Why wont tippmann make a gun that shoots more than 20 bps? i mean seriously nobody can really compete in arena ball with a gun that doesn't shoot fast enough. Yes i know that players say that it's not the gun that makes the player...but it sure wud help! O.k, i have an A-5 and everyone ive talked to is going to ditch that and get an intimidator or shocker, tippmann you have to stay with the competiotion!the A-5 is not only heavy but shoots slow even with the e-grip cranked up on turbo. I think you and your developers should go into a meeting at tippmann headquarters and plan a light,fast,appealing gun. I know that tippmann doesn't have a legecy of areana play,it's usually for woods. But everyone knows that paintball is moving fast,it's turning more into a sport than a rampage through the woods shooting people. I love tippmann and i always will but it would be nice if i could buy an awsome gun that i could say to my friends with DM4's "man i can kick ur butt anyday with my tippmann"

Um so if you don't want to use tippmann guns for "arena ball" then maybe you should go buy that DM4

You say that the Paintball Industry is growing, which is true, and a big part of that growth is new players.  From what I know, a lot of new players start out with tippmanns, so obviously tippmann doesn't need to be making $1200 guns to stay on top of the business like they already are.

Reguardless of the opinions you may get here, I spoke with a Tippmann tech ans he said that they are working on something new.

The tech's happen to have an Intimidator board on hand.................................

Thats what this is for:

I'm a diehard tippmann user, but If they sell out to the fancy painthose god gun buyers, I'm gonna be let down severely. They don't need to do that. They've got the rec market cornered. There's no need to cater to the morons who need to shoot 20 bps.

MetallicaESPa5 wrote: ^ you have to think about money though, and how tippmann could benefit to it.

You should remember, Tippmann is not only making money in the US, theyre making money outside the US, inwhich the "All Mighty Dollar is a considered Gold".

Bah. I don't care what people think I sound like.

I don't see the purpose of being able to shoot so bloody fast. if it's a requirement in 'speedball' then how come stock class players can get away with their markers on the same type of fields?

I've played speedball myself against electros and fancified space guns, using my barely stock 98c, (it had a rocket cock and a J&J ceramic) I'm not gonna say I WON, but for a woodsballer by trade, I did rather well. I plan on taking my carbine on the speedball course sometime soon.

The only people that shoot 20+BPS are the people that NEED to.

Did I read that right, or did someone say the reb was "newbish."    Heh, sure, you go girl.

It's not all about speed. 

Things like efficiency, consistancy, less recoil and an anti-chop eye are huge factors.

I personally think it will happen.

The Man wrote:    In Speedball it's almost a requirment to be able to shoot fast

.......the how come ive taken by brothers friend (who as an Alias timmy) out with my pro/carbine BEFORE i got my latest upgrades......

Front-Assualt wrote: The Man wrote:    In Speedball it's almost a requirment to be able to shoot fast .......the how come ive taken by brothers friend (who as an Alias timmy) out with my pro/carbine BEFORE i got my latest upgrades......

Because you have more skill. Simple. Put someone up against you with the same amount of skill as you and an alias timmy and watch how you do.

MY guess before reading this thread was that in order to stay competitive in the high end market, you usually need to update a marker every so often so that its just that....competitive. Why waste money on R&D for thier high end marker that will have way more competition and prolly sell much less, when they can make something good just once, and do nothing but make money off that?

I still want to know the ansewr to my question, that noone on the other side of the fence answered.

What about stock class tournaments?

So..unless I have a miracle marker..I can't play tourney ball?

It really makes me wonder why Tippmann sold their company to an investment group who is trying to figure out how to make more money yet the key members stayed on board.  any conjectures?

What I discussed with the Tippmann tech was the fact that they aren't going to get the Timmy, Trix, Angel etc. buyer to cross the fence with a new product but rather keep the Tippmann owners that are looking for something different from crossing the fence.  It wouldn't mean that they would have to stop building A-5's and 98's they could just offer an addition to the line-up. Sales are being lost here.

In my opinion it makes no sense for a company to build a new high tech facility to continue to do the same thing.  If they are looking to increase profit while remaining unchanged a price drop should be about the only way to increase profit which earlier this year they inforced an across the board price fix which was an increase for many shops.

Time will tell but when they do come out with something new we'll all like it.

Another note. At TWC I played on both sides and my observation through the weekend was that the Tippmann team, on the average shot faster all weekend. It's alot easier to hold a gun with an RT or e grip on full auto all day than fan a trigger to the point that your hands are all cramped up.

The Man wrote: That's diffrent you all have stock class marker it's fair. But put a stock class team (With same skill leval) vs a speedball team with high end markers the speedball team will have an advantage.

I agree with The Man. He pretty much said exaclty what I was going to say.