Carbine Overdrive Bench Test (Video!)
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Topic: Carbine Overdrive Bench Test (Video!)
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Subject: Carbine Overdrive Bench Test (Video!)
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:24pm
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Ive been working on this thing for a few months. Im so sick of everyone
thinking the Carbine is a slow newbie gun, and other people complaining
that it doesnt have uber upgrades like the ebolt or RT. Think again. First official test run of the Carbine Overdrive system. Its pretty much prototype, but it certainly does work. No gripframe stuff yet (need some parts and tools), but the little Clippard valve to test it with works good. According to my audio, i was ripping 10bps with the little pushbutton valve with my thumb. Eat that, naysayers. Video here: http://www.paintballchat.net/overdrive_benchtest.avi - http://www.paintballchat.net/overdrive_benchtest.avi The video is DivX encoded, so if you dont see any video, go to http://www.divx.com - http://www.divx.com and get the free codec. Entirely pneumatic. Batteries are for suckers. ------------- 
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Posted By: xXMorpheineXx
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:27pm
uber props enos... the vid didnt work for me but I heard it loud and clear.... It was shoting really good for a pro-carbine.... haha btw you have a very evil laugh... maybe you could be the next austin powers bad guy? ------------- "Contra omnia vincimus" |
Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:36pm
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that was pretty cool.
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Posted By: TippmanRULES
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:36pm
| its orgasmic. |
Posted By: PROCARBINEϗ
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:36pm
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SWEEET must have.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:39pm
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Enos, dude, props for being scary yet innovative at the same time. Seriously, you scared me. ------------- 
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Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:44pm
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still waiting for it to load on my crappy pc. but ill post my thoughts later after i watch it. ------------- 
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Posted By: 98God
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:47pm
| i think your going to get rich off this |
Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 8:49pm
ROFL , WTG !! My Hats off to tha Master of the nearly impossible !! (At LEAST the inconcievable !! )   ------------- SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf . Widowmaker , under construction |
Posted By: TippmannA5User
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 9:08pm
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giggitygiggity... (in a darth vader voice) I'm out of gas......tchhh haaaa tchhh haaaa.... ------------- Just shoot yourself and save me the trouble. click the pic! http://mypaintballpics.mypicgallery.com/mpg/Route.asp"> 
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Posted By: maroon out
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 9:23pm
Ahhh, you beat me... 
I've been working on something similar for a while now. ------------- Watch your thoughts they become words Watch your words they become actions Watch your actions they become habits Watch your habits they become character Watch your character it becomes your destin |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 9:50pm
  Just some pics -------------
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Posted By: PROCARBINEϗ
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 9:59pm
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How much man? thats the big question
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Posted By: BearClaw
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:10pm
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DANG looks like it be cool you really ota hook up with tompson shooter
to put something like that into his milsims that be awsome. Might be a good idea to send a email or something of that sort to Tippmann. Maybe they'l buy it like the did with the 98c Ebolt. Hopefully something like this will shine some more light on the semi forgoton tippy. Thinking about it that be perfect for a reincarnated tippmann F/A  . But my Carbine is fast enough with just a lighter trigger any faster and i wont beable to afford to fed it  .------------- AGD 68 Automag Azodin KPII Sheridan PGP2K Tippmann Crossover XVR Tippmann ProCarbine Tippmann SL68-II Tippmann TiPX |
Posted By: MuRdoc18
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:10pm
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So this will work for prolites then??? I bow to you good sir.
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Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:12pm
| mmmm mechanical phnumatic goodness |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:12pm
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So your planning on placing the "clicker" thing into a grip frame? Sounds pretty cool. But was it doing the 10bps there? ------------- 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:16pm
No, the final version will have a custom made tiny valve on a bracket inside the frame. It will mount on the freed up sear pins. As for how much, no idea. Nothing promised at all on ever seeing it for sale until after the 12th. -------------
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tippy_182 wrote:Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:19pm
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Any thought on the price yet?
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Posted By: waarp8nt
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:21pm
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Man with your history of Mods on Carbine series, I can bet this is gonna be SWEET. Dial-up stinks..........the phone company here in Toilet-ville, IL is still under a rock. The video downloads 22% in 6-9 min. then shuts down. Can't wait to see it in action. |
Posted By: Jonner
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:51pm
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dude...u r truley the coolest guy i ever knew in paintball...wow thats just insane! ------------- 
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Posted By: matt06
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 10:54pm
| my DSL is taking craploads of time to load it...but, if its from enos, and its worthy of going on his carbine, I bow down to it. |
Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 11:01pm
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You're crazy . Nice though, how much do you think it would cost if I wanted that done (if I had a pro/carbine) ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 11:06pm
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How exactly does it work if you don't mind telling us. Im confused on the idea.
