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A little mod here... a 3-way there and you could walk it

Sarge14 wrote: Never on gods green earth will u see me using an Electro-pneumatic paintball marker. I like my mechanical Autocker. I can shoot just as fast as all you electro boys!

O yea Im sure even though the electro semi guns are shooting 18-20bps and you can probably barely hit 10bps's on a mechanical cocker. I use to use a cocker for speedball but when I got out there and started to play in tourneys I hated it. The mechanical cocker was very slow compared to those computer electro guns. I will never go back to using a mechanical gun.

They can try to shoot as fast as an electro gun but they'll be chopping like crazy if they aren't already.

I play speedball with a mech cocker, and I enjoy it thorougly.

I seriously doubt any claims of shooting a mech cocker as fast as any decent electro, though. 

procarb11 wrote: why? u must be a noob....if u dont have eyes on the gun you will chop at high rates of fire....the eyes detect paint in the breech and the marker will only fire when there is paint. if there are no eyes paint can get pinched between the bolt and the feedneck,thus causing paint to chop, and they eyes prevent this from happening

im pretty sure he knows what eyes do, but there are many fast markers that opperate fine without eyes.
 i even see people that own an eblade and never get around to installing the eye.

its a pretty simple concept, lets see if you can understand this...

 gun shoots 12bps... you have a loader that can easily feed a consistent 12 bps (egg, halo, qloader) there wont be chopping unless you short strtoke a mech cocker, and even then a chop isnt always guaranteed.
 as for mags, their lvl10 bolt (when tuned right) with not chop paint, even if you hold a paintball halfway in the breech, it will just pinch the paint at most.

as for the namecalling, stop. you obviosly used the term noob in a derogative way to make him feel like he knows nothing, and try to act like you know more... well, it just makes you look like an immature kid. and no one is going to follow someone who does nothing but act immaturely and tries to put others down for expressing his/her view.

RadarLove wrote: i was wondering. is it possible to walk a mech cocker and is there such thing as a magnetic trigger for it? i am just wondering.

You can't walk a mech cocker, you will short stroke and chop balls like crazy. There is a electronic trigger for it called the Ebalde.

well we dont spray and pray... because we most of the time arnt actually tryng to hit our target... the bunkers arnt that big... and these electros dont have spread bigger than 8" which is pretty good when you account speed... Obviously the spread is going to get smaller as you get closer...

spray and pray,  jeez

Hmm, whats the difference between ducking from ,,, say 6 BPS and ducking from 22BPS ? , not much ,if you got them pinned inna bunker , they aint gonna peek til there is No B/S , I did fine with my old 98C keeping bunkers Hugged , and believe it or not , I can keep players ducking with a PUMP (2BPS ?)

Big difference I see , is intimidation factor of the noise of many shots impacting close by , for Novice players, and experienced Rec ball players , (like myself ) that wont hold water for long , you can shoot close to me all day long , I'll just move a lil bit and plug you while you were shooting at where I was .

Personally , unless I am running up a lane , I dont see a major difference , the most fearsome players I ever ran across , were pump shooters , they didnt miss as often,,

Dont get me wrong , there's plenty good to be said about putting out a rope of paint for supression fire , but how much is enough ?

Sarge14 wrote: Why do u speed ball players rely on spray and pray rather than acucraccy. I dont play speed ball all the time but when i do i do just fine with my mech cocker against all the Angel flys, and the other electro peices of crap. Whatever happend to the player actually having signifigant skill.   It think we need more newcombers entering the game be intoduced into woodsball as well.

Do you know the difference between spray and pray and using speed while taking well aimed shots, There is a difference. Most speedballers don't spray and pray its the ignorant people who don't know the game of speedball that think that. Sure, using this technique, you will need a large supply of cash. But in such a fast paced and enclosed environment, firepower does dictate movement. You don't move to predict angles so much as reacting to areas that are being plastered with paint. In speedball it is obvious. Suppresive fire, posting angles, whatever it's called. Every shot has a purpose. Most are not even meant to take out the opposing team. The purpose is to deny the opposition the ability to move and work the angles to their advantage. The team who does this most effectively will win.
 Also for the back men who barely moves off the break, being able to shoot fast and throw more paint out there allows them to have a greater chance of getting someone out on the break out. As I was saying though, spray and pray is shooting wildley in all directions hoping for a hit. Using the speed of your gun while taking well aimed shots is alot different. The only thing thats a POS are cockers and other slow mechanical guns that shoot a whole 2bps.

procarb11 wrote: rt doesnt shoot 16 bps

Mine does.  And I don't chop, ever, and I don't have an eye (on my gun, that is).

procarb11 wrote: its not because of marketing, if u wanna shoot over 20 plus bps like Timmies, DM4's Angels etc the eyes are necessary. Why do u think with eye mode off the guns cap at 13 bps? Becuase after that your chance of chopping increases the faster youn shoot.

Meh.  Most of the guys I know with newer Angels broke their Sensi rods, and never bothered to get them fixed, since they never broke paint anyway.  And these guys shoot seriously fast.

Sure, eyes can help stop breaks.  But to say that No Eyes + High ROF = Breakage, that is just, well, ignorant.

procarb11 wrote: ignorant, ok id would like to see you shoot 20 plus bps without chopping and no eyes, why do u think when the eyes are disengaged the gun is capped at 13? b.c if u were to go over the cap without eyes you would chop. btw sensi is garbage anyways, its not even eyes

So now we're up to 20, are we?  lol

Like I said, I shoot 16+ with no chops and no eye.  (not at the moment, actually - my LPK kinda screwed up the RT, but that's a different story)

Like I said, I know guys who shoot as fast as they can on their Angels, uncapped, without eyes or other "protection".  Do they shoot 20 bps?  Dunno, but they shoot faster than me.

And is Sensi garbage?  I can agree that it isn't the best system in the world, but that just proves my point, doesn't it?  I like when other people make my points for me.

And, of course, you still haven't addressed lvl10, which allows a Mag to shoot well in excess of 20 bps without breaks, eyes or no eyes.

You're just wrong, and you should admit it.  If you don't admit that you are wrong, you will still be wrong, but you will look like an irrational fool as well.

mobius_1 wrote: Plus you have anti-chop bolts out for cockers now too, and they work.

They work, but even they aren't needed.  A mech cocker with the correct pneumatics can be set to operate with sufficiently low cocking pressure to where chopping won't happen.  I have never chopped a ball in my mech cocker.  Never, not once, even when I am shooting quite fast.  Not 20bps, granted, but quite fast anyway.

Do eyes help?  Yes.  Are there a variety of other ways to stop chopping?  Most certainly yes.

Clark Kent wrote: A mech cocker with the correct pneumatics can be set to operate with sufficiently low cocking pressure to where chopping won't happen.  I have never chopped a ball in my mech cocker.  Never, not once, even when I am shooting quite fast.  Not 20bps, granted, but quite fast anyway.

Same here Clark, i shoot quite fast with my mech cocker and never have chopped a ball, that goes for shortstroking too.