is weed addicting?
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Topic: is weed addicting?
Posted By: gnarkill
Subject: is weed addicting?
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:41pm
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is it? ------------- 
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Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:44pm
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I hear it's not. I wouldn't know though. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:44pm
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Here we go again..... ------------- 
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:44pm
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Yes. I know some people who just like can't stop smoking
it... I'm not sure if that counts as an addiction or the fact
that they're just morons...
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Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:45pm
| No. it is not addictive. |
Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:45pm
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Kinda, some people like the feeling and constantly want it to acheive that same high but they always need more everytime. There are no chemicals inside that make you addicted like nicatene but it's kinda the same. ------------- I need to find smaller pictures for my profile. |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:47pm
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Yes, it is addictive to those who have been smokin fer years. Fer me, I quit back in 92' and it got too expensive. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition! 
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:48pm
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no
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Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:49pm
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Not chemically addictive anyway. -------------  http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: MuRdoc18
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:50pm
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Solipsism wrote:Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:57pm
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Anything that makes you feel good is addictive.
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Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:59pm
oh great now i have to go to MFMA(my friends mom annonomous) |
Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:59pm
well i would know because ive never tried it. we have some weird people on these here forums. 
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Posted By: dye4dom420
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:59pm
In that case, ProDigY is addictive.... Forgot the capital Y....  |
Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 8:59pm
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I'd have to agree.
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Posted By: BradNowell
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:00pm
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NO MATTER WHAT ANY ONE SAYS IT IS NOT ADDICTIVE IN ANY WAY!!!! NOT
MENTAL PHYSICAL!!!!! if you want to stop you can.....most people dont
want to say that so say they are addicted.
------------- "When I travel through mountainous areas or places of questionable hillbilly population, I usually keep a gun in the vehicle" -Da Hui |
Posted By: Justin98
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:01pm
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yes it is addictive, anyone who says it isn't is a moron or in denial. ------------- 
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Posted By: BradNowell
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:01pm
addictive means that your body needs it. sex feels good but i'm not addicted. ------------- "When I travel through mountainous areas or places of questionable hillbilly population, I usually keep a gun in the vehicle" -Da Hui |
Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:02pm
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point where the person needs the drug in order to keep the "status quo" (so to speak). For example, somebody who is addicted to heroine relies on the heroine. If they stop taking it they'll start jonesing. A person addicted to cigarettes will get headaches and won't be able to sleep (among other things) upon quitting. A person could smoke pot every day for five years and then one day they could quit and they'd be fine. The body doesn't develop a NEED for marijuana like it does with drugs that are addictive. No, it's not addictive -- People who say it is are retards. ------------- 
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:02pm
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Man, this thread is startin to remind me of "reefer madness". ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:03pm
| You're already dumb enough gnarkill, don't kill more brain cells. |
Posted By: kiolia
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:03pm
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it's not physically addictive, as in, you won't go nuts or get sick if you quit, but it is psychologically addictive, as in, you get addicted to the "feeling" of being high, the same way people can get addicted to the feelings of cutting themselves, or gambling, or sex. This does, however, make it a good deal less difficult to quit than cigerettes or the worse stuff. You don't have to stand up to your body demanding the substance, just your brain...
Also, weed affects your memory and motivation brain centers over the long-term, so it's not as if you're not hurting yourself whether you're addicted or not. I've never tried the stuff and don't plan to. ------------- http://www.kiolia.com/shadowfolk"> 
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:04pm
Have you ever tried marijuana? My guess is no. Oh, yeah, if you buy pot you're also supporting terrorism. -------------
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Posted By: BradNowell
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:05pm
haha my pot comes from vermont. And you knoe those vermont terrorists
no it doesnt.......just another lie to get kids not to try the "devil plant"! time or a rant! I bet almost all of you took D.A.R.E in school. Almost every thing they told you is a lie. Kills brain cells no. It have long term affects ahha no. Kills sperm, if that was true almost 1/2 of american men wouldnt be having kids. Weed is worse than cigs, in some cases it acually helps people to breath with asma (sp) and you cant forget the good stuff. It is a pain killer. People with cancer could smoke and not feel the horrable pain. And it would be good for american economy. The govermant could tax it and make soooooooo much money. And if you think that it will destroy america just look at holland.Nothing wrong there! ------------- "When I travel through mountainous areas or places of questionable hillbilly population, I usually keep a gun in the vehicle" -Da Hui |
Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:07pm
For some people it may be, but you can't assume that anybody who smokes pot is going to become addicted to the feeling of getting high; just like not everybody who gambles gets addicted. It can be psychologically addictive, but truthfully it's rare. -------------
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Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:09pm
idk, ask clinton...
