Sniping is a Role. Same as Demolitions, General, Spy, etc....The only difference is that being a sniper can be adapted to any game. May it be Woodsball, Rec ball, or Scenario Ball. I do not believe that is is fair that people continue to bash snipers. Do people ever bash the guys running around w/ PVC pipes shooting Tanks? Or what about the guys who make Tanks? You need to take all this into consideration before anyone of you opens your mouth. think about it.

i am in fact a sniper, and i own a ghillie suit, and no matter how much that video emphasises the fact that camo is camo and if you are quiet and only shoot once you will not be found....it doenst matter. we have tools that give us the extra edge on regular players. a teammate of mine got 8 barrel tags when he was playin in the last scenario. what was he wearing? a ghillie suit. and where was he? lying on a trail, and as people walked by, he poked em and they were out. okay? so sniping DOES exist in paintball, it just has to be adapted to fit the differences in which there is between paintball and modern warfare.

Just htink about it everyone.....

-Hooligan-

Sniping is a Role. Same as Demolitions, General, Spy, etc....The only difference is that being a sniper can be adapted to any game. May it be Woodsball, Rec ball, or Scenario Ball. I do not believe that is is fair that people continue to bash snipers. Do people ever bash the guys running around w/ PVC pipes shooting Tanks? Or what about the guys who make Tanks? You need to take all this into consideration before anyone of you opens your mouth. think about it.

i am in fact a sniper, and i own a ghillie suit, and no matter how much that video emphasises the fact that camo is camo and if you are quiet and only shoot once you will not be found....it doenst matter. we have tools that give us the extra edge on regular players. a teammate of mine got 8 barrel tags when he was playin in the last scenario. what was he wearing? a ghillie suit. and where was he? lying on a trail, and as people walked by, he poked em and they were out. okay? so sniping DOES exist in paintball, it just has to be adapted to fit the differences in which there is between paintball and modern warfare.

Just htink about it everyone.....

-Hooligan-

So much to explain.......

    i want to point out that most players do not focus on stealth. they go along paths and attack objectives head on. Yes, there ARE players who DO sneak and use stealth, and NO this does not make them a sniper. And honestly.....did anyone ever make any statements about every other player traveling with a brass band and such? No.

    The difference between a sniper and a regular player is that of the art in which we play paintball. We dont attack head on, we dont follow commonly used trails, we can play all day w/o having to fire one shot if it wouldnt be beneficial to anyone. We can sit in wait for hours if it will benefit our team. We have patience, and above all....we MASTER the art of camoflauge, covert movement, the art of 1 well placed shot, recon, and of course we are a pshycological *sp?* factor. If you know a sniper is on the other team, you WILL think twice before crossin an open trail, or attacking the back of an objective. That hesitasion is exactly what we wait for. 

    How many people here can say that they played a full scenario game and shot less then 200 balls? i can...why? because when i shoot someone, they are the important players. they are not just some player, a sniper attacks players of importance. (generals, heavy weapons, demolitions, etc....) We go out on special missins for generals in scenario games that the average player, or group of players could not, such as assassinations of the other general, defense of bottlenecks, recon, ambushes, etc.....Yes, some players could do these thigns, but not to the same effect of a sniper.

    Example: Instead of sending 30 guys to hold a bottle neck or bridge, and have that many less people attackin a main objective, you could place 4 or 5 snipers and have the same effect. why? because the first people that move across the bridge, when eliminated, will not know where it came from. Of course at this point the rest of the other team fires like crazy and gets behind cover. And this whole time we havent fired another shot and are still unseen. Once the other team is behind a bunker or other form of cover, its simply target practice. A head will pop up here looking for someone...SPLAT. 1 more elimination, and at this point the sniper that fires moves to another spot. While this sniper moves, others have the job of covering the bridge. Basically......a few snipers can do what 30-40 regular players can do.

