Old news. But still L337

$1500-$1700 Eh.... heafty price tag, I'll stay with my Fly.

that looks like sheet.

all the new angels are ugly

its kewl but thats alot of money

dye and bob long have surpased all.

wdp are trying so hard to stay in the game but, this is a failure a great big failure.

they would have to pay me to shoot that.

LiT uP wrote: Yep angels used to be the shiz. but now they just friggen cost alot and arnt even that good.

Please know your facts.That can shoot 31bps, and your little DM5 seems to have a higher price tag, and all Timmies cost over $1100.

Bugsy wrote: LiT uP wrote: Yep angels used to be the shiz. but now they just friggen cost alot and arnt even that good. Please know your facts.That can shoot 31bps, and your little DM5 seems to have a higher price tag, and all Timmies cost over $1100.

well first your an idiot.

no gun in the world can shoot over 25 bps. they lie. not a timmy, not an angel, not a borg, not a matrix.

second for 1700 ( witch isnt that bad) you could get a dm5, timmie ripper, sonic borg, witch i would much rather have.

and to top it off lit up dosnt own a dm5 its a dm4, your such an idiot you cant even tell the difference.

angels are noob dream guns.

nforcer4 wrote: Probley but I don't really care about these new guns coming out like DM5, This angel or the latest timmy there all the same to me ill just stick with my slow mag (until i get my Xvalve)

dont dis mags, even though i love electros, id love to own a mag, or an e mag.

Ummm....

WDP has by far surpassed Bobby and DYE. This marker is going to be sweet!

Solenoid is moved sideways to have better Air Flow and smaller profile.

Bolt has been redisigned.

New EYE Technology. 2 times faster than the older IR EYE Systems.

Mini-Reg now offers 3 times more air Flow

Improved Twist-lock Low-Rise

Improved Ram and completely new Exaust Valve (Will be able to fit 05 Speeds and Fly's). Ram Shaft and hammer are now made of aluminum for lighter reciprocating mass.

Back to rechargeble battery.

Breech Switch. No more pull pin.

Thats all the features so far on the Prototype. Expect more before January or February. It will cost $1,600.

Sweeeeeet ! 2222/10 but dm5 owns that

FROG MAN wrote: Bugsy wrote: LiT uP wrote: Yep angels used to be the shiz. but now they just friggen cost alot and arnt even that good. Please know your facts.That can shoot 31bps, and your little DM5 seems to have a higher price tag, and all Timmies cost over $1100. well first your an idiot. no gun in the world can shoot over 25 bps. they lie. not a timmy, not an angel, not a borg, not a matrix. second for 1700 ( witch isnt that bad) you could get a dm5, timmie ripper, sonic borg, witch i would much rather have. and to top it off lit up dosnt own a dm5 its a dm4, your such an idiot you cant even tell the difference.     angels are noob dream guns.

This is officially the dumbest person on the forum. By far. Just think of all the 13 year old idiots... yeah, your the dumbest one.

By the way, what kind of gun do you shoot?

Edit:Eased up flame a little bit. No, I'm not an Angel supporter. Your just so incredibly opinionated and wrong, its terrible.

you must have magic fingers i can't even get close to 25 and theres no need.

procarb11 wrote: there are plenty of guns that shoot over 25 bps, i have hit 28 on my timmy and thats no lie, with db one with air in simluate i can hit 25-28 with the trigger set up properly, the flys hit 31, ive seen trix's over 30 and so on, there are actualy a few guns over 25 bps....that angel is nice, everyone seems to forget how much WDP has advanced the sport of paintball, but id rather shoot an angel over a dm5 any day

w00t!

ya your wrong ppl.

its called selling a product, even bob long has admited he has never been able to hit over 14 bps and hes probably the fasted walker out there.

