Silencer
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Topic: Silencer
Posted By: limster
Subject: Silencer
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 1:07pm
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is there such thing as a paintball silencer such as those of airsoft, lined
with foam that work a treat. |
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Posted By: rkelley41
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 1:18pm
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Welcome to the forum. Hopefully this thread won't get locked because of the thread title.
Silencers are illegal. Besides they really don't work on paintball markers because the object of a silencer is to quiet supersonic gasses and projectiles (bullets). Since a paintball is going less than 300 fps, it is already subsonic and therefore unnecessary. A lot of people think they can use silencers on paintball markers and they are wrong. Silencers are on a federal list that requires a license no matter what it is used for. Again, welcome to the forum. ------------- Model 98 Armson barrel Flatline barrel 47psi/3k HPA 20oz CO2 Tippman expansion chamber |
Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 1:37pm
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As stated above silencers are illegal. The closest thing you will come to is a fake suppressor for mil-sim guns that do not silence the gun but do make it look pretty. Welcome to the forums. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
Posted By: limster
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 1:49pm
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so what happens with an airsof mk23 socom (think thats the one)
just has this cool silencer on the end lined with foam and airsoft isnt more than 300fps |
Posted By: limster
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 1:57pm
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http://www.airsoftarms.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=1747
thats the gun |
Posted By: jjclown23
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 2:47pm
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i bet when enos reads this say gbye to this topic, let it die, no sileners, its illegal ------------- A-5 Response Trigger DOP Blade Trigger Polished Internals X-Chamber Custom Paint 14" J&J |
Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 2:47pm
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use the edit button,
and airsoft silancers do not make them quieter. there just for looks. they do nothing and where does it say its lined with foam? http://www.airsoftarms.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=3938 - http://www.airsoftarms.com/viewproductdetail.php?ProdID=3938 look at all there "silencers" they all say. "*This silencer is only a replica and does not offer any silencing capability." |
Posted By: limster
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 4:59pm
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ive used one and it really does work
but massivly,, amazingly,, unbelievably find some dude who has a mk23 socom made by tokio marui and ull c the difference,, its not bull |
Posted By: jjclown23
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 5:09pm
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sorry.. i like to stick to being a person doing non-illegal stuff ------------- A-5 Response Trigger DOP Blade Trigger Polished Internals X-Chamber Custom Paint 14" J&J |
Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 5:58pm
dudz u gots good inglsh beliv m3 ul c teh diff aftre fonix |
limster wrote:Posted By: jjclown23
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 5:59pm
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m3 eunglish geood ------------- A-5 Response Trigger DOP Blade Trigger Polished Internals X-Chamber Custom Paint 14" J&J |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 6:01pm
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Silencers aren't illegal, atleast from my memeory of the long
debate. The one guy owned everyone with the actual legal document
saying that you need a class 3 license or whatever only if it uses an
explosion propellent. Somthing along those lines.
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Posted By: 98c Dude13
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 6:18pm
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I saw a guy with a whisper barrel with a silencer and it really did work. ------------- TIPPMANN 98 CUSTOM 14" Progressive barrel 32* Black gel grips BT-16 Double trigger Pen Spring Mod X-core Expansion Chamber Vertical Adapter |
Posted By: 2k4kev
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 6:25pm
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So heres my question... why are silencers illegal... if the dont "work" ------------- 
KH ARMY>you |
Posted By: scarsight
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 6:28pm
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wat is so great about enos i think he is weird ------------- 98 Custom 14-inch Teardrop Barrel Double Trigger Quantum Electric Hopper: lol A-5 14 inch Werks barrel Double Trigger R-5 Hopper Shocktech Drop Forward |
Posted By: whereISmy A-5
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 7:16pm
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its not like pb markers make ALOT of noise....i mean its not that big of a deal that you have to silence them... |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 10:33pm
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Eh, a silencer on a paintball marker is jus fer looks and it doesnt do crap! And regardless what type of barrel you use, you will still be heard....Bat Signal, Enos kill this thread! |
Posted By: Bonestock98
Date Posted: 24 November 2004 at 1:05pm
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Classic Army's Replica up of the SOCOM silencer.