    Sniping is an art that you must perfect over a long period of time, it is not something that just anyone can do. I cant stress enough the fact that snipers are as much a part of paintball as the paintball itself. We keep it interesting, keep you wondering if you are next, keep you watching your back, and most of all keep you fearing the "Bang........Splat.....Out.....Silence".

ne more statments of ignorance i need to argue?
-Hooligan-

ne more statments of ignorance i need to argue?
-Hooligan-

Darur wrote: g2hooligan wrote: So much to explain.......     i want to point out that most players do not focus on stealth. they go along paths and attack objectives head on. Yes, there ARE players who DO sneak and use stealth, and NO this does not make them a sniper. And honestly.....did anyone ever make any statements about every other player traveling with a brass band and such? No.     The difference between a sniper and a regular player is that of the art in which we play paintball. We dont attack head on, we dont follow commonly used trails, we can play all day w/o having to fire one shot if it wouldnt be beneficial to anyone. We can sit in wait for hours if it will benefit our team. We have patience, and above all....we MASTER the art of camoflauge, covert movement, the art of 1 well placed shot, recon, and of course we are a pshycological *sp?* factor. If you know a sniper is on the other team, you WILL think twice before crossin an open trail, or attacking the back of an objective. That hesitasion is exactly what we wait for.      How many people here can say that they played a full scenario game and shot less then 200 balls? i can...why? because when i shoot someone, they are the important players. they are not just some player, a sniper attacks players of importance. (generals, heavy weapons, demolitions, etc....) We go out on special missins for generals in scenario games that the average player, or group of players could not, such as assassinations of the other general, defense of bottlenecks, recon, ambushes, etc.....Yes, some players could do these thigns, but not to the same effect of a sniper.     Example: Instead of sending 30 guys to hold a bottle neck or bridge, and have that many less people attackin a main objective, you could place 4 or 5 snipers and have the same effect. why? because the first people that move across the bridge, when eliminated, will not know where it came from. Of course at this point the rest of the other team fires like crazy and gets behind cover. And this whole time we havent fired another shot and are still unseen. Once the other team is behind a bunker or other form of cover, its simply target practice. A head will pop up here looking for someone...SPLAT. 1 more elimination, and at this point the sniper that fires moves to another spot. While this sniper moves, others have the job of covering the bridge. Basically......a few snipers can do what 30-40 regular players can do.     Sniping is an art that you must perfect over a long period of time, it is not something that just anyone can do. I cant stress enough the fact that snipers are as much a part of paintball as the paintball itself. We keep it interesting, keep you wondering if you are next, keep you watching your back, and most of all keep you fearing the "Bang........Splat.....Out.....Silence".   ne more statments of ignorance i need to argue? -Hooligan- I WILL SNIP-ERR U!!!!

anything else constructive?

EDIT: I believe the term "sniper" is being used very loosely here...of course you cant get the incredible range in pb that snipers use in real combat, but you CAN use the same tactics. What are you going to call someone who camos up, crawls around, gets to a good position, and eliminates with the least amount of ammo? Right...ill just call them a sniper thank you

well.....yall are mostly wrong. sorry, but you are.

first off....BearClaw. See, one of the many advantages of being a sniper is cost-efficency. No air-refills every 20 minutes, and 1k of paint will last you 2 scenario games, or 4-5 recball sesions. So i dont pay my arse off to play sniper either. And yes, there are always factors that can throw off your paintball (wind, temp, humidity, range, light, etc...) and as a sniper, it is our job to predict the affects that those current conditions will have on the flight of the paintball. Same happens in real life sniper situation....the sniper must predict the effects of the temp, wind, distance, mirage, lighting, elevation, etc.... so that when he does fire his shot, it will hit the target. we do the exact same thing. we take everything into consideration. we hardly miss.

First off, I would love to see you predict exactly how a paintball is going to fly.  Second off, there is no freakin' way in hell you could "hardly miss" unless you took two shots in your whole life and one hit while the other missed.  There is also no way that a 12yr old like yourself could have the dicipline required to take such a shot.  You can say you are dicisplined, but you are not THAT diciplined.

second...darur. <--this kid right here is why pre-pubesent children should not be allowed onto forums.

Frankly i dont appriciated being called a "pre-pubesent child" by an ignorant newb.

third....sawman. You are correct, you obviously cant get the same range, but we use the same tactics. What else would you call someone who will lay in wait for hours, wearing a ghillie suit, shooting 1 shot at a time, and getting 1 elimination per shot? We are snipers, the ONLY thing that we do not share w/ real snipers would be that of the distance.

Um, the term "Camper" comes to mind . . .

fourth....betterdays. Well son, i want to point out that in fact the 30-40 guys thing actually HAS happend, and im sure it happens quite frequently when snipers are deployed currectly. I blieve sawman also proved this point in his early post.....so if you could just quiet down about things you dont know....id appreciate it....thanks. Oh, and to make you feel even more like an idiot then you already should.....i know of, talked to, and played with ex-military snipers.....so uh......nope, they didnt think i was an idiot...oh, and wait a second....let me check....yeup, they were playing sniper too. huh, odd? i coulda sworn you knew all and were right bout everytnig....guess not. And you analogy about pilots and astronauts really makes no sense.....nothign has been stated that drastic.