Gewwy wrote: This is officially the dumbest person on the forum. By far. Just think of all the 13 year old idiots... yeah, your the dumbest one. By the way, what kind of gun do you shoot? Edit:Eased up flame a little bit. No, I'm not an Angel supporter. Your just so incredibly opinionated and wrong, its terrible.

well, i dont mind ppl geting mad at me but you didnt even try to prove me wrong. you just yelled. and i know im opinionated.

seems a bit childes when your the one who called me a 13 year old.

any way I shoot a proto but i dont see how this matters.

tgaffner wrote: Ummm.... WDP has by far surpassed Bobby and DYE. This marker is going to be sweet! Solenoid is moved sideways to have better Air Flow and smaller profile. Bolt has been redisigned. New EYE Technology. 2 times faster than the older IR EYE Systems. Mini-Reg now offers 3 times more air Flow Improved Twist-lock Low-Rise Improved Ram and completely new Exaust Valve (Will be able to fit 05 Speeds and Fly's). Ram Shaft and hammer are now made of aluminum for lighter reciprocating mass. Back to rechargeble battery. Breech Switch. No more pull pin. Thats all the features so far on the Prototype. Expect more before January or February. It will cost $1,600.

You can get the same thing with a BL or Dye gun for a cheaper price and have the same accuracy, same speed (you can only go as fadt as the loader lets you which is in most cases only 22bps) and in the case of the Timmy you would have much lighter gun too. BL and Dye definitly have surpassed all over rated English trash made by WDP. WDP guns are so overated thst its not funny. I Agree with the person who said that WDP is trying despertly keep up with BL and DYE and I also agree with the person who said that Angels are just newb's dream guns.

ScarFace22 wrote: You can get the same thing with a BL or Dye gun for a cheaper price and have the same accuracy, same speed (you can only go as fadt as the loader lets you which is in most cases only 22bps) and in the case of the Timmy you would have much lighter gun too.

I agree with most of what you say above, except for the price issue.  All new high end guns released these days, hover around $1500 plus or minus $100 for initial pricing.  $100 difference is only ~ 7% difference of the total cost, i.e. negligible.  If you're going to buy a ferrari, you better be able to afford insurance or other smaller costs.

ScarFace22 wrote: BL and Dye definitly have surpassed all over rated English trash made by WDP. WDP guns are so overated thst its not funny. I Agree with the person who said that WDP is trying despertly keep up with BL and DYE and I also agree with the person who said that Angels are just newb's dream guns.

Glassjaw wrote: Osiris has hit 38 with paint on their auto cocker. About that post of not being able to surpass 25 BPS, i dont even know where to begin so im not going to bother.

oh glasjaw, i used to think you were smart.... i just lost alot of repect for you with that comment. an avergae machine gun will shoot 31 shots per/sec, so your trying to tell me that someone outshot a machine gun with an autocoker?? Common sense will tell you its unacheivable. anything past 25bps on a pb gun is not possible, and manually pullying the trigger legit with paint the max is 15. so please begin what you were going to say, because you are wrong, and unless you can prove your facts with a little bit of logic, i dont believe you, go buy a balastics scale, ask those brits if you can borrow thier new G7 and see if you can get past 15 bps, cause know what, i bet you can't. if you do, i will personally fly done to where you are, and admit that im wrong, but what you said has no logic behind it, all you sad was, osiris has an autocker that shoots 38 bps. you obviously don't get out much.

[Mr. Smith wrote: ] Glassjaw wrote: Osiris has hit 38 with paint on their auto cocker. About that post of not being able to surpass 25 BPS, i dont even know where to begin so im not going to bother.  oh glasjaw, i used to think you were smart.... i just lost alot of repect for you with that comment. an avergae machine gun will shoot 31 shots per/sec, so your trying to tell me that someone outshot a machine gun with an autocoker?? Common sense will tell you its unacheivable. anything past 25bps on a pb gun is not possible, and manually pullying the trigger legit with paint the max is 15. so please begin what you were going to say, because you are wrong, and unless you can prove your facts with a little bit of logic, i dont believe you, go buy a balastics scale, ask those brits if you can borrow thier new G7 and see if you can get past 15 bps, cause know what, i bet you can't. if you do, i will personally fly done to where you are, and admit that im wrong, but what you said has no logic behind it, all you sad was, osiris has an autocker that shoots 38 bps. you obviously don't get out much.

