what's even more ironic is that paintballers face the same trials and tribulations when some idiot shoots up cars or pedestrians with a paintball gun and the liberal media fights to ban the sport because its so dangerous...

more people are injured and killed in car accidents than by legally purchased and owned firearms... but god forbid i took away some soccer mom's bmw....

the legal owner of the firearm should be held personally accountable for the kid's death... i don't care if its his own father... he was not responsibly storing his firearms...

Okay junior

This topic pisses me off more than anything.

Accidents happen, sure, but what's needed is more EDUCATION not LEGISLATION.

Who are the kids that get hurt by firearms? Are the they kids who grew up sport shooting and hunting? No. they're usually the kids, who, probably like you, were taught that guns are taboo, and are evil. Then, when they get their hands on one for the first time, they do something stupid. Dazed is absolutely right.

I've been sport shooting for as long as I can remember, and the only accident I ever had was missing my target.

If you want to hate guns because they're dangerous, I want to hear you start complaining about cars too. They're dangerous aren't they? Don't people get killed by cars? Maybe we should all start hating and avoiding them.

Riddle me this batman: There's a baseball bat, a pair of pliers, and a loaded, cocked 9mm on a table.

Which of these three implements sitting on that table can kill someone?

...Give up? None of them. In order for ANY of them to be fatal, A human being has to pick them up and be put to use.

I PERSONALLY saw an accident once where a kid was gutshot by a loaded .44 

Did I start blaming the gun? Did I start preaching more gun laws and stricter bans? Hell no. I blamed the moron who picked up the gun and pointed it at his friend. I blamed the owner of the gun for not properly storing it, I blamed the father of the kids involved for not properly teaching the little nincompoops the power of what he held in his hands.

Education. Use your God-given brain, and you won't have any problems. 

Have you ever fired a gun in your life? I find that the majority of people who take your side of the fence haven't. Shoot a few hundred rounds then come back and argue from expirience, not just basing an argument on something you saw on the news. There's no denying people get hurt, but if we started rejecting things as a society that hurt people, we'd all be reduced to sitting in loincloths on a rubber mat with out fingers taped together.

Get a clue.   

well dazed the problem with storing loaded guns is the bullets/cartages become rusted over a period of time, which means your gun wont fire correctly or reload. it varies from the area your in, some places are more humid than others, which can make the bullet become rusted faster.  I belive that everyone should be able to own a gun, but a 7-14 day waiting period and a back ground check isnt enough. i think everyone who wants to own a gun should have to pass a gun safty class.

yes, parents should tell there little crum snatchers about the dangers of a gun, just like they should tell them not to smoke, the reality is they dont. from the time i was born till the time i turned 14 my parents had never told me anything about guns. my mom signed my brothers, and i in a  gun safty class, which just gives you the basics (where the safty is, parts of a gun, ect.) it helped me understand a lot more about gun safty, the effects of a loaded gun, im kinda glad i took the class now ( i wasnt then) cuz i like to shoot everything my parents will let me.

just some of my lose change.

I dont even care if some guy blew his brains out or his friends brains out.

I blame most Gun downed people on the media, They always report how much death and destruction we have per day instead of the good things in life/War, like We just Arrested one of the Prime dudes in Al Quida, who has orginized Several Car Bombings, and did CNN/FOX News/ABC Report that? No...

I Heard that from a guy who was pissed that they didn't report that.

I dont even care if some guy blew his brains out or his friends brains out.

I blame most Gun downed people on the media, They always report how much death and destruction we have per day instead of the good things in life/War, like We just Arrested one of the Prime dudes in Al Quida, who has orginized Several Car Bombings, and did CNN/FOX News/ABC Report that? No...

I Heard that from a guy who was pissed that they didn't report that.