I will beleive that statment if by "ex-military snipers" you mean 9 year olds that play "war" with GI Joe figures who flunked english.

For the record, the sig of Reb's I posted here was written by a forumer who just so happened to be an sniper instructer.  Funny, you dont see him calling himself a sniper.

fith....roadrunner. DUDE, your wrong. hush. regardless of what dictonaries say, a sniper is not JUST someone who shots from a concealed position. so many different things must be taken into acount before firing the shot, while firing the shot, while the shot has already been fired and is traveling to its target, and after the shot has hit its mark. i dont just shoot from a concealed position, otherwise i, like the others in this thread, would be basic noobs whos skill level never graduates because of thier close-mindedness. but no, im not that kind of person. sorry. so yes, snipers do exist.

You are not offering much proof that you are not a newb . . .

Once again, there is no way in hell you can be accurate with a paintball gun.  I conserve my paint, I use stealth, I even own a freakin' ghillie suit but do I run around calling myself a sniper?  Nope.

last, and surely not least.....WHAT DO YOU CALL A GUY WHO RUNS AROUND WITH PVC PIPE AND A NERF BALL? a demolitions man. when that nerf hits something does it blow up? nope. WHAT DO YOU CALL A BOX ON WHEELS WITH PEOPLE IN IT SHOOTING PAINT OUT OF LITTLE SLITS? a tank. but is it really a tank? no. So basically.....yall cant talk bad about snipers and say they dont exist if you dont want to call all the roles in paintball games fake.

Well, you see, the guy with the PVC Pipe, he acctually has a purpose.  And the tank, well theres nothing to confuse that with.  A sniper on the other hand only differs from your average player because the sniper is generally a 12 year old who thinks he (or she) alone uses stealth and conserves paint and that he (or she) is a sniper.

oh, and please everyone.....dont forget the fact that we are all copying something. are we all not copying real militants? the only difference is we are shooting paint. not bullets. so take your arguments to someone who cant answer them please. i think ive proven my point. snipers do exist. deal with it. and if anyone wants to challenge me and my fellow snipers, feel FREE to join us at PMI's Texas Throwdown. we will be the bushes that are continually shooting you and your $150 goggle systems......

 When I play, I certainetly am not coping "militants".  And you havent convinced me snipers exist, unless your definition of a sniper is a 12 yr old with ADHD who found out about mommy and daddy's computer and started playing.

-Hooligan-

i think that the term sniper is true to a certain extent...... a sniper can be anyone to someone that plays at the back covering off people to someone that trys to move up using camo to help eliminate opponents. So dont always bad talk the snipers but...u snipers out there u are only snipers to a ceratin extent. <<< u know wat if this solves the fight between u guys ("snipers" vs."everyone else") i was glad to help.......by tha way im a teen.....maybe tha future isnt so bad???

you know wat i think......i think that snipers CAN  be effective in paintball but i think that people are wasting ther money on buyinf like 20" barrels and all this upgraded stuff like stands and stuff (wat r u goin to do when ur tha last one left and your enemy's push u back r u gonna carry your 20 pound gun?) so im just saying snipers can be good if they can use their skills in the right way!

who says ur gonna be 40 feet away? (hmmm... lets see [lets use r sniper skills here] sneek up close and shoot 20 feet away) problem solved

u got nething to reply to that?

Well, it seems that you believe "campers" are an ineffective role in the sport of paintball. That is amusing because there have been many instances where an unimportant "camper" has won the day. Without this support, a force would move in blind, oblivious to ambushes and the enemy's other defences. I have seen it happen, a force chewed up before they reach the objective. Now i know the probable reply "They are recon/scouts". So I will morph the term, how does "Scout-Sniper" sound to you?

I, for one, thoroughly enjoy this debate!

Well I didn't think that I was going to post here, but I suppose that I will anyway.

The 12 year old new guy running around with a red dot scope is not a sniper. That is a sterotype that came from many people who had never played the game before getting into it (Not sniper haters, the 12 year olds)

To me, being a sniper is not about shooting people at ecessive ranges. Being a sniper is the thrill of being assigned a task and getting it done at all costs. It's a style of play, and a way of life for many of us. One of my sniper friends is 62 years old. He is a far cry from an immature 12 year old.