i dont like a balastic scale, they measure the smallest time between each ball so if it measure 25 bps thats 25bps between 2 balls when the average bps could be down at 18bps but the company will advertise 25bps as what it can reach.

angels  most over rated crap on the planet.

ya, lets look down are barrel so we can see what buttons were pushing, and every one knows that you never get hit in the reg/for grip and that membrain pads are soooo strong.

thats gotta be the dumbest design ever.

reticule wrote: Try looking around the Internet and observe how everyone seems to brag about whatever they own at the time.  Look in the mirror for example.  Angels don't break down more than any other gun out there.  Perhaps your observations are strictly based on Internet opinions, but mine are based on what I have read online, but more importantly what I have observed on fields.  Quite frankly, if I were to base my judgements on Internet material, I would be more frighten of timmies breaking, not breaking down.  Try searching for broken feednecks, barbs, and solenoids on timmy forums.  I'm sure you'll find countless experiences.

Ok. I am basing everything I say on actual facts from personal experiences and what I read on the internet. From both I can tell you that angels constantly break down. Have you ever been to a tournament before? I've played in tons of tourneys and if you were ever at one you'll always see alot of people waiting to have thier angels fixed. Have you ever been to a paintball pro shop? I have so many times and its not funny that of all the guns waiting to be fixed most of them are angels.

ScarFace22 wrote: reticule wrote: Try looking around the Internet and observe how everyone seems to brag about whatever they own at the time.  Look in the mirror for example.  Angels don't break down more than any other gun out there.  Perhaps your observations are strictly based on Internet opinions, but mine are based on what I have read online, but more importantly what I have observed on fields.  Quite frankly, if I were to base my judgements on Internet material, I would be more frighten of timmies breaking, not breaking down.  Try searching for broken feednecks, barbs, and solenoids on timmy forums.  I'm sure you'll find countless experiences. Ok. I am basing everything I say on actual facts from personal experiences and what I read on the internet. From both I can tell you that angels constantly break down. Have you ever been to a tournament before? I've played in tons of tourneys and if you were ever at one you'll always see alot of people waiting to have thier angels fixed. Have you ever been to a paintball pro shop? I have so many times and its not funny that of all the guns waiting to be fixed most of them are angels.

sooooo true.

go to the tecky tent at a tourney there always angels and cockers.

FROG MAN wrote: ya your wrong ppl. its called selling a product, even bob long has admited he has never been able to hit over 14 bps and hes probably the fasted walker out there. Gewwy wrote: This is officially the dumbest person on the forum. By far. Just think of all the 13 year old idiots... yeah, your the dumbest one. By the way, what kind of gun do you shoot? Edit:Eased up flame a little bit. No, I'm not an Angel supporter. Your just so incredibly opinionated and wrong, its terrible. well, i dont mind ppl geting mad at me but you didnt even try to prove me wrong. you just yelled. and i know im opinionated. seems a bit childes when your the one who called me a 13 year old. any way I shoot a proto but i dont see how this matters.

I don't want to argue with you. I just thought you should know how incredibly wrong you are with your claims. I don't know enough about Angels to make a strong arguement, but what I do know from using an Angel for a month and playing with 2 Angel supporters for a year is that you really have no idea what you are saying. When properly setup, Angels do not break down. You are some what right when you say they are a noobs dream gun, but why do proffesional paintball teams use them then? That would explain why new players would by Angels and find themselves in the tech-bay at tournaments. I'm not comparing Angels to Intimadators or Matricies, I'm simply saying you make them sound worse than a Kingman knock off and that that statement is incredibly untrue.

ScarFace22 wrote: Just look around the internet and see how people brag about how "great" angels are. They're good guns but they tend to break down alot and have random problems.

I think that I, or Frog Man, or who ever that guy said was the "most stupid" former is definatly wrong. Read all of ScareFace22's posts, ROFL! Look around the internet to see how good ANY gun is, idiot. I love WDP and Dye, since I rock all of their gear, but c'mon the G7 matches up to be twice the DM4/5 in performance, technology, weight, and size. I know Dye is great, practically all their products are wonderful, but I support WDP's markers. **Bob Long just sucks, suped-up Spyders.

