Christian Hardcore music
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Topic: Christian Hardcore music
Posted By: borntopaint
Subject: Christian Hardcore music
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 9:53am
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Well i just went to the norma jean concert on saturday night and i was wondering how many people know who they are and/or have been to one of their shows i have been to 2 of them it is the only place i have gotten in a mosh pit (soooooooo much fun) ne way the other bands that played there were fear before the march of flames evergreen terrace (awesome show) throwdown (even better show) and then Norma Jean of course ------------- 
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 10:24am
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no I haven't been to one of their concerts. yes, mosh pits are fun and how about crowd surfing. crowd surfing is awsome. ------------- NASA and the Americans spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours to develop a pen that would write in space.....The Russians used a pencil. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 10:52am
| Mosh pit at a Christian rock concert? Seems a little inconsistent? |
Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 11:10am
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ya well first off you have to consider that it is a hardcore show hardness comparable to hatebreed / slipknot etc and im too fat to crowd surf it was soo annoying though people behind me would get picked up to surf and all of a sudden they would get thrown on the back of my neck it happened 2 or 3 times i was getting pretty mad at them &n bsp; i did save a girl from getting trampled in the pit though she fell over when the girl in front fell they picked the girl in front up but they didn't notice the other girl she almost knocked me down on top of her (that would have been bad) but i steadied myself and picked her up i felt special she was pretty ;) -------------
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Posted By: Variable
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 11:23am
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borntopaint wrote:Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 11:29am
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how is that a problem? -------------
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 11:31am
seems a little ironic. ------------- 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 1:02pm
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Christian hardcore????? Doesnt this epitomize the very idea of an oxymoron? ------------- 
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 1:24pm
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Wasnt it only 40 years ago that Christians were saying that Rock 'N' Roll was Devil's music?
Lots of good music were smashed and destoryed.... Hmm. Appearently someone is doing a good job underneath the earth's crust in the P.R. department. ------------- 
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Posted By: ItalianoGuy04
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 1:33pm
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dada dun dun dun i'm loving it... i like creed thou... but they broke up... ------------- 
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Posted By: ThEeViLcHiCkEn
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 1:43pm
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christian and hardcore dont really go good toghter
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 1:58pm
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40 years? Try last week... |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:10pm
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Norma jean is one of my favorite bands off all time. I need to see them in concert. Also, about the christion rock...they arent pushing "christian" lryics in their songs its just that they are all christians. It is not like they are promoting "god". ------------- |
Posted By: MuRdoc18
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:24pm
Creed was not christian nor were they hardcore.
Why not? The way its used is to say its extreme or extremely loyal christian music. But then again its all just music to me... too many labels. Anyways i was just at a norma jean show last week. It was norma jean, chariot, stretch armstrong, and underoath. Sweet concert but too many little kids wereing girl's jeans. I had fun smackin em down in the mosh pits. ------------- 
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:35pm
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The only christian hardcore band that i know of is underoath and they
suck. I dont listen to christian rock because it is so pathetic.
If you want god, go to chruch and be more active in your church's
community. If you want to listen to music, listen to something good.
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Posted By: MuRdoc18
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:40pm
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and if you want to talk to a ingnorant teenager go to this kid^
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:44pm
exactly. I am ignorant and i am expressing my opinion. If you don't like it, don't post. and just so you know, underoath is a christian hardcore crap band. ------------- YONK~!~ |
Posted By: MuRdoc18
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:51pm
So was I, and i can take it. **edit** and dude there are alot of christian bands out there that are not crap. but i dont know your taste so... -------------
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:52pm
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Posted By: A5 guy
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:56pm
Please, look around a little more people! Has anybody heard of Life Fest? Just because people are christians doesnt mean they cant have hard core music. I hear christian music thats so hard I cant even understand what they are saying. I admit that christian rock isnt all that good most of the time. But they are getting better. I think you guys have a small view of a big subject....look into christian music more and you will find its not just the glory glory hold your hand in the air stuff. Check out these pictures from life fest http://www.lifelightfest.com/home/2004/photos/index.html - Pictures of life fest ------------- Sales rep for Engler Custom Paintball Guns, LLC http://home.att.net/~ericdengler/paintball.htm - Check out the Web Site! Questions about our products? Or you want to buy one? PM me |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 2:58pm
Show me in the bible where we it anything about not listening to hard rock or moshing.................You can't. Your going by what you've heard from bible extremists and have idea what your talking about. I challenge anyone. And 40 years ago Elvis was thought to be evil. Times change and now that more christian youth want to rock, they're going to. It's not a sin to do so......... ------------- 
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:02pm
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wait a min....Underoath is christian rock???? holy crapzor! Fear before the march of flames sounds pretty good when i listened to em at FYE, but i cant stand christian rock so nevermind them. ------------- 
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:11pm
Are you so ignorant that you like music and find out the genre and hate it??? I can't even say what I want for fear of a strike.......... -------------
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:12pm
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^I had a hard time believing underoath was christian rock too.
