http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/001327.html - A 14 year old boy is sentenced to 85 lashes for breaking his Ramadan fast !

A 14 year old boy died on Thursday, November 11th, after having received 85 lashes; according to the ruling of the Mullah judge of the public circuit court in the town of Sanandadj he was guilty of breaking his fast during the month of Ramadan.

The Kurdish site Rojeh´heh Lât reports that the young man´s identity has not been disclosed. He was scheduled for burial on Saturday, November 13th (after 3 days at the local morgue), in the cemetery of Beheshteh Mohammadi in Sanandadj. However due to the public´s realization of the events surrounding the boy´s circumstances the cemetery was stormed [in protest] and his burial did not take place.

According to informed sources, supervisors have instructed that the burial take place in the presence of his closest relatives, surveyed by security forces.

Nice religion

travis75 wrote: Why we should nuke the middle east

hahaha

hades he is coming to meet u in the underworld

Trogdor2 wrote: That's why I like being a Christian...  You don't really have to do anything...

yea tell me about it

NotDaveEllis wrote: Dude, seriously, if I wanted every **edited**ing news article ever, I'd go to Reuters, SO STOP POSTING CRAPPY NEWS ARTICLES.

  Dude, seriously, just stop posting.  Everytime you post that awful picture with the guy and dogs goes with you. Now if you want to post family pictures, no prob, but geez keep them on your living room wall and away from the net.

Darur wrote: new002 wrote: NotDaveEllis wrote: Dude, seriously, if I wanted every **edited**ing news article ever, I'd go to Reuters, SO STOP POSTING CRAPPY NEWS ARTICLES.   Dude, seriously, just stop posting.  Everytime you post that awful picture with the guy and dogs goes with you. Now if you want to post family pictures, no prob, but geez keep them on your living room wall and away from the net. No, YOU stop posting. Dave > You

Darur = NotDaveEllis' cheerleader, well atleast its good you have an idol. Someone to look up to, take your temperature, tuck you in at night.  NDE Kind of sounds like Michel Jackson.

Man you got some beef with Islam. I bet you'd go nuts if I started posting articles about crazy jesus feaks and stuff like that.

Dune wrote: Man you got some beef with Islam. I bet you'd go nuts if I started posting articles about crazy jesus feaks and stuff like that.

   First off, your assumptions are way off.  How did you arrive at that conclusion? Are you defending what happened to the CARE (aid) worker? Do you think the kid deserved 85 lashes?  I don't.

Why do you label a person in such a bad light for saying so?

new002 wrote: Dune wrote: Man you got some beef with Islam. I bet you'd go nuts if I started posting articles about crazy jesus feaks and stuff like that.    First off, your assumptions are way off.  How did you arrive at that conclusion? Are you defending what happened to the CARE (aid) worker? Do you think the kid deserved 85 lashes?  I don't. Why do you label a person in such a bad light for saying so?

You have to excuse Dune, hes more confused than Chinese Checkers.

What does the CARE lady have to do with anything?

(And, BTW, Catholics are christians...)

Dune wrote: I'm not confused. I'm just wondering as to why the influx of articles involving Islamic fundamentalists.

Because they use their religion as a weapon instead of preaching peace.

evil_fingers wrote: Dune wrote: I'm not confused. I'm just wondering as to why the influx of articles involving Islamic fundamentalists. Because they use their religion as a weapon instead of preaching peace.

Good point. However, all religions have their variations of fundamentalistic followers. Take the right wing christian KKK. They use their beliefs as a form of terror as well. Posting a couple of threads in the same day dealing with Islamic fundamentalism without approaching any other religions seems a bit tilted.

Because they use their religion as a weapon instead of preaching peace.

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Islam in its regular form is tolerant and peaceful. It is ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM that is the extreemist sect of Islam that hates the western world.

Although i dont agree that the boy's punishment was right, it was part of his culture and there is little we can do to change it unless all western countries (most likely just the us) turn on anyone with a different religion than themselves.

People should learn about other cultures before making themselves sound like rednecks and stating that thier religion is the one true form. Youre a bigot and an idiot if you believe that only one form of religion can be the best.

