The Gun or The Man
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Category: News And Views
Forum Name: Thoughts and Opinions
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Topic: The Gun or The Man
Posted By: Dead Man Walkin
Subject: The Gun or The Man
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 3:45am
| I feel that when it comes to paintball the player is what makes the game and what wins the game but my brother and some of my friends feel that it's the amount of firepower that wins the game. After months of heated debate I decided to ask more people about their opinons. So what is it the gun or the man? |
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Posted By: adam_98
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 6:43am
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Tell them to all play with pumps or play woodsball with expericed woodsball players and see how much they shoot
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Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 7:03am
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Quite a few players believe that firepower compensates for a lack of skill , and trying to convince them of their ignorance is like trying to teach a dog french . It only serves to irritate the dog , and frustrate you . Practice your drills , keeping tight , and such , soon enough you will be able to demonstrate the concept for them , err on them ------------- SL68-II , micro honed and polished .688" bore . Tuff Enuf . Widowmaker , under construction |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:10am
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er... could it be a combination?
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Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:13am
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90% player, 10% gun/equipment. To use an exchange from Conan the Barbarian: Conan: The riddle...of steel. ------------- If I flee, kill me If I die, avenge me |
Posted By: tyranny
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:14am
| well i think skill is very important but a lot of paint can never hurt |
Posted By: Pump Scout
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:16am
Shadowminion's got it. There's a whole lot of players out there (and I use the term loosely) who think that overwhelming firepower is the only way to play. What happens to them is typically that they burn out on paintball in short order, either because they can no longer afford to sling four cases of paint in a day, or because it's no fun to put blisters on your fingers from speed shooting, or whatever. Basically, there's no fun in the game doing it that way. Let 'em think their way of playing is the way to do it, and take them to school with a slower/older/pump-action marker by nailing them every time.  ------------- http://www.geocities.com/limitedpump - Limited Pump Paintball |
Posted By: hwayhzrd
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:20am
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While I think skill is the best attribute to have, when it comes to the BPS question, I would much rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. |
Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:23am
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It's almost all the player. If you're really good, you can even win a game without a gun...
------------- Something unknown is doing we don't know what. That is what our knowledge amounts to. - Sir Arthur Eddington |
Posted By: pimptastik
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:29am
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player 90% gun 8% intimadation 2% ------------- <no ginormous sigs please> |
Posted By: Front-Assualt
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:33am
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Speaking of......a few days ago me, my brother, and a bunch of people he knew were playing woodsball at my bros friends house. We played a game that they made up, one person has a gun and is on a team by himself....everyone else is on the other team and has sticks as weapons So ha! ------------- Pro/Carbine j&j ceramic Lapco Double Trigger SL-68II trigger spring |
Trogdor2 wrote:
)Posted By: tmino1687
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 9:52am
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i think its more like 70 the man and 30 the gun/equipment. but i have been a victim of this too.my friend has a 98c no uprades and i have my 98c with e-bolt and eggy. we play all the time and he wins the majority of the time because my 5 shots get close but his one or 2 get even closer. He has also been playing for alot longer. so i think its more the man than the gun but if your gun isnt working or if your playing a guy with a dm4 and the other has a pump, it just might go the dm4's way. ------------- 98c green, 2x trig, evo 2, e-bolt,j&j 14in. with a reg and nitro |
Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 9:53am
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Its more of the player than anything else, but the gun does help.
------------- YONK~!~ |
Posted By: The Man
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 10:07am
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The Man It's mostly the person behind the marker not the marker itself i've seen really crappy guys with angels and other high end guns get bunkered by kind with rentals. But in most cases having a better gun does give you an edge over the opponent. ------------- Cp critical Bob Long Lengens painball park Team Rendition |
Posted By: fireufool
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 11:15am
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in woods its like 90% player 10% equip (4 fire fights) but speed i think its like 75(player)/25(gun) just cause if ur getting 30 bps at u can u can shoot 1 /sec ur a dead man still i think its like this : a bad guitarest with a great guitar is still a bad guitarest and a bad pber with a great gun is still a bad pber ------------- always move forward going strait will get u nowhere there is no progress evolutions gonna kill us all-green day jaded |
Posted By: Vitamin
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 11:19am
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Combination of both.
A great player with a Pump will perform better than a total rookie with a Black Magic Autococker
Equallly two good players with same weapons will be close, same players but one with a Spyder and one with a slingshot will be a little lopsided.
So I say it is both, a good combination equals a good player. ------------- 
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Posted By: fireufool
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 11:27am
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i acually agree with vitamin makes even more sence than wut i said b4 ------------- always move forward going strait will get u nowhere there is no progress evolutions gonna kill us all-green day jaded |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 11:31am
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Both. Brimstone Smoke(amateur) with with DM4s vs Infamous with bone stock tippmanns. Infamous is obviously a better team, but with out being able to lane or put down enough paint, brimstone will be able to move and keep lasoya from moving. It always helps to have a nice marker, but its usually never what determines the outcome of the game. ------------- 
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 11:36am
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ya its all skill, lets give dynasty phantoms and blades and my team timmys and i bet dynasty would win, cuz like pimptaskit said to theres skill, guns, and intimadation. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 12:36pm
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I believe the player a sucky player with a angel isent gonna magicly become an awsome player and own the field a good gun definatly helps once your a good player you may do better using fire power but you still gotta be good at playing it cant just buy a good gun and become awsome ------------- 
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Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 2:09pm
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its deff more the player but a fast gun can always help ------------- 
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 2:59pm
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if you take two awesome players the person with the better gun will win
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Nobody ever suspects the fun police! 
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Posted By: Ariakon_Eagle
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 3:15pm
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Yeah. You need too match your gun. If 2 players that are awsome and each of them get angels 05s(just an example) and one has played with angels for the last 2 years and the other guy hasnt touched and angel b4. The guy who knows his gun will win. You need great skills first, then the gun, then learn your gun. How far it can shoot. How accuarate is it?... Theres my 2 cents worth. ------------- You call the Eagle, Eagle does the rest. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 5:06pm
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Actually, paintball is about 20% playing, 35% accessorizing (cool stickers and whatnot) and 45% taunting and bragging.
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Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 5:09pm
We all know stickers make the gun shoot faster. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 5:14pm
not to mention the 10% internet lying. I give 110% :) -------------
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Posted By: DMN 0166
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 5:15pm
| there are a couple pump teams that compete against semi pro/ pro teams using normal semi auto markers, and they actually do quite well. |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 5:25pm
it can hurt me.....really bad |
Posted By: Civilian Of
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 5:57pm
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 6:01pm
hehehehe... you gadda give it your all eh Gatyr?
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 6:46pm
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It all depends on how you play. If your gun is on par with the rest of the field, you need skill to win.
If your gun is way suprerior to anything else on the field, you can rely on your technology. If your gun is way inferior you need skills and brains. I often used to use rentals before I got my 98C and I always used to get the most kills, generally in CQB type of ranges, simply because I didn't flinch when shot at, and dumped paint towards anyone shooting at me. KBK |
Posted By: cadet_sergeant
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 7:38pm
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80% player 20% equipment the players in charge of the marker, not the other way around; but having bad equipment can really mess up your game.
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Posted By: Dead Man Walkin
Date Posted: 03 October 2004 at 8:13pm
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Posted By: nickman98
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:05pm
| i used to think it was all about the player...till i got my impulse...i was alright with my cocker...but with my imp i play a whole lot better...i dont know what itis, but i some how got better. |
Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:24pm
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Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:28pm
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concerning the player bun debate. its almost all the player, but a fast gun can intindimate the other player.
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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:54pm
exactly. -------------
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