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:27pm
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I went to Autum Blaze on saturday (a huge Christian rock concert at the
Continental Airline Arena). There were 16,000 people there.
The only reason that I went was because I'm a youth counceler and I got
in for free. I was really suprised by a band called
"Skillet". Their music is really hard core and I was sitting
there thinking "This is really stupid... God would hate this..."
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:27pm
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Alot of Hardcore bands are "christian", not because they sing about god or anything, but because they are xXx (StraightEdge). Anyway. Im not the biggest fan of Hardcore music in general, but I have seen NormaJean live before. I saw them here in Orlando at The Social (the place where they started playing at)They have tons of energy on stage, and I personally dont know how the lead singer dosent shoot his voice-box out singing like he does. They are one of the few Hardcore bands I see live, becuase usually the pits at hardcore shows suck. You dont just get the pushing/shoving of punk pits, they will karatechop and kick you to death, (or "hardcore dance" as the kiddies like to say). Its just not that good of a show when you have to worry about getting your skull knocked in all night. ------------- 
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Posted By: RenegadeGopher
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:41pm
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Christians are retarded. Slipknot sucks. Hatebreed is full of sewage. End of this. ------------- 
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:47pm
I said they were pretty good, i never said i liked them, i listened to em some more before i made this post and didnt like them, now that i know they are christian rock i dont like them even more. Just like what renegadegopher said i dont like christians, let alone religion so im not going to listen to their music. Why do you even care? -------------
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 3:52pm
So in you sick world, they're pretty good really means I don't like them? And I care because it's people like you that sit back and call christians ignorant and non open-minded. -------------
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:12pm
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^Who really cares?? the punisher sucks.
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Posted By: Civilian Of
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:18pm
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so what.. its like ::screaming:: JESUS LOVES YOU ::headbangs:: ::screams more:: ooo JESUS WILL SAVE YOU ::screams quotes from bible:: Sounds like a grand ol' time to me.. |
Posted By: Variable
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:22pm
It is a problem because slipknot is anything but heavy. -------------
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:23pm
So you have never been to a christian rock concert, nor have you seen one from TV. From what you've wrote you didn't even take time to go on the internet and read some lyrics. Your just as sad as vision. -------------
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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:25pm
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ive listened to skillet before, i have one of their CDs, but i stopped listening to them cause it really got annoying, its like really bad rock that talks about God, and most of the stuff they say isnt part of the Bible and God probably wouldn like it. Now i listen a lot to a band called Pillar. My favorite song by them is called Holding On, I also like third day (fav song by them is creed), switch foot is really good too (fav song is I dare You to Move) then I have lots and lots of other various christian atrists. My only problem with Pillar is that their old CDs are under the Christian genre but their new CDs are under the Rock genre, i dont understand... |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:29pm
not really, im not a fan of noma jean (the headbanging stuff), i cant stand stuff that hardcore, but the music i listen to is fluent, not the breaks or screams in it, and there is a lot of bass and drums, some guitar, but not too much (well, i dont really notice it).. |
Posted By: Civilian Of
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 4:36pm
Your response was funny though |
Posted By: MuRdoc18
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:08pm
Have you heard pillar's cover of Sunday bloody Sunday? Freakin awesome song. -------------
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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:16pm
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:26pm
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i'm more of a christian ska/comp kind of guy.... CREATION!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: keithx
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:27pm
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i am still waiting for some "hardcore" bands to be named besides hatebreed... ------------- I prefer .223 over .68 --------------------- A-5 R/T Flatline w/ F/X SD shroud F/X Sniper stock Intruder Assault Foregrip SpecterGear CQB 3pt Sling Crossfire 68/4500 (coming soon) |
Posted By: For Honor
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:31pm
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boomstick just got:
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:32pm
that sig is just too funny^^ -------------
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:42pm
If I remember correctly, about a week ago, in some heated rap thread argument, you said that people should be open-minded and find some rap they could relate to or like. Now do you see the double standard? Seems like the rules change to fit your life, don't they? Your post was quite funny as well. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:45pm
