^ what he said

^ pure stock no... But with a Eblade it is...

Look inot a Superstock or a B2k4 w/ PDS those will probably be your best Bet.

autocockers can be pretty good with some ups

PROCARBINEϗ wrote: So why are 500 dollar guns suddenly pieces of junk ? And why is it necessary to have a 1000 + dollar guns in order to even be a opponent, that is assuming your still saying its not the gun its the player.

Im not saying you HAVE TO! go and get a 1000 dollar gun a $500 or $600 gun like a B2k, or less expensive Timmy can be just as good as a $1000 gun. As I said before its the player that makes the star not the gun. If my rookie team using $1,600 Angels went against Dynasty using pumps Dynasty would still kill us.

ya,  i mean, ive gotting ppl out with cockers, impys, trix, timmy's, and i used my good old 98c, its neva failed me, its the player not the gun

and smart parts well there doing some bad stuff and there guns are the best of quailty

Wow...so much angst.  Everybody's so angry and it's such a waste of time.

What's the best tournament marker?  The one that works best for you.  When I was playing tourney games, I simply asked people, as long as I paid for the paint, if I could try out their markers.  Some people were cool about it, others weren't.  In the long run I ended up going with an autococker with e-blade because that's what was the most comfortable for me.  In fact, while at the field, a guy with an Intimidator asked if he could try out mine...so we switched and both went through a hopper's worth of paint.  Neither one of used the other's marker too well, but when we switched back we both were laying streams with no problem.

It all depends on the person.  I think if everyone could learn that then there would be far fewer of these ridiculous posts.

ImpyKing2 wrote: No but I did take the time to figure that Budd Hore is a moron and his Guns are a plain o'l POS.

Now you are calling the real inventor of the autococker a moron, and glenn palmer is no where near a moron. While you may not like his guns, and i can respect that(but not you...newb), but you have no right to call the creator of a greatly complicated machine a moron, because you can barely use a different word than newb as an insult. So, once you create a marker that will continue to be produced 10 years after the initial production, you can call gleen palmer a moron, and i will respect your thoughts(but again, not you).

And guess what, the impulse needs the same amount of upgrades as the occker, yet for as long as you have been on here(until recently), you have been defending the impulse non stop. Care to explain what makes the impulse and cocker different? Care to explain why you thought that? Well...? you gonna respond with a flame like usual or are you gonna be civilized and not spew useless opinions?

Gatyr wrote: Now you are calling the real inventor of the autococker a moron, and glenn palmer is no where near a moron. While you may not like his guns, and i can respect that(but not you...newb), but you have no right to call the creator of a greatly complicated machine a moron, because you can barely use a different word than newb as an insult. So, once you create a marker that will continue to be produced 10 years after the initial production, you can call gleen palmer a moron, and i will respect your thoughts(but again, not you). And guess what, the impulse needs the same amount of upgrades as the occker, yet for as long as you have been on here(until recently), you have been defending the impulse non stop. Care to explain what makes the impulse and cocker different? Care to explain why you thought that? Well...? you gonna respond with a flame like usual or are you gonna be civilized and not spew useless opinions?

Well then IMO both Budd Hore and Glen Plamer are both morons and as for being a newb...well that Im not. You say that I am the one that uses newb as the only insult, pff how dumb; you used it twice in the same paragraph and its the only "insult" you seem to know how to spew out. Yes it is a very complicated machine and maybe thats why its an unrelaible POS.

As for the Impy needing as many upgrades as the Autocrapper well thats false. I put alot of money into my Impy BUT talk to seawolf and A-5Bunkerking, They both put more money into thier cockers to make them half decent then I did to my Impy. Lets see what makes the Autocrapper and Impy different. Well both are cheap quality poop BUT the Impy is faster and more relaible and will last awhile, the crapper on the other hand will break down, chop paint and cause trouble from day one. Also the Impy doesn't randomly leak air blow O-rings unlike the Crapper which blew a cup seal and leaked air the first time I used it. I would use nither the Autocrapper or the Impy BUT if I had to take one of them I would use the Impy over the Autocrapper any day of the week.

HAHAH I like how you say I'm the one to throw insults when your throwing a temper tantrum and calling me stupid and a moron. You need a diper with all that name calling I think you do. Consistant reg and LPR are you kidding me! If you consider something that leaks all the time and has problems as good you need to get your head examined.

