.45 ACP vs .45 GAP
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Topic: .45 ACP vs .45 GAP
Posted By: Slimz.357
Subject: .45 ACP vs .45 GAP
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 10:00am
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I'd like to know more about the new Auto Cartridge, has anyone used it? ------------- "If you make it idiot proof, they'll make a better idiot." http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=125287&PN=1&TPN=1 - REQUIRED READING |
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 12:59pm
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I guess I don't know much about the .45 GAP... What is it? ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 1:07pm
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I've used it, the glock 37 shoots that cartridge and so does just a couple other pistols. It's much smaller than the ACP but still packs a good punch with higher velocity. The glock 37 is wonderful, especially because it's built from the frame of a glock 17. However, there is just too much history with the ACP and I think I'd much rather shoot that cartridge.
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Posted By: Stormcharger
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 1:19pm
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The .45GAP(Glock Auto Pistol) is only slightly different from the .45ACP. It has a case 1/8" shorter than th .45ACP and is loaded to comparable velocities. There seems to be a lot of hype about this new round, but take a close look at thier figures and you will see no major differences. Like rounds such as the 9x21mm and the .45Auto Short, it is illegal in some european countries to own military calibers. It may be that Glock has produced this new round to enhance sales to these countries. The performance gains of the .45GAP fall within the gains granted by a Glocks polygonal barrel(30-50fps with .45ACP). All in all it's new, but not really anything new. Also the testing I have seen on this has been biased, in that claims are made that are not backed up with facts. If anyone does try this new round sure would like to hear from you. |
Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 1:51pm
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I'm NOT a fan of the glock line. They're right up there with taurus pistols. Girlfriends father does small arms repairs for NYPD, he says they've got more problems from glocks than anything else. If given a choice, I'll stand with ACP. ------------- ? |
Posted By: Johnjs
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 2:50pm
| The GAP gives you the same ballistics as the 45 but it can be fired from a smaller framed weapon, which is lighter. Less weight to carry around, for those who need to do that all day, which was the driving force behind its birth. I have not shot one but I'll bet it's a bit of a handfull. |
Posted By: rkelley41
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 3:08pm
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Give me a Colt M1911A1 any time. ------------- Model 98 Armson barrel Flatline barrel 47psi/3k HPA 20oz CO2 Tippman expansion chamber |
Posted By: Pariel
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 3:12pm
Or a Para-Ordnance P14. |
rkelley41 wrote:Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 3:13pm
a lot of kB!'s?  I like ACP, the idea of a shorter case doesn't interest me at all. -------------  http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 3:15pm
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Mmm... Para... But while 1911s and their progeny are great guns and fun to shoot, you will have a very slow shot unless you plan on carrying it around cocked all the time - and then you still have to hit the safety. Me likes Glocks. Never had any reliability problems either, but then I don't shoot as much as the NYPD. :) |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 3:59pm
USP Mk23 P228 All good, but dont know much about the cartridge. ------------- |
Posted By: jjclown23
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 4:00pm
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 4:00pm
| The .40 cal H&K USP Compact is an awesome pistol. |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 17 November 2004 at 4:01pm
Yes. ------------- |
Posted By: Slimz.357
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 11:06am
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Hmm.... Interesting. I never really understood the point of the .45 GAP. I really wish glock would come out with something a little different in the .45ACP, though. ------------- "If you make it idiot proof, they'll make a better idiot." http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=125287&PN=1&TPN=1 - REQUIRED READING |
Posted By: duck68tapeb
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 2:24pm
| yeah i have no clue about this stuff i stick with paint balls a car audio so i just coted for what everyone else voted for at the time |
Posted By: JBird33
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 2:25pm