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First, take a great big chill pill. The mosh pits with which I am familiar are basically lame excuses for fighting. You go into the mosh pit expecting to get a broken nose, and disappointed if you're not bleeding when you leave. And that I DO consider inconsistent with contemporary American Protestant Christianity. Maybe your mosh pits involve holding hands, but mine involve headbutts and flying elbows. Now, on to your larger point: 40 years? You have got to be kidding. Check the 700 Club - those guys are talking about Satanic music all the time. Or just check your local evangelical pastor. Ozzie, Marylin, Def Leppard(!), Judas Priest - the list goes on of modern-day rock bands that have been accused of being "evil" in some form or other. You are right - there is no longer an across-the-board condemnation of all rock music by any large church. Whoop-de-do. Churches are still condemning music all the time. |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:50pm
Don't get the wrong idea of christians by what a few loud mouth people say. The majority of christians arent like that. Im not, my family isn't, but if a christian says anything is wrong(like homosexuality) then it immediately becomes christians are arogant and un-open minded. No, we believe what we believe, and I don't have to sleep with a male and try it out to be open-minded and realize I'm not homosexual(not directed at Clark Kent) Yes, some churches do condemn music, but the majority of churches don't, if you talked to most people in church they listen to something other than "christian" music. You can be a christian and listen to more than praise songs and hymns. -------------
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:51pm
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Will you just stop, no one is going to listen to you and visa versa. You sound like a PMS'ing 13 year old. -------------
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:52pm
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Everyone just stop arguing about christian rock. It is not worth arguing over becuase it sucks.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:52pm
five iron frenzy > you -------------
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:53pm
Coming from someone who just got owned. Nice attempt to cover up your pain.................. -------------
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Posted By: keithx
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:53pm
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there is a HUGE difference between the mosh pit at the ozzfest and the moshing that goes on at real hardcore shows... the kids who listen to norma jean, etc. are into this whole "fashion core" or "metal core" movement... they wear girls jeans, have horrible haircuts, and talk about being tough even though they weigh 90 pounds soaking wet... so they are disliked by both hardcore kids and old long haired metal heads...
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:53pm
he made a good point and that's yer response to it? -------------
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:55pm
Thank you shocker, cause he never would have admitted I had a point. -------------
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:55pm
maybe. I don't listen to much christian rock. I'm just saying all this stuff so people will get pissed. ------------- YONK~!~ |
Posted By: Civilian Of
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 5:57pm
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Plus ive listend to Christian rock, and I dont like it. Therfore I wouldnt ever need to look up lyrics for it because im not going to listen to it. Try not to make me look like a dumbass on things ive said weeks ago that you are trying to counter me on. For once I wasnt trying to start anything. Though if you like, it can keep going. |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 6:01pm
Ive only disagreed with you on one other thing, rap. And I disagree with everyone on rap. Not picking on you in general. I agree, I probably should give rap more a chance, just people like Lil Jon ruin it for me. No ones perfect. I wouldnt have said anything if in the rap thread you would have just said "I like rap and I don't care if anyone else does". I just find it when I say I have listened to rap and don't like it, you said we should be open-minded and find some we like, then go and make a comment you havn't really given that much of a chance. -------------
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Posted By: Civilian Of
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 6:06pm
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Tis all a misunderstanding. Time to eat |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 7:06pm
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Certainly true. BUT, while not all (and not most) Christians are talking about Satanic music, pretty much ZERO non-Christians are talking about Satanic music. Tipper Gore complains about music, but she doesn't call it Satanic (although I do believe she is is a Christian), and her biggest beef is with rap. As a result, it is not surprising that people associate churches with complaining about rock music. It certainly is an unfair generalization, but it isn't wrong. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 7:08pm
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 8:57pm
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Im sorry tippy but you obviously cant tell when someone, such as myself, doesnt give a crap what you think of me or what i say. The fact of the matter is, I HATE CHRISTIAN ROCK. Nothing you do will change my mind. Its not worth arguing over, i never cared in the first place, and you never had to open your big mouth and turn this into a religious debate. You can go on thinking you "owned" me but how can you "own" someone who doesnt give a damn in the first place. We really need Enos to lock this topic. -------------
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 9:06pm
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^^^I would want it locked if I were you to........ VisionImp - 0 Tippy_182- 1 -------------
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 9:19pm
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doesnt seem to get through your thick skull does it! I DONT CARE!!! -------------
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Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 9:19pm
I like the Skillet cd. I have almost played it out in the past 2 mounths though. I recently bought the new Pillar cd (Where do We Go From Here). It is really good as well. I found it in the Christian section of Wal-Mart though. ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 10:04pm
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Norma Jean is one of the few Christian or Hardcore bands that I like, and certainly the only band that can claim to be both...
