Moan, As if there aren’t enough problems to deal with.

The wife said that although her husband remained furious about the cross-burning, she felt that discussing the incident could help to prevent a recurrence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/22/nyregion/22cross.html?ei=5006&en=afd9377348d45e27&ex=1101790800&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position= - http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/22/nyregion/22cross.html?ei=5 006&en=afd9377348d45e27&ex=1101790800&partner=AL TAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

reifidom wrote: I see acts like this as thinly veiled threats and not even the first amendment protects threats. On another forum where this was brought up there is a woman arguing that they should be allowed to burn their crosses on people's lawns because she sees it the same as religious right. She also hopes that my refusal to accept that gets me a burning cross on my lawn too, because I guess that would make her right and justify their hate and ignorance towards other races. I don't see how religion plays into it at all. Politics aside, this is just wrong.

  Yeah, I agree it is just wrong and fortunately it is not politically correct to defend these kkk rats in the U.S. anymore.

  You do agree with my points about democracy enabling people to critise extremists by giving critics more protections to do so?

 Thats pretty messed up, but are you sure that it is the whole story.  He might have said "I can whistle at your **** *** woman if I want so get the **** outa my ****** ******* face before I whoop your ****** ******* arse." But I doubt he said that.  I fell sorry that people did that a while back.  I saw a shirt one day that made a whole lot of sense, and was really funny IMO, but I'm not trying to be racist so just think of the true/humorous side.  It said "If we knew they was gonna be this much trouble, we'd have picked our own cotton."  But in reality, we made the trouble ourselves (whites).

 yeah it's pretty sad.  It sucks that people were like that, but even here in the deep south, I can't think of a single person today that would do that, and I know some pretty racist people.  Saddly, black people are not affraid to be racist down here, like the white people are.  They will turn everything into a racial issue.  Recently there was an NAACP protest at McDonalds because a white manager was hired and she fired one black person becasue she was realy lazy and didn't do her job.  So now it is sorta the other way around, just not as extreme.  The NAACP is really active (for no reason IMO) and there is a lot of anti-white feelings by the people in that group.  Even sadder, members of this radical NAACP divison are my teachers and even my Vice Principal.  White kids are suspened immediatly for the smallest things (such as being in a fight but not throwing any punches, Ill explain at the bottom.) yet black kids can go around calling their sisters whores and causeing a huge ordeal, and all he said was "don't say that again."

 As I was saying about the fights, a white boy that is my brother's age (17) was in the luch room standing in line with his friends.  He said "I'm gonna tear up some of that watermelon," and, accidentaly,  some spit came out of his mouth and got on this black kids neck who has already been busted for weed at school.  The kid got all pissed off and the white kid said "You'll be alright." 

 Well, as soon as the white kid was walking out of the lunchroom after eating lunch, he was hit across the face.  He never saw it comming.  The black kid had hit him and ran away after throwing the one hit.  The white kid was pretty pissed, so he threw his water bottle ate him and hit him in the back.

 When the whitnesses were called into the office, only black kids who were friends of the one who hit him (and all potheads) were called in. There were plenty of whitnesses who weren't friends of the black kid, both white and black, but none were called in. So some of the white kids friends who were there to see it went to the office in his deffense on their own.  The white kid was suspended for 3 days for "involuntarily instigating" the fight.  3 days was the same as the black kid. Ohh, and by the way, the black kid refused to go to the office, and the teacer on duty (another NAACP member) didn't make him go to the office, instead, he talked to him for a while, then sat down, then made im go about 10 minutes and 4 calls over the PA later.

While there certainly is much black/white racism out there, don't be fooled into thinking that there isn't also loads of white/black racism...

Sometimes it is just harder to see because you are in the middle of it.  Some examples from my personal life: 

White guy in Southern Mizzourah tells friends and family he is getting married.  One family friend, knowing something about the groom's acquaintances, has only one thing to say:  "She's not black, is she?  I ain't coming to the wedding if she's black."