PaintballkidEPS wrote: reb cpl im a sniper and im backin u up snipers arent the only ones with stealth because how do they sneak when they dont even move duh!? and this makes me angry the fault isnt the gun its the parents for not teaching the kid not to point a gun at his friends forehead and the kids for not makin sure the gun is on safe and not loaded

What in the heck are you talking about???????

cadet_sergeant wrote: Dazed wrote:  Hopefully anyone who has a gun knows enough to keep it in working condition. kinda like having a condom and not using it  If you don't, you deserve whatever accident you have. Do you know how silly it is to be worried enough about home defense to buy a gun, then not keep it loaded? I'm not talking about every gun in the house. Keep the majority locked up when not it use, or at least seperated from their ammo shotguns and rifles should be locked up, hand guns are the only guns you should be using for security, yes this mean that pump shotgun, but you can keep the revolver. But you can't claim to have a gun for self defense if you keep it rendered incapable of self defense. agreed but you cant have a gun where a 7 year old could find it, and blow little jonny's brains out all over the street cadet_sergeant wrote: yes, parents should tell there little crum snatchers about the dangers of a gun, just like they should tell them not to smoke, the reality is they dont. The reality is that it is still their fault, regardless of the fact that most do not. thats what i was trying to say. It is no fault of mine, the government, or the kid that they are crappy parents. That is their fault and they should be the ones to answer for it. rexplane that im a little lost You can't deflect the blame just because people are to lazy to raise their kids right on any front. Thats dumber than having a self defense weapon un-loaded and locked away. atleast where the child wouldnt look. if a selfdefence weapon, is properly maintained and the right caution is takin to keep the gun out of the child reach and the child has been told the dangers of the gun, yet he still manages to.... take it to school and shoot his teacher, what do you think should happen?

How could you be any more wrong? Only handguns for security? Why, might I ask? I use my shotgun for security, because it is by far the best weapon for close-range shooting. Don't have to be as accurate, and I don't have to worry about whether or not 1 shot will incapacitate him. Because believe me, 00 buckshot will! My shotgun holds 7 in the magazine, and I can still keep it locked while it is loaded. If someone comes inside, I unlock it (takes maybe 3-5 seconds in the dark) jack a shell in, and I'm ready to rock. Go ahead, bring a pistol. I could blow your entire upper body away in 1 blast, aiming only in your general direction. AND I can keep it stored safely, ready to be used if I need it.

in states like new jersey its harder to get a handgun than it is a shotgun.... so does that mean if i don't own a handgun i have no right to protect my home?

handguns are actually considered "more dangerous" because they are easily handled by children... children readily associate them with toy guns, so they know how to use them... if the only gun knowledge you had came from playing nintendo duck hunt... would you be able to shoot a handgun or a shotgun? thats why there is the youth handgun safety act which was put into effect to help prevent a minor from obtaining a handgun...

my USP45 with hydrashoks will drop someone... but at random hours of the night in a dark house after being startled awake.... i'd rather grab my benelli with m3 illuminator and low recoil 00 buck... tactically its a better choice... there is less chance of you missing... less chance of over penetration... and your attacker is not getting back up (even if they have body armor, level II may stop 00 buck but 9 pellets to the chest at close range is putting you on the ground)... and you might not even have to fire it, shotguns are way more intimidating than any handgun (aside from an S&W 500 or Desert Eagle) from the sound of chambering a round to their overall appearance...

but other than that... i would rather see more education.... i've had friends that were totally anti-gun... i have a girlfriend who was totally anti-gun... after a trip to the range those same friends are filling out paperwork for the NJ FID card and my girlfriend was shooting a 1/2" group with my .17hmr at 30yds... and she even compensated for the scope being zeroed at 200yds and put the 1/2" in the 10 ring... people fear what they don't know or understand... and rather than understand they make laws to inhibit our freedoms because certain people are to mentally incapable to handle these freedoms... the majority should not be held accountable for the actions of a few....