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I can't stand Glocks. The lightweight material they use makes them feel like toys to me, and the lack of any kind of safety other than a trigger safety - I dunno, I just can't make myself like 'em. I think a better quation woulda been ".45 ACP or .45 Long?" But I'd take .45 ACP anyday, over Long and Glock. ------------- 
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 9:15pm
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It is true that some countries prohibit guns that fire military calibers, a friend of mine had to trade his 9mm for a 357 when he moved to Honduras. Of the guns I've seen that fire the 45 GAP, the Glock is probably the best. I'm no fan of Glocks, but they get the job done. I've always liked the 9mm myself. Using +P's in my H&K P7, they pack a good enough punch to do the job. The original design 9mm in the Luger was alot more powerful than the typical 9mm ammo of today, it still may not have been as strong as the .45, but it was nothing to laugh at. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 9:21pm
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what are you talkin about newb (glassjaw)! we are talkin about water guns! dont you peoples ever learn? |
Posted By: Fallout_soldier
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 9:23pm
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Posted By: TippmannA5User
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 10:23pm
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Whoop Whoop!!!!! The SOCOM HK Mark 23 is also pretty sweet, but it is a little big when equipped with all its tactical stuff. ------------- Just shoot yourself and save me the trouble. click the pic! http://mypaintballpics.mypicgallery.com/mpg/Route.asp"> 
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 19 November 2004 at 10:24pm
Go socom! An amazing pistol, the history behind it is interesting. The prototype was quite a weapon too. ------------- |
Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 20 November 2004 at 6:54pm
Heck no. The origional Luger was chambered for a 7.65mm bottleneck round. It was a wussy round. The army wanted a bigger bullet, so Luger simply expanded the bottle neck out flush with the case and shoved in a 9mm bullet. Then chambered his famous firearm in this new round. And the 9x19mm Parabellum was born. Also known as the 9mm Luger. And it was a horibly underpowered aenemic round. It was barely super sonic. Modern SMG 9mm ammo is much much hotter than anything they had and is the reason a couple of Beretta M9's have broken. I personally use either CorBon 115 grainers P+, Winchester Ranger SXT's LEO ammo in 124 grain JHP (fortunately I'm a LEO) and Speer Gold Dots in 124 grain when I can't get the CorBons. Their supply to my area is pretty spotty. Anyway. I like the idea of the .45GAP. The shorter grip means the high caps aren't too difficult to grip. However I'm wary of their problems. The other woder caliber that runs on high pressure, the .40S&W has a bad track record. I'd be weary of the .45GAP in Glock for a while. KBK |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 2:19am
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I'll have to go back to my old ballistics table, but modern 9mm rounds often won't cycle the Luger, unless you use +P or +P+ rounds. I thought I had a problem with my Luger when it wouldn't cycle, but one of the old guys at the travelling gun show told me what the problem was. I've also got an old article somewhere showing the differences in velocity. I'll have to go find it. Found it. 9mm Luger in 1904, 1048 fps, 307 ft lbs energy. That velocity is higher than a 40 S&W, or the 45 GAP, where it not for the 124 grain bullet weight the muzzle energy would be higher. But it is far and away from being an "anemic" round. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: Slothbutt
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 2:44am
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To much time is spend on handgun Caliber A vs Caliber B, It's like realestate... Location, Location, Location.
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Posted By: Robert_Hawker
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 5:01am
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Ill take my S&W M.500 thank you. there is nothing like good old fationed stopping power. As for the waight it a brick but who cares i dont use it all that much. ------------- Tipp A-5 Opsgear Saw Shroud Opsgear G36 Folding Stock 16" j&j |
Posted By: JBird33
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 5:26am
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^^Too bad you aren't old enough to legally own one according to your profile. Not to mention they cost like $950 and already have about a 1.5 year waiting list. The fact that you have little to no grasp of the English language also leads me to believe that you are lying. Yes, the S&W .500 is a nice revolver (if there is such a thing, I'm not a huge revolver fan.) Not to mention a mere 5-shot revolver. But whatever. I still don't think you own one. -------------
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 9:59am
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To much time is spend on handgun Caliber A vs Caliber B, It's like realestate... Location, Location, Location.