Glassjaw wrote: Why it is their relegion, and i fully understand and respect that, it still sounds extremely harsh.  I think the punishment went way overboard, but what can you do.

Yep - to us that seems extremely harsh.  To the French, the death penalty is so harsh that they refuse to extradite murderers to the US.  It's all a matter of perspective...

^It means that Republicans are Jesus freaks.

The French don't like the death penalty? That's weird. I'm not saying it's not true but I thought their gov was set up against criminals unlike ours where the governemnt favors the criminals.

Dune wrote: evil_fingers wrote: Dune wrote: I'm not confused. I'm just wondering as to why the influx of articles involving Islamic fundamentalists. Because they use their religion as a weapon instead of preaching peace. Good point. However, all religions have their variations of fundamentalistic followers. Take the right wing christian KKK. They use their beliefs as a form of terror as well. Posting a couple of threads in the same day dealing with Islamic fundamentalism without approaching any other religions seems a bit tilted.

First off, this thread isn't about KKK and Christians, there are plenty posts criticizing Christians here and the KKK too. If you are looking for one then use the search.

  Now, every other group gets a lot of abuse on this forum, but forum forbid if Islam gets some deserved criticism. I have to ask, are you suggesting that Islam should never be criticized?

Dune wrote: Ha, it's funny to see how quick you are to protect the criticism of christianity when you've posted three threads about the criticism of Islam. Islamic fundamentalists receive much harsher criticism in recent years that the KKK has gotten since the 1960's. What has been failed to be seen is the obvious bias in religions.

He edited it faster then I could quote it.

 A kid is whipped to death over religion and you think it’s funny. enough said.

  What Dune never even bothered to read in the article is this part.  

---The townspeople where the boy lived were so outraged that they stormed the cemetery when he was scheduled to be buried, and the burial had to be deferred and carried out under guard.---

  Even the Iranian town’s people are outraged at what happened to the kid, yet DUNE is still off on his personal tangent.

Dune wrote: Wow, you missed the point on purpose.

   Now, every other group gets a lot of abuse on this forum, but forum forbid if Islam gets some deserved criticism. I have to ask, are you suggesting that Islam should never be criticized? 

Or does there have to be a disclaimer at the bottom, saying other religions do it too...

Clark Kent wrote: Still missing the point, except in a smaller font...

I agree, I still have not gotten a reply to this point. Which I might add was the original line of reasoning.

Now, every other group gets a lot of abuse on this forum, but forum forbid if Islam gets some deserved criticism. I have to ask, are you suggesting that Islam should never be criticized? 

Or does there have to be a disclaimer at the bottom, saying other religions do it too...

adrenalinejunky wrote: no, he didn't mean others were missing the point, he meant YOU were missing the point, which, you still obviously are. other religions get abused sure, but there is a difference between stating your view on a religion in an existing thread on the topic (as the vast majority of those posts are) and starting multiple seemingly anti-islamic threads, then using the "they did it too" defense when challenged.

YEA, I know that.  Could you cheerleaders just take a break for a second and let EJP speak.  EJP is an intelligent person and I would like to hear it from EJP and not the go go squad.

With that said, if you answer my question first, then I will address yours, that is how courteous internet discussion works.

Here it is again.

new002 wrote: Not da pope wrote: umm beef jerky   At least that comment was was on par with the Junky guy. lol.

It's a bit early in the day for unnecessary personal attacks, don't you think?

Clark Kent wrote: new002 wrote: Not da pope wrote: umm beef jerky   At least that comment was was on par with the Junky guy. lol. It's a bit early in the day for unnecessary personal attacks, don't you think?

My bad, off topic.  So I still don't see a response to my original question. 

My apologies Adrenalin Junky. your a good guy. I deleted it after I posted it, but it was too late. CK was faster on the draw. :)

adrenalinejunky wrote: no, he didn't mean others were missing the point, he meant YOU were missing the point, which, you still obviously are. other religions get abused sure, but there is a difference between stating your view on a religion in an existing thread on the topic (as the vast majority of those posts are) and starting multiple seemingly anti-islamic threads, then using the "they did it too" defense when challenged.