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Posted By: kiolia
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:09pm
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:11pm
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Ok I think the guys with no pot experience that are talking from their
asses should step back. I could whack off every day and I could get
high every day. I could stop toking up whenever I wanted but not in
this lifetime will I ever be able to give up wanking it.... If
masturbation is more addictive to me than weed than im not too worried.
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:12pm
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D'oh ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:15pm
 Teehee------------- I need a new Sig... |
Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:15pm
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I don't know. I can't mess with my lungs at all because I'm a trumpet player...
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:16pm
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So, by your own definition anything can be addictive if it feels good, depending on a persons brain chemestry... No arguments there at all. But that said, I don't think it's fair to classify marijuana as an addictive drug as a result of that. You said so yourself, it's the chemcials excreted from the brain that causes the addiction, not the marijuana itself. The addiction stems from the person's brain chemestry, not the marijuana itself, no? Just for the record, I'm by no means a pothead. I wouldn't even classify myself as a pot user. We're talking like once or twice every six months, here. -------------
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Posted By: BradNowell
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:17pm
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haha once or twice a day.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:18pm
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So many experts, so little knoweledge or facts. ------------- 
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:18pm
I dont think its really addictive, I mean you wont turn it down if you
have some or you and a friend want to do it, but after your all soberd
up you dont go around fiending, and begging for it... I think it just
enhanses the fun you get when you Watch Cartoon network... 
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:20pm
like ninety times. For the record, you come off as really immature when you do it. Just thought you might like to know. And Hades: Join in on the debate... This is a pretty good one. (I'm curious to see which side you're on) -------------
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Posted By: BradNowell
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:23pm
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ummmmmmm i mean i dont smoke once or twice a day??
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Posted By: JBird33
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:27pm
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It is not addictive. Sure, there are stoners out there, but they aren't "addicted." There isn't a chemical bodily reaction taking place like smoking, heroin, etc. Stoners like to get high, fat people like to eat, and sex freaks like to waste entire paychecks at the strip club. None of them are addicted to anything. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tippmannshooter
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:29pm
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Only evil people smoke the reefer of course.............
No really, I smoke weed. Only on friday and saturday nights. I carefully moderate my stoning. In moderation, I have no problems. Some of my idiot friends who smoke every day, are totally shot because of it. Some of my friends have built up huge tolerances and require 2 bowls to feel anything. Due to my moderation strategy I get very messed up very easy. It saves money ya know, and makes getting high alot easier. Why do I smoke? I started for a really bad reason, simply because I could get away with it. Then I was like "Whoa this is fun", so I continued. It hasn't affected my social life, it hasn't affected my school work. Weed is like ADD medicine for me, it helps me focus. I toked before studying for my finals last year, I got all A's on my finals. I don't drink, I don't smoke cigarettes. Just a little pot on weekends. And its fun. |
Posted By: High Voltage
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:29pm
not to be an ass, but clinton is not known for his honesty...  -------------
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Posted By: JBird33
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 9:33pm
Meh...I'd rather have a pothead president than someone who ran lines back in his college days like 'ole W -------------
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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:01pm
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Like kiolia said, it's psychologically addictive..
