Clark Kent wrote: I'm in favor of skipping the drugs and the smoking - but I draw the line at "no sex."

me too, me too

How do you dress? T-Shirt, Cowboy Cut Wranglers, Wellingtons
What music do you listen to?Classic Rock and Country
What food do you eat? Meat, Veggies, Water
Slang terms? Heyll
Are there any Initiation ceremonies?No
Lifestyle (how do you spend the day)? Fishing and Coon Hunting
Are there any symbols? Confederate Flag
Role of women/men?
Rituals/traditions? On New Years we Shoot the Transformers outside
What is the Moral Code? None
Who is the enemy? Damn Yankees

man that was pretty good

tippy_182 wrote: boomstick wrote: tippy_182 wrote: boomstick This is only for straight edge punks. Do not sign your name like i showed because unless you are straight edge. Thats what i know about the movement. You make it sound like the Mafias gonna get me if I do. the straight edge community gets really pissed if you sign your name like that. it's really against all their beleifs if you do. So their not gonna do drugs or have sex or anything, but will give me the beat down if I sign my name a certain way?

Heh - more likely they will write an angry punk song about the horrors of crooked-edge people signing their name with an "X".

omgzorz - I am so afraid of the straight-edgers.

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And I love having sex!!!

I hope nobody reports me to the Impotent Anger Police.

ok... with the exception of some... you have no idea what you are talking about.  Basically... Straight edge is a lifestyle that involves no drugs (i'm sure caffiene is allowed... ), no alcohol, and no casual sex like someone said.  It doesn't mean you can't have sex... it means you don't go out and screw some skeez bag.  You should be really in love or whatever.  most straight edgers are into the metal-core music and dress like punks or metal kids would.  tight blue jeans and a tight t-shirt... usually black and usually of a band is what most people visualize sxe kids as.  Honestly... their "daily life" isn't much different than anyone else's.  a ton of my friends are/were sxe and i guess i could be considered it myself... but i don't like to label myself.  the only symbols that i know of are X's on each hand... then when you cross your arms there are 3 of em... xXx... Oh, a few of the straight edgers i know are vegetarian or vegan... but not all of em.  that seemed like just a trend. 

all in all its another clique that allows people to let people live a "cleaner" life while enjoying it. 

i don't see why you have to be knockin the way people live... let em do what they want. 

procarbinefreak wrote: ...most straight edgers are into the metal-core music and dress like punks or metal kids would.  tight blue jeans and a tight t-shirt... usually black and usually of a band is what most people visualize sxe kids as.

So, basically, what you are telling us is that promising not to have sex isn't a real sacrifice for these guys.

I'm starting a new cult for all us non-straight edge folk.

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Dark98 wrote: It's not this "cult" that most people think it is. I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't go out and get laid by the first willing chick I find. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't pretend you do.

See, it's the whole "don't get laid by willing chick" part that is hard to swallow...   I don't see the upside.  Two consenting adults, being responsible - what's not to like?

If this is a club for children, then I'm all for it.  But I think the world needs MORE sex, not less.

I am vaguely confused - are you saying that it is bad for me to have sex with a drunk chick I picked up in a bar?

If we excluded "sex with drunk chick from bar" from acceptable human behavior, the human race would die out in a couple of generations...

Ah - you are certainly free to do so.  But I sense, in your posts, in your refusal to participate, and on the X site, a certain disapproval of those who do engage in casual sex.

To the extent that there is such disapproval, I disapprove of the disapproval.  By so disapproving, the disapprovers are of course guilty of the exact same prejudice of which they accuse others.

EDIT - must type faster - to Dark98.  As to the end of the human species, I must admit to a certain level of humerous puffery.  Harmless, I hope, and yet not entirely untrue.

Dark98 wrote:   I highly doubt the human race would end because people didn't have "sex with drunk chick from bar". But I'm pretty sure it would help the poverty levels.

As to poverty levels - I partially disagree, and to the extent that I don't disagree, I find the implied judgement particularly offensive.

To clarify:

If I am not poor, and the drunk chick is not poor, and we are both responsible adults, our casual sex will not add to poverty.  Even in the event of an unfortunate pregnancy, we, as responsible adults, would take responsibility for that, and ensure that any child of ours did not get dragged down into poverty.  As non-poor people, we would have the means to do that.

If I and/or the drunk chick are in fact poor, then yes - an unplanned pregnancy could increase overall poverty.  But implied in your statement, then, is the idea that I should not have casual sex because it might increase overall poverty.  To that I say "none of your business, I'll live my own life thank you very much."

Now, if you suggest to me that casual sex might make me more likely to remain poor forever, then you might get my attention.  It might be a wise decision for me, as a poor man, to avoid potentially expensive hobbies.  But, of course, as us sexified folk will tell you, there are plenty of ways to have casual sex with ZERO risk of pregnancy.

Thus I reject your hypothesis.

^^^^^ Don't be too sorry - I'm not that offended.

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I too disapprove of irresponsible.  But, ironically, I also disapprove of people disapproving of my irresponsibility.  It's a bit of an inconsistency, I know...      :)

Remember - one man's irresponsibility is another man's acceptable risk.

EDIT - can't keep up with your edits.  Now you aroused my curiosity, so to speak.  What is "irresponsible sex, and what makes it so?"

Ok, how's this - never undertake ANY action unless you are prepared to deal with the consequences.  Period.

Ok.  Now, against that backdrop:  Never have casual sex, unless you are willing to risk and accept the consequences.  Much like never get in a car unless you are willing to risk and accept the consequences.