Black woman in Houston shopping at Wal-Mart with her very white-looking daughter.  She is challenged by a complete stranger with "what are you doing with that white child?!"

White men who consistently refer to rap as "**edited**er noise" and low-end crap work as "**edited**er work".

The thing about racism is that you ALWAYS notice when it is directed at you.  It is much harder to see, unless it involves a beat-down, when it is not directed at you.

EDIT - I guess it was too much to hope that the filter would let that go...    :/

 Well, I notice that alot about the N-music, but when you think about it, the N word is always in that music.  It's wrong to call it that, but thats not a real big issue.  What really pisses me off is when one race does physical discremination against someone, like a white person not giving a black person a job, or a black person tries to make everything racial and gets to taking things to court and makes stupid protests.  Also, black people do the exact same things to white people as you described, Clark.  They call rock "Cracker Music" (I know black people who call it that, just like I know white people who call rap N music".

 However, my point is that it is a lot worse to the white people here.  You'd have to live hear to even belive me.

Burning a cross in someone else's lawn is seen as a threat, inciting violence. That is one main reason it is illegal. If those idiots want to burn a cross on their lawn, then it's up to them.

New002, once again you have to attack "leftists." If you want to complain about the article you posted, do so and lay off attacking liberals for a while.

It is very offensive to call it N-music. Racism is a two way street and should always be looked at in that way.

Anyways, the KKK have their rights, regardless of whether or not you disagree with them. They can say what they want, but if they threaten violence, it's illegal.

You cannot actually put a sign in your yard that say's kill anything. That incites violence. You can put a sign that say's "jews are scum" because that is your opinion.

Regardless of who is more open about it or what, Clark has a good point that every race has racial tendencies, it is just easier for people to act like the victim's rather than to acknowledge all racism.

Some african americans use that word, not all. The problem occurs with generalization, which is very obvious.

That is the title in which they want to be called. Therefore, out of respect that is what we call them. Their roots are from america, therefore they are native. African American's roots are from Africa, therefore we refer to them as African Americans. Why complain about their title if you aren't one of them?

"They" don't need anything.  Many black people are perfectly happy being called "black."  Others prefer "african american," and others still prefer "dude."  Some still like the old-school "colored."

Different PEOPLE have different preferences and needs.  Once we generalize those preferences and needs to entire groups we are doing ourselves all a great big disservice.

Me, I hate being called "dude".  Annoys the heck out of me.  Generalizing that to all people who look like me would be both incorrect and unhelpful.

There is no "they."

Hades wrote: new002 wrote: Yeah, I agree it is just wrong and fortunately it is not politically correct to defend these kkk rats in the anymore. You do agree with my points about democracy enabling people to critise extremists by giving critics more protections to do so? Whoah whoah. I missed this the first time I read through this thread. While it is not legal to burn a cross on someone else's lawn because it is considered a hate crime and vandalism. I see nothing wrong with someone burning a cross on their own lawn to make a statement. The KKK and all the other extremest in America have the right to voice their opinion. If this were to ever change I would be sorely dissapointed with the Supreme Court and government. It is called Free Speech! And it is prefectally PC to stand up for these groups, they have every right to say what they say. Just because it is not the popular or even correct opinion, it is allowed to be voiced.

   I think Dune picked it up, when he said it was inciting hatred to burn a cross on your property. I agree with Dune.

Dune wrote: I still believe it is their right to speak how they want. If they want to bash then they can, but they must be able to take people criticisizing them as well. It is only when they threaten that they need to be silenced.

Well said.

"I'm not a racist, but now I am going to make a racist statement."

gg

Hades wrote: untouchable555 wrote: I am not racist but "african americans" are whiny as hell. They have black pride month or something like that, what would they do if we"cacausions" had white pride month? This has to be up there with one of the dumbest posts, I have ever read. I celebrate my heritage every day, by not making an ass of myself to the public.

I get bored and post stupid **edited**.

Yeah, that's an excuse.

:/

^^^ A valid point.