[Mr. Smith wrote: ] Glassjaw wrote: Osiris has hit 38 with paint on their auto cocker. About that post of not being able to surpass 25 BPS, i dont even know where to begin so im not going to bother.  Oh Glassjaw..., I used to think you were smart. i just lost alot of repect for you with that comment. An avergae machine gun can shoot 31 shots per/sec, so your trying to tell me that someone outshot a machine gun with an autocoker?? Common sense will tell you its unacheivable. anything past 25bps on a pb gun is not possible, and manually pullying the trigger legit with paint the max is 15. so please begin what you were going to say, because you are wrong, and unless you can prove your facts with a little bit of logic, i dont believe you, go buy a balastics scale, ask those brits if you can borrow thier new G7 and see if you can get past 15 bps, cause know what, i bet you can't. if you do, i will personally fly done to where you are, and admit that im wrong, but what you said has no logic behind it, all you sad was, osiris has an autocker that shoots 38 bps. you obviously don't get out much.

They have videos of it shooting 38bsp (Osiris). The G7 board is capped at 31, not really alot of people can hit that without bounce.

ScarFace22 wrote: reticule wrote: Try looking around the Internet and observe how everyone seems to brag about whatever they own at the time.  Look in the mirror for example.  Angels don't break down more than any other gun out there.  Perhaps your observations are strictly based on Internet opinions, but mine are based on what I have read online, but more importantly what I have observed on fields.  Quite frankly, if I were to base my judgements on Internet material, I would be more frighten of timmies breaking, not breaking down.  Try searching for broken feednecks, barbs, and solenoids on timmy forums.  I'm sure you'll find countless experiences. Ok. I am basing everything I say on actual facts from personal experiences and what I read on the internet. From both I can tell you that angels constantly break down. Have you ever been to a tournament before? I've played in tons of tourneys and if you were ever at one you'll always see alot of people waiting to have thier angels fixed. Have you ever been to a paintball pro shop? I have so many times and its not funny that of all the guns waiting to be fixed most of them are angels.

I wish I could come out from your PC and strangle you! If you've really been to a Tourney, and Pro-Shop, and all the Angels you saw there were being fixed they must have been owned by some retarded kid or rich brat. I've had my A4 Fly for 3 months without a problem. Most guys send their Angels to MTs to fix their stuff if they are pro-material.
I know you made that crapola up.

FROG MAN wrote: [Mr. Smith wrote: ] Glassjaw wrote: Osiris has hit 38 with paint on their auto cocker. About that post of not being able to surpass 25 BPS, i dont even know where to begin so im not going to bother.  oh glasjaw, i used to think you were smart.... i just lost alot of repect for you with that comment. an avergae machine gun will shoot 31 shots per/sec, so your trying to tell me that someone outshot a machine gun with an autocoker?? Common sense will tell you its unacheivable. anything past 25bps on a pb gun is not possible, and manually pullying the trigger legit with paint the max is 15. so please begin what you were going to say, because you are wrong, and unless you can prove your facts with a little bit of logic, i dont believe you, go buy a balastics scale, ask those brits if you can borrow thier new G7 and see if you can get past 15 bps, cause know what, i bet you can't. if you do, i will personally fly done to where you are, and admit that im wrong, but what you said has no logic behind it, all you sad was, osiris has an autocker that shoots 38 bps. you obviously don't get out much. i dont like a balastic scale, they measure the smallest time between each ball so if it measure 25 bps thats 25bps between 2 balls when the average bps could be down at 18bps but the company will advertise 25bps as what it can reach. angels  most over rated crap on the planet. ya, lets look down are barrel so we can see what buttons were pushing, and every one knows that you never get hit in the reg/for grip and that membrain pads are soooo strong. thats gotta be the dumbest design ever.

It's a grip on the reg... not a "membrain pad".