JBird33 wrote: cadet_sergeant wrote: Dazed wrote:  Hopefully anyone who has a gun knows enough to keep it in working condition. kinda like having a condom and not using it  If you don't, you deserve whatever accident you have. Do you know how silly it is to be worried enough about home defense to buy a gun, then not keep it loaded? I'm not talking about every gun in the house. Keep the majority locked up when not it use, or at least seperated from their ammo shotguns and rifles should be locked up, hand guns are the only guns you should be using for security, yes this mean that pump shotgun, but you can keep the revolver. But you can't claim to have a gun for self defense if you keep it rendered incapable of self defense. agreed but you cant have a gun where a 7 year old could find it, and blow little jonny's brains out all over the street cadet_sergeant wrote: yes, parents should tell there little crum snatchers about the dangers of a gun, just like they should tell them not to smoke, the reality is they dont. The reality is that it is still their fault, regardless of the fact that most do not. thats what i was trying to say. It is no fault of mine, the government, or the kid that they are crappy parents. That is their fault and they should be the ones to answer for it. rexplane that im a little lost You can't deflect the blame just because people are to lazy to raise their kids right on any front. Thats dumber than having a self defense weapon un-loaded and locked away. atleast where the child wouldnt look. if a selfdefence weapon, is properly maintained and the right caution is takin to keep the gun out of the child reach and the child has been told the dangers of the gun, yet he still manages to.... take it to school and shoot his teacher, what do you think should happen? How could you be any more wrong? Only handguns for security? Why, might I ask? I use my shotgun for security, because it is by far the best weapon for close-range shooting. Don't have to be as accurate, and I don't have to worry about whether or not 1 shot will incapacitate him. Because believe me, 00 buckshot will! My shotgun holds 7 in the magazine, and I can still keep it locked while it is loaded. If someone comes inside, I unlock it (takes maybe 3-5 seconds in the dark) jack a shell in, and I'm ready to rock. Go ahead, bring a pistol. I could blow your entire upper body away in 1 blast, aiming only in your general direction. AND I can keep it stored safely, ready to be used if I need it.

im tired i hardly think i'll remember this when i wake up, night y'all.

in a lot of states the use of deadly force relies on the amount of force being used against you... if you shoot to wound... then the argument can be made that the intruder was not presenting enough of a threat to justify you using a gun... however if you shoot to kill they can't even question it... dudes dead, he's in my home, he had a gun...

NJ is one of these terrible states that believes that i should rely on the police to take their sweet time to "save poor helpless me".... pennsylvania my friend chambered a shell in his remington 870 when some crazy drunk mexicans tried to walk in his front door and put the barrel in their faces... and the police said "oh yea they can't come in your house"... if that was NJ those mexicans would own my house, guns, car, and i'd be in jail...

Dazed wrote: Everything I've seen here says "store your gun safely", which I'm guessing means either unloaded, or in a not-easily accessible place. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of buying a gun for home protection? The purpose of the gun is to be there to be used should you ever need it, not get you killed trying to get it out of the safe, get the gun lock off, and get it loaded.

i agree with you on the fact that the parents chould teach their kids to respect weapons of any sort. but they do make safes that when you open them they position the pistol to the correct possition so you just have to grab it and cock it back.

this thread is going to get outa hand.

Dazed wrote:  If you don't, you deserve whatever accident you have. Do you know how silly it is to be worried enough about home defense to buy a gun, then not keep it loaded? I'm not talking about every gun in the house. Keep the majority locked up when not it use, or at least seperated from their ammo shotguns and rifles should be locked up, hand guns are the only guns you should be using for security, yes this mean that pump shotgun, but you can keep the revolver.

the reason i would use a shotgun and many other poeple use a shotgun for... is first of all, if someone breaks into your house they in my opinion are asking to be shot . and second, i would use a shotgun because it spreads and if i were to use a .357 magnum i dont want it going through the wall and hitting  a member of my family that is sleeping.

JBird33 wrote: Just seems to me that there is a lot of anti-gun zealots runnin' around in this thread that are passionate yet uneducated.

guns don't kill people, people kill people...

Enos Shenk wrote: Whats even MORE ironic is i have a sunkist soda.

i would like to thank you for summing up this topic   now we need to allow it to die

I think parents shouldent try to hide there guns my parrent tought me the dos and donts of guns at a very young age an i have never even wanted to go find them. Small children havev a fastination with things there not suposed to do so trying to hide them is ther worst thing you can do. by the age of 10 i was playing with my fathers .44 buy i knew to check if it was loaded.

P.S. yes i know i am a hillbuilly and a red neck but o well!!!