Nipple problem.
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Topic: Nipple problem.
Posted By: Glassjaw
Subject: Nipple problem.
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 5:40pm
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I figure i would post here, because it gets more attention. Here it is ladies- Today, at the very end of the day my tank was filling, but after i would turn the air off it would all leak out. My friend i went with told me that the fill nipple had dirt in it, thus allowing air out. My dad and I were going to take off the fill nipple, clean it, and put it back on. Is that a good idea, and are there any other problems that could be causing this? ------------- |
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Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 5:54pm
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You have a nipple problem huh...thats what breast surgery is for. O wrong kind of nipple problem. I wouldn't mess with tank regulaters, or nipples. Let a certafied air smith do work on it. ------------- 
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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 5:59pm
Precisely what I was thinking. Don't mess with the tank: have a cerified airsmith do it. |
ScarFace22 wrote:Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 6:00pm
My buddy who i went pballin today with said he would show me and take it all apart with me, and clean it. I figured i could always head up to a local shop and have them do it too, but its better to know what your doing instead of just having it done for you. ------------- |
Posted By: Civilian Of
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 6:10pm
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 6:19pm
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Alright, so i should have no problem taking it off tonight/now?
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Posted By: Frobs
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 6:19pm
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NO DONT USE TEFLON TAPE! use red loktite, teflon tape wont hold up, and make sure that babys completely sealed with the loktite too, you dont want your nipple flying off and killing someone (hehe, wait, thats not funny? sorry) |
Posted By: POGUE182
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 7:21pm
lol, yea real funny as$... ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_15G4Y11dY - My Invisible Rope |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 26 September 2004 at 7:51pm
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Okay, so i took the fill nipple off, cleaned the small moving part
inside with steel wool, put a slight amount of oil on it to decrease
wear adn friction, cleaned out the nipple, put it all back together,
and put some leak lock (bascially lock tight but in another
name). Will that do it? I know it was the nipple because
when i would go to fill it, and then take the fill hose off the nipple
would turn white cold while it was leaking. ------------- |
Posted By: Civilian Of
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 3:27pm
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There have been some reports of people putting oil in thier fill nipples to stop leaking, then go fill thier tank and have the oil combust. Just sayin ive read it somewhere, so maybe consider that. |
Posted By: DrunkDriver
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 6:33pm
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take it to a dive shop. my dive leader guy repairs tanks all the time for me or if he cant fix it he sends it into the place to get fixed and hydro tested ------------- http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=260991706090alb8rs.jpg"> 
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 7:00pm
Well it was only a drop, although that is all it could take to do it. I mean, my dad was there to help, but i see what your saying. Also, about the poster above this, i forget who it is, but im going to take it to a local PB shop and have them either fill it or fix it/fill it. I mean, it may just be the O-ring, and i figure i would just get about a dozen more, because they are only 50 cence each, although i doubt i will encounter this for a while. Better to be prepared though. ------------- |
Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 7:07pm
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I don't think it was a good idea to use oil in the nipple area. As someone said it can actually combust. -------------
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 7:18pm
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Well how long does oil stay there until it would evaporate?
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Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 27 September 2004 at 7:26pm
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Sorry that I can't answer. All I know is its not good to get oil in the nipple because the friction could cause the oil to combust. -------------
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Posted By: ump107
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 4:24am
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Are you using Compressed air or CO2? I have never heard of any fires due to oil being exposed to either one of these. I have heard of fire resulting from industrial or medical grade oxygen having oil contamination. Placing oil in the valves is asking to attract more dirt and grime; although I doubt the likeliness of a fire or explosion. It would be advisable to have an air smith or another professional qualified in servicing high pressure containers to fix your leaking valves it will most likely save you money in the long run. ------------- Tippman 98 Custom 14" J&J Ceramic Barrel BT-16 Barrel kit BT-Folding stock JT USA Spectra ProShield "If you must runaway do so quietly; Screaming looks bad on the news.” (unknown) |
Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 5:40am
| I got hit in the nipple the other day. It's still somewhat sore. |
Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 10:05am
Ah...co2 tanks don't have fill nipples because they use a two way valve. The air goes in the same way it comes out. HPA tanks use a one way valve thats why theres a fill nipple. Since you don't know what your talking about I'll try to explain it to you. When a HPA tank is filled alot of friction is being built up, thats why the tank is warm after it is filled. If oil is in the nipple or leaks into the tank that friction could ignite the oil causing an explosion. How do you think matches work. the friction between the sulfur and little brown paper causes a chemical reaction making the match light. It would be the same thing with the oil. The friction could cause the oil to ignite. -------------
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Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 10:07am
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I like girls nipples.LMAO -------------
