Should drugs be legal?
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Topic: Should drugs be legal?
Posted By: kwkmrorange
Subject: Should drugs be legal?
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 9:57am
Hello, I live in Canada where we are in the process of decriminalizing marjuana. This would be mean that it would be similar to alcohol or cigarettes in that stores would need a license to sell it, and could only sell to people over a certain age. I personally think this is a great idea because it will help destroy almost all gangs source of income, it will make marjuana safer by controlling what can be added to it and it will make money for the government. This started me thinking wouldnt it make sence to decriminalize all if not most drugs. This would stop alot of the problems in countires such as cocaine by giving farmers a legal source of income, make drugs safer and stop all drug related crime. Now while I know some drugs can be very dangerous and hazordus to your health so is smoking and it is legal. I think as long as proper rules are placed around them it could work very well. What do you guys think about this?
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 9:59am
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I figure it is every human being's God-given right to screw up their lives in the manner of their choosing.
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Posted By: ItalianoGuy04
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 10:27am
another reason for people to become idiots.. now instead of only have drunk drivers, we're gonna have a **edited** load more high-drivers... nothing will get done.. and grades will drop.... meaning no more inventions... actually a stop to all technological advances... sounds great huh?
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 10:31am
Clark Kent wrote:
I figure it is every human being's God-given right to screw up their lives in the manner of their choosing. |
if thier lives were the only ones they were screwing up i MIGHT agree with you... as it stands, i don't think its a good idea.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 10:33am
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^^^^^ Now, I fully agree that it isn't your right to screw up my life.
But there is a balance - everything we do affects other people. We just have to find the balance.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:11am
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I'm with Clark. We arrest people for DUI's, we should be able to find a way to arrest them for driving under the influence of drugs. Doing that sort of thing alone and in their own privacy should be legal.
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:15am
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adrenalinejunky wrote:
if thier lives were the only ones they were screwing up i MIGHT agree with you... as it stands, i don't think its a good idea. |
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Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:23am
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ItalianoGuy04 wrote:
another reason for people to become idiots.. now instead of only have drunk drivers, we're gonna have a **edited** load more high-drivers... nothing will get done.. and grades will drop.... meaning no more inventions... actually a stop to all technological advances... sounds great huh? |
I agree with you its a stupid idea. These people will be endanger hundreds of people with thier reckless acts while being high. Also in the long term I doubt any good will come out of it. They should keep drugs illegal and arrest people who endanger others. The problem is there are too many dumb 13 year olds who think that making drigs legal would be "soo koolsz." If they weren't lost in thier drug addiction and thier little kid ways maybe they would see that they are destorying thier life and if they drive a car or a motorcycle they put in danger the lives of others.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:25am
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Where is the sources you get your information from? Many, many more people are killed by drunk drivers every year than by people under the influence of drugs. The most harm that comes from drugs is associated with the person taking those drugs. Drug use has many different sources, not just from 13 year olds. I agree with arresting those who sell drugs to minors; however, placing a limit on what I can and cannot do with my body in my own free time is ludacris.
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Posted By: RfUiLreZ
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:34am
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So how is it going to be sold? Like, the same way it's sold now as in by the oz. Or will it be sold in pre-rolled Jointed or pre-Packed bowls?
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Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:34am
So your saying that drugs have no physical effects on people like maybe make thier reactions reflects slow or make thier vision impared. Have you ever taking a health or biology. The fact is that drugs can impare vision, can cause hallucinations and can cause reflects to be slow. Putting all that together what if a person got into a car in that state of bodily presence, its just a crash, hit and run or self injury waiting to happen. There's no logic in thinking that drugs won't effect people driving cars, motorcycles or people who are operating machinery. As I said before its just a death or serious injury waiting to happen.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:37am
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I am a police officer, I deal with drugs on a weekly basis. Yes, I know the effects on drugs and if you were to take the time to see an earlier post I made you would see that I know that if it were to be legalized then there would need to be precautions and regulations to arrest those caught driving under the influence. I was merely stating a point that you had skipped over the real killer, alcohol. It is the main ingredient in over 65% of all criminal cases. Just like alcohol can impair a person driving, so can drugs, but alcohol is still legal, and so should some drugs.
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Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:42am
Ok you could have made that point more clear from the start.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:43am
Dune wrote:
I'm with Clark. We arrest people for DUI's, we should be able to find a way to arrest them for driving under the influence of drugs. Doing that sort of thing alone and in their own privacy should be legal. |
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 12:19pm
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I think pot is one thing (even though I dont do it), but legalizing cocaine and stuff would be bad...
