more funding... it costs a lot more to design a nice new aircraft than to a design a spiffy new gun. not to mention all the other classified research and development the air force does. We should keep them all and we will. although, the marines and army are very similar(at least it seems) im sure an expert can point out some vital differnces. anyhow, as koolit said we have them all, so whether they should or should not be they are staying. all of them.


Posted By: roadrunner0535
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 8:14am
no doubt, we need all of them,  we have land, air and sea...and then all the special 1's for the better warriors or stealtheir* warriors

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Posted By: MSG.Mobius
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 8:14am

Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

If you noticed i didnt put Marines on that list, because either in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution (i forgot) it says something about the Marines always being in the US Military. So which Special Force do you think we dont need as much as the others? Also remember this, the Air Force recieves more funding than all the other Armed Forces' combined...


EDIT. This isnt a favorite, least favorite thing, its which you think we no longer require.

1. Special Forces is a small group of elite soldiers, Delta Force, Navy S.E.A.L.s etc.

2. I think Jet Planes and Jet Plane recearch requiers a little more money.

And BTW removing an Armed Forces, thats pretty retarded. Havn't you heard of Air, Land and Sea? So we need atleast those, about Marines and Army, well Army I read was a harder task. The Marines are a combination of all that, they almost act by themselves in conflicts.

I don't think either should be removed, if your upset about funding, then make a poll "Should the Armed Forces funding be decreased"



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Posted By: cadet_sergeant
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 8:22am
the Airforce came form the Army in the mid 1900's (theres a cadence about it they sing @ westpoint) the Marines are still a deparment of the Navy, and the Army has be around since 1775. i say they need to stick to what there main purpuse is, Army = ground pounders, Airforce = flying, Navy = sea defence. the only exception to this should be the SEALS. (BTW seals have a 10.9 billion dollar budget but thats from 1995 when my uncle retired [capt. 0-6], its probley more now)


Posted By: S\/\/4T-L()G4N
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 9:17am
Forgetting something important again.

You guys say that the air force has the most money because they are designing jet aircraft.

Look at the navy.

A) Think about the money that goes into building, planning, maintaining, and fueling ships. On top of that aircraft carriers.

B) The navy has the largest number of aircraft. More then the airforce. Your chances of becoming a navy pilot are a lot better than your chances of becoming a airforce pilot.

Doesn't the airforce fund NASA? I think that is where a lot of the money goes.

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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 9:34am
Marines as part of the Army... That's a laugh.

Come back when you have some clue what you're talking about. There's no useful purpose in discussing this now.

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Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 9:43am
Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

I think each is a necessity to the country
i agree. the more people we have the stronger we are. that's just common sense. we have the strongest armed forces in the world because of all this. (and because some other countries arent as rich as us). our country dominates at war if we have to. so if you ask me if we take one away then another then another we get weaker. i think we need all of our forces.


Posted By: tgaffner
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 9:51am

Well, when you live in the richest, most powerful country in the world, there are going to be others that dont like you. Also, terrorism is pretty much global.

So, I think we should keep all of them.



Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 9:53am
Originally posted by SandMan SandMan wrote:

Marines as part of the Army... That's a laugh.

Come back when you have some clue what you're talking about. There's no useful purpose in discussing this now.


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Posted By: TippmannBro
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 10:31am

We need them all:

Army- main occupation and fighting force, the ones who really accomplish the mission.

Air Force- no one will ever win a war without an Air Force. Why send in soldiers when you can just bomb them into submission. The Air Force is also a major defensive asset. They are the ones working on a ballistic missle shield (someone start a thread on that).

Navy- the aircraft carriers allow us to project airpower anywhere in the world. Kinda like an Air Force on wheels (or water). The Navy also controls the nuclear ballistic missle subs, and that is the biggest deterrent to a nuclear attack we have. We could destroy the world several times over just with those subs. No one will attack us because they know that if they do, they are going to get their arse kicked...

The Marines are part of the Navy, and they kick butt...

What we need is a better intelligence/counterterrorism unit. That would help in the war on terrorism. Maybe Ive been reading a little too many Tom Clancy novels...



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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 10:44am
When i started this thread i didnt mean to offend anybody. Also on my first post i said special forces' once and i ment armed forces'. I think if we got rid of one of the branches, we could start doing more research in NASA. Such as missles that can be fired in zero gravity and destroy sattelites and such. If anybody of you read Matt Reily you'll have an idea on what Im talking about. The two books that helped me come up with this thread were Area 7, and Temple.

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Posted By: †Sniper†
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 10:51am
Hell, we could just do away with all our guns and just point a nuke at every 50 miles of earth...

oh wait...


Posted By: sort
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 6:45pm

Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

the Airforce came form the Army in the mid 1900's

Well, the Army could always re-absorb the Air Force, and become the Army Air Corp again...or the USAAF (United States Army Air Force)



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Posted By: Bass654321
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 7:09pm
It's actually only 3. The Marine Corps is a branch of the Navy but before anyone says that we don't need the marines, we do. The Marines are the Frontline. They are the first ones to go to battle and most likely the last ones to come back. And if I'm not mistaken, the Air Force was once a branch of the Army. But we need all 4.

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 7:37pm
We wouldnt get rid of the marines anyways..the government couldnt.