While I find that in the average 15 minute game, attempting to snipe becomes rather pointless. However, I still enjoy these games because I get to practice other skills. During scenarios with much more time, I tend to snipe more. Being a sniper does not mean you have to have a ghille suit, flatline barrel, and scope. It does not mean someone who shoots from a concealed position. It is an idea that enhances the game to another dimension, and a mine expanded with new ideas never returns to it's original size.

I do not claim that I am better than you are. In all fairness, you are just as likely to get me out in a game as I am to get you. Let me tell you all why I decided to become a sniper in the first place.

When I was first starting, I was really into the idea of scenario games. I thought that was the coolest thing I had ever seen. Then I came across a sniper group and read their articles on the site. Some taught about general scenario information and tips, others were teaching tech tricks, and others were teaching personal tactics. The people were the friendliest and welcomed me and to this day I am still a prominent member in that group. We teach new players to not run around yelling "I have a red dot scope, I'm a sniper!" There are even people in our community that play in tournaments and other such games, yet still provide good information to the good of the community. The good nature show to one another in this community is what brought me to the role of a sniper.

You all can tell me that I am not a sniper if you'd like. I don't care. I can just as easily retaliate as hooligan has. I don't need to or really want to though, because I am fine with however people play out here at my field.

To me, being a sniper involves more off of the field than on the field. That is the difference between a sniper and some "12 year old immature prepubecent running around hiding screaming I have a scope so I'll be a sniper!".

Haha, so much for me not trying to get involved in this little argument, eh? Take care ya'll.

Oh yes, I would like to add on out of shear bordem that it is POSSIBLE to calculate almost exactly where the ball will hit on a target using some rather simple physics. But this is not PRACTICAL in the field. I think I might actually try it out sometime just for kicks though in a lab type set up though. Of course you can never get it dead on everytime, but you can get it with a very slight margin of error.

Also, campers are sometimes necessary. They get annoying when they arn't necessary and they just stay back there and do nothing. When you have to defend a building from an onslaught of people though and you only have two people, not much you can do but sit tight and camp for a bit. Nothing wrong with a little productive camping in my opinion. Nothing worse than your camper being so far away from the action he doesn't even know when the game is over though.

Sniping is a Role. Same as Demolitions, General, Spy, etc....The only difference is that being a sniper can be adapted to any game. May it be Woodsball, Rec ball, or Scenario Ball. I do not believe that is is fair that people continue to bash snipers. Do people ever bash the guys running around w/ PVC pipes shooting Tanks? Or what about the guys who make Tanks? You need to take all this into consideration before anyone of you opens your mouth. think about it.

i am in fact a sniper, and i own a ghillie suit, and no matter how much that video emphasises the fact that camo is camo and if you are quiet and only shoot once you will not be found....it doenst matter. we have tools that give us the extra edge on regular players. a teammate of mine got 8 barrel tags when he was playin in the last scenario. what was he wearing? a ghillie suit. and where was he? lying on a trail, and as people walked by, he poked em and they were out. okay? so sniping DOES exist in paintball, it just has to be adapted to fit the differences in which there is between paintball and modern warfare.

Just htink about it everyone.....

-Hooligan-

So much to explain.......

    i want to point out that most players do not focus on stealth. they go along paths and attack objectives head on. Yes, there ARE players who DO sneak and use stealth, and NO this does not make them a sniper. And honestly.....did anyone ever make any statements about every other player traveling with a brass band and such? No.

    The difference between a sniper and a regular player is that of the art in which we play paintball. We dont attack head on, we dont follow commonly used trails, we can play all day w/o having to fire one shot if it wouldnt be beneficial to anyone. We can sit in wait for hours if it will benefit our team. We have patience, and above all....we MASTER the art of camoflauge, covert movement, the art of 1 well placed shot, recon, and of course we are a pshycological *sp?* factor. If you know a sniper is on the other team, you WILL think twice before crossin an open trail, or attacking the back of an objective. That hesitasion is exactly what we wait for. 

    How many people here can say that they played a full scenario game and shot less then 200 balls? i can...why? because when i shoot someone, they are the important players. they are not just some player, a sniper attacks players of importance. (generals, heavy weapons, demolitions, etc....) We go out on special missins for generals in scenario games that the average player, or group of players could not, such as assassinations of the other general, defense of bottlenecks, recon, ambushes, etc.....Yes, some players could do these thigns, but not to the same effect of a sniper.