Hmm I wonder why people call Budd Orr a Horre..maybe because hes a moron that knows nothing about paintball. As for him caring bla bla bla I could care less. If I ever saw him in person I would tell him what I thought of him and his  guns. As for not givnig evidence where have you been I've said it over and over again, learn to read. Can you read or did you drop ou of first grade. I'll say it again as I said before, AUTOCRAPPERS are bad because 1) a stock mechanical cocker is extreamly slow and can't keep up with electro guns 2) they're a huge hassle. Everything has to be JUST PERFECT or the gun will go poop. 3) Quality control problems. If the thing isn't chopping paint or breaking down its blowing cup seals and leaking air out of the 3way the one you claim is so great. 4) Not that this is a huge thing but the Crapper is very heavy.  5) Timing and the back block. Both of these are a huge pain. Its a pain to time the thing and make sure everything is perfect. 6) The cocker is a POS and from what I've seen it always needs to be fixed. 7) short stroking. Its a pain to have to make sure you pull and realse the trigger all the way when you can get an electro gun where you don't have to worry at all. Now tell me why would you go through all that hassle and get a POS like that when you can get a fast, light, more reliable electro gun. I don't listen to these cocker people for alot of reasons. Cocker people won't admit they bought trash. I was one of those people and until I got to shoot an electro gun i realized just how bad the Autocrapper was. AS for no one else having problems with there cocker pff I would like to see that. I have yet to see a cocker that 1) isn't chopping paint 2) leaking air 3) being fixed. Also I would take an Impy over a cocker for alot of reasons. To start with the Impy is faster and more reliable. Compared to my old POS cocker the Impy was alot better and it was a huge improvement.

A-5 and SeaWolf didn't have to replace thier cockers yet because they put over 1 thousand dollars inot them. With that money they coul have gotten a much better electro gun.

Your last sentece cracks me up because of its stupidity. Shorter trigger pull..BUZZ WRONG. The Impy with stock blade trigger is alot faster. Lower maintence sure...I guess if you call working an timing a guns for 3 hours not alot of work.

ImpyKing2 wrote: HAHAH I like how you say I'm the one to throw insults when your throwing a temper tantrum and calling me stupid and a moron. You need a diper with all that name calling I think you do.

I was only doing to show you what you do. Do you see me calling anyone else names like i just did you? Nope. And if i do, its out of fun and good will, not becaue i really think that. You, on the other hand, do it habitually.

Consistant reg and LPR are you kidding me! If you consider something that leaks all the time and has problems as good you need to get your head examined.

I dont even know what to say to this. If you think i am talking about the cocker LPR and reg that come stock, you're wrong. If you think that Glenn's reg and LPR suck, you're more wrong. Ask anyone on the forum that has used one, the palmer stabilizer rocks more than anything dye could ever make. As for the micro rock LPR, its considered by many cocker owners to be one of the best LPRs for the cocker. Im seriously stunned stupidity is so rampant with you.

Hmm I wonder why people call Budd Orr a Horre..maybe because hes a moron that knows nothing about paintball. As for him caring bla bla bla I could care less. If I ever saw him in person I would tell him what I thought of him and his  guns.

You see, you're calling someone a moron out of habit right there. Can a moron keep a buisness in buisness for as long as he has? And if you dont care wether or not he cares if you are calling him a moron, why are you doing it, other than to prove your ignorance? Are you trying to offend any of us with those statements?

As for not givnig evidence where have you been I've said it over and over again, learn to read. Can you read or did you drop ou of first grade.

oh noes!! he insulted mah pride. ahhhhhhh!!!1.Seriously though, why did you need to add in "can you read or did you fail the first grade", because you just spelled you without the y. And if you wanna try and go into eachothers personal faults, let me know, because you have plenty, and i would have no problem winning that argument.

I'll say it again as I said before, AUTOCRAPPERS are bad because 1) a stock mechanical cocker is extreamly slow and can't keep up with electro guns 2) they're a huge hassle. Everything has to be JUST PERFECT or the gun will go poop. 3) Quality control problems. If the thing isn't chopping paint or breaking down its blowing cup seals and leaking air out of the 3way the one you claim is so great. 4) Not that this is a huge thing but the Crapper is very heavy.  5) Timing and the back block. Both of these are a huge pain. Its a pain to time the thing and make sure everything is perfect. 6) The cocker is a POS and from what I've seen it always needs to be fixed. 7) short stroking. Its a pain to have to make sure you pull and realse the trigger all the way when you can get an electro gun where you don't have to worry at all.