It's right there in your link ------------- F.A.T.T.S.W.F.A.-Forumers Against Things That Start With "Forumers Against" |
Posted By: Stormcharger
Date Posted: 24 November 2004 at 2:21pm
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OMG, here we go again. The legal limit of noise suppression is 3db. This means that you can reduce the noise of firing by half and still be legal. A paintball gun does not meet the definition of being a firearm and so the Class III licencing does not apply. However the law is interpreted by each county in the United States differently. If you are worried about it being legal in your area, contact your local sheriff. If you don't ask you will never know. |
Posted By: S\/\/4T-L()G4N
Date Posted: 24 November 2004 at 5:24pm
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Nope, its federal. It has nothing to do with it being a paintball gun. The problem comes in because the silencer MAY have silencing capabilities on a real firearm. Hence the Class III firearms crap.
And if it was legal to do, why did the guy that got one the legal guy not get laughed right out of the building. ------------- 
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Posted By: monster- baller
Date Posted: 24 November 2004 at 6:05pm
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actually how can a silencer help, from my experiance most of teh niose made from a marker is from teh blow back bolt. ------------- i reject reality and substitute my own |
Posted By: Skorpion317
Date Posted: 24 November 2004 at 7:41pm
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they're not technically illegal...you need a license for them. Even if you're only using it on your paintball gun, it's possible for the silencer to be mounted on a real gun. That's why you need a license. just give up on the idea, it's not worth the trouble. ------------- 98 Custom Flatline Barrel Pro-Team Sniper F/X stock 32 Degrees Remote Line Response Trigger Ricochet 2K hopper Removed Front Grip Polished Internals Adco Imp red dot sight |
Posted By: S\/\/4T-L()G4N
Date Posted: 24 November 2004 at 8:41pm
Yay, someone who understands. Listen to a DM4 shoot and listen to a 98c shoot. It has to do with moving parts compared to SLAMMING parts. -------------
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Posted By: ashesthedog
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 9:08pm
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Get a 2 liter plastic bottle, stuff it with TP, and put it over the end
of your barrel and shoot your marker. Then ask the question to yourself
again, "Where is most of the noise coming from?" ------------- It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. |
Posted By: Unicorn
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:24am
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This is copied directly from the FAQ from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms website at http://www.aft.gov - www.aft.gov The link for the faq itself is http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a9 - http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a9 A9) Q. Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers legal? [ javascript history.back1 - Back ] A. §921(a)(24) The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication. Numerous paintball silencers tested by the Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be (emphasis added by me), by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C., Section 921(a)(24). An individual wishing to manufacturer a firearm silencer must receive prior approval from ATF by submitting an ATF Form 1 and paying a $200 making tax. If I have any further questions as to this classification, who should I contact? Please send a written request to our Firearms Technology Branch at the following address: Bureau of ATF So, unless you get a license (not a class 3 license, that's for machine guns), for $200 and renew it every year, posessing a silencer for paintball "markers" is still illegal. |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:39am
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Can I say that the post up above be posted as a sticky....it would solve those pathetic silencer threads that keeps poppin up everywhere in the forums! ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition! 
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Posted By: boarder2k7
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:45am
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See http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/w wf77a/forum_posts.asp ?TID=123574&PN=1 for more info......
And silencers do not work for supersonic.