But to answer prodigy's point that anything can be addictive: Yes, it can, but as kiolia ALSO said, getting high sounds like it feels pretty good. Generally, (although I have to word this carefully so Clark Kent doesn't try to rip my semantics apart[not to whine or flame him, but I'm getting really tired of arguing points that everyone else seems to understand]) I would say that the better something feels, the more likely someone is to get psychologically addicted to it. Make sense? Again, I can't just pick an article out of my butt and cite it, but I think it makes sense. So pot may not be an 'addictive drug' in the regular sense, but it's a closer margin than, say, Tylenol. In fact, if psychology studies and neurochemistry studies merge together much more over the next few years, I wouldn't be surprised if someone found some subtle way to show that pot is addictive, it's just harder to prove. Personally, I hate the idea of it, since in my opinion anything that alters your mood should be under control for people with real psychological problems, but if there was some way to at least get people away from the general population while the smoke, that'd be better than it is now. Say you don't do it as much as you like, but people DO drive stoned (and the more impaired you are, the more likely you are to decide to do it). I'd rather not see people killed by stoners who didn't know better. And for the people who say D.A.R.E. is all wrong, I suggest you back up your information. They did. Everything they say, taken literally, is true (at least the officers I had were like that). None of them said "OGMZ TEH POT ESH BAD SMOKING WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE FOREVER ARRR". Also, for those who say there are NO physical effects to marijuana... you're inhaling SMOKE into your lungs. That can't be good for them. May be minor, but ZERO effects is definitely not true. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:09pm
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It's not addictive. I smoked it for awhile, then i just stopped...
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:10pm
Minor? You have got to be kidding me, its twice as bad as tobacco. Granted one smokes tobacco more than marijuana but none the less its terrible. Previously posted by me : Effects : Short term problems
There are nearly 1,000 different chemicals in a single joint, including twice the ammount of tar as a cigarrette. The main chemcial, Tetrahydrocannabinol, more commenly known as THC, can linger in your body for months as it is absobed by fats. Nearly 1/3rd of your brain is fat, you do the math. I dont know about you, but that doesnt sound good to me. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:14pm
Or a scientist... Tell me, have you ever tried it? I started smoking reefer a few months ago... Smoked about every other day for a couple of weeks. Then I got in trouble with my parents, and I quit. I still felt normal, didn't go through withdrawals, and had no trouble with not smoking. A couple of months later, I made a conscious decision that I don't have a problem with it... So now I smoke "socially" but (as I have learned) I can quit at any time without a problem if it's necessary. ------------- 
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Posted By: [Mr. Smith]
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:15pm
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same, just one day i didnt feel like it no more. its not adicting at all. ------------- Proud owner of an ACE'd 2K3 matrix  |
Posted By: NiQ-Toto
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:24pm
Say what you will about me, but in my mind pot is for idiots who dont know any better... ------------- ///AMG What? |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:37pm
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Sorry if I don't buy the stuff that a GOVERNMENT SPONSORED health class feeds me.
