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Topic: a-5/98c owners of both. please give your
Posted By: mindgame
Subject: a-5/98c owners of both. please give your
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 3:14pm

ok - the best to answer this would prob be people with 98c and a-5's

do you guys think the a-5 is more problematic and has more side effects then the 98c -

im assuming if so it would probaly pertain more to teh cyclone hopper if anything..- its nice having what seems to be a decent-good hopper already with it but what i dont like is its teh only hopper available for the a-5 -

i was advised it may break easier as it has more parts..but do you think a 98c with an electronic hopper would be better comparing it yo your usage of the a-5 and cyclone - or would a electronic hopper be just as sensitive..i dont know..ithinking electronic..running around the woods..generally dont sound like they mix..but thats why im asking..

 

any other side effects that you can think of or have experianced -

as far as the physical marker goes it seems to be the same mechanics as the 98c - only other downside is it from waht i heard it uses more air as the air powers the hopper i beleive..please correct me if i am wrong..

i dont know much about the hopper - tippmann doesent have a replacement price on the site if needed -

 

 

imcurrently more into woodsball and scenerio playing so id be crawling around alot..

 




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Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 3:28pm

well having been closely related to 98c's for a long time (meh best friend has had one for 2 years and meh brother has one now)  and i own an A-5 i will tell you very confidantly that the A-5 has no more problems than the 98c with the exception of i have heard of the cyclone feed messing up after being hit well Tippmann will replace it and you better believe its worth having it anyway and i would definately suggest the A-5 over the 98c   not that i think you could go wrong either way but its EXTREMELY hard to out shoot the cyclone feeder even with the E-grip   I also think that the cyclone feeder is a better deal than an e-hopper bc it is cheaper and considering you play woodsball (thas what i play) i doubt seriously that you need to invest the money to get you maker shooting faster than 15-18 bps    hope that helps   welcome to da forum

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Posted By: †Sniper†
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 3:39pm
My A-5 has never had any problems. Neither did my 98c.




Posted By: ncbbh88
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 3:54pm

98 and a-5 are amazing guns   i have an a-5 and have beat the heck outa it never had a problem with it never a prob with the cyclone it actually cant jam up or break balls in it its impossible unless you advance it manually and tippmann will back up the gun with their waranty and the option to buy  any part you need

 



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Posted By: chopper08
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 4:18pm
I have never had a prob. with my a5 i,v droped it hit trees with it(it hit it right on the cyclone) and it keeps shooting. i have never had a prob with the cyclone ether. it is a very strong gun very well put together too

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Posted By: Benjichang
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 4:34pm
They're pretty much the same.

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Posted By: rave5910
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

They're pretty much the same.


youre silly, the only realy similarity in the 2 are they have similar internals, and i didnt say the same i said similar, so if your goin to say that 98c's and a-5's are the same because they have similar internals then people are wasting their money buying high end electros (they most of the time are though so this isnt that great of an example) and start buying low end spyder electros because they're all the same right?




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Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 5:12pm
well my buddy (ethan hunt for those who know him).   on his a-5, the ratchet system that turns the cyclone broke, its made of cheap plastic, I know of a few others who have had problems. Iam a 98 custom guy. the only reason i like the a-5 is because there are no outside moving parts, other than that, the 98 in my pinion is the better choice.

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Posted By: chronzak
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 6:00pm
The A-5 is better. It cycles better, its tougher i think.  I think its smaller and lighter too, i may be wrong.  I have never had a problem with the cyclone feed.  My barrel adapter shot out of my gun, and my front grip wobbled loose and fell out,and the RT i put on it doesnt work.  Ive had a few problems with it but i still think its good


Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 6:13pm

Hmm , sounds like Chroznak is making a good arguement for getting a 98C . LOL

I've had my 98C for just about 5 months now, and put roughly 30,000 rounds thru it , only problem I have encountered to date , was I wore out the CVX valve . I bought a new one , and will rebuild (replace the O-rings and seal cup ) the old one and have a spare , Need I say more ? Keep it clean and oiled, will last a long time , that goes for either marker .

My preference ?? K.I.S.S. ," Keep It Simple , Stupid !!" the fewer parts ,(electronic and mechanical ) the less there is to mess up on you . The 98C is a slightly less complex marker than the A5 , but both are good , durable guns .