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 12:21pm
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I agree; however, I do think it would be alright to decriminalize cocaine and other drugs.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 12:24pm
i see absolutly no problem with legalizing marijuana. if you do some research on it, it used to be leagle but they made laws against it because of people being afraid of "pot smoking mexicans" there was a stereotype that all mexicans smoked the stuff. so they made laws against it to try and prevent them from moving in next door
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Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 1:48pm
I dont see a problem with marijuana being legal alcohol should be illegal more so then marijuana
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Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 1:48pm
I think they hould make the drug laws the same as alcohol laws so you will be hled resposible for what you do while UTI and will get arested for being so while driving and similar activities. The whole thing about drugs being illegal is creating a sort of forbidden fruit effect. They say we can't have it, so we have to get it. If it was fine to just have thme people would stop thinking it's so cool because it would no longer represent being bad.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 1:53pm
yup, im willin to bet that if marijuana is legalized it wont be half as "cool" as people say it is, i dont see the whole point of it, getting sleepy and acting silly woo hoo
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Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 2:50pm
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ItalianoGuy04 wrote:
another reason for people to become idiots.. now instead of only have drunk drivers, we're gonna have a **edited** load more high-drivers... nothing will get done.. and grades will drop.... meaning no more inventions... actually a stop to all technological advances... sounds great huh? |
honestly im not interested in drugs and i do like that people have to pay insanely high prices for them but the driving thing and the fact that people would buy alot and sell it to kids for less than it is being sold for now are the only problems i have with it
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Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 3:00pm
pot wouldent be bad.
its not addictive, should be like alcahol. enjoyed in proportion. not a whole joint in a half hour
the hard drugs are what should not be made legal ever like cocain heroin X LSD meth ....
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 3:04pm
It would be good and bad. I don't really know which side i
would take.
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 3:32pm
Pot should be legal. No other drug should though.
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Posted By: chs61224
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 3:46pm
before i make my argument, here is something that the readers should know. I am an 18 year old freshman in college, i am currently a pre-business major at a top ranked business school. I grew up in seattle, and I have drank alcohol and smoked marijuana.
I feel that legalizing drugs would solve some problems, but ofcourse it may also have the potential to cause more. Firstly i believe that when a susbstance is controlled, such as alcohol, the users, tend to abuse it more often. This can be seen in high school and college parties. In high school many kids solely wanted to get trashed when drinking, and this holds true for many college students as well. I know because i used to only want to get trashed. Since alcohol has become much easier for me to obtain i have become i much smarter drinker and i never drink to the point where i lose control. I also know several students from europe, those kids are also much more responsible when it comes to drinking, i believe it is because they were never restricted from purchasing and consuming it.
I think the same thing happens with drugs. I think that if the government were to make drugs available to the public people would be much less likely to abuse the substances, and it would also make it more acceptable to recieve help for addictions. Drug related crimes would decrease aswell.
Further more based on my experience with pot, i will say that i do not believe it is addictive and that those who smoke it pose no more of a threat to society than Pepto-Bismol. Yes it makes you stupid, but that is only temporary unless you consitently smoke multiple times daily.
And legalizing marijuana would also help the economy.
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Posted By: chs61224
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 3:49pm
DracoPlasm wrote:
I dont see a problem with marijuana being legal alcohol should be illegal more so then marijuana |
I completely agree with this. Alcohol is responsible for hundreds of deaths a year. that's significantly worse that pot.
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Posted By: Random_Person
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:06pm
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I think leagalizing marijuana would be benificial for the economy, crime rate and general well being. As an example, look at Amsterdam. Marijauna is leagal and it's not like their population is cut in half everyday because of people driving while high. There crime rate is much lower and there are virtually no gangs.
The way pot is sold over there is much like the bars of America. There is like a menu with different varietes and such. You pick what you want the sever brings it to you and you light up and enjoy yourself.
So I do think that pot should be leagalized but not harder more adicitve and dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin.
EDIT: In Amsterdam there is an age limit, it's 18. And I too think there should be an age limit.