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Posted By: jimbob07
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 12:33pm
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you might as well forget a silencer you can make them ,but it doesnt help on a paintball gun due to subsonic speeds . However there are barrels made for silencing your gun such as the 32 degrees quiet riot or whisper thats what i would recomend i own both. theyre great. By the way i aint new. 98 custom blk whisper barrell 14" Quiet Riot barrell 14" Carbine stock expansion chamber remote line ------------- jimbob07 |
Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 3:47pm
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Unicorn,
Thank you for refreshing my memory. They can be made legal after the form and 200 dollar making tax. It has been a few years since I have studied up on paintball marker supressors. I knew you had to get it certified, and pay so much. Forgot that it effectivly still considers it a firearm silencer. So, I guess I stand corrected. {Here is a excerpt from a letter sent from the BATF to Bill Mills.} Since we have preliminarily determines that the subject device would meet the definition of a firearm silencer, you would, prior to making the device, have to submit ATF Form 1, Application to Make and Register a firearm, to the National Firearms Act Branch, pay a $200 making tax and recieve approval of the application. The NFA Branch can be reached at: Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms National Firearms Act Branch 650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW., Room 5300 Washington, DC 20226 (202) 927-8330 After such approval, the device can be submitted to the Firearms Technology Branch for a formal classification. After examination the device will be returned to you. In the event that the device is determined not to be a firearm silencer, you will be refunded the $200. That was from Edward M. Owen, Jr. Chief, Firearms Technology Branch. And that was back in 1995. http://www.corin.com/bill/paintball/silencer.html This is the page with all of Bill's confirance with the BATF. If I could have remembered the site earlier, it could have refreshed my memory and answered alot of questions. "And silencers do not work for supersonic." True, but....... In this application a supressor on a gun using supersonic ammunition does two thing. 1) Even though sound is created by the round traveling faster than the speed of sound, the sound from the round firing (the explosion of the powder in the cartridge) is effectivly suppresed depending on quality of said supressor. It makes it a whole lot harder to pin point you position. 2)It also supresses the flash of the muzzle blast. Which again makes it difficult to pin point your location. For a little demonstration of this, get out your .22 rifle. Buy your standard .22 rounds, and then a box of sub sonic ammo. Fire the first, and then the other. You will hear a distinctive difference. One has the pop of the round detonating, but not the crack the bullet makes as it breaks the sound barrier. A supressor on a firearm using supersonic rounds is not silent, but the sound is reduced. That is why I prefer the term supressor instead of silence. ------------- Halo CDPaintbal.com One of the oldest running scenario fields in the southeast. |
Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 3:52pm
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You guys may want to put a link to Bill's page on silencers and sticky that. As Evil said it would cut down on these threads. And he gets fairly in detail on design, and then his two letters to and from the BATF.
And Evil, they arent pathetic. People just want to know about them. Remember, there is no bad questions. ------------- Halo CDPaintbal.com One of the oldest running scenario fields in the southeast. |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 4:41pm
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I never said they were bad questions, I was merely saying that its pathetic that these threads keep popping up by people who fail to conduct a thorough search on certain subjects such as this one. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 7:42am
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Dude, its the internet. Nobody searchs. Well some of us do. But it aint many.
