There have been neumerous posts about autocockers and cockers...are these two the same? What brand makes them? Are they better than Tippmanns? Arethey for speedball or woodsball...

can you give me some links?

wow.

Autococker- (nickname- cocker).

The autococker fires from a closed bolt. It is probably the only gun that fires closed bolt. The auto-cocker system only activates during the last half of the trigger pull. The final portion activates a three way valve that allows CO2 to enter the front side of the activating cylinder. This in turn pushes the cocking block backward approximately 1" and moves the bolt and cocking rod backwards. At this time the hammer latches and a paintball drops into the breech. The bolt and cocking assembly remains in the rearward position until you release the trigger. Releasing the trigger reverses the three-way valve. This vents the CO2 from the front of the activating cylinder and routes CO2 to the rear of the activating cylinder. The cylinder then pulls the cocking block and bolt into the forward position. The gun is now ready to fire. The first half of the next trigger pull releases the hammer, firing the gun, and the second half of the pull repeats the above steps.

Or in other words...

The basic idea behind the AutoCocker is to take a pump gun and replace the pump handle with a piston to pump the gun automatically. Hence the ram. The ram is controlled by a 3-way valve that is connected to the trigger. The ram, 3-way, and regulator are located under a cover or exposed (most are exposed) on the front of the gun. The cocking block connecting rod run down the left side of the body. It connects the ram to the cocking block. When the trigger is depressed, the 3-way sends Co2 to the back of the ram's piston and it in turn pushes the cocking block back. When this happens, the block pulls the bolt and cocking rod back as well. The bolt is now open which allows a paintball to fall into the chamber. The cocking rod is connected to the hammer, so the hammer is also pulled back until the sear catches on the trigger. When the trigger is released, the 3-way routes Co2 into the front of the piston, pulling the cocking block forward, closing the bolt. The paintgun is now ready to fire. Depressing the trigger again fires the paintball and begins the cycle again.

So the autococker will not fire a paintball on the first trigger pull, but rather has to cycle a paintball into the chamber first.

cockerkilla99' wrote: wow. Autococker- (nickname- cocker). The autococker fires from a closed bolt. It is probably the only gun that fires closed bolt. The auto-cocker system only activates during the last half of the trigger pull. The final portion activates a three way valve that allows CO2 to enter the front side of the activating cylinder. This in turn pushes the cocking block backward approximately 1" and moves the bolt and cocking rod backwards. At this time the hammer latches and a paintball drops into the breech. The bolt and cocking assembly remains in the rearward position until you release the trigger. Releasing the trigger reverses the three-way valve. This vents the CO2 from the front of the activating cylinder and routes CO2 to the rear of the activating cylinder. The cylinder then pulls the cocking block and bolt into the forward position. The gun is now ready to fire. The first half of the next trigger pull releases the hammer, firing the gun, and the second half of the pull repeats the above steps. Or in other words... The basic idea behind the AutoCocker is to take a pump gun and replace the pump handle with a piston to pump the gun automatically. Hence the ram. The ram is controlled by a 3-way valve that is connected to the trigger. The ram, 3-way, and regulator are located under a cover or exposed (most are exposed) on the front of the gun. The cocking block connecting rod run down the left side of the body. It connects the ram to the cocking block. When the trigger is depressed, the 3-way sends Co2 to the back of the ram's piston and it in turn pushes the cocking block back. When this happens, the block pulls the bolt and cocking rod back as well. The bolt is now open which allows a paintball to fall into the chamber. The cocking rod is connected to the hammer, so the hammer is also pulled back until the sear catches on the trigger. When the trigger is released, the 3-way routes Co2 into the front of the piston, pulling the cocking block forward, closing the bolt. The paintgun is now ready to fire. Depressing the trigger again fires the paintball and begins the cycle again. So the autococker will not fire a paintball on the first trigger pull, but rather has to cycle a paintball into the chamber first.