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:20pm
^ I agree. But there should be a age limit for pot though.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:24pm
yeah, eighteen or 21, not sure wich
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Posted By: BradNowell
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:29pm
I have one thing to say. Every thing seems ok in holland, so why wouldnt it happen in america/canada
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:32pm
DBibeau855 wrote:
yeah, eighteen or 21, not sure wich |
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Posted By: Barretm82
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:36pm
kwkmrorange wrote:
Hello, I live in Canada where we are in the process of decriminalizing marjuana. This would be mean that it would be similar to alcohol or cigarettes in that stores would need a license to sell it, and could only sell to people over a certain age. I personally think this is a great idea because it will help destroy almost all gangs source of income, it will make marjuana safer by controlling what can be added to it and it will make money for the government. This started me thinking wouldnt it make sence to decriminalize all if not most drugs. This would stop alot of the problems in countires such as cocaine by giving farmers a legal source of income, make drugs safer and stop all drug related crime. Now while I know some drugs can be very dangerous and hazordus to your health so is smoking and it is legal. I think as long as proper rules are placed around them it could work very well. What do you guys think about this? |
---Hello, you are completely WRONG...
The current government wants Marijuana to be decriminalized; it is still ILLEGAL.
The difference is that when kids get busted with Marijuana it is not going to be a felony offence that will give them a CRIMINAL record for the rest of their lives. A criminal record is a devastating thing that removes a lot of opportunities, as it should.
What will happen is that a fine like a traffic ticket will be issued.
---Also, growers and dealers will get much more harsh penalties and jail times. If a kid has more then X-grams, it pushes him/her up to dealer status. (Big time trouble)
Also new technologies are comming online to bust growers in Canada, so kids stay away from the dope...
This is what has been explained to me by a gov rep the first time this bill came by about 30? months ago.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:36pm
Dune wrote:
I am a police officer, I deal with drugs on a weekly basis.
Yes, I know the effects on drugs and if you were to take the time to
see an earlier post I made you would see that I know that if it were to
be legalized then there would need to be precautions and regulations to
arrest those caught driving under the influence. I was merely stating a
point that you had skipped over the real killer, alcohol. It is the
main ingredient in over 65% of all criminal cases. Just like alcohol
can impair a person driving, so can drugs, but alcohol is still legal,
and so should some drugs. |
Exactly how I feel...Marijuana should be legalized but other drugs such
as heroin and cocaine should NEVER be legally free to use...I mean if
alcohol is legal, why shouldn't marijuana be?
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Posted By: gnarkill
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:47pm
i`m not sure y they banned a natural herb like MARY JAY WANA
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:56pm
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:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
Exactly how I feel...Marijuana should be legalized but other drugs such as heroin and cocaine should NEVER be legally free to use...I mean if alcohol is legal, why shouldn't marijuana be?
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Why not legalize heroin? Why does pot get special treatment? I don't see the distinction.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 4:58pm
Mariajuana isn't addicting or as dangerous as heroin...
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Posted By: 98ball
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 5:00pm
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If pot was legalized then would people be able to grow it legally?
I think God put it on earth for a reason, I mean if he didn't want us to smoke it what else would we do with it? He put tobacco here didnt he?
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 5:02pm
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^^^^^ Dumb argument. God also created cancer, AIDS, and the plague. Natural <> Good.
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Posted By: 98ball
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 5:05pm
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there is a difference between a plant and a disease
Jesus drank wine didnt he? why not smoke pot?
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Posted By: tyranny
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 6:41pm
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
Dune wrote:
I am a police officer, I deal with drugs on a weekly basis. Yes, I know the effects on drugs and if you were to take the time to see an earlier post I made you would see that I know that if it were to be legalized then there would need to be precautions and regulations to arrest those caught driving under the influence. I was merely stating a point that you had skipped over the real killer, alcohol. It is the main ingredient in over 65% of all criminal cases. Just like alcohol can impair a person driving, so can drugs, but alcohol is still legal, and so should some drugs. |
Exactly how I feel...Marijuana should be legalized but other drugs such as heroin and cocaine should NEVER be legally free to use...I mean if alcohol is legal, why shouldn't marijuana be?
| yes but if you get the ball rolling it will never stop once they legalize pot why not cocaine or something else and besides losening up on marijuana would make us that much more like canada
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Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 7:56pm
They wont legalze heroin. My firnds brother killed himself over heroin addiction.
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Posted By: Multi-Colored J
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 7:58pm
They should legalize them, ones that can't kill you on the first try.
It's just like prohibition, but with drugs.
The government could make a killing selling marijuana. They tax it, they could make so so so so so much...