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Posted By: VolrathDaFallen
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 7:38pm

Originally posted by Bass654321 Bass654321 wrote:

It's actually only 3. The Marine Corps is a branch of the Navy but before anyone says that we don't need the marines, we do. The Marines are the Frontline. They are the first ones to go to battle and most likely the last ones to come back. And if I'm not mistaken, the Air Force was once a branch of the Army. But we need all 4.

lol the first ones  hummm how about the RANGERS



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Posted By: MSG.Mobius
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by VolrathDaFallen VolrathDaFallen wrote:

Originally posted by Bass654321 Bass654321 wrote:

It's actually only 3. The Marine Corps is a branch of the Navy but before anyone says that we don't need the marines, we do. The Marines are the Frontline. They are the first ones to go to battle and most likely the last ones to come back. And if I'm not mistaken, the Air Force was once a branch of the Army. But we need all 4.

lol the first ones  hummm how about the RANGERS

First ones on the Frontline? Heck no.

They are one of the "Elite Groups" of the Army, not the best, but defintly not first ones to go in.



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Posted By: PB Commie
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 8:04pm

Originally posted by Bass654321 Bass654321 wrote:

It's actually only 3. The Marine Corps is a branch of the Navy

Not quite.  While this may be true, there are indeed four branches of the Armed Forces.  The Coast Guard is considered a seperate and official branch.



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Posted By: SlipKnoTpb
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by chs61224 chs61224 wrote:

Originally posted by SlipKnoTpb SlipKnoTpb wrote:



*e: if china and russia teamed up they wouldnt last very long. everyone knows communism doesnt work. havent you seen Enemy at the Gates?


Russia isn't a communist state it is a federation, and don't cite movies when commenting on anything political.

And another thing how does Enemy at the Gates show Communism doesn't work? I thought it just reaffirmed that Stalin killed millions of his own citizens.
the enemy at the gates part was sarcastic. the guy writing the stories about vassilli in the movie talks about how communism wont work because there is always something to envy... its towards the end.

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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 9:52pm
I suggest we eliminate the salvation army, or the radical peace corps, neither are going to win any wars .


Posted By: cadet_sergeant
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 10:08pm
since desert storm the Seals have been the first ones in war, but who goes into war first isnt that important, things still have to get done and i know the air force couldnt do all of it, and neither could any other branch. coastguard is a waste they'll never go to war.


Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 10:28pm
Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

since desert storm the Seals have been the first ones in war, but who goes into war first isnt that important, things still have to get done and i know the air force couldnt do all of it, and neither could any other branch. coastguard is a waste they'll never go to war.


There is more to national security than going to war.


Posted By: SlipKnoTpb
Date Posted: 24 August 2004 at 10:31pm
Originally posted by Shub Shub wrote:

Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

since desert storm the Seals have been the first ones in war, but who goes into war first isnt that important, things still have to get done and i know the air force couldnt do all of it, and neither could any other branch. coastguard is a waste they'll never go to war.


There is more to national security than going to war.
just what i was thinking

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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 12:41am

Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

since desert storm the Seals have been the first ones in war, but who goes into war first isnt that important, things still have to get done and i know the air force couldnt do all of it, and neither could any other branch. coastguard is a waste they'll never go to war.

You don't really know what you are talking about, now do you?

You know that wonderful thing that we call the War on drugs? Guess who's leading that? Guess who's doing majority of the work in this on going conflict... Guess who shoots up the 80 foot scarab go fasts zooming around the gulf of mexico that are just waiting for an opening to an unprotected port, so they can unload 3 tons of cocaine.... Guess who rescues stranded boats during storms? Guess who rescues injured divers and swimmers in horrible weather conditions?

That's right, the coast guard...

The Navy SEALs, Army DELTA Force, and Army Special Forces are also doing a hell of a lot on the drug war, but the coast guard is doing most of the work down there, south of the border (and along the coasts, also).

Do me a favor: until you know what the hell you're talking about, keep your mouth shut.

 

One more thing: the Coast Guard protects thousands of miles of unportected coast lines. But yet, they get less credit than the ungoldy fat, balding, man at the air line check points who's only purpose in life is to hassle you and un pack, then horribly repack your luggage.

People, the next terrorist attack probibly wont come from a civilian airliner. IT's going to come from one of our thousands of miles of unportected coast line, or one of our ports. Either that, or a privately owned air craft, like a private jet, helicopter, or crop duster. (may i remind you that the fred T. Morah building in oklahoma was taken down with a fertilizer bomb... crop dusters are filled with tanks of fertilizer... yeah...)

This whole over protecting civilan airliners is giving us a false sense of security... and it's costing billions of dollars in wasted money... Seriously, people, our shoes really dont need to be checked before we walk onto an airliner... a metal detector (hell, maybe several, like a stationary one at the entrance, and a few guys on the inside with those portable ones), an x-ray machine for baggage, and an explosive and drug detecting dog, and we'll be fine... we can save billions of dollars just by using common sense...

Ahhh, screw it, I'm just wasting my time...



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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 1:13am
Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

I think each is a necessity to the country


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Posted By: 98God
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 2:31am
we need them all...


Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 7:25am

oh dummies. The Marines are a part of the Navy. They just don't like to admit it and like to act seperate. The Marines and the Army don't do the same thing the Marines are the ones who go in first and the Army is who comes in after the Marines and keeps hold of the situation.

All the Armed forces are necessary because they all have a separate job.



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