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Posted By: keithx
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 10:52pm
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they claim to be hardcore... but don't play hardcore ------------- I prefer .223 over .68 --------------------- A-5 R/T Flatline w/ F/X SD shroud F/X Sniper stock Intruder Assault Foregrip SpecterGear CQB 3pt Sling Crossfire 68/4500 (coming soon) |
Posted By: MuRdoc18
Date Posted: 04 October 2004 at 11:16pm
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zao > you all
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Posted By: A5 guy
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 11:31am
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Im convinced that alot of people here are 13yr olds with all these posts that dont make any sense.
People here seem to have judged God before they even attempt to understand him better. Read and learn about him more....dont just judge something when you know nothing about. And dont just say...."God would hate this" God takes praise in all forms....Rap,Rock etc..... But like it was said before there are christian extremists that are just stupid about listening to music. But you have to admit bands like Marilyn Manson are evil! This is a little bit on his CD Antychrist superstar. Angry lyrics promote murder, suicide, perverse eroticism and a satanic distaste for Christianity. Lines include: "You can kill yourself now because you're dead in my mind" ("Man That You Fear"), "I am the **edited**got anti-pope" ("1996"), "Saw heaven and hell were lies/When I'm God everyone dies" ("The Reflecting God"), "I've got abortions in my eyes . . . I wasn't born with enough middle fingers" ("Irresponsible Hate Anthem"), "I am the dinner whore . . . The world spreads its legs for another star" ("Little Horn"), "I will bury your God in my warm spit" ("Deformography")-a small sampling of nearly 80 obscenity-strewn minutes of nihilistic trash. This band is spiritually oppressive, socially irresponsible and downright hateful. One line from their song "The Minute of Decay" betrays Manson's destructive course and dangerous agenda for teens: "I'm on my way down now/I'd like to take you with me." Bad news! And its known that he he worships and fellows the devil....thats what they said on MTV. Not just christians should make a fight about bands like this...but everyone....this band has nothing good about it! I do like Marlyn Manson's beats in some of his music.....but thats all. ------------- Sales rep for Engler Custom Paintball Guns, LLC http://home.att.net/~ericdengler/paintball.htm - Check out the Web Site! Questions about our products? Or you want to buy one? PM me |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 12:17pm
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Marilyn Manson and I are both excommunicated Mormans but does that make us bad people? No.
Here are a few qoutes from said rocker. NO WE ARE NOT DEVIL WORSHIPPERS!!! I've never been and never will be a satan worshipper or someone who worships a devil. ~ Marilyn Manson. MTV appearently was wrong. and Your 'God' is cerebral masturbation and Satan is your sorry excuse." ~Marilyn Manson If his music doesnt suit your tastes dont listen. But dont say that others shouldn't based on your beliefs. -------------
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 2:06pm
But to wear an inverted pentogram(sign of satanism) all over everything, thats got to mean something. And to say that we shouldn't tell you not to listen to them IS my beliefs. I can't force you to do anything, thats strictly just my opinion. It would be the same as you telling someone not to buy an Impulse, due to what you believe(religiously or not). And to answer your question about "God promoting descrimination".(In a previous thread) God says be weary, just the same as you would if someone walked up to you with a bomb. I understand what you saying, someone with a bomb with intent to kill and a homosexual man are hardly the same, a homosexual isn't half as bad as a murderer. In the bible it says "All sins are the same in the eyes of God". And if you would read farther it never says do not engage with homosexuals, because its our job to seek and save the lost. It just says be weary. It's easy to distort the bible by taking one passage and base the rest on assumption. -------------
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 2:15pm
-Bleeding Through -Norma Jean -Six Feet Under (well they are more like deathmetal) -Old Underoath (They got a new singer so it isnt as hardcore anymore) -Everytime I die -Some Glassjaw -Older Eighteen Visions -Poison the well -Most of From Autumn to Ashes -Zao -As I Lay Dying -Chimaira -Killswitch engage -Atreyu ------------- |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 2:16pm
Wow. Just wow. I am listneing to their CD now but you dont consider them hardcore? Just wow. If you want to get techincal, they are a mix of "New" and "Old" Hardcore. ------------- |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 3:25pm
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 3:32pm
I am ignorant and i am expressing my opinion. If you don't like it, don't post. Oh, sweet irony. In one breath, "I'm entitled to my opinion!" and in the next "If your opinion differs from mine, keep your mouth shut!" ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 3:35pm
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The Crucified, Tourniquet, Seventh Angel, Mortification, Vengeance Rising... All examples of hardcore, Christian heavy metals bands who put most of today's metal to shame.