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Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 12:27pm
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Well, oil in it is useless anyway since it'll just get shot out. I do recommend you warn the guy filling it about what you did- just imagine your tank becoming a rocket- the valve isn't going to fly out but instead the gigantic tank is gonna shoot off like an RPG. Just make sure you loc-tite (or whatever you used) the holy living bejeesus out of it. And tell the guy, so he can point the tank toward the ground not toward his foot. ------------- A-5 E-grip Chipley Custom Carbon Graphite 16" Evil Adapter(Spyder) 32 Deg New '03 XChamber Remote Line Gun Sling Sniper f/x Stock LPK 68/4500 HPA R-5 CP Reg JCS Duel Trigger |
Posted By: FalloutMan
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 1:29pm
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good lord you people need to think before you guys work on hpa tanks, when you put oil in a fill nipple and you compress air into the tank you spray that oil all over the inside of the tank and with the compressed air there is much more concentrated amounts of oxygen, oxygen plus things that can catch on fire in situations of high friction (such as compressing) is NOT A GOOD THING. there have been situations of where the oil has caught on fire while nothing bad happened (no explosions or whatever, there are so many fail safes on all tanks that stuff like that does not happen unless you personally modify your tanks and bypass those fail safes) that tank did not pass a rehydro.
point being if you cant clean it out by normal means then replace it to the proper specifications ------------- "They were convicted in federal court of pennsylvania for a telemarketing scam involving invention and patent fraud." |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 1:55pm
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My dad knows someone who has been playing tourny ball for over like 7
years now, and he said it's okay. It was a half drop we put on,
then basically rubbed it all off.
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Posted By: FalloutMan
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 2:22pm
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http://www.warpig.com/paintball/articles/news/090602HPAwarn.shtml - http://www.warpig.com/paintball/articles/news/090602HPAwarn. shtml ------------- "They were convicted in federal court of pennsylvania for a telemarketing scam involving invention and patent fraud." |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 2:23pm
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Ok, you people are so dumb. Oil at a higher compression lowers the flash point, when there is air being injected past it it turns into a mist. This lowers the flash point even more, but doesnt mean it will light a fire. You still need a spark, which could come from a number of things, but most likely wont... What happens when you put oil in your asa and air it up? Nothing.
All in all, friction has nothing to do with it. Your tank gets warm because it expands when filled with air, there is no friction involved there. http://www.warpig.com/paintball/articles/news/090602HPAwarn.shtml - This warpig article says what i just said in more technical terms, but it is still just theorizing. They never tested this, so who knows if its true... Someone call up mythbusters. Edit: Ok, falloutman beat me to the article link, but my point still stands. Edit 2: I put a drop of oil on a screwdriver and held a lighter to it, no cumbustion whatsoever, although the conditions are different, i highly doubt that any gun oil is flamable... ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: FalloutMan
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 3:19pm
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lol i learned all that stuff like a year ago a couple months before that article was written so i tend to get a couple things mixed up, thanks for clarifying :) ------------- "They were convicted in federal court of pennsylvania for a telemarketing scam involving invention and patent fraud." |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 3:27pm
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No problem man, just trying to set people straight in their "facts"... ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 6:22pm
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The danger of using oil comes with using PURE oxygen (as in welding tanks ), it can react violently . The normal HPA systems and compressors in use today world wide use hydrocarbon based lubricants , for diving air , Paintball air , and multitudes of other applications , oil is safe to use as a lubricant for o-rings and such in your HPA tanks , just dont get messy with it . Totally agree with NiQ-Toto on his info , cept for one small point , oil does burn , but you gotta get it above its flash point , something like 4-500 Deg for most oils , very inconcievable ,in the realm of this discussion , as far as happening. ------------- SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf . Widowmaker , under construction |
Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 7:59pm
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How is that agreeing with you Niq. Your saying the oil can't be ignited and the article is saying it can. Oil and compressed air do not, and should not be mixed. Many people have taken to the practice of dropping paintgun oil into the fill nipple of their compressed air system, especially in the hopes of sealing a leaky fill nipple. While this would not be a real problem using the inert gas nitrogen, most "nitrogen" systems in paintball are actually filled with compressed air. As air is compressed the amount of oxygen (as well as the other gasses in the air) is increased. Fire, also known as combustion, or an exothermic oxidation reaction requires three things to start: oxygen, fuel and heat. The temperature needed to start a particular fuel burning is known as that fuel's flash point. As the amount of oxygen a fuel is exposed to increases, the flash point drops. With some materials like phosphorus, the flash point is below room temperature, and they will catch fire when exposed to air. There are many oils which are perfectly safe at room temperature and air pressure. However, when the oxygen content around them increases - as with air compressed into a paintgun's HPA tank, the flash point can lower to below the temperature of the fill air and cause the oil to ignite. This is the principle at work in the cylinders of a diesel engine. -------------
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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 8:30pm
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Posted By: ump107
Date Posted: 28 September 2004 at 10:51pm
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While this would not be a real problem using the inert gas nitrogen, most "nitrogen" systems in paintball are actually filled with compressed air.