Bugsy wrote: [Mr. Smith wrote: ] Glassjaw wrote: Osiris has hit 38 with paint on their auto cocker. About that post of not being able to surpass 25 BPS, i dont even know where to begin so im not going to bother.  Oh Glassjaw..., I used to think you were smart. i just lost alot of repect for you with that comment. An avergae machine gun can shoot 31 shots per/sec, so your trying to tell me that someone outshot a machine gun with an autocoker?? Common sense will tell you its unacheivable. anything past 25bps on a pb gun is not possible, and manually pullying the trigger legit with paint the max is 15. so please begin what you were going to say, because you are wrong, and unless you can prove your facts with a little bit of logic, i dont believe you, go buy a balastics scale, ask those brits if you can borrow thier new G7 and see if you can get past 15 bps, cause know what, i bet you can't. if you do, i will personally fly done to where you are, and admit that im wrong, but what you said has no logic behind it, all you sad was, osiris has an autocker that shoots 38 bps. you obviously don't get out much. They have videos of it shooting 38bsp (Osiris). The G7 board is capped at 31, not really alot of people can hit that without bounce.

what is this an english class now, you really wasted your time corecting my grammer because it proves notihng except i'm bad at english, and i'll tell you that, you didnt have correct me. and no, i odnt believe that your videos or right they're most likely sped up because nobody can walk a trigger 31 bps i dont care which gun you have. and you cant just watch a video and say, oh hes walking it 31 bps. you need somethign to show that. and dont tell me, i slowed it down and counted, cause that doesnt work well.

Gewwy wrote: with you. I just thought you should know how incredibly wrong you are with your claims. I don't know enough about Angels to make a strong arguement, but what I do know from using an Angel for a month and playing with 2 Angel supporters for a year is that you really have no idea what you are saying. When properly setup, Angels do not break down. You are some what right when you say they are a noobs dream gun, but why do proffesional paintball teams use them then? That would explain why new players would by Angels and find themselves in the tech-bay at tournaments. I'm not comparing Angels to Intimadators or Matricies, I'm simply saying you make them sound worse than a Kingman knock off and that that statement is incredibly untrue.

i get what you mean, angels are nice guns and i didnt mean to say they are bad. but im not wrong, these new angels that are coming out are bad (compared to high end guns, not spyders and stuff,lol) and there trying to compete with dye, and bob long by making there guns more affordable, by making them,,,, worse. i would much rather have an 04 speed or a force fly then any of these new angels coming out.

and if you dont know enough to make a strong argument then dont call me wrong cuz you dont know what your talking about.

angels are a high end gun so they do rock but when i talk about i high end guns and say one sucks i mean compared to other high end ones. 

*EDIT* realllllly good point about noobs giving angels bad names, you get rich parents buying there noob kid there dream gun (angel) then they dont know what there doing and brake them, giving angels a bad rep for braking down.

Bugsy wrote: ScarFace22 wrote: Just look around the internet and see how people brag about how "great" angels are. They're good guns but they tend to break down alot and have random problems. I think that I, or Frog Man, or who ever that guy said was the "most stupid" former is definatly wrong. Read all of ScareFace22's posts, ROFL! Look around the internet to see how good ANY gun is, idiot. I love WDP and Dye, since I rock all of their gear, but c'mon the G7 matches up to be twice the DM4/5 in performance, technology, weight, and size. I know Dye is great, practically all their products are wonderful, but I support WDP's markers. **Bob Long just sucks, suped-up Spyders.

i kinda agree, wdp,dye and bob long all rock. and maybe the performance of this new gun is good but it is a realllly stupid design.

a membrane pad on the reg,,, no aftermarket reg or upgradeing it.

and you have to point the barrel at your face to see what buttons your pushing.

and your reg/for grip gets shot tons, a membrane pad isnt strong, that thing is going to get broken soooo many times.

and your going to accitendly push buttons.

it reallly dosnt make sense to put it there.

and the no milling looks like crap.

and we cant really talk about performance here because no of us have shot this g7

Bugsy wrote: It's a grip on the reg... not a "membrain pad".

obvuisly you dont know what a membrane pad is so shut the eff up.

i hate when you try to discuss about guns and ppl put comments like

YOUR WRONG

IT CAN SHOOT 34534BPS!!!