And, no, "Christian" and "heavy metal" are not incompatable. The popular church chooses to be closed minded. That's their problem. There's a difference between being religious and being a Christian. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: A5 guy
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 5:23pm
Where did you get this info from? Please....I dont buy it. He sold his soul to the devil and has on his own personal web site. quoted from an interview. Interviewer - Is it true that you really sold your soul to the devil? Marilyn Manson - Yes in my younger years I sold my soul to the devil and never once since that day have I ever regretted that decision, I believe that he helped me get where I am today. Interviewer - Who was one of the biggest influences in your life? Marilyn Manson - It must have been LaVey [The leader of all who sell their soul]. His picture is on the front of the satin book. He opened my eyes and made me realise the real things going on in this world. He joined in the church of satan. Come on...you dont think worship is a part of it?
Like I said....I like the sound of his music. But this isnt all about my beliefs....listen to what his lyrics have to say. Nothing is good about them....not something depressed teens need to hear. His lyrics tell kids to kill themselfs because you dont have anything to live for. Real good stuff  ------------- Sales rep for Engler Custom Paintball Guns, LLC http://home.att.net/~ericdengler/paintball.htm - Check out the Web Site! Questions about our products? Or you want to buy one? PM me |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 7:25pm
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I love it when people prove my points for me.
Ok... so this = evil? Listened to any Billy Joel lyrics recently? "Catholic girls start much too late?" How about Britney Spears? What about Barry White? Rolling Stones? 2 Live Crew? NWA? Their lyrics are surely also "spiritually oppressive, socially irresponsible" and, arguably, "downright hateful." GnR, Metallica, etc... Your argument applies equally to almost any pop music.
Assuming that I even believe in the devil, have you checked the First Amendment recently? Freedom of religion mean anything?
By that standard, Barry Manilow should be outlawed, not to mention most Christian rock.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 7:27pm
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And if I wear a cross, does that make me a Christian?
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 7:29pm
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*stunned silence* And upon this you base your views. My hope for the future of this country has officially plummeted. |
Posted By: keithx
Date Posted: 05 October 2004 at 7:44pm
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the inverted pentagram is actually a divine symbol from ancient days... the pentagram was actually used by king solomon... the catholic church went on a witch hunt to ban symbols as "evil" when in reality some of our (i was raised RC but dont practice) symbols are derived from pagans... Communion was taken from the Egyptians who turned "Ra" into bread.... Christmas was the pagan holiday for the winter equinox... Satanism isn't "devil worship"... its the opposite of christianity which teaches you to accept gods plan... it teaches you to question it and do what you want... the core of satanism comes from the story of lucifer being cast out of heaven for wanting to be god and that christianity in turn is an oppressive religion... religion serves two purposes 1) to act as a basis for morality, 2) to provide comfort in the unknown... religion also used to serve a third as a control for the people... if you look at older civilizations you'll see that the priest ranked right up there with the king... look at a chess board... who is right next to the king and queen... the bishop... which goes back to religion being oppressive.... "religion is the opiate of the masses" karl marx glassjaw, those bands aren't hardcore... they are that "metalcore" subgenre... which includes screechy guitars, chugga chugga beats, and terrible people... ------------- I prefer .223 over .68 --------------------- A-5 R/T Flatline w/ F/X SD shroud F/X Sniper stock Intruder Assault Foregrip SpecterGear CQB 3pt Sling Crossfire 68/4500 (coming soon) |
Posted By: A5 guy
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 12:10am
True...I was too broad in my argument. But he takes it way past other bands. Have you seen any Marilyn Manson concerts? None go as far as he does. You dont see anything evil & wrong with Marilyn Manson?