As air is compressed the amount of oxygen (as well as the other gasses in the air) is increased.
Fire, also known as combustion, or an exothermic oxidation reaction requires three things to start: oxygen, fuel and heat. Combustion: The process of burning. Or A chemical change, especially oxidation, accompanied by the production of heat and light.
The temperature needed to start a particular fuel burning is known as that fuel's flash point. that is kind of right really it would be Ignition Temperature: the minimum temperature at which a fuel other than a liquid will continue to burn once it is ignited
As the amount of oxygen a fuel is exposed to increases, the flash point drops. Also incorrect. Flashpoint: The lowest temperature at which sufficient vapors are produced to form an ignitable mixture. Increasing oxygen in the atmosphere would only help speed up the exothermic oxidation process it wouldn’t change the flash point or ignition temperature.
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Posted By: Aundae
Date Posted: 29 September 2004 at 10:02am
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[QUOTE=Glassjaw]Well how long does oil stay there until it would evaporate? If you mused gun oil it will never dry up, its not supossed to. ------------- 
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Posted By: paintbitter
Date Posted: 29 September 2004 at 1:21pm
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Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 29 September 2004 at 10:03pm
Good job making all that stuff up dumb newb. Obviously since you had no facts to back anything up you felt compelled to make something up in the sad and sorry attempt to make your self look smart. Its ok to be a dumb newb that doesn't know anything. Im still laughing at the post where you said CO2 tanks have fill nipples how stupid can you be. LOL! Just that alone is enough proof that you don't know what your talking about and makes your points complealty invalid and useless, not to mention the fact that you have to make stuff up to try to look smart. Please do everyone a favor and go craw back into your hole where you came from. What I really wrote:
Are you using Compressed air or CO2? I have never heard of any fires due to oil being exposed to either one of these. I have heard of fire resulting from industrial or medical grade oxygen having oil contamination. Placing oil in the valves is asking to attract more dirt and grime; although I doubt the likeliness of a fire or explosion. It would be advisable to have an air smith or another professional qualified in servicing high pressure containers to fix your leaking valves it will most likely save you money in the long run. Ah...co2 tanks don't have fill nipples because they use a two way valve. The air goes in the same way it comes out. HPA tanks use a one way valve thats why theres a fill nipple. Since you don't know what your talking about I'll try to explain it to you. When a HPA tank is filled alot of friction is being built up, thats why the tank is warm after it is filled. If oil is in the nipple or leaks into the tank that friction could ignite the oil causing an explosion. How do you think matches work. the friction between the sulfur and little brown paper causes a chemical reaction making the match light. It would be the same thing with the oil. The friction could cause the oil to ignite. No where do I see anything that this dumb moron posted..maybe because its all made up. -------------
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Posted By: ump107
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 2:59am
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ScarFace22 Resorting to name-calling is really inappropriate, childish and I do believe considered flaming. (Granted my responses to your post may be considered flaming also.) If you would be so kind to take note of my reply nowhere did I make any reference to fill nipples or any other kind of nipple. I have been playing paintball several years mostly going to different fields and renting equipment. I started playing when I was in the military, I wasn’t able to keep a compress gas cylinder onboard my ship and I wouldn’t leave anything like a gas cylinder in my vehicle for several months at a time. It is only recently that I have had the opportunity to purchase my own equipment for enjoyment of the sport. I admit I do not know everything about all of the different types of gas systems available for use in paintball markers you may consider me a newbie if you would like that is your opinion. I have worked with compressed gasses for more than 12 years. When someone fills a compressed air cylinder heat is generated and it can be temperatures are over 140deg F most gun oils have a flashpoint of over 200 deg F. As stated in my above post Flashpoint is the lowest temperature at which sufficient vapors are produced to form an ignitable mixture. Another force usually would have to be applied to get the mixture to ignite. After speaking to a representative from a local compressed gas vender he recommended not using oil on valves, he said there is the chance of problems developing in the future as oil accumulates but the small amount of oil introduced one time and one time only into the tank by Glassjaw would most likely not cause a problem. It was said that the tank should get serviced by a professional to solve the leak; that was mentioned in the first post. As far as your insulting my information it was gathered through the resources available from the International Fire Service Training Association and the http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=nfpa/v=2/SID=w/TID=E166_123/l=WS2/R=1/CS=143335/SIG=13tjqh23b/*-http%3A//dir.yahoo.com/Health/Public_Health_and_Safety/Fire_Protection/Organizations/National_Fire_Protection_Association/ - National Fire Protection Association these are both very reputable resources.------------- Tippman 98 Custom 14" J&J Ceramic Barrel BT-16 Barrel kit BT-Folding stock JT USA Spectra ProShield "If you must runaway do so quietly; Screaming looks bad on the news.” (unknown) |
Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 9:56am
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So that doesn't get over the fact that you quoted me on something I never said. I don't really care if you started playing paintball in the military good for you. You have no idea what your talking about...GOD some people are so freaking annoying. Also it seem like alot of people here agree with me that it COULD cause an explosion. -------------
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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 3:53pm
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Scarface, shut the hell up. He gathered his information from legitement sources, as did i, so it looks like we are right and you are wrong along with all these people who "agree with you" because they dont know any better.
Stop giving us your assumptions and look something up before talking again. YOU are one of the reasons this forum is "going downhill," because when you are wrong you dont shut up about it. You need to keep going and going on about a topic. Go get some love from your family and stop taking out the anger that they dont love you on us with your dumb reasoning and "facts". After all, you are the one who said pressurizing a tank causes friction. Friction from what? The air? Wave your hand back and forth and tell me if it gets hot. If you arent in an oven, the answer is no, it doesnt. Just leave.
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Posted By: FalloutMan
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 4:58pm
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im not really going to argue the science since personally i only know the dynamics behind paintball guns themselves and how they operate (and basic car stuff lol) but to quote the article:
"According to Townsend, a customer at the field experienced a leak in the fill nipple of his air system and treated it with a few drops of paintgun oil dropped into the nipple before taking his gear to the air fill station. The player started to fill his tank and dropped it, shouting. Townsend says he stepped over to investigate and smelled the after effects of a fire, and found the fill hose and fill nipple coated in a black film. Townsend theorized that the fill nipple would have sprayed the oil into a mist, much like the fuel injector in an automobile engine, further increasing the surface area in contact with oxygen and lowering the flash point. Townsend said that the resulting fire flashed through the tank and the hose. Fortunately the explosion was small, and did not create any shrapnel, so no one was injured. Townsend ended up taking the fill hose out of service, and recommended that the customer have the tank both visually inspected and hydrostatically tested by a DOT certified inspector before filling it again." ------------- "They were convicted in federal court of pennsylvania for a telemarketing scam involving invention and patent fraud." |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 5:00pm
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Which is why I emailed Adam Savage from mythbusters to see if they will test this myth, which is all it is... ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 5:05pm
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I don't feel like reading through all that, but i just got it filled earlier and it works fine, no problems.
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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 5:05pm
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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 5:46pm
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Some people have informed me that i was wrong about why the tank gets warm. It isnt expansion, it is compression. Gasses at a higher pressure increase in temperature. Sorry for the mix up. ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 5:51pm
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Don't you have anything better to do (like playing with yourself in a corner)then coming here and flame people. Also if fallout mans story is right then it looks like I'm right and your compleatly wrong. If anyone needs to shut up here its you. As I said to ump just go craw back to you hole and go screw yourself. -------------
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Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 6:01pm
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Holy crap, how hipocritical was that? You make fun of me flaming you by flaming me! What is wrong with that?
I restate myself when i say "Leave now" and i would like to add "Go die in a fire" to that too. ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: FalloutMan
Date Posted: 30 September 2004 at 8:06pm
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so i was right with the friction thing! because the compression does create alot friction (and heat as a by product) ------------- "They were convicted in federal court of pennsylvania for a telemarketing scam involving invention and patent fraud." |