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Posted By: kwkmrorange
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 8:16pm
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Barretm82 wrote:
kwkmrorange wrote:
Hello, I live in Canada where we are in the process of decriminalizing marjuana. This would be mean that it would be similar to alcohol or cigarettes in that stores would need a license to sell it, and could only sell to people over a certain age. I personally think this is a great idea because it will help destroy almost all gangs source of income, it will make marjuana safer by controlling what can be added to it and it will make money for the government. This started me thinking wouldnt it make sence to decriminalize all if not most drugs. This would stop alot of the problems in countires such as cocaine by giving farmers a legal source of income, make drugs safer and stop all drug related crime. Now while I know some drugs can be very dangerous and hazordus to your health so is smoking and it is legal. I think as long as proper rules are placed around them it could work very well. What do you guys think about this? |
---Hello, you are completely WRONG...
The current government wants Marijuana to be decriminalized; it is still ILLEGAL.
The difference is that when kids get busted with Marijuana it is not going to be a felony offence that will give them a CRIMINAL record for the rest of their lives. A criminal record is a devastating thing that removes a lot of opportunities, as it should.
What will happen is that a fine like a traffic ticket will be issued.
---Also, growers and dealers will get much more harsh penalties and jail times. If a kid has more then X-grams, it pushes him/her up to dealer status. (Big time trouble)
Also new technologies are comming online to bust growers in Canada, so kids stay away from the dope...
This is what has been explained to me by a gov rep the first time this bill came by about 30? months ago.
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No I am pretty sure I am right here. They are attempting to make it so that you can smoke marjuana in your home without it havng any negative legal reprocution on you. We were talking about it the other day in my careers class and the year before in my english and last year it was in the Ottawa Citizen many many times. ( thats one of the biggest news papers in Ottawa) now unless I completly mis enterpreted what the paper printed or they had their facts completely wrong I am pretty sure I am right.
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Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 8:17pm
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Actually, when you think about that^ it's a wonder that the American gov. hasn't leagalized pot by now.
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Posted By: kwkmrorange
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 8:18pm
Also with respect to everyone speaking of how now people will get DUI's but with other drugs of course there would have to be very strict laws about what happens if you are caught driving with too much of the drug in you. Or for most of the harder drugs any of the drug in you would be a very big problem.
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Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 8:27pm
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I agree with kwkmorange's rationale , but would like to see some other things happen too , like subsidized drug testing at places of employment , strict DUI/DWI laws etc .
A lot of deaths we see from drugs, is because of impure drugs being sold on the streets , and taking away revenue from Organized crime is always a good thing .
Canada has always been a bit more relaxed in some of their attitudes , thats not always a bad thing . where is it ?? Sweden has very liberal laws concerning drugs and prostitution , WHOO-HOO , never been there , but thats on my list of places to go before I get too old to enjoy the trip !!
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Posted By: rootsradicals
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 9:12pm
legalizing pot....eh. I'm gonna say I'm not against it, but there isn't
a good amount of reasons to be for it. Yeah, everyones gonna say "have
a certain age limit to buy it...ect" but I can't count how many times
I've seen people sell to underage kids, its insane. I don't really
wanna type too much about this topic. But overall, I could care less
whether Canada decriminalized it, cuz I live in the U.S. And if the
U.S. did the same, to me, around where I live, my High School is known
for the amount of weed you can get from just about anyone...it's almost
our reputation, kinda sad actually. So the whole decriminalizing of it,
and being able to get it in gas stations wouldn't affect me
much....seing as just about anything is just a phone call away for me.
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Posted By: Barretm82
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 9:12pm
kwkmrorange wrote:
Barretm82 wrote:
kwkmrorange wrote:
Hello, I live in Canada where we are in the process of decriminalizing marjuana. This would be mean that it would be similar to alcohol or cigarettes in that stores would need a license to sell it, and could only sell to people over a certain age. I personally think this is a great idea because it will help destroy almost all gangs source of income, it will make marjuana safer by controlling what can be added to it and it will make money for the government. This started me thinking wouldnt it make sence to decriminalize all if not most drugs. This would stop alot of the problems in countires such as cocaine by giving farmers a legal source of income, make drugs safer and stop all drug related crime. Now while I know some drugs can be very dangerous and hazordus to your health so is smoking and it is legal. I think as long as proper rules are placed around them it could work very well. What do you guys think about this? | ---Hello, you are completely WRONG... The current government wants Marijuana to be decriminalized; it is still ILLEGAL. The difference is that when kids get busted with Marijuana it is not going to be a felony offence that will give them a CRIMINAL record for the rest of their lives. A criminal record is a devastating thing that removes a lot of opportunities, as it should. What will happen is that a fine like a traffic ticket will be issued. ---Also, growers and dealers will get much more harsh penalties and jail times. If a kid has more then X-grams, it pushes him/her up to dealer status. (Big time trouble) Also new technologies are comming online to bust growers in Canada, so kids stay away from the dope... This is what has been explained to me by a gov rep the first time this bill came by about 30? months ago. |
No I am pretty sure I am right here. They are attempting to make it so that you can smoke marjuana in your home without it havng any negative legal reprocution on you. We were talking about it the other day in my careers class and the year before in my english and last year it was in the Ottawa Citizen many many times. ( thats one of the biggest news papers in Ottawa) now unless I completly mis enterpreted what the paper printed or they had their facts completely wrong I am pretty sure I am right. |
WOW!!!, Thanks for the info, I'll check into it. The new proposed law must have been amended, if thats true....
