.223 bullets
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Topic: .223 bullets
Posted By: pballa j.r.
Subject: .223 bullets
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:05pm
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Ok, I dont want to sound like a complete gun newbie..... which I perty
much am, but still... What is the correct way to say .223?
I'm almost positive you dont say it "point two two three".
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:07pm
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two-twenty three... ------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |
Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:07pm
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"two-twenty-three" Edit: Curse you WUNgUN ------------- I need a new Sig... |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:07pm
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two twenty three *jeeze that was like 3 posts in less than 10 seconds ------------- 
Nobody ever suspects the fun police! 
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Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:14pm
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That is what I was kinda thinking, but I didnt want to say something to
my friend who is a big gun person and be like "yeah dude bla bla two
twenty three" and he laugh his ass off at me.... Thanks guys.
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Posted By: sheeba
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:24pm
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Nice gun in your sig. ------------- http://www.purevolume.com/getawayromance |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:32pm
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i say, two two three, or five five six. ------------- 
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Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:46pm
Yeah thanks man, its my dream gun H&K G36C. It shoots .223 and that is part of the reason I wanted to know how to say it. The only problem is only military personale and Police men can get it..... but I guess that works in my favor because im joining the marines right out of highschool. -------------
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sheeba wrote:Posted By: TippmannA5User
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 2:59pm
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Sorry, but you will need to be a German to get it as standard weapon, you'll get a M16, but you may train on the G36, as well as many others. ------------- Just shoot yourself and save me the trouble. click the pic! http://mypaintballpics.mypicgallery.com/mpg/Route.asp"> 
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Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 3:01pm
lol, point two two three...I would laugh my head off to. 
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Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 4:19pm
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Posted By: keithx
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 4:39pm
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i'm with trigger happy on this one... two two three, five five six you can buy an SL8-1 for like 1200, thats HK's civilian G36... they are pretty nice... i almost bought one before i got my M4...
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Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 4:49pm
I know I wont be issued one, but I can buy one once im in the military. To the dude talking about the SL8- Yeah I saw thoes and thouhgt about it, but I realy dont like it, it does not compair to the sexiness of the 6C. Even with the conversion kit I dont realy like the looks of it that much. EDIT** If you will notice on the picture below, it is mostly the rail I dont like on the SL. -------------
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Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 4:53pm
Here is the converted SL8-1 to made to look like the 6C. -------------
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Posted By: 5ptcontingency
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 4:56pm
The fac that you'll be in the miltary won't give you any special privelages for buying civilian weapons, unless there's something that the world is holding from me. The same rules apply to me as they do to everyone else. If you can't legally own a certain weapon as a civilian, you can't legally own that same weapon as a service-member in a civilian capacity, |
Posted By: keithx
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 5:04pm
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they don't make a de-militarized G36 (semi-auto version) for civilian sales... I don't even think they import G36's... the closest you are going to get is the SL8-1... if you were LE you could get a station letterhead and TRY to get one that way... but it would have to be for a legitimate cause... importation of firearms isn't easy... with the SAW ban lifted you'll probably see high cap SL8 mags in the market soon... (if your state law doesnt prohibit them)... 5ptcontingency is 100% correct... the weapon you carry as while on active military duty cannot be carried by you as a civilian... same goes for police... they have a duty weapon and an off duty weapon... and pre the SAW ban being lifted... they could carry a LE/Mil only magazine in their duty weapon... but were restricted to pre ban highcaps within state law (for NJ that means under 15 rounds) or the standard civilian 10-rd magazine in their off duty gun... ------------- I prefer .223 over .68 --------------------- A-5 R/T Flatline w/ F/X SD shroud F/X Sniper stock Intruder Assault Foregrip SpecterGear CQB 3pt Sling Crossfire 68/4500 (coming soon) |
Posted By: 98ball
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 5:10pm
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Black market? ------------- 
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Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 5:16pm
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Oh.... then this site mislead me. By reading this I was under the impression that I could, infact, purchase a 6C. HK G36C, for sale to law enforcement, military and dealers with demo letter. All NFA Rules Apply. Does not include the optical sight. Comes with sling, mags, and manual- pristine demo gun. NOTE: YOU MUST HAVE A DEMO LETTER or BE MILITARY OR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PURCHASE. MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT PLEASE E-MAIL FOR DISCOUNT ON GSA. Payment by Check or money order, in full, to initiate the transfer. SOLD PENDING FUNDS Man, does that blow or what.... I had my hopes up and everything...  -------------
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Posted By: keithx
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 5:18pm
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you can go ahead and buy an illegal machine gun... i for one will do no such time in a federal prison for that... all my guns are legit... and i'll only discuss legitimate firearms... if there are G36's that were manufactured before some date (i think like may 1986) you can get a Class III to own them (if your state allows it)... but as far i can recall the G36 is newer than that... your next best bet is getting a real G3 or CETME, they are readily available, and do some type of conversion to make it look like a G36... it would be semi automatic... but still cool.... the G3 (top) is like the older brother of the G36 (bottom)...