I'm not saying pot is harmless physically, but I'd say that society and the government hype up its downsides WAY beyond what they really are. Some of the smartest, and best students at my school smoke pot; some of them are high just about every day. I'm talking AP/Honors classes, all A's, good test grades, everything. -------------
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Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:41pm
Hypocrits(sp?) are people who doent know any better as well... It only stays in your system for at most 1 1/2 months. I smoked pot for 4 years, then I finally decided to quit, and I did. The people who toke are addicted to the fun they have on it. Trust me, it can be fffuuunnnn. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:44pm
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:45pm
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that have made (I will at some point, Senn, I promise). I'd just like to remind you all that there's a BIG difference between negative effects and addiction... You've listed effects of smoking it, not quitting it. If a person ate juicy, salty, fatty steaks every day for their entire life there would definately be some negative reprocussions. All you've really said is that bad things happen when you smoke pot -- Which hardly makes it addictive. And senn, suggesting that people become addicted to things solely because it feels good is one factor of MANY. To suggest that is the key factor is, I feel, assuming too much. If it were I doubt that people who have never won a single bet in their lives would be addicted to gambling. It doesn't feel good to lose. -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:45pm
I am just pointing out the facts there. Studies have been done. Most of the points I listed were from Laulima Hawaii. The director goes around Hawaii to educate students and bussinesses about drugs. He is about the most respected expert in the field of drugs in Hawaii. The government may exageratte some stuff, but I dont think the fact that it was taught in health class in school matters. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:46pm
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its a drug its a drug its a drug, just like alcohol, only school and everything else has made the little plant into "the devil" jeez, if people were responsible with it, your not going to run around looking like a brain dead moron, its just like everything else, its fine in moderation ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:49pm
No need to do all the replies. I think you misunderstood what I said, or maybe someone slipped something into my Pepsi. I'm saying that *if* people become psychologically addicted to something because it feels good, it's likely that the better it feels, the more likely addiction is. I never said it was the key factor (I don't think). I'm not one of those uber anti-pot campaigners, I just don't like it personally and don't want myself or anyone else to be harmed by people using it. That includes smokers. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:54pm
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Darur: I don't doubt that the guy knows some stuff... But all of his studies are obviously going to be biased.
There are also studies that have been done and showed marijuana to be BENEFICIAL to a person's health. I don't believe either side of it. All I know is that I would very much prefer to see a friend (or myself for that matter) stoned than drunk. Drinking has far worse effects, but people don't harp on anyone who drinks NEARLY as badly as someone who smokes a joint or two on the weekend. -------------
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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 10:57pm
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I made a deal with my best friend saying that I can't smoke pot and she can't have sex O_O
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 11:00pm
I would rather myself and my friends be neither high or drunk. However could you show us these reports that it is good? ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 11:02pm
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has anybody read "Go Ask Alice" i have and that story seams pretty real to me. she even says "Anybody who thinks pot and acid arent addicting are (edited) morons!" so theres my side. -------------  
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 11:13pm
A few were actually posted on here quite a while ago. I shall search for them. To the search engine Robin! -------------
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Posted By: JBird33
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 11:29pm
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Geez, what the heck kinda deal is that?! You both lost out on that one! How about you can only smoke pot if you're about to have sex with her? That's more like it! -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 11:33pm
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Arg.
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 10 November 2004 at 11:49pm
I was watching my movie and skimmed it more than anything; I assumed you were joining in on the debate, but you hardly were. Sorry about that. Out of curiosity, though, you haven't really said whether or not you consider marijuana to be addictive...What are your thoughts? Darur... You're stating all these facts, but they're completely irrelevant. We're not debating the fact that marijuana has negative effects, we're talking about if it's addictive. Just because something is bad for you doesn't mean it's addictive... (ahem, see previous post) -------------
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Posted By: Justin98
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:05am
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I'm not 8 years old as you tried to point out before...i just didn't feel like getting into a **edited**y argument with a buch of retards.
You can get addicted to the care free calmness lifestyle that some users get from using marijuana. It is rare to get physical withdrawal. Heavy smokers who have built up a considerable amount of THC in their fatty tissue can experience physical withdrawal after not having any marijuana for a considerable time. In 1995, 165,000 people entering drug treatment programs reported marijuana as their primary drug of abuse, showing they need help to stop using the drug. 165,000 said they were addicted..... -------------
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:10am
 Yeah!!! Mark this day, boys. Justin and I finally agree.  -------------
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Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:12am
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You just twisted facts.
Saying you have a problem with drug abuse doesn't mean you're addicted. Marijuana is NOT physically addictive, nor is it any more mentally addictive than any activity. You call everyone here idiots... Funny, because I think we're all thinking the same about you; at least all of #Paintball is (BTW, very few people in #Paintball smoke pot). -------------
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Posted By: Justin98
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:16am
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why the hell would you be abusing it if you weren't addicted?......ass -------------
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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:17am
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My thoughts: Marijuana is psychologically addictive, as I said. I also said that I'm against anything that alters a person's mood except for strictly medical reasons (ie clinical depression).