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 11:09pm
Yes, do explain, I want to know what you did in your spare time. ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 11:11pm
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Awsome!! Tippmann could make a fortune if Enos worked for them. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 11:21pm
Its not difficult, its the same principle as the ebolt. Replace the rear bolt with a ram. Except electronics suck, so i left those off. -------------
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 11:31pm
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So BASICALLY, it is an e-bolt on a P/C without electronics, well atleast at the moment?
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 11:34pm
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By far the greatest upgrade I've seen for a Carbine. I think it will go well with my SHI Trigger pin and saftey stop.
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 01 October 2004 at 11:34pm
Its not going to have electronics in it at all. As i said, batteries are for suckers. Its going to have this inside it.  -------------
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Posted By: TippmanRULES
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:33am
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you will have issues with velocity...
there is no dwell setting... so it is kinda like a cocker, you can short stroke. if you pull fully the first time, and pull quicker the second, it will send air to the ram before it is fully returned, and you will have less force to hit the valve again so you might have velocity issues... get a chrono... i wanna see! |
Posted By: patrick
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:37am
trust me, coming from someone who's taken a long look at his trigger valve, you're not going to short stroke it : ) ------------- |
Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:39am
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after viewing the trigger valve which I helped design and troubleshoot. You would have close to .5mm pull, and thats if the valve where at the bottom of the trigger. ------------- http://www.anomationanodizing.com - My Site 
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Posted By: patrick
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:44am
not quite .5 millimeters, but definitely short. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:47am
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That was very interesting... I'm so lost for words now.
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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:49am
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That's so sweet.
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 1:01am
Eh? The amp valve is too complex to build. Its just going to have a very short throw 2-way. -------------
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 1:19am
Just for scale, heres the core of the trigger valve which has already been made -------------
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Posted By: Flarpy
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 1:30am
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Just out of curiousity, how many pro/carbines have you gone through? Including all failed and succesfull projects, all test projects. ------------- Gun Setup: Black and silver 98c 14" J&J Ceramic barrel 20oz co2 Warp feed Gravity loader :( |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 2:22am
| Enos, how do you think of this stuff... and why the clicker thing? |
Posted By: *Stealth*
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 2:51am
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Enos has a friggen evil laugh. My god, He just keeps getten cooler. ------------- |
Posted By: TheOperators
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 3:08am
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That is sweet, i have to show that to a buddy of mine, he has had his Carbine for over 10 years!! hes gonna love it, awsome job. Matt ------------- "Those who fear being conquered, are sure of defeat" "The most deadly thing on the battlefield is one well-aimed shot." |
Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 4:40am
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You already know what I think of the video. I wonder how many people in this thread are also the same ones who have said previously in your threads in the gallery how home made mods are "ghetto" or not "drop in" and bash the hell out of the carbine for such are also the same ones that now say "zomg that esh teh l33t dewd!"
At any rate, keep up the fine work. You make me regret selling my procarbine everytime you make some leet mod for them  -------------  http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 5:46am
| "i am out of gas"-enos shenk |
Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 7:18am
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We need an uber thread of all your mods. It would be like 3 pages...
------------- Something unknown is doing we don't know what. That is what our knowledge amounts to. - Sir Arthur Eddington |
Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 7:24am
| i cant see the pic!!! noooo. i can only hear it. im gonna try to get it to work, but otherwise it sounds awesome. it would be better if somehow you could make it go to windows meida(sp?) player. |
Posted By: chettacheez
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 8:16am
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Good job!
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Posted By: The Man
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 8:24am
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Very nice Enos. ------------- Cp critical Bob Long Lengens painball park Team Rendition |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 9:19am
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I also got audio only, but very cool - I think I saw the pieces for this thing in some of Enos' other pictures here... Will you able to sustain ROF? In the audio it sounded a little choppy. Well done. |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 10:02am
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One thing i noticed was shoot down? Atleast i believe. But
for those who only get audio, right click on the file and then click
"save target as" or "Save link target as". There should be
something like that in the dropdown list. Then just play it with
a media player (I use Winamp).
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Posted By: Front-Assualt
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 10:10am
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That was Awesome! I wish i could do that with my carbine.....
Edit: Enos you are the man!
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Posted By: WiteRavin
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 10:21am
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WHOA!!! thats incredible!!! now i am most certainly glad i chose a Pro/Carbine over a 98c i have a few questions though, 1. Are you going to rework all this:  so that it can go on the P/C vertical adapter? (in otherwords, are you going to have an ASA version when you are complete with the kit?) 2. how much is that beast going to cost!?!? 3. will it pretty much be a drop-in kit for when you are selling them? 4. are you going to make them available in different colors, or even just black? 5. and finally, unrelated to the Overdrive Kit, but for your carbine Safety-Stop, does that come with o-rings for it and such? or is it just the safety stop? Thanks Enos, THE CARBINE MOD-GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=114970&PN=8">  
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Posted By: TippmanRULES
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 10:23am
| enos, please make a vid of it over the chrono or something... |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 10:30am
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ENOS!!!! HAVE MY CHILDREN!!!!