Absolutely a trick question...    :)

My point being that if I, deploying whatever wits I have, consciously decide that the joy of casual sex outweighs the risks and potential negative consequences that may result, how is that different than simply getting in a car?

In fact, am I not being MORE responsible?  Because I have evaluated and weighed the risks - most people just go "eh" and get in the car without a second thought, even though cars kill a lot more people than sex does (I think, anyway).

The guy who blindly gets in the car is irresponsibly engaging in very dangerous behavior - the guy who has deliberate casual sex is taking a calculated risk.

I propose that it is not the act but the thought.  Charging through life blindly, whether having sex or driving cars, makes you a drone and an animal.  Thinking ahead and making decisions about your behavior - REGARDLESS OF WHAT THOSE DECISIONS MAY BE - makes you a better person.

Just my thoughts.

Clark Kent wrote: procarbinefreak wrote: ...most straight edgers are into the metal-core music and dress like punks or metal kids would.  tight blue jeans and a tight t-shirt... usually black and usually of a band is what most people visualize sxe kids as.    So, basically, what you are telling us is that promising not to have sex isn't a real sacrifice for these guys.

you want me to get some pictures of some of the girl friends of some of the straight edgers i know... i could prolly find at least one where i am for college now... 

i was giving a general description of what sxe kids *usually* wear... i didn't know that people's clothes really had an effect on how much they get...   

The clothes make the man...  That goes double when dealing with women.

I am not so much saying that dressing in any particular way will keep you from having sex as I am saying that dressing in the wrong way - for your place and time - will keep you from having sex.  Conversely, dressing correctly will significantly increase your chances.

Walk into an LA dance club with a business suit on (as if they would even let you in) and you have no chance (unless you happen to be a famous actor).  Walk into a Midtown Manhattan piano bar in that same suit and you are already ahead of the game.

In this particular context, I am suggesting that dressing in the way you described is, in most US high schools, guaranteed to SUBSTANTIALLY limit the number of girls who will even talk to you, let alone have sex with you.

you'd be surprised... espicially with the high school i went to...

Hence my "most" qualifier.  I certainly recognize that there times/places where tight jeans and black t-shirts are the best ways to get laid - but that also simply proves my point.  Who's going to sleep with the guy who looks like an extra from The Revenge of the Nerds?

Looks matter.  Clothes matter more.

procarbinefreak wrote: ... at the warped tour there were a lot of hot punker girls...

Damn right, and most of them were right in the pit with the rest of us guys.

I dont think that xXx (Straight Edge) is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Its pretty much people that dont drink/do drugs/casual sex and enjoy listening to Hardcore punk/ Metalcore music. Yeah the dress tends to be the same (Tight pants, long shaggy hair, black Tshirts, 00 guaged earrings) but honestly what music group dosent have its "dress code". Metal has the long hair, tatoos and ripped clothes, rap has baggy pants and do-rags, punk has its studded vests and **edited**ies pants.

I will admit that some get a bit over the top, like the ones that go vegan and bomb places that test on animals, and the ones that hunt and kill drug dealers, but thats a very small % of the actual Hardcore kiddies.

I have seen a few Hardcore bands live, and I will admit I dont like it. I dont mind punk and metal pits, but Hardcore mosh pits are insane. They dont just push, shove, and elbow, they punch, kick, and beat you down. Its just not that enjoyable.

Clark Kent wrote: Hence my "most" qualifier.  I certainly recognize that there times/places where tight jeans and black t-shirts are the best ways to get laid - but that also simply proves my point.  Who's going to sleep with the guy who looks like an extra from The Revenge of the Nerds? Looks matter.  Clothes matter more.

yeah because punker/metal kids totally look like kids from revenge of the nerds...

hmmm.... i don't see it

I can see where my post lead you wrong...  but I was simply using the Nerds as an example of unattractive clothing...

It is my view that in most parts of today's society, dressing like either of those pictures will substantially lessen your chances of actually having sex.

If you happen to be in the chess club, then the plaid gear might work for you.  If you happen to be in the punk club scene, then the jeans/t-shirt/pierced lip look could work for you.

Of course, most girls are neither in the chess club nor in the punk club scene.  As a result, any of the above looks will have an overall negative impact on your sexual future (unless you happen to have the chess skills or punk music skills to go with the gear).

It all depends on what you want, and where/when you want it.  All things in their time and place.

I dont do drugs or drink and cant get laid does thismake me a straight edge?!

Oh god please help me

Hugh is a bad example.

Q:  What is your best pickup line?

Hef:  "Hi - I'm Hugh Hefner."

For some people it doesn't matter what they wear...    :)

you do realize that not all girls have the same taste in men... there are plenty of chicks that dig the punker/metal look... i guess i'm just going off of what i have seen.  granted, clothes do make a bit of difference... but if you don't have the balls to talk to a girl, or have the right attitude... you're not gonna get any.  and that also kinda goes with what you said about how it doesn't matter how some people dress...   but whatever... we both have different views on the subjet... but i'm off to bed... i got an early lab tomorrow!

That is what I am saying - there certainly are girls that dig the punk look.  And for those girls, the clothes make a difference, in your favor.  Those girls will hate the guy in the letter jacket.  However, there are more girls who DISlike the punk look than there are girls who like it (IMO).  Therefore, while dressing punk makes you popular with some, it makes you unpopular with many.

It's all about dressing for the occasion.  If you going clubbing, dress the part.  If you are picking up cheerleaders, dress the part.  But, on the average, punk attire will hurt you more than help you.