I'm happy to see you and I agreeing on something for a change. I appreciate the elaboration of your point as well.

What happened to that boy is unfortunate, but with three threads posted, we're tired of your scrutiny of one religion when I'm sure your religion has "ugly followers" as well.

Dune wrote: adrenalinejunky wrote: no, he didn't mean others were missing the point, he meant YOU were missing the point, which, you still obviously are. other religions get abused sure, but there is a difference between stating your view on a religion in an existing thread on the topic (as the vast majority of those posts are) and starting multiple seemingly anti-islamic threads, then using the "they did it too" defense when challenged. I'm happy to see you and I agreeing on something for a change. I appreciate the elaboration of your point as well. What happened to that boy is unfortunate, but with three threads posted, we're tired of your scrutiny of one religion when I'm sure your religion has "ugly followers" as well.

  This is good, thanks for participating.  Yes there are problems within all religions.   Take a look at Clark Kent's picture, the Jesusland one, and then check out this thread.

http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=118968&PN=1&TPN=2 - http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp ?TID=118968&PN=1&TPN=2

  Now, I am not offended by Clark’s choice of picture as I feel that all religions should be subject to criticism. But I bet you guys would be all over me on that picture if I took out JesusLand and replaced it with what I suggested in that thread.

  So you see;

      This whole time I was really speaking about how you guys react to someone like New002, who I might add you perceive as being Anti-Islam, yet you have no problem with someone criticizing JesusLand.

  Why is that? It is because you have become used to criticizing Christians, the thing is people are not used to criticizing Islam so they see racism were none exists.

Ejp414 wrote: Now, put down the debate tricks and tell us exactly what you want to say."

  It should be ok to criticize all religions on this forum. This is a very important point, New002 criticized Christians in the past and New002 was not labeled racist.

  Interestingly when New002 criticizes Islam, New002 is instantly given the racist label by leftists on this forum.

     So why is it that New002 is not able to criticize Islam as Christianity as any other religion?

Dune wrote: I've got a better question. Why do you refer to yourself in the third person?

reply sent via pm.

Darur wrote: new002 wrote: [QUOTE=Ejp414] Because critizing Christianty is politicaly correct, alongside critizing Caucasian males.  Welcome to the real world.

  Very well said Darur.  Politically correct to criticize Christians, yet criticizing Islam is not Politically correct.

 The next question is WHY is this the case on this forum and how do we get past it?

Darur wrote: new002 wrote: adrenalinejunky wrote: Why? because its anti-liberal to come out against a minority. and since the media is for the most part liberal, it gets ingrained.    So help New002, How is one to criticize Islam without being called Racist? One isnt to critizize Islam and one IS to stop talking in the third person. That or just ignore everyone.

  Well it is bigger then that, this whole problem amplifies. We should be able to criticize all religion with out being called prejudiced. There must be away to do so.  If  we can do this for Christianity, there must be a way to do this for Islam.  But how? 

Hades wrote: If I knew anything about the Islamic faith other then they dont treat women very kindly I would critize it just as much as I critize Christianity. It is time for the Ladies to stop being treated second class to the males and the Burkas really do need to come off as well. See how hard was that?

  So what is wrong with linking that to a news example that has affected someone specifically?

Darur wrote: new002 wrote: Darur wrote: It is NOT alright to say "ZOMGZORZ, ES TEH ISLMAM!!!  TEH BOMBZORZ US AND STINK!!! DIE!111ONEO11 You see the difference?   All I did was quote news stories that I might add effected mostly unfortuate Islamic people, were on earth did I do what you said? You didn't, twas only an example.

 Very true, but the prejudice comments and a few racists comments came fast and furious.  So how do you quote a story of an Islamic person who for example is in hiding for her life with out getting called names?
  However,  I could quote Christian stories all day long and not be called prejudice on this forum. Heck in the past I as new002 did just that to see if I coulld get any reaction. There was none.

 Yet quote the same type of stories and change the religion title and you better dive for cover around here.