YOUR AN IDIOT

cuz thats proves nothing. settle down you 12 year old tards and aleast try and act like you know what your talking about.

Bugsy wrote: FROG MAN wrote: Bugsy wrote: It's a grip on the reg... not a "membrain pad". obvuisly you dont know what a membrane pad is so shut the eff up. i hate when you try to discuss about guns and ppl put comments like YOUR WRONG IT CAN SHOOT 34534BPS!!! YOUR AN IDIOT cuz thats proves nothing. settle down you 12 year old tards and aleast try and act like you know what your talking about. I'm not saying you're an idiot, and if I did, I'm sorry. But that grip on the reg doesn't have any electrical components in it. Plus, how can it be hit if your hand grasps it there?

really?!?!?!?!?!?

well if im wrong, ill admit it but, that does look like it has buttons on it to me, and if it is just a grip it still looks hella ugly there but its better than haveing a membrane there.

SMITH ignore the guy above this, any one who knows anything,, knows that you cant walk that fast even with bounce, but this guy wont admit hes wrong so leave it alone. 

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procarb11 wrote: ok there are quite a few guns out there that get over 25 bps WITH bounce, it is physically impossible to get anything over 16 or so WITHOUT bounce, there are vids of flys maxing out at 31, nexus cockers r capible of 40 bps, ive seen vids of trixs shooting 30 bps, there are dm4's and timmys with tadao, and ramping boards and chips that go well over 25...it can def be done, and it has been done, but not without a ton of technology

how do you know this?????

did they use a freeking balsitic scale????????? NO

HOLY poo you guys are retards,,, you cant get over 25 bps on full auto.

the fasted every recored on a blastic scale was a shocker with dynasty boared and its smallest time frame between 2 balls measured at 28 bps and an average of 25.

going by sound DOSNT WORK. it can be alterd. you guys are wayyyyyyyyyyy to much into hype, think for self once and stop letting marketing currupt your mind.

procarb11 wrote: well first ofive done 28 with my timmy, im not talking a sustained rate of fire, this is MROF everyone is talking about, watch the angel fly vids, watch some nexus cocker vids, they r all over the net, i saw a trix vid not to far back where they were maxing out at over 30.....the new ramping boards for timmys will shoot until they max out the hopper....25 is def attainable....go to advantagepb.com and send drop them an email about the attainedable MROF with there ramping boards, i guarantee u its over 25 and there is a little something called a LCD screen that tells u MROF

theres a little thing called making a product sell.

say i walk legit on a matrix and the lcd says im going 15 and i walk the exact same on a timmy and there lcd says im doing 23, witch gun do you think im going to buy?????

Glassjaw wrote: [Mr. Smith wrote: ] Glassjaw wrote: Osiris has hit 38 with paint on their auto cocker. About that post of not being able to surpass 25 BPS, i dont even know where to begin so im not going to bother.  oh glasjaw, i used to think you were smart.... i just lost alot of repect for you with that comment. an avergae machine gun will shoot 31 shots per/sec, so your trying to tell me that someone outshot a machine gun with an autocoker?? Common sense will tell you its unacheivable. anything past 25bps on a pb gun is not possible, and manually pullying the trigger legit with paint the max is 15. so please begin what you were going to say, because you are wrong, and unless you can prove your facts with a little bit of logic, i dont believe you, go buy a balastics scale, ask those brits if you can borrow thier new G7 and see if you can get past 15 bps, cause know what, i bet you can't. if you do, i will personally fly done to where you are, and admit that im wrong, but what you said has no logic behind it, all you sad was, osiris has an autocker that shoots 38 bps. you obviously don't get out much. A) Famas G2 fires roughly 10 rounds per second.  Show me a fire arm that fires 31 rounds per second. B)Show me physical proof that you can not fire a paintball marker past 15 BPS legitamitely with paint, and i may start to believe you. C)When i did not have a LICK of bounce on my angel before it was modded with the trigger, i was out shooting my egg so please tell me how it is not phyisically possible.

well lets see, gravity is 9.81m/s2

if a paintball is .688 inches that means its 17.47 mm or 0.01747

Vf2=Vi2+2at

so for a pb gun to shoot 30 bps the balls would have to drop at .5m/s

.52=0+2x9.81xT

.52=19.62 x T

.52/19.62=T

0.15=T

so you you know what this proves??? it would take 4.5 second to shoot 30 bps on an egg. and that max gravity feed is around 7 bps.

you know what that ^^ proves. marketing is bull **edited**

the "2" after ".5" represents square.