    Example: Instead of sending 30 guys to hold a bottle neck or bridge, and have that many less people attackin a main objective, you could place 4 or 5 snipers and have the same effect. why? because the first people that move across the bridge, when eliminated, will not know where it came from. Of course at this point the rest of the other team fires like crazy and gets behind cover. And this whole time we havent fired another shot and are still unseen. Once the other team is behind a bunker or other form of cover, its simply target practice. A head will pop up here looking for someone...SPLAT. 1 more elimination, and at this point the sniper that fires moves to another spot. While this sniper moves, others have the job of covering the bridge. Basically......a few snipers can do what 30-40 regular players can do.

    Sniping is an art that you must perfect over a long period of time, it is not something that just anyone can do. I cant stress enough the fact that snipers are as much a part of paintball as the paintball itself. We keep it interesting, keep you wondering if you are next, keep you watching your back, and most of all keep you fearing the "Bang........Splat.....Out.....Silence".

ne more statments of ignorance i need to argue?
-Hooligan-

So much to explain.......

    i want to point out that most players do not focus on stealth. They have to in the woods, or they're done for. they go along paths and attack objectives head on. No they don't. Yes, there ARE players who DO sneak and use stealth, like.....all of us? and NO this does not make them a sniper. And honestly.....did anyone ever make any statements about every other player traveling with a brass band and such? No. It's a statement concerning that you kids are the ones who figure you're more sneaky than the rest of us.

    The difference between a sniper and a regular player is that of the art in which we play paintball. I disagree VanGough. We dont attack head on,  we dont follow commonly used trails, Neither do I we can play all day w/o having to fire one shot if it wouldnt be beneficial to anyone. HOW the hell is that beneficial? We can sit in wait for hours if it will benefit our team. Hours? in a paintball game? Grow up.We have patience, and above all....we MASTER the art of camoflauge, covert movement, the art of 1 well placed shot, recon, and of course we are a pshycological *sp?* factor. If you know a sniper is on the other team, you WILL think twice before crossin an open trail, or attacking the back of an objective. That hesitasion is exactly what we wait for. How old are you? I sincerely DOUBT you've mastered camoflage. Or movement. Or even your own markers yet.

    How many people here can say that they played a full scenario game and shot less then 200 balls? Me. i can...why? because when i shoot someone, they are the important players. They're all important. If they can put a ball on the side of your head, they're as important as any general our there swift. they are not just some player, a sniper attacks players of importance. (generals, heavy weapons, demolitions, etc....) Get a load of this crap right here.We go out on special missins (sp?) for generals in scenario games that the average player, or group of players could not, such as assassinations of the other general, defense of bottlenecks, recon, ambushes, etc.....Yes, some players could do these thigns, but not to the same effect of a sniper. Wow, you really put a lot of time into this justification for this crap didn't you?

    Example: Instead of sending 30 guys to hold a bottle neck or bridge, and have that many less people attackin a main objective, you could place 4 or 5 snipers and have the same effect. why? because the first people that move across the bridge, when eliminated, will not know where it came from. Of course at this point the rest of the other team fires like crazy and gets behind cover. And this whole time we havent fired another shot and are still unseen. Once the other team is behind a bunker or other form of cover, its simply target practice. A head will pop up here looking for someone...SPLAT. Because your marker is SO much more accurate than mine is. 1 more elimination, and at this point the sniper that fires moves to another spot. While this sniper moves, others have the job of covering the bridge. Basically......a few snipers can do what 30-40 regular players can do.  EEEEEEEHHH Wrong.

    Sniping is an art that you must perfect over a long period of time,ANd at 14 years old you've spent HOW much time perfecting this art Vassily?  it is not something that just anyone can do. Right, noone can do it. I cant stress enough the fact that snipers are as much a part of paintball as the paintball itself. That's cute. it really is. We keep it interesting, keep you wondering if you are next, keep you watching your back, and most of all keep you fearing the "Bang........Splat.....Out.....Silence". Hollywood really has you by the short ones don't they?

HAHAHAHAHAHHA Someone has seen "Sniper" and "Enemy at the Gates" too many times. You'll grow up someday.  

ne more statments of ignorance i need to argue?
-Hooligan-

I think that just about covers it.