full auto 98custom( with no upgrades)
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Forum Name: Paintball Ideas / News From Tippmann
Forum Description: Got a new idea or a way to improve something?
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Topic: full auto 98custom( with no upgrades)
Posted By: james_8997
Subject: full auto 98custom( with no upgrades)
Date Posted: 16 October 2004 at 11:52pm
what if if you removed the thing that catches and releases the bolt, and pull it back ( with a air source and paintballs) and release it. it will have nothing to stop it for the next shot therefore will keep fireing intell it runs out of gas.( or you catch it your self) keep in mind, i dont know if this will work or how fast it will fire. ------------- 98custom, r/t drop forward j&j 12in. empire reloader 2 double trigger polished internals |
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 17 October 2004 at 12:13am
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it will fire about 68 BPS, it will freeze your valve and chop every single ball that goes into it. Many people have tried this.
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Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 17 October 2004 at 8:39am
I think that these posts and all "You can acctualy make your trigger pull lighter !" posts should be banned. I'm not trying to make fun of you James, but please do a search before posting an idea.------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: james_8997
Date Posted: 17 October 2004 at 10:25am
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ok, im sry ------------- 98custom, r/t drop forward j&j 12in. empire reloader 2 double trigger polished internals |
Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 17 October 2004 at 11:21am
I'm gonna try that.... ------------- Tenacious and Versatile |
The Guy wrote:Posted By: BradNowell
Date Posted: 17 October 2004 at 1:31pm
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there is come mod where you stick a small nail in teh sear or something that makes is f/a
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Posted By: littlebreadman
Date Posted: 07 November 2004 at 4:48pm
| i have seen this alot an i know it dont work, but i saw a few weeks ago a new loader called the Q-loader that shoots 30ish i think it should be quick enough form the video they had it looks fast enough jus a idea |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 08 November 2004 at 2:57am
It's not new anymore, and no, it couldn't keep up with a runaway blowback. All you'd hear would be a loud buzzing noise as paint comes out the barrel like water from a hose... only brightly colored. And no, the Cyclone is not going to go fast enough, either. People have tried that as well. It takes some modding to make a Cyclone go that fast. Besides, you'd have to somehow catch the rear bolt or re-engage the sear... from the outside. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die. 
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 08 November 2004 at 7:26am
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Posted By: SnakeEyes
Date Posted: 08 November 2004 at 12:47pm
Who has ever proved this? Just out of intuition of mechanical systems and continually studying and dynamically modeling them it seems impossible for a blow-back system such as the Tippmann to reach cycling speeds such as that. ------------- Which falls faster, a lead ball or your IQ after reading some of these posts? http://www.pennstatepaintball.com" rel="nofollow - PSU Paintball |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 08 November 2004 at 2:09pm
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68 is an exagerration, but it will cycle around 40-50 in runaway.
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Posted By: SnakeEyes
Date Posted: 08 November 2004 at 2:20pm
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Yeah, but who ever came up with that?
I just did some simple motion calculations and came up with the bolt accelerating at around 125Gs to acheive cycling speeds of 68CPS!!! At 40CPS the acceleration of the rear bolt would be about 43Gs! Something just doesn't seem right there. Who has ever proved this? ------------- Which falls faster, a lead ball or your IQ after reading some of these posts? http://www.pennstatepaintball.com" rel="nofollow - PSU Paintball |
Posted By: whoknowswho
Date Posted: 08 November 2004 at 2:33pm
| Call it the blenderizer. |
Posted By: reincarnation14
Date Posted: 09 November 2004 at 8:28pm
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yea i herd that if u stick ur thumb just behind the cock that it will shoot untill u move u finger BUT thats just wat i herd so im not sayin try it or nothin
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Posted By: g0dhead
Date Posted: 09 November 2004 at 9:05pm
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Sounds like a waste of money... A huge waste. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 11:05am
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This will give you an idea of what will happen with the lack of resistance on the bolt. If you bought an RT kit that came with the stiffer sear spring for your 98, put the stock sear spring in, crank of the RT and sweet spot it. Runaway train at nasty rates of fire. Jim @ WAS just needs to get his anti-chop eye system finished or maybe Tippmann will do something with that Intimidator board they have and you'll see ROF increase for Tippmanns. |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 1:01pm
Math is math, why dont you just rip out the sear, let it fly, and record it in audio and count it yourself? -------------
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Posted By: SnakeEyes
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 2:13pm
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Math may be math, but math doesn't lie.
I don't have the equipment here to do sound recording and analysis. I am stating that it seems very far fetched and am asking who ever documented it at cycling that fast? I hear people saying blah blah blah 40cps, 60cps, but there is no concrete evidence that I have seen proving that a Tippmann really will cycle that fast. I am asking those of you who have claimed these speeds to support it with some facts. This is not an argument so much as it is inquiry. ------------- Which falls faster, a lead ball or your IQ after reading some of these posts? http://www.pennstatepaintball.com" rel="nofollow - PSU Paintball |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 2:19pm
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For God's sake. Patrick just threw a number. Here ya go. It will cycle at an unusualy high, yet undetermined rate of fire. |
Posted By: maroon out
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 3:25pm
Runaway 98. Completly stock except for polished internals.
http://i.1asphost.com/jreeder/runaway98.wav - Runaway98.wav http://i.1asphost.com/jreeder/runaway98slow.wav - Same as above except at 6000hz. I counted 17 cycles in .5 seconds, so 34cps. The mic I have is really crappy which is why it sounds like it was recorded underwater. EDIT: Sorry for blowing the thread out wide, I thought I had resized it small enough. EDIT #2: I was using my PMI tank at the time which has an output of 900psi, so the results might be a little higher than with an 850psi tank. Once I get my other tank rebuilt I'll try it again and see if the results come out different. ------------- Watch your thoughts they become words Watch your words they become actions Watch your actions they become habits Watch your habits they become character Watch your character it becomes your destin |
Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:11pm
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^^. weird. very cool though. oooh nice chart. looks very professional.
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Posted By: SnakeEyes
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:56pm
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It may look professional, but you cannot distinguish any distinct peaks from all the noise in there. Not to mention the .wav sounds so echo and reverberation filled that the program is probably recording false peaks.
Get a cleaner .wav where we can actuallly hear distinct "pops" from each shot. You are on a good track to giving me some solid answers here though, thanks. ------------- Which falls faster, a lead ball or your IQ after reading some of these posts? http://www.pennstatepaintball.com" rel="nofollow - PSU Paintball |
Posted By: maroon out
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 11:02pm
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Did you listen to the slowed down version? You can hear them better.
I have a nicer mic somewhere so I’ll try to get a better clip tomorrow and try again. ------------- Watch your thoughts they become words Watch your words they become actions Watch your actions they become habits Watch your habits they become character Watch your character it becomes your destin |