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Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 10:25pm
Even if they legalized these drugs i wouldn't take them anyway but I'm gonna say legalize pot with the same rules for beer but not legalize harder drugs. I predict that there would be a sudden outbreak of drug use for a little while but it would probably die off soon after without causing much trouble.
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Posted By: untouchable555
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 10:44pm
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If they do legalize pot it would help with the forbiden fruit effect. I am 14 and i think that it should be legalized so people lose interest. If the government put the proper laws on it they could make money off of it, it could help the economy if u think about it. But i think there should be a limit of 21 just like alchol. Alchol kills more than drugs and it is still legal. Tobbaco is legal and it kills more than drugs. But all of the harder drugs must remain illegal because they can kill you first time. IF you are 21 you should be able to smoke pot, come on, if your 18 they expect you to vote and be in the military but you cant choose what you smoke. Its rediculous. Pot isnt that bad of a drug, the only problem is people driving while being high, that would be dangerous but it is the same with alchol and its still legal
Bottom line: pot should be legal
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 10:55pm
Im totally against legallizing marijuana and other illicit drugs period and if that becomes a reality, then all the other drugs that are known to everyone in the US should be legal as well and if you really look at the big picture, a person who is out of cash will do anything and would commit a crime, like shoplifting, mugging someone fer the money, etc, jus to get a high and feel good and if you think legallizing drugs will bring the crime down....no it wont, fer instance, in California there is the Cannabis Club, theyre a non profit organization that caters to people who are suffering from some kind sickness like cancer and in order fer some to qualify to recieve medicimal marijuana, that person would need a written permission from a physician and you know what, its alot of BULLCRAP!, I know people that have gone around the doctor and still recieve it and they dont even have any type of sickness and heres another example in trying to legallize weed, last year in San Francisco, there was a huge city wide blackout, during this blackout, Cannabis Club got robbed at gun point by several individuals weilding automatic pistols, they stole $20,000 in cash and stole at least $10,000 worth of marijuana, the perps were never caught due to the cameras at the club were dead because of the blackout.....I can go forever on tellin everyone in here of all my experiences wit drugs and the people Ive known in the past that used them....drugs never solved anyone's problems.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 10:57pm
Driving high isn't really that bad... It doesn't really distort your view or anything like alcohol does.
I'm not saying it's 100% safe, but it's nowhere near as dangerous as people (especially the media) think. I know many people who drive just as well high as when they're not; possibly because they're too paranoid to speed or break any traffic laws.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 10:59pm
Evil_fingers.... I do believe that the GOVERNMENT raided the Cannabis Club. That may have been a seperate incident, but I remember reading about a government bust on their building.
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Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:02pm
Ah jesus- no one hit the big issue here. I can assure you the American Government doesn't care about the effects [of marijuana] anymore than your dog. The American government has actually come real close to it until President Nixon went into office, then trashed the entire bill. The reason they don't legalize it is because they can't tax it. Right now, a grower/ dealer makes a fortune off of it. They probably put $50 into a plant and receive $400 in return. Plus, they get another plant. No matter what company decides to package and market the product, the growers will always be able to sell it cheaper since it is a plant. Just like buying tomato seeds at the store, you get a lot more tomatos cheaper than buying them individually. The businesses that attmpt to sell it will do horrible, therefore they don't dial pay-a-congressman to open a dead-end market.
Alcohol is worse than marijuana, but the reason alcohol is legal is because it takes lots of time, equipment, skill, and knowqledge to make. A plant takes dirt and water with some sunlight. The effects between the two are not the issues.