1)because speed is the onlything that matters, right? Put a good player behing a stock autococker, and you behind anything, the good player will always win. 2) its really not that hard to get everything just right. set the reg to the proper pressure, set the LPR to the proper pressure, and time it(which doesnt take more than a minute if you know what you are doing). 3) I can make things up about your matrix to....if the matrix isnt blowing o-rings or using up to much lube or its reg breaking down, its firing inconsintently or choping. See, its not hard to lie, i can do it just like you just did. Now, i have seen more angels blow cup seals than a cocker chop ay my field, and the team that owns the field is sponsored by WGP, so there are plenty of cokers. My impulse leaked more than any cocker at anywhere i have gone to play, and my impulse didnt alot, but it did leak. Once again, my impulse chopped paint more than any cocker i have seen, but it would be hard for any tihng to top my ipmulse, because it was easily every 15 balls would chop. An i dont remember ever saying i loved the 3-way. Show me where i said that so i can at least see where you got that misconception from. 4) So if it isnt a big deal, why do you mention it? 5) Like i say, timing isnt that hard if you know what to do, you obviously dont, so quit talking about it. 6) Why are you stating your opinions? I dont like the matrix, but i dont say they are a POS any time they are mentioned. 7) get an e-blade, or learn to shoot it right. it might not be the fastest, but speed isnt the most important thing there is.

I don't listen to these cocker people for alot of reasons. Cocker people won't admit they bought trash. I was one of those people and until I got to shoot an electro gun i realized just how bad the Autocrapper was

And then one you got your electro, you were just as blind right? You seem to only really like what you buy, which means you buy into hype.

AS for no one else having problems with there cocker pff I would like to see that. I have yet to see a cocker that 1) isn't chopping paint 2) leaking air 3) being fixed.

I have yet to see any that were broken down at the field, except for the little kids who might not have know what thy were doing.

Also I would take an Impy over a cocker for alot of reasons. To start with the Impy is faster and more reliable. Compared to my old POS cocker the Impy was alot better and it was a huge improvement.

your experiences and opinions, not mine. but i would rather have a bone stock cocker than any impulse because i know how crappy the impulse is, and the autocoker doesnt require as much fixing as my impy did.

A-5 and SeaWolf didn't have to replace thier cockers yet because they put over 1 thousand dollars inot them. With that money they coul have gotten a much better electro gun.

I'd like to see seawols and a-5 bunkerkings input on this, and weather or not they feel they would rather have goten an electro.

Your last sentece cracks me up because of its stupidity. Shorter trigger pull..BUZZ WRONG. The Impy with stock blade trigger is alot faster. Lower maintence sure...I guess if you call working an timing a guns for 3 hours not alot of work.

The e-blace does have a shorter, and lighter trigger pull, and if it really took you that long to do a 30 second job, i laugh at you.

And nice sig. I happen to really know Palmer, along with my dad, and ym dad thinks its funny you think his products are a POS. BTW, Palmer is very smart, and any converstion with him is very inteligent, if you arent jokinf aorund with him.

you say i buy into hype thats the most BS I have ever heard. The diiference is you made up that stuff about the Matrix but I didn't make uo that stuff about the cocker. Angles break down alot too so whats your point, wait there is no point to that. Cockers break down constintaly and are overall one of the worst paintball guns on the market. As for buying into hype because whatever I buy is "the best" well your wrong there as I have said alot before I like and say that the Matrix, DM4, Timmy, and even the B2k are all great guns and I only own one of those guns listed.

Shut up Waterhose the Cowboys stink they have nothing left. Everyone knows that thier going to be bad this year and they're lucky if they even make it to the playoffs. The Eagles are going to walk all over them.

Whats a dumby...it must be so little kids word or something.

j2duhr wrote: Where do I sign to get ImpyKing2 Banned, like IP Banned? For just being not smart and giving out super biased information of a dumby.

I'd sign it, not only because he is ignorant, and gives out biased info like you said, but because he refuses to take in any good information on anything, and repeatedly wont shut up about autocockers, even tohug he is the only one who thinks that, has been proven worng many times before, and wron aknowledge that he was pwned, then flames whoever said that.

tyranny wrote: well impys are fine if u know how to take care of and fix it same with cockers i just happen to really dislike cockers cuz genreally i don't liek the kind of person that buys a cocker but thats jsut my opinion but if u do buy an impy save yourself a lot of trouble and buy a rat jr or rat and i would tlak about how much i dislike cocers too but i owuld get flamed by pretty much everyone on hte forum

That not true, as long as you stated real facts or opinions as opinions, you wouldnt get flamed. But if you do what impyking does and flame and lie, then you will get flamed.

Dont think you will get flamed fr what you think, think you will get flamed if you act like impyking.

ImpyKing2 wrote: you say i buy into hype thats the most BS I have ever heard. The diiference is you made up that stuff about the Matrix but I didn't make uo that stuff about the cocker. Angles break down alot too so whats your point, wait there is no point to that. Cockers break down constintaly and are overall one of the worst paintball guns on the market. As for buying into hype because whatever I buy is "the best" well your wrong there as I have said alot before I like and say that the Matrix, DM4, Timmy, and even the B2k are all great guns and I only own one of those guns listed.

MY angel hasnt broken yet niether has the angels that my 2 other friends use so dont go dissing angels or cockers

I know he was banned but i want to get it on it