pballa, what that means is that your military unit or law enforcement agency can purchase them... but it will be owned and kept by them not you... you personally can't use it unless you are on duty or doing some type of military/LE activity... but the US army has contracts for the M4/M16 from I think Colt... and the M249 from FN... SWAT/Special Forces can get HK MP5s and pretty much whatever they want granted they have a "need" for it... if you are just joining the military, you don't have a "need" for anything other than your M16 to pass basic training... what state are you from, and where is that link from? as long as that G36 has a pre-1986 production date and your state allows it... a class III transfer would work... you're gonna pay a lot for something like that though... ------------- I prefer .223 over .68 --------------------- A-5 R/T Flatline w/ F/X SD shroud F/X Sniper stock Intruder Assault Foregrip SpecterGear CQB 3pt Sling Crossfire 68/4500 (coming soon) |
Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 5:23pm
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Yeah I knew about the A3 and the G36K which is the bottom one. I
dont want the 6C for the auto capabilaties, I just wanted it because I
looks cool, so I may just get a 6K and convert it some how, although I
dont think H&K makes anything to convert them, I may have to do it
myself.
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Posted By: keithx
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 5:26pm
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you could probably pick up a Century Arms G3 for like $400... then look for the G36 furniture for it... they might start importing real G3s again though... things are still kinda panning out from the SAW ban expiration... (also read the bottom of the last part of my post... i edited it) ------------- I prefer .223 over .68 --------------------- A-5 R/T Flatline w/ F/X SD shroud F/X Sniper stock Intruder Assault Foregrip SpecterGear CQB 3pt Sling Crossfire 68/4500 (coming soon) |
Posted By: Kevin Z
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 5:38pm
Real Men say "five point five six NATO" ------------- United States Marine Corps.... When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed overnight! Just say NO to junk mods |
Posted By: ms2013
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 6:30pm
yeah. two-two-three. the eight digit grid coordinate 89573193 would read eight-niner-five-seven-tree-won-niner-three. each digit is spoken individually. john. ------------- ProLite M-16 18 AA Ak47 A5 Egrip flatline M-1 Garande Automag 18 AA 98C RT Thompson w/ Drum mag A5 MP5, Egrip, Armson Phantom,Stock, 12gr 98C RT HK33 Flatline UTTER DESTRUCTION OF QUIXTAR! |
Posted By: Frozen
Date Posted: 24 September 2004 at 6:45pm
They didn't mislead you. They were saying that military and law enforcement, AKA the government, can buy them. |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 25 September 2004 at 3:32pm
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I say fife-fife-six, as does everyone at my police unit. Metricated rules. This is also the NATO standard.