Wo. Mike made an insightful post. You should learn up on cockers a little bit and then get one, if you have the money. I love mine.

whereISmy A-5 wrote: How many kinds of autocockers are there? can you send me some links please?

Ok. Here is what I can find in a relatively short time:

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=ULByXuFFbZJySKDn51yy9uvjGIP23gz-po0=?CategoryName=paintball-guns-worrgames-paintball-guns - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=ULByXuFFbZJySKDn51yy9u vjGIP23gz-po0=?CategoryName=paintball-guns-worrgames-paintba ll-guns

Also realize that other manufacturers make Autocockers, not just Worr Game Products. So what you see in that link is not the whole deal.

I don't have an autococker, but would like to get one.  Here is a site with some "cocker" info on it.

http://www.madcocker.com/ - http://www.madcocker.com/

hybrid-sniper wrote: Ok. Here is what I can find in a relatively short time: http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=ULByXuFFbZJySKDn51yy9uvjGIP23gz-po0=?CategoryName=paintball-guns-worrgames-paintball-guns - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=ULByXuFFbZJySKDn51yy9u vjGIP23gz-po0=?CategoryName=paintball-guns-worrgames-paintba ll-guns Also realize that other manufacturers make Autocockers, not just Worr Game Products. So what you see in that link is not the whole deal.

Is the Karnivor considered an autococker too?

Yes.

there are lots of autocockers the only downfall to them is that they are hard to work on and they are better than tippys

There are Custom cockers (aftermarket bought bodys such as AIM, FreeFlow, MacDev, Bob Long Turtle, Marvin, Fastbacks, etc...)

then there are Cockers- (WorrGame Products)

Then we have fake cockers or FOCKERS (system X, Dye, any other brand besides ones mentioned above).

There is also Mechicanial Autocockers (the way it works is my 1st post).

Then you can order a ANS Race Frame, or Eclipse Eblade 1 or 2. Them kind are powered by a electric solonoid, that acts as a 3-way only has a noid inside that sends singles to the board in the grip frame, these kind are much faster then mech cockers, but also alot more money...seeing a eblade 2 is going for $450. and a Mech cocker is only about $200-$500...

I have both a E-Cocker, and my new Mech cocker is on the way, im putting a nice e2 (eblade 2) on my mech for xmas....

^^^.

He's talking AUTOCOCKER not Automated cocking system....autocockers are penumitic (sp) operated guns.

And Budd Orr Was the First to invent the autococker.

cockerkilla99' wrote: ^^^. He's talking AUTOCOCKER not Automated cocking system....autocockers are penumitic (sp) operated guns. And Budd Orr Was the First to invent the autococker.

Actually, just about any paintball gun is a "pneumatic operated" gun. (Think about the name "Tippmann Pneumatic, LLC")

Also, just to set the record straight: Palmer was the FIRST to come up with the idea of using a 3-way/4-way to actuate a pneumatic ram to recock a pump gun; the core concept behind the Autococker.

While Palmer developed the idea, Bud Orr simply had more business sense and savy to market the gun he created based on this concept: the Autococker.

cockerkilla99' wrote: So the autococker will not fire a paintball on the first trigger pull, but rather has to cycle a paintball into the chamber first.

Excellent post, but please allow me to make one small clarification:

While it is true that a cocker will not fire on it's first trigger pull, this only happens when you first gas up. After that, every pull breaks down in 2 parts :the first half of the pull will release the hammer and discharge the gun, the second part will activate the 3-way and recock the gun making it ready for the next shot. (Kind of like the chicken and the egg question.)

Yes, I thought he would know that, but I see where your coming from.

Thanks.

cockerkilla99' wrote: Yes, I thought he would know that, but I see where your coming from. Thanks.

No problem. All good. I learned from experience that when speaking to people about cockers who know nothing about cockers, you have to be very precise about the info you give!

I see them as fockers, some don't some people do.

All and all, the parts on them are cheap, and I do not like the overall price for what ur getting.