are the 02 autocockers anygood? better than the 98 or carbine??

wich one is more upgradable? the trilogy or the 02? i cant really find any reviews on it

Don't even waste your money on an Autococker, take it from someone who has owned one they're junk. You would be much better off with the A-5. The A-5 would be faster and alot more duable then an Autococker. Also with its no tool maintence design the maintence on the A-5 would be alot easier too.
Before you start anything read this:

Unfortuantly my problems had nothing to do with my ability to work on the gun, my problem is with cockers trashy quality control issues. I never had to replace so many parts in such a short amount of time, and on top of that the cocker was very slow. Also the cocker needs over $1000 in upgrades to make it half decent and even after that there is still a good chance of the thing compleatly pooping out. I will never spend money and a tradhy gun like a cocker ever again.

wow scarface...cockers are great guns. you make them sound very bad. and yeah, i love A-5's.

what kind of barrel should i get for it? will i need one right away or should i get another upgrade first?

The stock cocker barrel isn't bad, as stock barrels go.  You will want ot replace it, but it doesn't have to be your first upgrade.  I would recommend a new bolt and detent first.  A delrin bolt will reduce wear on the body.  A delrin detent will reduce wear on the bolt.  Then, if you are staying mech, a new 3-way is your best upgrade.  I recommend the Orracle 3-way.  Very short throw, very easy timing.

Just my thoughts.

slimjim23 wrote: wow scarface...cockers are great guns. you make them sound very bad. and yeah, i love A-5's.

Thats because they are very bad guns. It would be alot easier just to buy a good stock electro gun, you would end up spending just about the same money anyway. By the time you put a million upgrades into the cocker to make it half decent you could have just gotten a Trix, Timmy, Cyborg, B2k with PDS or someother High-end elctro gun.

I'm sure they make J&J barrels with Cocker threading. Look around and double check to make sure.

Enos Shenk wrote: Heh yeah, it amuses me because the only people that say cockers break and suck completely suck at taking care of them or fixing them.

As I already said:Unfortuantly my problems had nothing to do with my ability to work on the gun, my problem is with cockers trashy quality control issues. I never had to replace so many parts in such a short amount of time, and on top of that the cocker was very slow. Also the cocker needs over $1000 in upgrades to make it half decent and even after that there is still a good chance of the thing compleatly pooping out. I will never spend money and a tradhy gun like a cocker ever again

Its not my fault that WGP makes poopy quality products. Things that broke on my cocker had nothing to do with me, the things that broke should not have BUT again due to the trashy quality and WGPs guns they would rather sell junk to people and line thier pockets then put an extra little money into quality control.

your first upgrades would be a new bolt(delrin like stated above to reduce wear), barrel, and  3-way. keep the slider frame, when you get used to them, they can really rip.

delrin detents arent as useful as people say. many people believe their purpose is to prevent wear on the bolt... well, that wear on the bolt isnt bad at all, it wont effect the marker in any way. in fact, wgp recomends using the metal detents, e-orracles, karnys, etc come with metal detents. 
  so a delrin detent isnt necessary. their only advantage on the marker is that you can lower your micro reg pressure a bit because is puts less force/friction on the bolt.

and scarface, your the only one who dislikes cockers, so it was definatly the users malfunction, not the product.

A-5 bunkerking wrote: keep the slider frame, when you get used to them, they can really rip.[quote] Glad I'm not the only one that feels that way.  IMO hinge frames on mech cockers just don't make sense.    :) [quote]delrin detents arent as useful as people say. many people believe their purpose is to prevent wear on the bolt... well, that wear on the bolt isnt bad at all, it wont effect the marker in any way. in fact, wgp recomends using the metal detents, e-orracles, karnys, etc come with metal detents.

That's interesting.  I'll have to look into that.  Although, with your new detent, you also get a snazzy new detent cover.    :)

A-5 bunkerking wrote: your first upgrades would be a new bolt(delrin like stated above to reduce wear), barrel, and  3-way. keep the slider frame, when you get used to them, they can really rip. delrin detents arent as useful as people say. many people believe their purpose is to prevent wear on the bolt... well, that wear on the bolt isnt bad at all, it wont effect the marker in any way. in fact, wgp recomends using the metal detents, e-orracles, karnys, etc come with metal detents.    so a delrin detent isnt necessary. their only advantage on the marker is that you can lower your micro reg pressure a bit because is puts less force/friction on the bolt. and scarface, your the only one who dislikes cockers, so it was definatly the users malfunction, not the product.