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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 10:37am
1. 12 Gram CO2 2. "I'm out of gas" |
Posted By: TippmanRULES
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 11:28am
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ok, i get that he ran out of air...
but say the ram is on its way returning to its resting position, but before it gets there he pulls the trigger again, wouldnt the hammer hit the valve with less force? |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 11:48am
Ah, didnt know it was a 12 Gram. ------------- |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:52pm
This is all IF it goes into production. 1: Thats the setup there, it would come with a nickel plated m/f/f T fitting, and a nickel plated 90 degree fitting. Of course it could be set up any way you wanted, if you have a 2-hole ASA you could easily put the LPR on that instead. 2: Again if it goes into production, probly around $120, around the price of the ebolt. 3: Yes, 100% drop-in. 4: I dont have any equipment to do anodizing. I could always order a different color LPR for someone i guess 5: just the safety Anyway im in desperate need of a chrono to test this over. Im 90% certain shoot-down shouldnt be an issue. This thing resets faster then a 98 ebolt, probably just as fast as the rear bolt when its stock, and how often is the rear bolt not there when you pull the trigger. I was running it off a 12 gram, thats why it sounded funny. I dont have any air. -------------
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Posted By: Natural Newbie
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:53pm
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To my knowledge your going to have MAJOR velocity fluctuations.
You have a pneumatic forward, spring return ram. Same as a E-Bolt for a 98. You eliminated the electronicts (board, solenoid, trigger switch...) and replaced it with that slider switch that opens up the air to the ram when pushed. The dwell on electropneumatic guns is controlled in Milliseconds. For for instance when my dwell is 7, thats .007 seconds. If I change my dwell to 8, .008 seconds, my velocity can jump 30 feet per second. Now with that slider switch hooked up to your trigger, unless you can controll how long you pull the trigger in milliseconds (impossible) your velocity will be all over the place. To counter act that you could lower your ram pressure considerably (say 30PSI versus a baseline of 80PSI). But with a lower ram pressure you may not even be able to get it above 150FPS. Short stroking will also be possible if (but hard since you say the trigger is going to be so short). So until I see it work I say it's not going to work! But there is only one way to find out. Good luck with the rest of the project Enos. ------------- Dr. Newbenstien | |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 12:58pm
Negative houston. Thats the one major thing i was worried about. What your saying is that holding down the trigger would cause the ram to hold the main valve open. I had a design for a striker worked out that would eliminate that problem, but it turned out i dont need it. The intertia of the striker kicks the valve open, but the force of the gas inside the main valve pushes it closed very neatly. Gotta love poppet valves. If you hold the trigger valve open, it fires, and then just sits there in the forward position until you let off. I had the reg turned almost as far down as it could, and it sounded like it was shooting a bit hard, so at this point i dont think theres any worries. Good to see you around NN -------------
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Posted By: Natural Newbie
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 1:04pm
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Hmm, yea I was thinking it might have the poppet effect. However since it's not a spring constant that is pushing the hammer forward, it's "how long the trigger is pulled". There might still be a possibility for velocity fluctuations. Well, the tell tale will be the chrono when it is finished!
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 1:06pm
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Yeah, at worst it would undershoot, better then overshooting in my book. Yeah, i need a bleeding chrono to test the thing. Something else i dont have :/ Its fast, it resets very fast and kicks very fast so im hoping with a very short trigger valve it will work just fine. -------------
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Posted By: WUNgUN
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 1:14pm
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Enos, a couple of new tools and you are really starting to crank out some serious new products! Good luck! ------------- [IMG]http://hometown.aol.com/hlwrangler/myhomepage/revised5_copy.jpg"> ""...the Marines we have there now could crush the city and be done with business in four days."--LtGen Conway on Fallujah |
Posted By: Front-Assualt
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 3:25pm
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Enos.....have i mentioned i love you? When this baby comes out (if it ever does) ill be one of your very first customers!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- Pro/Carbine j&j ceramic Lapco Double Trigger SL-68II trigger spring |
Posted By: bigmike102
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 4:23pm
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Make your own chrono .. I bet you could Sweet carbine ------------- . |
Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 4:26pm
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thats so cool! people totaly underestimate tippmann's carbines. next you need to invent a pneumatic hopper to keep up with it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 02 October 2004 at 4:29pm
Exactly why im doing this. Its tippmanns best overall production gun. Much higher quality overall, more modular, easier to work on, easier to mod. -------------
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Posted By: SportsJunky2004
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 6:08pm
| is this going to havefull auto so it i hold it down will it will shoot f/a? cause that was what i was thinking or would it be based on repeated trigger pulling, like walking the trigger? I am confused will it have f/a capabilities or not and will be needing a double trigger? |
Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:21pm
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I will now watch that over and over. It's like porn for paintball addicts.
The downside is that Enos' maniacal(I know I spelled that right but it doesn't look right...) laughter will give me nightmares. |