Plus, some gang affliated inmates are very violent, and some haven't been caught for their violence but instead for posession of marijuana. The illegalization of the product gives law enforcment officers a chance to arrest not-so-desirable people and improve chances of finding a more serious felony/ charge.
It's not morals that dictate why marijuana is illegal, it's money and a good excuse for arrests.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:05pm
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More conspiracy theorists... good lord.
Pot is currently illegal because most Americans want it that way. Period. Even in Alaska, the most libertarian state in the country, a referendum failed to pass a popular vote. Any politician seriously talking about legalizing would never be elected.
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:07pm
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Bunkered wrote:
Driving high isn't really that bad... It doesn't really distort your view or anything like alcohol does. I'm not saying it's 100% safe, but it's nowhere near as dangerous as people (especially the media) think. I know many people who drive just as well high as when they're not; possibly because they're too paranoid to speed or break any traffic laws. |
I wouldnt say that, try smokin some chronic (marijuana), that stuff aint no joke behind the wheel....back in 94' a co-worker of mine turned me on to some chronic, I took a few puffs and I was higher than the Columbia Space Shuttle...after that I drove off to the local club where I was going to meet more of my friends and when I pulled to my usual parking space (a loading dock near the club), I started wondering what street I took to get where I was and I couldnt remember crap, sat in my truck fer a whole hour trying to figure out what I did and hoping I wasnt going in the wrong direction on a one way street...after the buzz was gone, I did what I do best...drink a little and mingle wit the ladies.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:15pm
Ummm....
Try Hydro. Way better than chronic.
People have ridden with me in the car, and both high and non-high people agree that I'm still a good driver. I avoid driving, but it's not a big deal if I have to.
I would never drive drunk. I don't even like to drink, so that'd be tough anyways.
I'd recommend being a good driver in your natural state of mind before you trying any other types of driving....
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Posted By: rootsradicals
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:20pm
after the buzz was gone, I did what I do best...drink a little and mingle wit the ladies. (i'm too lazy to click the "quote" button)
thats the way to be evil anyways, can't
say i've ever had chronic. But I'll throw in my 2 cents...again.
Driving high isn't really that hard at all, for me at least. Depends on
what you've had I guess....some stuff doesn't mess you up too bad,
while others.....wow, thats a whole different story.
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:20pm
Im coo on what yer talkin bout Bunkered and Im totally clean from any form of drugs (use to be an acid head too) and now I say I can get high jus by lookin at customized cars and trucks....besides, drinkin beer and liquor is better.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:23pm
Haha. Obviously you have never seen yourself drive outside of the driver seat perception. Of course you think your a good driver when your perception is in a altered state.
I think I am a good driver after a good night of drinking, but the major dings in my car say otherwise.
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 03 November 2004 at 11:28pm
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Hades wrote:
I think I am a good driver after a good night of drinking, but the major dings in my car say otherwise. |
Hmmmmmm, that sounds like 95% of the people that drives like that in California.
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Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 12:36am
How did I post a conspiracy theory? If I said I'm going to open a store to make money, is that a conspiracy? You can't reply saying "Oh crap, 'nother one 'o them conspiracy fellers." Honestly, do you pay tax on the tomatos you grow in your garden? Well, not until you sell them at a fruit stand. Do you think "Homie G" is going to remember to set aside a few bucks and report to the IRS how much marijuana he sold today? You honestly think the public opinion matters. Thats what marketing is for, to modify the public's opinion. It's actually pretty much a science. My fiance is going to school for marketing, and I described it exactly as it is- an element that is perceived [visually or audibly] to influence consumers. It's not conspiracy. Conspiracy is saying the government is trying to keep it illegal so they can connect everyone to the illegal drug and force every to go to jail and everyone become slaves of the government. Conspiracy is an action or plan for two or more people to commit a crime or accomplish a legal goal through illegal action. Taxation is not illegal, nor is marketing. Do not refer to me as a conspiracy theorist if you don't know what it means.
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Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 12:41am
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Legalize Ganja, hash and shrooms, hard **edited** is dangerous!
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 10:38am
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LordJovian wrote:
Do not refer to me as a conspiracy theorist if you don't know what it means. |
You posted a conspiracy theory, and that makes you a conspiracy theorist.
conspiracy theory n.
- A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.
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Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 12:35pm
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Clark's right, you did post a conspiracy theory...