I think that the way that marijuana affects the brain is not only very 'fun' to people who smoke, but the effect of feeling good is amplified by the same effect. In other words, the alteration that makes people feel good also impairs them, and that impairment makes the effect stronger (idle speculation on my part). I think that if someone tries marijuana once in their life, most likely nothing will come of it. However, I also think that this isn't likely: I remember reading a personal account from a marijuana user who explained how she ended up wanting that first high so bad that she ended up smoking all the time to satisfy that search for the perfect high. Even if I'm totally wrong and every pot smoker out there can quit in a single day with no further problems, the fact remains: You're still inhaling smoke into your lungs. I think we can all agree that smoke is bad for your lungs. A weird analogy that most people will argue against is this: Smoking notebook paper has no physical effects as far as brain chemistry, but the smoke you inhale damages you. Combine that with the fact that no matter how 'responsible' a smoker is, severe impairment may allow a person to start driving around despite their better judgment, and I have plenty of reasons for not disliking marijuana use. And another add-on: Yes, you may be a smoker and be doing extremely well regardless, but there are still tons of people whose lives have divebombed after trying pot, and many of them blame it for their problems. I don't think they're ALL lying or wrong... some people have definitely watched their lives go to pieces from behind a joint. Despite all my dislike for marijuana (yes, I hold to the 'don't pollute God's temple [your body] argument that many cite in these debates), I don't call for outright banning of it. I think it'd be best, but at least right NOW, marijuana hasn't become a massive problem, certainly not to the extent that alcoholism has. I'd prefer to take care of it before it does become a serious problem, but it's probably the least harmful of the issues that I am against. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:17am
Heh...well I don't want her having sex and she doesn't want me smoking...it's fair enough. -------------
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:19am
I know, I was merely bringing up the negative side of it. AdmiralSenn
lightly touched on how some people thought it was harmless so I decided
to post reasons why it can be harmful, didnt think it would draw much
from the matter at hand.
On topic though I do agree with AdmiralSenn in that if it feels good a person is more likley to become addicted, even if it is not physically addicting. Some people might not be affected by it as much as others, it all depends upon their body, but I do beleive for some people it could be very addictive. Fortunetly I have never used drugs so I cant confirm this but I have spoken to people that have tried it. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: CHiKUN PiMP
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:21am
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http://my.webmd.com/content/article/74/89068.htm?lastselecte dguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}
^^Smoking Marijuana cannot kill you http://my.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309.htm?lastse lectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348} ^^Marijuana not likely to cause lung, neck, or head cancer <rips bong> And you'll copy and paste or do without, chump! |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:29am
Well, it depends on your definition of "abuse." The government considers "abuse" of marijuana smoking it a SINGLE TIME. If you got caught smoking, even if you were a "responsible smoker" (as Senn put it), you could get put into a drug rehab center for "abuse." My definition of abuse is much the same as my definition of alcohol abuse: You're constantly high, you waste all your money on buying it, it massively effects your work/school life, and you allow it to become your social life rather than just being an "enhancer." Marijuana is not addictive, and no amount of "OGM, POT ESH TEH BADZ0RZ FOR YOU! IF YOU SMOKE TEH REEFER YOU'RE A TERRIBLE PERSON AND ARE GOING TO HELL!!!11!1" is going to change that fact. Don't call me an ass... Sheep. -------------
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Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 10:49am
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So much bull**edited** on here it's unbelievable. First off, those who
know drink and are complaining about pot I suggest you take a look at
what alcohol really is. It's a neuropoison, highly addictive, can
cause death during withdrawal (and acute alcohol poisoning kills),
heavy abuse can causes very serious mental and physical damage.