Glassjaw wrote: [Mr. Smith wrote: ] Glassjaw wrote: Osiris has hit 38 with paint on their auto cocker. About that post of not being able to surpass 25 BPS, i dont even know where to begin so im not going to bother.  oh glasjaw, i used to think you were smart.... i just lost alot of repect for you with that comment. an avergae machine gun will shoot 31 shots per/sec, so your trying to tell me that someone outshot a machine gun with an autocoker?? Common sense will tell you its unacheivable. anything past 25bps on a pb gun is not possible, and manually pullying the trigger legit with paint the max is 15. so please begin what you were going to say, because you are wrong, and unless you can prove your facts with a little bit of logic, i dont believe you, go buy a balastics scale, ask those brits if you can borrow thier new G7 and see if you can get past 15 bps, cause know what, i bet you can't. if you do, i will personally fly done to where you are, and admit that im wrong, but what you said has no logic behind it, all you sad was, osiris has an autocker that shoots 38 bps. you obviously don't get out much. A) Famas G2 fires roughly 10 rounds per second.  Show me a fire arm that fires 31 rounds per second. B)Show me physical proof that you can not fire a paintball marker past 15 BPS legitamitely with paint, and i may start to believe you. C)When i did not have a LICK of bounce on my angel before it was modded with the trigger, i was out shooting my egg so please tell me how it is not phyisically possible.

your fingers are hitting that trigger 15 times in one second, that is very fast, now for someone to hit the trigger 31 times in 1 second is amazing, your fingers would need special machines to do the work for you. you obviously have never been around high end guns much or dont have much experience around the tourney scene. you can not just go by what some guy told you on aim or what you saw in some review, because i know this my come to you as a shock, but there is some htings on the internet that aren't true!!! yep, i know its all very hard to take in. but now step out of your room, go to a tournament, talk to some people that know what they are doing. it is so unbelievable how stunned everyone of you are to think that a paintball can be shot out of your gun at 31 bps. Glassjaw, you are a moron. please dont quote this because its going to be another fact that you just pulled out of the top of your head form soemguy who told you he shot his angel 40 bps when the fact is he proablly doesnt even own one. and for the idiot who posted the videos, its 31 Balls per second, not 31 dry fires per second.

^^^^ and i made a video were i took a dm4 shooting at around 15 bps and made it look like it was shooting 30 and it was suprisingly easy. as soon as i can host it i will.

dont beleive what you hear or see on the internet.

procarb11 wrote: ok there are quite a few guns out there that get over 25 bps WITH bounce, it is physically impossible to get anything over 16 or so WITHOUT bounce, there are vids of flys maxing out at 31, nexus cockers r capible of 40 bps, ive seen vids of trixs shooting 30 bps, there are dm4's and timmys with tadao, and ramping boards and chips that go well over 25...it can def be done, and it has been done, but not without a ton of technology and i think angels are good guns when they fall into the correct hands, if they are neglected, like anyother gun, then they are obviously not going to work right, and this G7 IS A PROTOTYPE, maybe WDP is experimenting with this forgrip and it maybe wont actually be produced

i disagree, with paint in it its not possible, 19 bps is soooooo ridiculously fast its crazy. but 40, comeon, thats just ridiculous.

*edited for spelling

MuRdoc18 wrote: guys stop fighting just look at the cool fold down scope, its off the hook!

wow you are such an attention whore. you posted like 3 times saying that.