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Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 12:52pm
i was reading the newpaper and there is a marijuana party?wtf
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Posted By: pimptastik
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 1:10pm
well i didnt read the whole thing but im thinking this u said no more gang income. the goverment might just make it legal but maybe some ppl lace PCP in there blunt. i believe angel dust is illegil and it still would be bad... its like this some ppl like booze but then some ppl like there booze 100% proof *moonshine* and that is illegal but ppl still get it and drink it.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 1:51pm
no moonshine isnt illeagl, the proof doesnt have much to do with it, its just that if you make moonshine, you arent paying taxes on it, there is a guy in the shanendoas in virginia that has a company, it makes moonshine, thier trademark is a lightningbolt
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Posted By: kwkmrorange
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 6:18pm
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evil_fingers wrote:
Im totally against legallizing marijuana and other illicit drugs period and if that becomes a reality, then all the other drugs that are known to everyone in the US should be legal as well and if you really look at the big picture, a person who is out of cash will do anything and would commit a crime, like shoplifting, mugging someone fer the money, etc, jus to get a high and feel good and if you think legallizing drugs will bring the crime down....no it wont, fer instance, in California there is the Cannabis Club, theyre a non profit organization that caters to people who are suffering from some kind sickness like cancer and in order fer some to qualify to recieve medicimal marijuana, that person would need a written permission from a physician and you know what, its alot of BULLCRAP!, I know people that have gone around the doctor and still recieve it and they dont even have any type of sickness and heres another example in trying to legallize weed, last year in San Francisco, there was a huge city wide blackout, during this blackout, Cannabis Club got robbed at gun point by several individuals weilding automatic pistols, they stole $20,000 in cash and stole at least $10,000 worth of marijuana, the perps were never caught due to the cameras at the club were dead because of the blackout.....I can go forever on tellin everyone in here of all my experiences wit drugs and the people Ive known in the past that used them....drugs never solved anyone's problems. |
Are you saying that people dont need medicinal marjuana?
I would agree with you until I saw a fairly lengthy news story ( about 2 hours) this summer talking about a place in B.C. where they are aloud to sell marjuana to people who have a doctors note. This isnt a place for junkies and people who want to get stoned. There was one guy there in a wheelchair who was in some of the worst shape I have ever seen a person in. He could hardly speak and trembled continously so much that when he had to sigh his name there was no way he could hold the pen. He needed it because without it he was in constant pain and would throw up his pills that helped his disease. ( I cannot remember the name of the disease)
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Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 6:46pm
The whole alchohol kills more people on drunk driving than weed is stupid. If marijuana was as easy too access as alchohol I think the death rate of driving high would be just as high as alchohol.
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Posted By: SuperXero
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:18pm
Urgh, everyone talking about how peope would just grow it and sell it in their store; that would be just as illegal as making a brewary in your garage without a permit and selling the beer on the street corner.
The gov't is trying to legalize marijuana so they can sell it in their stores, like the LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario). This guarantees all profit goes to the gov't. Profit is the only reason they would legalize it.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:35pm
impulse wrote:
The whole alchohol kills more people on drunk driving than weed is stupid. If marijuana was as easy too access as alchohol I think the death rate of driving high would be just as high as alchohol. |
Doubtful.
I've been stoned, and I've been drunk (never driven drunk though).
I've seen people stoned, and I've seen people drunk.
I trust the drunk people FAR less behind the wheel than the stoned ones.
And Hades... OTHER people (non-high) said I drove just as well high as otherwise.
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Posted By: untouchable555
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:42pm
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The government needs the money to. If the government did legalize it, they would finnally have enough money to pay off thier dept.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 8:45pm
I wouldn't go that far Untouchable...
As soon as the government started raking in money from drugs, they'd start cranking it out to pay for some other government program.
I don't think I actually made a direct answer to the topic question, so I will now.
Marijuana should be legal.
Not the "harder" drugs, but Marijuana is not all that bad. I would be willing to argue that it is far safer than alcohol or cigarettes, yet it's still illegal.
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Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 8:59pm
Is it itrue that our miney has drugs in it? If so what kind. Maybe our forefathers are trying to send us a message... Or maybe I'm just a little tired and had to many potatoes and too much cheese.
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Posted By: untouchable555
Date Posted: 04 November 2004 at 9:01pm
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Yea bunkered i think you are right about the government using it to pay for some other program now that i think about. but the government still could slighty profit off of it
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 November 2004 at 1:03am
Bunkered wrote:
And Hades... OTHER people (non-high) said I drove just as well high as otherwise. |
I will only believe you when a cop tells me that you drove nicely while high.