Look, the bottom line is this:

1. Racism is as big as we make it. When you expect to see racism, you will see racism wether there is any or not. This is why a lot of black people seem whiny, etc... to others; they tend to take many things racialy when they were not intended that way.
   
   
2. Fighting racism causes racism. Groups like the NAACP who fight racism completly defeat themselves. Whatever thier intention is or was, their effect is to cause black people to be oversensitive to racism (See #1), and to alienate others and make them more apt to dislike black people. Racism CANNOT be fought, it can only be ignored. If you refuse to acknowledge racism, if you refuse to attribute certian behavior to racist prejudices, then there will be no racism.
   
   
3. Racism cannot be generalized. Each and every person on this planet has a different defenition of what racism is. One thing would be considered a compliment by one person, and a racist attack by another. It personal and it's hard to see ahead of time. If and when (because we probably all will at one time or another) say or do something that is taken racially by someone around you, don't be like "oh, you're one of those people", just laugh it off. Apologize, and don't make a big deal out of it.
   
   
4. Racial differences aren't. We are all humans. There are no real African-Americans unless they were born in Africa. Racial labeling in the name of political correctness causes racism. You are white he is black. He does things and says things that you don't. He doesn't think the way you do. SO WHAT!?! The minute you become afraid to talk about your differences because "it might be taken racialy" you are causing racism.

You have the choice: To cause racism or to not. To treat someone differently because thier skin doesn't look like yours, or to see them for what they are: a person, and maybe, just maybe, a freind.

Slimz.357 wrote: ^^^ A valid point. Look, the bottom line is this: Racism is as big as we make it. When you expect to see racism, you will see racism wether there is any or not. This is why a lot of black people seem whiny, etc... to others; they tend to take many things racialy when they were not intended that way. Fighting racism causes racism. Groups like the NAACP who fight racism completly defeat themselves. Whatever thier intention is or was, their effect is to cause black people to be oversensitive to racism (See #1), and to alienate others and make them more apt to dislike black people. Racism CANNOT be fought, it can only be ignored. If you refuse to acknowledge racism, if you refuse to attribute certian behavior to racist prejudices, then there will be no racism. Racism cannot be generalized. Each and every person on this planet has a different defenition of what racism is. One thing would be considered a compliment by one person, and a racist attack by another. It personal and it's hard to see ahead of time. If and when (because we probably all will at one time or another) say or do something that is taken racially by someone around you, don't be like "oh, you're one of those people", just laugh it off. Apologize, and don't make a big deal out of it. Racial differences aren't. We are all humans. There are no real African-Americans unless they were born in Africa. Racial labeling in the name of political correctness causes racism. You are white he is black. He does things and says things that you don't. He doesn't think the way you do. SO WHAT!?! The minute you become afraid to talk about your differences because "it might be taken racialy" you are causing racism. You have the choice: To cause racism or to not. To treat someone differently because thier skin doesn't look like yours, or to see them for what they are: a person, and maybe, just maybe, a freind.

Bravo, very well said.

I am going to start the NAAWP so white people can call non-white people racist and have them go to jail for nothing.

hey, it works for the NAACP

Ok...

Are you going to post an example?

boomstick wrote: Why all of these threads?

To prove a point.

boomstick wrote: travis75 wrote: boomstick wrote: Why all of these threads? To prove a point. But why? Points are over-rated.

Which point are you talking about?

travis75 wrote: I am going to start the NAAWP so white people can call non-white people racist and have them go to jail for nothing. hey, it works for the NAACP

Never mind.

Already been done.

http://www.naawp.com/ - http://www.naawp.com/

So what's your point, travis?

Dune wrote: I mean, hell, every private golf club only lets blacks be their caddies.

  It’s truly sad to see you think that way.

new002 wrote: Dune wrote: I mean, hell, every private golf club only lets blacks be their caddies.   It’s truly sad to see you think that way.

Wow, and someone is too blind to see sarcasm.

what a bunch of dink holes yeah a burn crosses im reall cool. what a bunch of fudge packers

It was dropped, until you bumped it.