Now lets compare that to cannabis... the smoke is harmful? Ok
thats all the proven FACTS out the way with, there has never been ANY
cases of death, it is proven to NOT be physically addictive (yes
psychologically, but whats the point in talking about that when
EVERYTHING can be psychologically addictive), never has there been a
case of cancer that was been proven to be the direct cause of cannabis
smoking. If you want facts for this then I suggest you read all
the information this website has on cannabis, http://www.erowid.org - EROWID . At the end of the day, what right do you have to say what other people do with themselves as long as it affects no one else? Thats like me saying paintball is addictive and should be illegal because some people waste all there money on it. Not right no, we live in a so called free society but it's far from it. How can you say we have freedom when my pasttime (and many others peoples) is illegal when it affects no one? It's not harming you so if you don't want to smoke so just don't, know one is forcing you. Btw, a large percent of violent crime is by people under the influence of ALCOHOL, cannabis relaxs you. Last point, cannabis can be eaten... now find some proven facts to show there is any damage at all from eating cannabis? And I don't mean just what you learnt in some bull**edited** government class, I mean a real scientific study in a real medical journal. As these socalled long term psychological problems have NO FACTS. |
Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 10:55am
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and the people in rahab centres are usually court ordered to be
there. And theres still so many points I left out, do some
research for yourself and you'll see rather then just believing what
one cop (or whoever) says who knows nothing on the subject. And
same goes for me, don't take my word for it look it up yourself in a
real scientific journal or website like the one I stated above. 1 drop of alcohol will do more damage to the brain then any amount of cannabis will ever do, why? because it does NO damage to the brain, again you can find the facts if you just done some research. |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 11:56am
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i'm not going into the argument here...but do you consider alcohol
addictive as well? just adding to the circuit another question...cause
alcohol isn't physically addictive as well...but there's support groups
such as AA and rehab centers for alcholics
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Nobody ever suspects the fun police!
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Posted By: whack-a-mole
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:16pm
------------- NASA and the Americans spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours to develop a pen that would write in space.....The Russians used a pencil. |
Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:16pm
| alcohol is very physically addictive (can cause death if stopped cold turkey), should get your facts right mate. |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:21pm
when you go to prove me wrong you should post facts to prove yer statement if yer gonna criticize me...i'm not saying im right and your wrong but if you wanna be a jerk about it then i'll be a jerk right back -------------
Nobody ever suspects the fun police!
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Posted By: dye4dom420
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:30pm
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I smoke maybe...four times a year. I used to smoke a lot, then I
stopped hanging out with those people, and now the only time I smoke is
when I am at a party, and those select few are there. I just consider
it a way to bond with some old friends. During the times when I smoked on every weekend, I was in no way addicted to it. Yes it made me feel good, but there are many other ways I can do that for myself, without hurting my body. I guess people with very little willpower can be addicted to it..pyschologically, but if you were a smoker like I was in any way, you'd know it is not addictive. ------------- 
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Posted By: jjclown23
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:32pm
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why do you think so many people smoke it? if it wasnt addicting why would it be in schools people passing it around and selling it? because they need it! And i know people who smoke it, they say its very addive, just like cocaine and herion. ------------- A-5 Response Trigger DOP Blade Trigger Polished Internals X-Chamber Custom Paint 14" J&J |
Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:38pm
Alcohol dependence is an
illness with four main features:
taken straight from http://www.wasc.noaa.gov/wrso/security_guide/alcohol.htm - here , sorry if i sounded like a 'jerk', but heres what you asked for. An example of a physical withdraw symptom from alcohol is the well known, it's the jitters and shakes. |
Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:40pm
Why you paintball? because it's addictive. Wrong I know, you probably do it because you enjoy it, thats why people smoke pot. What your friends say is not scientific evidenece, sounds like they don't know what addiction is. Are you also trying to tell me that everyone who drinks is only doing so because they are addicted? No. So please stop being so narrow-minded. |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 12:57pm
kk it's no problem...thanks for the info -------------
Nobody ever suspects the fun police!