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Posted By: rave5910
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 6:39pm
actually i find the a-5 much easier to work with than the 98c, after using my a-5 for a while then using my dads 98c i feel like

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ST grip adapter
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Posted By: monster- baller
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 8:03pm
the durability isn't anything to worry about if its a tippmann gun, there like diamonds. i would get the A-5, its tippmans newest marker, in about a year and a half tippmann will come out with a new gun that will make the a-5 look like the sl-68( thats one of tippmanns old pump guns) and teh 98c will be obsolite and you won't be able to find upgrades as easily as you can now

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Posted By: mindgame
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 8:33pm

ok  - thank you for the opinions guys -

for the most part i wasent concerned with the marker itself  - all of tippmanns guns seem to be built like tanks..

i just want to make sure the cyclone will not be a major problem as its not like i can just drop a gravity marker on it as a backup if the cyclone drops out..

i have heard the cyclone is made with plastic parts (which seems dumb being the rest of the gun is usualyl metal) but i also see they are making upgrades and what not -

(how do you find out about the upgrades as they come out with them anyway)



Posted By: ncbbh88
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 8:44pm

Originally posted by Sarge14 Sarge14 wrote:

well my buddy (ethan hunt for those who know him).   on his a-5, the ratchet system that turns the cyclone broke, its made of cheap plastic, I know of a few others who have had problems. Iam a 98 custom guy. the only reason i like the a-5 is because there are no outside moving parts, other than that, the 98 in my pinion is the better choice.

 

how the heck did he do that

ive beat on mine and nothing has broken ive even taken the cyclone apart b4 and put it together again worked fine and all the people i know that have A-5's have never had a prob     where as 98 owners have completley broken off hoppers and feed systmms because of the way the 98 is built and uses standard hoppers        the A-5 is the most durable gun out there



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Posted By: monster- baller
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 8:45pm
i haven't hearsd they were making upgrades for the cyclone feed system!! SWEET!!!

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Posted By: cap-ss
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 9:42pm

I love my A-5! I dont think i will ever get rid of it. For real though i have had it for like a year and have never ever had a problem.



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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 9:46pm
I wish I had an A5 so I can brag about it too but, I still have my trusty 98c, it hasnt failed me at all.

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Posted By: DrunkDriver
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 10:19pm
midgame i hope you figured out which one you want, i still stand behind the 98c all the way.

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Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 10:53pm

the only thing i dont like about the custom is that stuppid spring that lock the hopper elbow thingy

 



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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 11:13pm
The removable 98c elbow feeder is one of kind, you cant find one on any of the markers on the market....the only thing I hate thats on a 98c is that annoying non removable foregrip....

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Posted By: Stewie
Date Posted: 25 August 2004 at 11:37pm

I have never owned an a-5 but looking at the problems my team has had with them I never will you everyone on my team has had there cyclone break 3 of the 4 have had them break multiple times/ jeep had his break alot like almost everytime playing with it that is the reason that they tried and did vert feed them is because they hated the cyclone, and as far as an electronic hopper in the woods its not biggy I have used several different hoppers richo 2k, evo2 z boarded, halo, none of them have problems in woods or in the any other feild sure they get scratched but so will the cyclone and people get worried about water sometimes my hoppers have all been played with in water and as nothing has ever gone wrong/i have never submerged them for long periods of time though so I would say go 98 custom and electronic hopper another plus is you can transfer that hopper to any other gun you want in the future if you move to different guns



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Posted By: ncbbh88
Date Posted: 26 August 2004 at 5:06am

i would still like to know how they broke the cyclone feed i didnt think it was possible mines never failed me



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Posted By: fdupnct
Date Posted: 26 August 2004 at 11:50am
I have an A-5 and I'm accident prone. I fall or trip just about everytime I play.  I couldn't tell you how many times my A-5 has gone airborne in the woods, its hit stumps, trees, rocks.  I've never had a problem with it.  Actually thats not true, the only time I've has a problem with it was when I manually feed the Cyclone, it chopped a ball.  Now I preload the feeder before I put the hopper on and I haven't had a problem since.

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Posted By: †Sniper†
Date Posted: 26 August 2004 at 11:56am
Originally posted by Stewie Stewie wrote:

I have never owned an a-5 but looking at the problems my team has had with them I never will you everyone on my team has had there cyclone break 3 of the 4 have had them break multiple times/ jeep had his break alot like almost everytime playing with it that is the reason that they tried and did vert feed them is because they hated the cyclone, and as far as an electronic hopper in the woods its not biggy I have used several different hoppers richo 2k, evo2 z boarded, halo, none of them have problems in woods or in the any other feild sure they get scratched but so will the cyclone and people get worried about water sometimes my hoppers have all been played with in water and as nothing has ever gone wrong/i have never submerged them for long periods of time though so I would say go 98 custom and electronic hopper another plus is you can transfer that hopper to any other gun you want in the future if you move to different guns



weird dude...my A-5 has never had a single problem...


Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 26 August 2004 at 2:44pm
The A5 and M98C are basically the same internally, with the exception that the A5's rear bolt(hammer) is heavier than the M98C's.

The A5 also has that cocking handle for built-in enclosed cocking, but that doesn't realy change any of the internal workings.

I own both, bought my M98C first and love it to death, but the A5 is just as reliable and has a lot of little perks that either cost extra money to the M98C owner or or just plain not available for the M98C.

To make it simple, I think the Cyclone alone is worth the price difference


Posted By: rave5910
Date Posted: 26 August 2004 at 4:00pm
The power tube is different also, you dont have to worry about those little screws that hold the 98c power tube in place if you have an a-5

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Posted By: The Ho
Date Posted: 27 August 2004 at 12:46am
i love my 98 and will use it till it dies, and then rebuild it and use it again. but i would get a a5 also if i had the money.

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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 31 August 2004 at 9:09am
Yes, Rave is right. The A5 powertube does not have any screw except the one that controls the velocity.

The velocity screw is also on the right side of the A5's receiver while the M98C's is on the left side.


Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 31 August 2004 at 1:55pm
Try looking around where I roam- the maintenance and repair forum.
The 98C has a big problem with valve bolts- this causes lots of problems and is over looked by those not familiar with it. It is heavier, and does seem to have more problems.
The cyclone is something I'm familiar with- yes, it does break. No, it's not cheap plastic (unless you didn't get the UPDATE, not UPGRADE). It has a soft plastic ratchet which can wear down from use. I've broken two in a three month period- until i found out i had to oil it as regular maintenance. Other than this, the A-5 is a much better gun. Many people who have used 98C's for 3 years don't like it because it's new, and its not THEIR gun. Trust me, the A-5 is nowhere near complicated. I believe the 98C is more complex.

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Posted By: rave5910
Date Posted: 31 August 2004 at 4:30pm
Originally posted by LordJovian LordJovian wrote:

I believe the 98C is more complex.


me to, the a-5 is almost stupid simple to use, and i think ive said this before but almost all of the a-5 upgrades can be installed without taking the reciever halves apart, the only one that requires it is the flatline, but with the 98c its quite the opposite, almost all 98c upgrades require the reciever halves to be taken apart except for the flatline, hopper, and front grip.
now dont get me wrong, i still think the 98 is an amazing gun and im not denying the fact that the 98c can obtain a higher rof than the a-5 with current upgrades but we also have to remember that the 98 has a few years of a headstart on the a-5 and probably sometime not too far from now an e-bolt will start being manufactured for the a-5, it really wouldnt be that hard, to make one so its probably just going to take time and someone who wants to make stuff, but for now i think 15bps is a perfectly fine cap (thats exactly what it is for the e-grip... a cap) for a gun that will be widely used by beginners and woodsballers


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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 5:11pm
One of the big knocks I hear against the A5 is how heavy and long it is, but it's only like an inch longer than a M98C and weighs like a half pound more stock.

But when you figure that most people are gonna put a motorized hopper on their M98C, that's gonna take up that initial weight difference right there.

If anything, when both guns are set up to shoot fast, the A5 will be lighter becausse it doesn't have the added weight of an electic loader+batteries.

Just something to think about.


*Edit* Forgot to say, IME, when comparing stock A5 to stock M98C, the A5 actually FEELS shorter and lighter than the M98C due to its better balance.


Posted By: VTpaintballer
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 6:17pm
Tippmann has made a number of great selling guns... they only have about 6 guns made but there guns last and have a great life span on them.... All the guns are the same but the tecnology is advancing and growing but tippmann's quality of thier guns will never fail... unless the new owners screw everything up :)


Posted By: Morbid_angel
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 6:33pm

I love my A-5 more than my 98c i had a 98c for the longest time then i saved up and bought a A-5 and it's so much better i loved my 98c but prefer my A-5 it's easier to clean too...



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Posted By: ace38824
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 7:44pm
there are trade offs for both the a-5 and 98c the cyclone feed system does sometimes brake balls on a quite frequent bases if you dont take the time to get al the little rocks and dirt out of it. But on the other hand electro hoppers dont get dirt in them but if you are playing a days worth of games or a senerio game it can run out of battery so in my expiernace they are equal trade offs it just up to u to dicide wich one you like best.


Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 8:34pm
I love the A-5. My brother owns a 98C and considering hes only 10 I have to do most of the repair/matenence(i know i spelled that wrong).

I have never had ANY problems with my A-5. The cyclone feed works like a dream. Shooting faster than I ever thought possible. The only thing abut it is if your running low on c02/HPA then the cyclone wont turn. Then you have the best pump marker on the planet!

The 98 Custom is a great gun also. Its very easy to get at the internals if you ever need to change an o-ring or something. Also when shooting the 98C it just feels so much more powerful than the A-5. Its just got something to it that I like.

Overall I like the A-5 better. The cyclone feed is beyond and above anything I've ever seen from Tippmann.

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Posted By: mindgame
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 9:34pm

ok first off i would like to thank everyone for there help and opinions -

i decided to get teh A-5 ...i went out and bought it before -

ive decided on this for the following reasons (for those that are interested)

- the cyclone feeder - where some have had problems ALOT seem to love it - plus at worse case tippmanns customers service seems to be excellent if something breaks - plus my pro shop gives a awarranty with the gun including free repair (minus most parts depending) forthe life of the gun - and tippmann is there best parts supplier as they advised - if something happened they would just put a new one on for me and return the broken one to tippmann..i wouldent even have to wait..where the cyclone is a bit bigger (ill jsut have to learn to be quicker) i feel it has it sadvantages - for the most part they are charging oyu 100$ for the hopper , that is what you are going to pay for a good electronic hopper and even if i got a cheaper hopper for the a-5 your gonna end up paying up to the 100$ and then over in the costs for batteries - and that cost just goes on and on and on..,  and then you never have to worry about your batteries dying..plus teh added weight of the batteries will be missing now.......

this was the main reason being the a5 and 98 are for the most part the same -

i also just like the look - im not a snotty rich kid (im married with 2 kids) but this was my ME THING  for the year - so i splurged the lil extra - the 98 is ugly -

i got it with the response trigger - my shop dident sell the lapco bigshot - so i gotta order it online - any suggestions fo ra quick, reliable, good priced site???



Posted By: 98c - baller
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 9:39pm
i personlly like the 98c better, i dont like the feel of the a5, but dont get me worng its a great gun, i now own a tricked out 98c


Posted By: Robert_Hawker
Date Posted: 02 September 2004 at 1:35am
i currently have an A-5 and will say only this i dropped it off a 20 ft ledge climbed doun and it fired just fine as if nothing had ever happined. i cant say that i have heard ant other gun say that.

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Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 02 September 2004 at 8:22am
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Remote Line
Gun Sling
Sniper f/x Stock
LPK
68/4500 HPA
R-5
CP Reg
JCS Duel Trigger


Posted By: where_is_waldo
Date Posted: 02 September 2004 at 8:35am
the only problem that i can think of on the a-5 is that the hopper has a flat spot on the front. i have seen some1 get a hole blown right through the front of his hopper( we was getting really lit up and his dad was using him as cover). but i felt bad and gave him 10$ for a new one. other than that i have never had a problam with them



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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 10 September 2004 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by ace38824 ace38824 wrote:

there are trade offs for both the a-5 and 98c the cyclone feed system
does sometimes brake balls on a quite frequent bases if you dont take
the time to get al the little rocks and dirt out of it. But on the
other hand electro hoppers dont get dirt in them but if you are playing
a days worth of games or a senerio game it can run out of battery so in
my expiernace they are equal trade offs it just up to u to dicide wich
one you like best.


Please tell me how the Cyclone inherrently traps more dirt and debris than any other hopper?

I can see it happening, but I don't think it's any bigger an issue than it is with any other hopper.


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Date Posted: 10 September 2004 at 11:57pm
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Posted By: LoCo_HunTer
Date Posted: 11 September 2004 at 8:05am
ok well .. any one who says the a-5 is lighter is **edited**
... my 98c whit flatline and stock .. n if i put in my
co2 it is lighter then the a-5 ... the a-5 is just a
pretty heavy gun .. i personally would want a 98c over
a-5 because its so heavy and i personally thinl the grips
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Posted By: black magic 88
Date Posted: 11 September 2004 at 8:25am
Over all yes, the a-5 is way heavier than the 98  but its performance is a lot better and i would definately reccomend that you buy an a-5 if you have the money and the only problem i had was i had to send it in for new o-rings since they got worn out and it leaked and tippmann fixed it all for free and the only other problem I've had is that its a gas hog so make sure you buy lots of gas for it. The a-5s are really awesome with a flatline and an e grip or a freak . anyhow hope this was helpful!

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