And I bet you werent going 70 down the freeway in heavy traffic either....
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 05 November 2004 at 2:41am
Well, I am going to disagree with the points made about leaglizing pot.
Effects :
Short term problems
- Increased appitite
- Increased Blood presure
- memory loss
- vomiting (in some cases)
- Delusions
Long Term
- Phycological disorders
- Cancer of head neck and lungs
- Decreased testosterone levels
- Infertility
- Weakend immune system
Those are just scratching the surface.
There are nearly 1,000 different chemicals in a single joint, including
twice the ammount of tar as a cigarrette. The main chemcial,
Tetrahydrocannabinol, more commenly known as THC, can linger in your
body for months as it is absobed by fats. Nearly 1/3rd of your
brain is fat, you do the math.
I dont know about you, but that doesnt sound good to me.
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 05 November 2004 at 3:19am
Darur wrote:
Well, I am going to disagree with the points made about leaglizing pot.
Effects :
Short term problems
- Increased appitite
- Increased Blood presure
- memory loss
- vomiting (in some cases)
- Delusions
Long Term
- Phycological disorders
- Cancer of head neck and lungs
- Decreased testosterone levels
- Infertility
- Weakend immune system
Those are just scratching the surface.
There are nearly 1,000 different chemicals in a single joint, including twice the ammount of tar as a cigarrette. The main chemcial, Tetrahydrocannabinol, more commenly known as THC, can linger in your body for months as it is absobed by fats. Nearly 1/3rd of your brain is fat, you do the math.
I dont know about you, but that doesnt sound good to me.
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Posted By: kwkmrorange
Date Posted: 05 November 2004 at 9:27am
Eww lower levels of testostrone thats really grose.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 November 2004 at 9:31am
Darur wrote:
Well, I am going to disagree with the points made about leaglizing pot.
Effects :
Short term problems
- Increased appitite
- Increased Blood presure
- memory loss
- vomiting (in some cases)
- Delusions
Long Term
- Phycological disorders
- Cancer of head neck and lungs
- Decreased testosterone levels
- Infertility
- Weakend immune system
Those are just scratching the surface.
There are nearly 1,000 different chemicals in a single joint, including twice the ammount of tar as a cigarrette. The main chemcial, Tetrahydrocannabinol, more commenly known as THC, can linger in your body for months as it is absobed by fats. Nearly 1/3rd of your brain is fat, you do the math.
I dont know about you, but that doesnt sound good to me.
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Now write up that same list for a common (legal) tobacco cigarette.
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Posted By: roadrunner0535
Date Posted: 05 November 2004 at 9:35am
its a great idea...it was legal in cali for quite some time...i don't think it is anymore
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 06 November 2004 at 4:26am
Clark Kent wrote:
Darur wrote:
Well, I am going to disagree with the points made about leaglizing pot.
Effects :
Short term problems
- Increased appitite
- Increased Blood presure
- memory loss
- vomiting (in some cases)
- Delusions
Long Term
- Phycological disorders
- Cancer of head neck and lungs
- Decreased testosterone levels
- Infertility
- Weakend immune system
Those are just scratching the surface.
There are nearly 1,000
different chemicals in a single joint, including twice the ammount of
tar as a cigarrette. The main chemcial, Tetrahydrocannabinol,
more commenly known as THC, can linger in your body for months as it is
absobed by fats. Nearly 1/3rd of your brain is fat, you do the
math.
I dont know about you, but that doesnt sound good to me.
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Now write up that same list for a common (legal) tobacco cigarette.
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Short Term effects
- Increased Hearth rate
- Drop in skin tempurture
- Damage to the lungs
Long term effects
- Increased possibility of cancer of the lungs, mouth, throat, colon, pancreas, bladder, kidneys, stomach, and cervix.
- Emphysema
- Chronic Bronchitis
- Increased possibilitys of ulcers
- Heart Disease
- Increased chances of heart attacks and strokes
I certinetly do not support Tobacco, and if I had it my way it would be
made illegal. My grandfather smoked for many years, I learned
from him never to start, just seeing how painful and rough it was for
him in the end.
I do not support the smoking of anything, its just plain bad.
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Posted By: JoeG254-PB
Date Posted: 06 November 2004 at 7:11am
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I'm not sure where I stand on this I'm morally opossed but I'm not sure if the government should have a say in this
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Posted By: roadrunner0535
Date Posted: 06 November 2004 at 7:52am
if nader was elected...he was gunna make mary-jane legal in the u.s. 2
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