If I'm specifically needing to talk about the .223 Rem round I say Two-Two-Three Rem. In strict terms of dimentions the 5.56mm NATO round, also know as 5.56x45mm is identical to the US's .223 Remington round. However, there is a pressure difference. The military 5.56mm operates at a higher pressure to the .223 Remington (60,000CPU .vs 50,000), which is exasperated by the military chambers being shaped diferently to sporting ones. This can lead to extreamly high pressures in a sporting rifle, that could lead to a catasrofic failure. The Heckler and Koch G36 family of weapons are all chambered for 5.56x45mm NATO rounds. KBK |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 1:28am
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^^Your SA ammo is loaded to SS 109 specs, which work in M16 A2's, or M4's. I've seen no reported problems using SS 109 ammo in earlier designs. I'm no fan of the .223/5.56 cartridge. It doesn't have power to put something down with a single shot. In most states the round isn't even legal to use in hunting deer, as it's considered inhumane. A better, if not more stylish choice would be the G3, of M1A1 (M14) type of rifle. Either one will be more accurate, and much more powerful than the G36. By the way, with the setting of the SAW ban, weapons formerly marked LE (Law Enforcement) only, may now be legally owned by civilians, provided they are semi automatic, and are legal to own in your state or community. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: Flarpy
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 3:00am
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One of you said that both the G3 and the G36c fire the 5.56 but i thought the full size version (G3) fired a 7.62mm round. ------------- Gun Setup: Black and silver 98c 14" J&J Ceramic barrel 20oz co2 Warp feed Gravity loader :( |
Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 6:42pm
If anyone is interested or old enough, I know where I can "point you" to a CETME .308 for $399... Quick question, kinda off the topic. Anyone have any personal experiences with a Saiga Shotgun, probably "looking" at 20g or .410 piece. Thanks... ------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 12:58am
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Saiga shotguns are built with the same attention to detail as other Kalashnikov weapons, which is to say a little rough around the edges. But they are sturdy and reliable, and are good shooters. Personally, I prefer the 20 to the 410. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: S\/\/4T-L()G4N
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 8:05am
As long as it is long enough. Its been awhile since I have seen a person shooting one of those. Are they 26" (i think it is) or longer? ------------- 
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Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 8:34am
Yeah I realize a G36 would not be the most powerful... but its not like im getting it to shoot people... -------------
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Posted By: clownshooter
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 11:36am
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Kayback is correct, there is a pressure difference between the 5.56 X45 mm NATO and the .223 Remington. Barrels made for the 5.56 X 45 mm NATO are proofed with a higher pressure proof round than hunting rifles chambered for the .223 Remington. Pballa j.r. is correct in tha there are some states that prohibit the use of the .223 for hunting deer. They do not in my state. I would not recommend the .223 for deer hunting because there are too many good calibers available for deer hunting, however I will say that the .223 will consistantly kill deer at modest ranges with good shot placement and the right bullet. The 5.56 has served its purpose, but it is at best only a mid-range cartridge. The Army is currently experimenting with the 6.8 mm Remington SPC (Special Purpose Cartridge) and I understand through unofficial sources that it has seen some combat use in special units. The 6.8 mm has more range and better downrange energy than the 5.56, and the overall cartridge length of the 6.8 mm is such that it can be used in the existing M-16 lower receivers. One can legally own a automatic firearm. It does require the purchase of a BATF tax stamp that is transferrable and requires a background check and $200.00 to purchase. You are however limited to owning or purchasing an automatic firearm registered prior to 1986. Police officers can purchase a newly manufactured select fire firearm (with an order on department letterhead), however it must be registered to the Police Department and the officer cannot take it when he leaves the department. |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 12:05pm
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Obviously you aren't getting it to shoot people (I hope!), but that is what it was primarily designed to be used for. It's too short to be very accurate, not powerful enough for serious hunting, and it's also very expensive. If you really like .223's, and want something in an H&K that is accurate enough for target shooting, and is also good for hunting. take a look at the H&K 93. Genuine H&K 93's are on the expensive side, but there are American manufacturers that use their own receivers on disassembled H&K rifles, making them legal to own, and relatively inexpensive. There are a large number of accessories available for this series of rifle, along with numerous sighting systems.