100% correct. A family friend whos an LEO told me a story whee a state trooper unloaded his .357 into a bad guy, the bad guy lived and got off one shot from a .22. the bullet entered the cops body and killed him. Now as to what I perfer, Ide go with the ACP, its been around forever, and its batttle tested. |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 2:05pm
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Increased bullet mass and velocity increases the likelyhood of finding or making the proper "location". A .22 to the head is as likely to kill as a 30'06 to the body. But trained shooters aim at "center mass", in which case bigger is usually better. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: Robert_Hawker
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 2:13pm
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^^ I never said its mine its my fathers. as for my spelling dude it was 4 in the morning give me a break. ------------- Tipp A-5 Opsgear Saw Shroud Opsgear G36 Folding Stock 16" j&j |
Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 2:20pm
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^^ "I'll take my..." ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: Robert_Hawker
Date Posted: 21 November 2004 at 3:25pm
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o well i made a little mistake ------------- Tipp A-5 Opsgear Saw Shroud Opsgear G36 Folding Stock 16" j&j |
Posted By: Slimz.357
Date Posted: 22 November 2004 at 7:45am
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I just got my arm taken off yesterday by an ancient 7.62x54 mauser. Who's idea was it to put a steel plate on the end of the buttstock?!? From what I've heard, the .45GAP was supposed to be a bridge between the .40S&W and the .45ACP, but I think it leans much farther toward the .40, Oh well, another could-have-been-great idea. ------------- "If you make it idiot proof, they'll make a better idiot." http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=125287&PN=1&TPN=1 - REQUIRED READING |
Posted By: Variable
Date Posted: 22 November 2004 at 8:05am
Wrong. The Glock has 3 http://www.glock.com/_safe_action_.htm - safeties (firing pin, drop, and trigger). ------------- 
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Posted By: Kayback
Date Posted: 27 November 2004 at 9:34pm
Ummm, modern 124 grain 9x19mm's from a 5 " barrel easily exceed 1200fps. The .40's may only have the same velocity as the 1904 9x19mm round, but they are around 25 - 50% heavier, so they hit harder. Anyway, if the 1904's bullet weight was above 124 grains, the velocity would have been much reduced. And this would have reduced its energy. If you are talking about +p rounds, the .45ACP CorBon 200 grainer runs almost 100fps faster than their 200 grain GAP round. Their 165 grain power ball round in .45ACP is 200fps+ faster than the .45GAP round. Higher velocities also leads to flatter shooting. which makes it more accurate. Whatever. KBK |
Posted By: rave5910
Date Posted: 27 November 2004 at 10:00pm
shenanegans, almost anywhere a .357 is going to hit you will put you down for a while and as for the one shot from a .22 hitting and killing the cop I dont believe that much either. ------------- 
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 1:36pm
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shenanegans, almost anywhere a .357 is going to hit you will put you down for a while and as for the one shot from a .22 hitting and killing the cop I dont believe that much either.
As far as the story goes its true. Look it up before you decide to call it "shenanegans". The 22 entered the body. The bullet entered under the arm and there was no balistic vest protection. The round did tremendous damage to the officers internal organ(heart I believe). A .22 to the skull is lethal, the bullet tends to bounce arund tearning apart the brain. So a 22 can be very lethal if its aimed at the right spot. Its all about placement. Now as far as the stopping power of a 357, its lethal but its no rifle round. Any pistol is considered weak compared to a rifle. Fo example my friend was shot last year by a 357. The "gang banger" had terrible aim and the 4 round hit my friend but did not kll him, he was able to flee to saftey. Again its all about placement. IF one of those ruonds hit a vital area my friend would be dead. |
Posted By: sheriffhuck511
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 2:11pm
You are correct I remember a few years ago when we had a guy around here got shot in the shoulder by a .22, we found the bullet in his upper left (I believe left) thigh. It had hit his collar/shoulder bone and didnt have the penetration power to go through so it bounched, I think the coroner said it bounched like 5 times off his ribs before stopping in his thigh. Poor guy it went through his lungs twice, his stomach, got a corner of his heart he never had a chance. We carry the Glock 40 cal. down here, some of the investigators carry the "baby glock". I love these guns, no safety to flip off and once you learn where to hold the trigger after the first shot the rest are easy to tap off. They are the most reliable guns I have ever been able to own (I say that because I know there are better handguns out there, H&K and etc., but none of which a poor cop like myself can afford). I hate 9mms espically the Army's, they dont have any real kind of stopping power from my expirence. But again its all about were you hit the guy, within reason. If you hit a guy in the arm with a .454 or .44 magnum your probably going take his arm off. Huck ------------- My set up: 98c with flatline, x-chamber, e-bolt, car stock, remote, Crossfire .68/4500, and Empire Reloader B "I'm gonna barbecue you in molasses!" - Sheriff Buford T. Justice |
Posted By: whoknowswho
Date Posted: 24 March 2005 at 2:14pm
Increase bullet weight, velocity drops: velocity and enerqy drop like a stone at range. As for stopping power, pistols rarely bring someone down with one shot due to organ damage. Pain incapacitates, hence the reason people strung out on some weird drugs can take several rounds to take down. The relatively narrow wound channel created by almost any pistol round dictates good shooting for bringing someone down for good with only one shot. A human will go down after being hit, but they could still function if they got past the pain. Internal bleeding/non-functioning organs is what eventually kills. |