My point wasnt that he didnt have the right to worship the devil. But if you had sold your soul to the devil dont you think worshiping him would be next? He joined in the church of satan. Come on...you dont think worship is a part of it? I was making my point to Hades. ------------- Sales rep for Engler Custom Paintball Guns, LLC http://home.att.net/~ericdengler/paintball.htm - Check out the Web Site! Questions about our products? Or you want to buy one? PM me |
Posted By: A5 guy
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 12:12am
Common sense my friend. My views arent based just on this interview. I think you need to learn more about Marilyn Manson. ------------- Sales rep for Engler Custom Paintball Guns, LLC http://home.att.net/~ericdengler/paintball.htm - Check out the Web Site! Questions about our products? Or you want to buy one? PM me |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 2:33pm
He doesn't care anymore because things aren't going his way. Its all fine when nobody can put up a valid argument, but when someone does it gets to where "name-calling" is common. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:05pm
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I own several MM CDs and have been to a concert (have you?) I think MM's music is very enjoyable and emotional. His lyrics are sometimes insightful, often trite. On Satan-worship. A - I don't believe that MM worships the devil. I think it's just for show, to make 14-year-olds buy his records. B - To the extent that it isn't to make 14-year-olds buy his records, he uses Satanism as a convenient symbol for emotional darkness. Standard goth stuff. C - Even if he does worship the devil, I just don't care. The only people I know who worhip the devil are pathetic teenagers with no girlfriends. It's harmless and stupid. People used to say that Ozzie worshipped the devil. Now he gets invited to the White House. People used to say that the Beatles were Satanic - now your grandma listens to them. People used to say that Def Leppard(!) were Satanic - now they're on the easy listening channel. "Satanic" is just a convenient label applied by narrow-minded people to music they don't like and understand, and often have not even listened to. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:14pm
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ROFL! christian hardcore... just another tactic of a church horribly out of date trying to reach out to a new generation
all christian music except gospel should be banned[no, not relly, but it sucks] |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:31pm
Go up to your priest or w/e you have and ask him/her if they konw of a band called Norma Jean. Tactic my ass. ONCE AGAIN they are not representing churches or gospels or what ever the hell you want to call them. They believe in christ, and some are Straight Edge. They aren't convicing you to become christian, they are only doing what they like. That is to make music. Here want some more proof? Lyrics to a Norma Jean song- Leech with two daughters. "Give give they cry." Her name is, she is a liar. I refuse to be hers. A kiss from her is one of the grave. Bullets by her mouthfull an enemy at the six. She Simply will not die. ------------- |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:36pm
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:39pm
I seem to. 7 entries found for Priest.priest https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DPriest"> P Pronunciation Key (pr st)n.
If not referring to what you believed was a wrong spelling, I was giving an example. ------------- |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:42pm
| huh? i did no such thing, i simply do not know any priests |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:46pm
Ahh misunderstood your post. ------------- |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:49pm
Did it ever occour to you that things change? Christian music will change just like every other music. Your not still playing speedball with a 96 autococker, things change over time. And If you don't know of any preist, then go call a church and ask. My dads a pastor(not called a preist because were baptist) and people call him up all the time to ask questions. Most preachers will be glad to answer any question you ask. -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:54pm
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tippy182- au contraire, I may just BE using a 96 cocker.
btw, most of the churches around here actively try and recruit kids by having them join "youth group" which includes tons of "christian rock" |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:57pm
Yea, you just may, but must people have moved on. Like some people still listen to gospel, but most have moved on to something different. And what was your youth group comment supposed to prove(not meant in a hostile way, don't want this to become a scream-fest). -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:57pm
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Sounds pretty Satanic to me...
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:59pm
Glassjaw- copy and paste the rest of the song. Im curious to find out what the song is really about. -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 8:59pm
good, no one wants a scream fest, posting sound files is tedious :) anyway, that goes towards ratifying my point that it is part of a church plan to win over new converts |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 9:02pm
I understood that, but in a way it sounds like your proving my point for me, that christians can rock. -------------
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 9:05pm
| what? i thought you were just disagreeing with me? who said christians cant rock? they just end up making sucky music, sucky preachy music |
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 9:08pm
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I garuntee if your a rock fan, if you actually looked into more than
one christian rock band, you would find something you liked. Thats like hearing normal rock for the first time and not liking it so you turn it down. -------------
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Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 9:15pm
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Listen to skillet or Pillar. Pillar has a song played often on FUSE. It is called "Bring Me Down" ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 9:18pm
| what is fuse? |
Posted By: MuRdoc18
Date Posted: 06 October 2004 at 9:25pm
What music do you listen to? You look like half a  , so i can take a guess.-------------
Member of Forumer Against Most Forumers. |