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 1:17pm
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Screw the weed....jus gimme a bottle of Henny and I'll be set! ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 1:32pm
I'd say the same, but the other way round (because I like my brain cells). Each to there own, no one has the right to tell anyone else how to live there life. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 2:44pm
Big, big dissagreement there.
WRONG In the sixties you might as well smoke lawn clippings if you wanted to smoke marijuana. Today's marijuana has almost TWICE the amount of tetrahydrocannabinol as marijuana did in the 60's.
What the . . .? Dude, the left side of your brain is where logical thinking takes place, the RIGHT side is where creativity comes into play.
Thats clever, lets compare it with harmless everyday substences, makes it look safe. Sugar is NOT a drug. Sugar might make one a wee bit hyper but it does NOT affect the way one thinks. Caffine could be called a drug, but it does not affect your mind. If you need drugs to "think in new ways" you need major help. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: VTpaintballer
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 2:50pm
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i think it would be but maybe not maybe people are addiccted to the feeling of it?
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Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 2:54pm
| So you just admitted it's safer now then in the 60's as it's more potent, so you need to smoke less therefore causing less harm from the smoke. And caffeine does affect the mind, it affects the same pleasure centres as heroin and nicotine (dopemine relase, maybe wrong about it's name). and heres proof http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine_effects.shtml#addiction - here . If you can't accept that not everyone wants to live there life the same as you then you need major help. (thats at Darur) http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine_effects.shtml#addiction - |
Posted By: chs61224
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 2:59pm
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To someone that has an addictive personality it probably is addictive. In my experience though, it has not been addictive for me or anyone I know. ------------- All about the Snow. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:02pm
Alrighty, I looked at your articles, the first one I wont contest at the moment as I have no evidence against it. The second one I disagree with.
Um, the guy went out and looked to see what caused most of these
cancers, that doesnt do it. This is not proof that marijuana
doesnt cause cancer, its just picking random people and seeing if they
smoked marijuana. Doesnt provide much evidence.
What the . . .? Once again, this is just the community effects, no proof. This article proves NOTHING. Let me double check to make sure I am right in my comprehension. A doctor went out, found people with cancer and people without all
in one area. They all used tobacco, alchohal, and marijuana, and because the people without cancer also used marijuana it doesnt cause cancer. Am I right? Take it deeper. http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/18/marijuana.cancer/ - A similar study ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:15pm
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Want to take alook at http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info3.shtml - this ?
Much better article then those 3 and gives exact amounts of the
composition, and what about all the radioactive particles in tabacco
such as lead which are NOT present in cannabis. Also how does any
of this apply to oral cannabis, well it doesn't... And what about
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3561686.stm - this article , stating that cannabiols kills brain tumors. |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:16pm
I never said I "can't accept that not everyone wants to live there life the same as you", I am stating the facts. If you have a problem with the facts dont blame me. Tetrahydrocannabinol can cause damage to the brain and body, look at some of the other stuff I mentioned. P.S - Sorry for drawing away from the original debate, I had simpley planend to state the downsides of the drug. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: CHiKUN PiMP
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:17pm
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Darur, please just stop now. You have absolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about, you can spout off as many "facts" as you want (I can tell you at least HALF of those have been disproven). Until you've smoked marijuana you'll be in the dark about it. Think of it as paintball, at one point didn't you ever have doubts as to if paintball is dangerous or not? You now know it isn't, but if you were to listen to all the anti-gun soccer moms, what would you think then? Same thing with marijuana, although there are ALOT more anti-pot soccer moms than anti-paintball soccer moms. Now, why does that crazy Hawaiian pot "expert" say marijuana is bad? BECAUSE IT'S HIS JOB! How many people're gonna listen to him if he's praising marijuana? No one except stoners!
