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Topic: Celsius 41.11
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Subject: Celsius 41.11
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 3:42pm
< removed by shocker>

I just realized nothing good will come out of this cause no one is going to sign the petition like I was asking...


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 3:50pm
Oh goody.  More propaganda.


Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 3:55pm
Sombody missed Sandmans thread

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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 4:00pm

im definately renting F 9/11 and then going to see that...

so its realy free?



Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by WGP guy WGP guy wrote:

im definately renting F 9/11 and then going to see that...

so its realy free?



I can't discuss anything cause all the regulars on the forum are going to throw a hissy fit...


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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 4:01pm

hey!

put it back, please? I looked at it and found it interesting, thanks for helping me out on that.

know when itll be out?



Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 4:16pm
PM it to me or something.  If it's anything about F/911, I really want to see it because that was the worst movie I've ever seen...

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Posted By: ItsJustMe
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 4:22pm
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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 4:41pm

here, i dont wanna seem  to ya shocker, but i decided to take the fall if anything happens cause of this

 
WARNING, SOME GRAPHIC DEPICTIONS
 


Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 4:46pm
wow.

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Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 4:46pm

Im pro anything thats against Micheal Moore and his bull**edited**.

Good find.



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Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 5:43pm

I strongly dislike Michael Moore.

Wow....interesting..



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Posted By: ItsJustMe
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by ItsJustMe ItsJustMe wrote:

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Posted By: PaintballWizard
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 6:43pm


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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 6:51pm
Interesting.

It's just a pissing contest between two politically polar factions, I can guarantee you that that's just as skewed as F 9/11 is.


Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 7:53pm
Hey shocker is that Ron Jeremy in your avatar?

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Posted By: PopeMobile
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 7:57pm
You would know impulse.

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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 8:00pm
Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Im pro anything thats against Micheal Moore and his bull**edited**.

Good find.


I completely agree.


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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 8:17pm
I hate Moore.  I'm not Pro-Bush anymore, but Moore and his commie-ness should go crawl under a big heavy thing and die.  Now.

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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:

Hey shocker is that Ron Jeremy in your avatar?


heck yea it is


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Posted By: meteora
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

Originally posted by WGP guy WGP guy wrote:

im definately renting F 9/11 and then going to see that...

so its realy free?



I can't discuss anything cause all the regulars on the forum are going to throw a hissy fit...

tell them to take the sand out of their......*its from southpark, cartmen says it*


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Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 20 October 2004 at 10:12pm
Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:


I can't discuss anything cause all the regulars on the forum are going to throw a hissy fit...


You value what people say on an internet forum that much? Sad.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 2:29am

Wow, some really powerful statements about MIchael Moore. Personally I like the guy.



Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 6:08am
hes OK in my book.

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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by Solipsism Solipsism wrote:

Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:


I can't discuss anything cause all the regulars on the forum are going to throw a hissy fit...


You value what people say on an internet forum that much? Sad.


oh just shut the hell up...i said that cause if I kept what i posted my thread would just be clattered up with retarded statements like the one you just made


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Posted By: CougarBattalion
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 5:14pm
I personaly don't respect the man.  He's Anti-American, that's a big no-no in my book.


Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 8:14pm
He is in no way "Anti-America." Any person that would make a movie that explained the burdens of big business on a city ("Roger and Me") is a true American, someone caring for the little guys.


Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 8:55pm

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

He is in no way "Anti-America." Any person that would make a movie that explained the burdens of big business on a city ("Roger and Me") is a true American, someone caring for the little guys.

Since the US has a history of doing what is best for the little guys, right?



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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 9:19pm
Meh - screw the little guy.  Big business is what made this nation great.


Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Meh - screw the little guy.  Big business is what made this nation great.


I'd insert soem witty comment here about you getting squashed, and somehow blame Bill Gates, but i just got nothing...


Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 October 2004 at 10:48pm
I consider it American if you can stand up against the oppressors.


Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 2:38pm

This review of Celsius 414141 from the New York Times is amusing and interesting, if not entirely impartial:

(sorry about stupid side boxes)

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Published: October 22, 2004

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If you didn't know where the new film "Celsius 41.11" was coming from you certainly get the picture when the filmmakers cut from an image juxtaposing Michael Moore with Hitler straight to an image of John Kerry and John Edwards. If the juxtaposition weren't so shameless, if the political climate were not so scurrilous, if the country were not actively at war and men, women and children were not dying in that war, this composite triumvirate of Moore-Hitler-Kerry might be easy to laugh off. As it is, it's a depressing indicator of our political discourse and what passes as nonfiction film these days.

Directed by Kevin Knoblock, who has mainly knocked around cable television, and written and produced by Lionel Chetwynd and Ted Steinberg, "Celsius 41.11" was made, according to a press release issued by Citizens United, the group that produced the film, "to refute the propaganda in Michael Moore's `Fahrenheit 9/11.' " On a basic level, this new feature is simply another addition to the mini-industry of detractors that has sprung up around Mr. Moore and taken on a more feverish pitch since his most recent screen success. This curious mini-industry includes the book "Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man," written by the Moore detractors David T. Hardy and Jason Clarke, who both appear in yet another anti-Moore film, "Fahrenhype 9/11."