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 12:35pm
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^^ i thought the hk94 was a .308 thats the g3 style rifle with the triangle hand guards right? if its a .223 im going to cry... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 12:44pm
False, My step father is a county sheriff here, and here carries the Glock 23 and carries 16 rounds in the weapon at all times on duty and off duty. It was never illegal for police officers for carry high capacity magizines off duty. ------------- 
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 2:00pm
I know the "stat" stuff, do you have one or have you fired one? ------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 1:08am
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Actually I had my terminology mixed up, The HK 91 is the copy of the G3 in .308, the HK 93 is the .223 version, the 94 is the semi auto version of the 9mm MP5. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 1:21am
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I have fired the Saiga 20 gauge. I only shot it five times at some beer cans, so I can't say what good it would be for hunting, or how well it shoots with different types of shot. It is a fast shooter, and has a light kick. My friends put a few boxes of shells through it, and as far as I know, it never jammed or misfired, which is more than I can say for the $1000 SPAS 12 (junk) I used to own. It's a good pickup truck gun, it's not so pretty that getting it dinged up will bother you very much. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 6:09am
I just wanted it becasuse it so darned secksi. I would probably do target shooting and what not with it. If I get real good I could go squirl huntin with it..... heh.... -------------
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Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 10:08am
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OMG!
Some of you guys don't know what you're talking about at all. Chances of them importing a semi-auto G-36 clone of G-3 clone are just about none, even after the assault weapons ban sunsetting. Imported military type weapons can not have more than 10 foreign made parts(usually not including springs and such) by an executive order that's been upheld since 1989. The G-36 rifle and G-3 rifles are nothing at all alike except that they're German assault rifles(the G-3 seems more like a main battle rifle) made by HK. You're not going to be able to dress a G-3 to look like a G-36. The operating systems are also totally different, so don't say that the G-3 is a parent of the G-36. That's like saying the M-14 was the parent of the M-16. The G-3 uses a roller locking mechanism for the bolt, the G-36 is gas operated like an AR-18. If you want a G-3 clone that doesn't suck, expect to pay a minimum of $600 for a PTR-91 or at least $2000 for a real HK. Century Arms CETME and HK-91 clones have quality control that's all over the board. It's a crap shoot. |
Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 1:35pm
Spoken like a true firearm elitest! I have a friend who has well over 100 pieces and all of them have to be "name brand" (for lack of better words). Personally, I say if your not taking it to war, competition, using it as an investment, or shooting thousands of rounds, go for the mid-stream pieces on the "toys" (i.e. a G3) and spend the extra money on ammo! I Always check out the popular message boards though and make sure that if I haven't heard of it, it won't "explode" on me...------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 2:22pm
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He he. You're right, I'm a snob when it comes to firearms. I wanted a military type Mauser, did some research, got an M38 Swede in 6.5X55mm. As most people will tell you Swede Mausers are even higher quality than German ones, so not only did I get a swede, I got the model with sights that weren't set with a shortest range of 300 meters. Then I figured, might as well get a Mosin Nagant rifle. No way I'm getting a soviet refurb, so I got a nice unissued Finnish one. But all that aside, if you have a firearm that works, it's all good. From what I've heard and observed about Century's CETME and G-3 rifles is that there are some nice looking ones that seem to be assembled from almost new parts, and there are ones that look like they were made from rifles so rusty and worn out they were scrapped.
What scares me is Century's method of getting these guns to headspace correctly. Since it's a roller locking gun, the headspace is measured by the gap between the bolt head and carrier using a feeler gauge, not a normal headspace gauge. As the rifle wears out, this gap gets smaller. Instead of installing new, oversized rollers to correct this, Century grinds the back of the bolt head into spec. Which considering the rifles operation, could make it unsafe since the bolt would unlock before the pressure dropped to safe levels. I mean geeze, the pressure is alreadt higher than just about any other rifle I can think of when the bolt unlocks(hence the fluted chamber to prevent cases from sticking). Combine that information with the crooked SAR-1's you see at gunshows and you can get an idea of century's quality control. It takes a lot to screw up an AK-47 clone, but they do it. |