Well thanks for proving my point. If cockers are SOOO great then why do you need to upgrade and put so much money into them. Lets see maybe because they stink and thier trashy junk. As for the last part of what you said well thats a good excuse for  a company that makes a crappy gun.  if you look around the internet you'll see im not the only one that hates cockers. O and also if they're soo great then how come when I went to my local pro-shop the wall was loaded with people selling cockers.

Oh good lord.

It's ImpyKing3.

... cockers dont need tons of upgrades. but just like any other gun, upgrades are going to increase the performance.

there arent ANY guns out there that are perfect... all guns operate better with upgrades... but i guess you dont have the common sence to understand that.

the only people who hate cockers, are the ones that are too mentally challenged to operate one...

Clark Kent wrote: Oh good lord. It's ImpyKing3.

excatly what i thought

A-5 bunkerking wrote: ... cockers dont need tons of upgrades. but just like any other gun, upgrades are going to increase the performance.

o no you only need to add a delrin bolt to prevent scratching and wearing, an electro grip to make them fast, a new three way because the stock one leaks like crazy, a new barrel beause the stock barrel is poop, alought you don't HAVE to get this its a good idea to get it turtled to get rid of the whole trashy back block. Also expect to add alot of money on blown cup seals and other trashy parts that will constantly fall apart. Other then that they're great guns..pff yea right.

A-5 bunkerking wrote: there arent ANY guns out there that are perfect... all guns operate better with upgrades... but i guess you dont have the common sence to understand that.

Your almost right about that but true good quality guns like Timmys, Angles,Trixs, and Cyborgs don't need tons of upgrades and don't constantly blow parts unlike cockers.

A-5 bunkerking wrote: the only people who hate cockers, are the ones that are too mentally challenged to operate one...

Again your wrong. The people who hate cockers are the people who know just how trashy they are. The ones who don't have thier heads to far stuck up thier butts and to ignorant to know how trashy they are and to admit that they got conned by a senile old moron like budd Orr.

Clark Kent wrote: Yep.  Definitely IK's little brother.

Meh..if you say so..

I just did.

:)

Oh yea, Angels are great guns. Both of my friends with Angels have had to replace stuff on them. What has gone wrong with my Cocker? Nothing. WGP makes good quality products. Maybe you got a lemon, those things do happen. Personally, I just think you are too inept to properly operate/maintain a cocker. Sure, I have a lot of money into my gun like you said, but that is by choice. I would rather have a gun be upgraded in my own style and fashion then have a stock DM4 or Timmy like so many other people. Now I do, and it performs every bit as well as any other gun on the market. I'm looking into getting a different LPR and some cosmetic upgrades, but after that I will be done with it. Anyhow I agree with Enos, people who hate cockers are the same people who don't like to take the time to learn about them and then feel helpless when something goes wrong.

ScarFace22 wrote: Clark Kent wrote: Yep.  Definitely IK's little brother. Meh..if you say so..

ScarFace22 wrote: Meh your just to stupid to know a POS. Like I said for the 100th time it didn't have anything to do with me. Since when is a 3 way suppose to leak out of the box? Since when are you suppose to blow a cup seal the first week it get used? Since when are you suppose to put tons of money into a brand new gun after having it for only a couple of weeks.

since silly noobs like yourself try to buy and use cockers while they know nothing about them.

Nobody is saying that a stock/mech cocker can shoot as fast as an Angel (or w/e) - (although there is a new pneumatic trigger coming out soon that can, but that's a different story)

But that is apples and oranges.  A stock cocker will set you back $300-$400.  A stock Angel will set you back $1,000.  For the price of an Angel, you can have an electro-cocker that CAN shoot as fast as an Angel.

We judge the cocker for what it is - an incredible piece of mechanical machinery, with endless possibilities for upgrades and customization.  A bone-stock cocker is, with minimal mechanical understanding, a very reliable gun with remarkable consistency/accuracy and outstanding efficiency, at a very reasonable price.  Pretty fast for a mech, too.  From there on up, it's all up to the user.

As to your leaking 3-way - there are two ways that happened.  Maybe you got a dud, and your 3-way was no good.  Very possible, but rare enough that it isn't fair to condemn all of WGP just for that.  I just bought a Gladiator that leaked right from the getgo.  Does that mean that MacDev is a crappy company?  Of course not.  The second, and IMO more likely reason for your leak, is that the gun wasn't timed properly out of the box, and you couldnt figure out how to fix the problem.  Either way, your over-the-top condemnation of WGP and cockers simply marks you as bitter and irrational.