Unlike "Fahrenhype 9/11," which makes a dedicated effort to disprove some of the major claims in http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/movie.html?v_id=305974&inline=nyt_ttl - "Fahrenheit 9/11" (the Bush family's alleged ties to Saudi Arabia's ruling elites, for instance), the filmmakers behind "Celsius 41.11" spend surprisingly little time actually going after Mr. Moore. What Mr. Knoblock, Mr. Chetwynd and Mr. Steinberg want to do with their movie is make you afraid — very, very afraid. And so, in between talking heads expounding on American policy and international politics and extolling the vision and virtues of President Bush (commentators include the Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes, the American Enterprise Institute scholar Michael A. Ledeen and, rather less to the film's credit, the critic Michael Medved), the film presents a vision of the world verging on the apocalyptic.

Less savvy propagandists than Mr. Moore, the "Celsius 41.11" filmmakers apply their thesis with a trowel. The film opens with the image of the second World Trade Center tower being hit by a plane, and returns to the attack, with the towers in flames and then tumbling, again and again. The filmmakers make their political line of reasoning clear when they soon follow this Sept. 11 imagery with snippets of antiwar demonstrations. One nitwit protester defends dictatorship (she is for it if it means health care for everyone), a slice of loony nonsense that is followed by images of dead children. As with most of the news material folded into "Celsius 41.11," it is impossible to know who these children are or who killed them. Other images, including that of a woman in a burka being executed, remain similarly unidentified.

This sort of sloppy cut-and-paste strategy is not exclusive to "Celsius 41.11." Mr. Moore's arguments in "Fahrenheit 9/11," for one, would be more persuasive if he were more exacting and forthcoming about the found material he uses. But Mr. Moore's presumed faults as a filmmaker and as an openly left muckraker have no bearing on "Celsius 41.11" or its worth as a film.

A didactic screed that has all the verve of a PowerPoint presentation and all the subtlety of a Homeland Security red alert, "Celsius 41.11" is finally interesting only because it represents another unconvincing effort on the part of conservatives to mount a viable critique of Mr. Moore. It also suggests that the right's gifts for spinning ideology into compelling narrative, so evident during the Reagan administration, have gone missing.

"Celsius 41.11" also proves that watching is not necessarily enough when it comes to nonfiction film, a rule that is true for every film of every political stripe, even to those without an ostensible agenda. The truth of that dictum is most egregiously evident in "Celsius 41.11" with Mansoor Ijaz, one of its most alarmist talking heads, who is initially introduced simply as a "terrorism expert."

During the film's scant one hour and 12 minutes, Mr. Ijaz's opinions were strong enough to provoke my curiosity. This is, after all, a terrorism expert who freely delivers blunt opinions like the Arab world "only understands strength" and expounds on the "absolute nonsense" of the Clinton administration.

So who is Mr. Ijaz? Well, among other things, he is a nuclear physicist and chairman of Crescent Investment Management. In a 1997 interview with Mr. Ijaz published in The Washington Post, Crescent was described as having a $2.7 billion investment portfolio, much of it on behalf of Middle East governments. Mr. Ijaz said that he was particularly interested in new oil field development. Sudan, with moderate reserves estimated at 3.5 billion barrels, is expected to become a petroleum exporter soon, and Mr. Ijaz said he hoped to manage some of Khartoum's foreign investment of oil profits.

The "Celsius 41.11" filmmakers do not reveal the degree to which Mr. Ijaz is invested in the Middle East or just how intimately familiar he was with the nonsense of the Clinton White House. In a 1997 article in The New York Times about the recently ended campaign-finance hearings (led by another of the film's talking heads, a thoughtful Fred Thompson), Jill Abramson wrote, "Sometimes a donor gets, in return for his efforts, a slap in the face. Mansoor Ijaz, a New York businessman, raised more than $500,000 for the Democratic cause and met with senior officials in the White House, the State Department and Congress to push for normalizing ties with Sudan, where Mr. Ijaz has business interests. Last week, the State Department announced stiffer sanctions against Sudan for sponsoring international terrorism."

The filmmakers state that the title "Celsius 41.11" represents "the temperature at which the brain begins to die." It's unclear if they intend for the title to represent what happens when you watch Mr. Moore's film or their own, or whether it's simply some sort of elegant and pointed self-diagnosis.



Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

I consider it American if you can stand up against the oppressors.


and who would the oppressor be? George Bush? How is he "oppressing" Americans?


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 2:49pm

Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:



and who would the oppressor be? George Bush? How is he "oppressing" Americans?

You should ask Jose Padilla.



Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:


oh just shut the hell up...i said that cause if I kept what i posted my
thread would just be clattered up with retarded statements like the one
you just made




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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 4:23pm

Originally posted by CougarBattalion CougarBattalion wrote:

I personaly don't respect the man.  He's Anti-American, that's a big no-no in my book.

Yeah, hes practicing his freedom of speech. You know, that thing that alot of people fought and died for so that we could have a country that we could speak whats on our mind without worrying about punishment. Yeah, hes so anti-American.



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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by CougarBattalion CougarBattalion wrote:

I personaly don't respect the man.  He's Anti-American, that's a big no-no in my book.


If by anti-american you mean anti-bush...


Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 5:16pm
Afghanistan has an army...Our Army!  And don't forget the kingdom of Paulua!


Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 8:30pm

Originally posted by :ShockeR_ratm: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

I consider it American if you can stand up against the oppressors.


and who would the oppressor be? George Bush? How is he "oppressing" Americans?

Yes, I do consider him and his administration opressive. Especially the Patriot Act as well as No Child Left Behind. It is quite unfortunate that I visualize him in this way, but his lack of good judgement and inability to realize when he has made a mistake has cost America severely.



Posted By: *AXE*
Date Posted: 22 October 2004 at 8:37pm
there are no terrorists my butt look at the trade towers did they fall down by the wind you softminded children!!! i dont think so

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