FROG MAN wrote: MuRdoc18 wrote: guys stop fighting just look at the cool fold down scope, its off the hook! wow you are such an attention whore. you posted like 3 times saying that.

hhmmm... hypocrite???

i mean you're throwing a hissy fit about this gun and just about every other gun on the planet about how fast it can shoot.

shut up... go shoot your dye or bl... or whatever you want.  quit being a douche and pull the stick out of your bum. 

i just find it ammusing that he throws in incorrect math and spews out numbers in formulas that probably 25% of this forum actually understand, me being one of them, to try to prove a couple of people wrong.  and he proceeds to try to rub it in their faces.  there have been posts about how fast gravity really feeds and it is faster than 7. 

but then again maybe the expensive chrono was lying when i held 12 bps with my mag....

Wow, you guys must be sweet That's not a scope that the bolt breech. And quit fighting, you sound like my niece.

reticule wrote: This thread is turning retarded.  To all of you ignorant 'tards, here's a big **** you.

Your right its getting filled up with to many retards like bugsy. O yea bugsy I did not make that  up. I wish I could take you to my field and proshop and show you just how bad Angels are and how many of them have to be fixed. You'll see tons of people using Timmies, Matrix LCD's and Dm4's with little to no problems at all but thats more then I can say for people who use cockers and Angels. Also if thier Sooo pro material then how come hardly any teams use them. Do you really have any idea what your talking about? Obvioulsy not. More Pro teams use Bob long Timmies, Dye Matrixs/Dm4's and even Smart Parts then Shockers then they do Angels. please just shut the  up and get a clue. None of the big pro teams use Angels.

Dynasty- Dynasty Shocker

Naughty Dogs-Bob long ND Timmy

Okland Assians*-Bob Long Timmy

ECX factory- Timmy

Russian Legions- Timmy

Baltimore Tramua-Matrix

After Shock- Matrix

Philly Americans- Shockers

Detroit Strange- Smart Parts guns

its clear that more pro teams use BL, Matrix and Smart Parts guns over Angels. Theres probably only 2 (if that) pro teams that actually use Angels.

[Mr. Smith wrote: ]hes not throwing a "hissy fit" hes proving a point, and i think that you guys are realizing your wrong and now are running out stupid facts to say, so you have to resort to calling him a "douche".

I agree. Hehe Angel people are just like cocker people they can't admit they're wrong so they start spewing insults and name calling to try to make a point. What morons.

^^^ you are half right, they do change guns because of higher pay but its not really money its more in form of sponsership. but why do you think that company can pay give them more? because they have more money becasue the produst they sell i better conclusion, angels < all other high end guns.

and name me one player that makes a million dollars a year. most of them get their money form either tournament winnings or they have jobs working for smart parts, DYE, WGP. they are paid minimal for their playing.

and that is why teams generally go to the better guns, unless they are givin a job at the company they are all paid the same. they just get free equipment/paint. most pb players have second jobs.

Wow....

Ok, if you say that guns that cave in when hitting the ground, use 3-way cocker hosing with crappy barbs, unoriginal design, Solenoid smashed between the Grip Frame, eyes that dont align correctly,  are good, then I guess Bobby has something over WDP...

WDP has no competition over BL. WDP has their warehouse running 24/7 constantly milling bodies and making parts to keep up with the demad.

DYE is the only thing that make give WDP run for their money. DYE makes high quality stuff.

Big deal if many teams shoot timmies. You know why? Because BL is a good company to get sponsorship deals from. BL wouldn't be ANYWERE if it wasn't for NPS buying them.

WDP and DYE are the top 2 paintball companies in my opinion.

[Mr. Smith wrote: ] ^^^ you are half right, they do change guns because of higher pay but its not really money its more in form of sponsership. but why do you think that company can pay give them more? because they have more money becasue the produst they sell i better conclusion, angels < all other high end guns.

Product quality and product sales are not mutual inclusive.  If you firmly believe they are, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your "thinking" and take a media studies or marketing class.

[Mr. Smith wrote: ] and name me one player that makes a million dollars a year. most of them get their money form either tournament winnings or they have jobs working for smart parts, DYE, WGP. they are paid minimal for their playing. and that is why teams generally go to the better guns, unless they are givin a job at the company they are all paid the same. they just get free equipment/paint. most pb players have second jobs.