And today's pot DOES NOT have anymore THC than that of the 60's, ever heard of Purple Haze? Maybe you've heard of it, it was a legendary strain of the 60's and 70's but was wiped out by Fed's in N. America somewhere in the early 80's if I remember correctly. It was supposedly the absolute DANKEST CRAP EVER! The samples of pot they tested in the 60's weren't kept correctly and in many cases was kept in an evidence locker for months. Do you know about how long THC will stay in mary jane? Around 9 months. The transportation stage from grower to dealer to dealer is a LONG time frame it could be anywhere from 1 month to 5 MONTHS for regular grade commercial marijuana (Beasters, Kindbud, it goes by many names, I'm talking about what isn't Shwag for yous who know what I'm talking about). Most high grade dank you'll get(which I doubt very few of you, except hardcore stoners actually get. Your dealers lie kids), I'm talking stuff like White Widow, Super Skunk, AK-47,(and in austin...HIPPIE CRAAACK!!!! My favorite bud of all time, not actual crack you fiend  ) you know what I'm talking about! And what's bad about having more THC anyways? It'll just get you higher, hell I smoked HASH SMUGGLED FROM AMSTERDAM(AKA the dankest of the dank) my SECOND TIME SMOKING! I smoked maybe 2 bowls and was the highest I've ever been, and yet no real adverse affects, I was thinking differently but that's in no way a bad thing, I could still make logical decisions and work problems. THC cannot kill you, only intensify your high, so what's the big deal? NOTHING! You just don't know what you're talking about, and this is by no means your fault! Does anyone really pay attention to how much anti-drug propaganda our gov't puts out every year? ALOT, and do you know who's paying for it, go look in the mirror! You're tax dollars are being waisted on a failed drug war! The reform of marijuana laws is coming, there's nothing you can do about it. So quit waisting your money trying to destroy a harmless drug that man has used for THOUSANDS of years (earlist recorded use I can remember is 3000 BC in China) and why not give our police forces more time to look for actual criminals instead of me?
Thank you for your time, sorry I couldn't cover more but I'm gonna go hang out with my dad who just got back from DC(he works for Bush ahahaha, how ironic) THINK FOR YOURSELF! Chikun |
Posted By: CHiKUN PiMP
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:19pm
*Reserved for my argument* 
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:21pm
I am not disscussing the effects of smoking marijuana, I am disscussing its overall effects. Tobacco is terrible for you, but so is marijuana. As for your thing about cannabiols killing brain tumors, great. I am glad a good use may finnally have been found for the substance. Bear in mind that the cannabiols work by destrying the blood vessals to the tumor, I dont know about you, but if that stuff is comming around my brain I wouldnt want it blocking blood vessals up there. Just because we use Radium to cure cancer doesnt mean we should ingest it. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:22pm
Bull, prove it. Well, you can't. I do not care what reefer madness 'studies' shown, even the person who carried out these 'studies' admitted they were had no validity and did not prove anything. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:26pm
In extremem cases, the decreased blood flow to the limbs can require amputation (note, extreme)
Also, bye bye sperm
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Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:26pm
No, read it again, it specifically targets the tumors. And your right it is bad for you, but it's safer then alcohol and thats why I choose it. I respect your decision not to, but you should respect my decision to (and everyone else who smokes). |
Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:30pm
I won't comment on the rubbish of you first statement. bye bye sperm? Then why are there still rastafarians? (remember rastas smoke everyday) |
Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 3:34pm
With that I leave this thread, if you would like to continue the debate, PM me, I would love to debate the negative effects more but I do not wish to take this thread anymore from it original topic, therfore I will not reply anymore in this thread. Good luck! ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: StonedAgain
Date Posted: 11 November 2004 at 4:10pm
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Heres acouple a link of somthing from medical journal. http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/references/journal/1998_hall_lancet_1/1998_hall_lancet_1.pdf - From lancet And for further reference if anyone needs it, here is a website with links to several different articles in medical jounrals on this issue. http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_journal.shtml - Here . I've read them before, and to be honest I cannot be bothered to search through them for little peices of information. If you really do want to know some of the facts then read through them. (remember, not all the facts are known yet due to the legal status) then read through them. |