------------- Halo CDPaintbal.com One of the oldest running scenario fields in the southeast. |
Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 8:32am
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Gah! To silence a paintball gun is different from silencing a firearm. Under Unicron's post, it says NUMEROUS paintball silencers work on actual firearms, not ALL. This is a common problem caused by people like those posting thinking that's the only way to silence anything. Your paintball gun works differently than a real gun. No, it's not the bolt clanking that produces the sound. Leave air off the gun, cock it, and pull the trigger. Did it go BOOM? NO. It made a soft and very quiet thud. No, the bolt doesn't fly back during blow back and smack the end cap either. Huh, wonder where the noise comes from? There is a guy at the field I play at with an Excalibur. He claims it operates off of only 45 psi. Whatever the case, it is just about silent. You don't hear him shooting at you until the balls are breaking around/ on you. I wonder why it's silent? He didn't make a silencer and put it on on his paintball gun. I'll tell everyone AGAIN. Your gun uses 800 psi. The surrounding air is 1 ATM, or about 14 psi. When 800 psi meets 14 psi out of a .68 inch hole, what happens? BOOM. What does this mean? Well, you could ultra compress as much cotton, tissue paper, high tech sound reducing foam as you want in a silencer attachment. The problem is, it won't help much. The only reason these silencers appear to work is because they allow the air more room to expand and drop in pressure. Key word here, DROP IN PRESSURE. So, it'd be much better to NOT stuff it with sound-deadening materials, since that just makes it illegal (or need a license, not illegal, whatever). What can you do to silence your gun? Buy a barrel with lots of porting, polish the internals, put in a stronger drive spring (Maddman RED spring kit), and get the Comp-air kit to DROP THE PRESSURE. Is anyone getting this yet? ------------- A-5 E-grip Chipley Custom Carbon Graphite 16" Evil Adapter(Spyder) 32 Deg New '03 XChamber Remote Line Gun Sling Sniper f/x Stock LPK 68/4500 HPA R-5 CP Reg JCS Duel Trigger |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:38pm
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Anyone interested in quieter barrels should check out the End Game Compression Barrel. http://www.endgameinc.com/ - http://www.endgameinc.com/ I have one on one of my 98Cs and here's what I think of it: It does not sound any quieter when firing the marker. It sounds "different" (sort of a hollow metallic sound that reminds me of a M203), but not quieter. The folks I play with swear it is significantly quieter. I got one elimination because an opponent directly on the other side of my cover did not hear me firing at his team and did not know I was there until he exposed himself to fire. It is hard on paint. If the weather isn't perfect, I swap in a 12" J&J. The inside is amazingly rough. It reminds me of a flatline. I don't know if it's intentional and helps quiet the shots, if it's a poor quality finish, or if it's supposed to be some type of rifling. Despite this, the barrel is surprisingly accurate. (I picked it up used from a young man who claimed it was not accurate. I was curious so I made him an offer and he accepted.) I'm not that fond of the length, but they make shorter ones. ------------- 
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Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 10:19am
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Mack- that barrel would make a great "silencer"~ish thing. I'm guessing the portion of the barrel where the silencer looking thing sits is cut with large open holes. The key to this barrel is not only the larger area for the air to expand, but the fluted porting facing back. This makes the bulk of the sound escaping the fluting come back at the gun operator, not the target. That barrel plus the LPK, polishing, and strong drive spring would make a very quiet Tippmann. ------------- A-5 E-grip Chipley Custom Carbon Graphite 16" Evil Adapter(Spyder) 32 Deg New '03 XChamber Remote Line Gun Sling Sniper f/x Stock LPK 68/4500 HPA R-5 CP Reg JCS Duel Trigger |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 11:16am
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Reading my last post I realized I wasn't completely clear (go figure). What I meant to say was it doesn't sound quieter to me when I'm using it. Lord Jovian: You are correct. The "silencer" screws on and off. The barrel under it, and the "silencer" both have large teardrop ports. Additionally the silencer came with some kind of foam insert. I've never tried it without the insert, that will make for an interesting experiment when paintball season starts up again. Edited Addition: Oh and you were right about the porting too. I never noticed before, but it does face back toward the rear of the marker. -------------
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 11:22am
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Paintball has a season? ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 11:52am
It does in Montana where it was -28 last week. (Must be nice to live someplace warm.)  -------------
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 12:44pm
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Ahhhhhh....paintballing is a year round thing here in Cali. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: Mr.oizo
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 12:51pm
never heard of a silencer but i have heard of some things that can make your gun quiet like different barrels and ect------------- Last night a Dj killed my dog. |
Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 1:04pm
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I guess paintballing could be year round here in Montana too, if I could play on real short notice any time of the week. To give an example of what I mean: It was -28 (-45 w/wind chill) last week and blizzard conditions. It was still in the negatives at the beginning of this week. It started warming up Wednesday and had reached 60 degrees and melted all the snow by yesterday. Today it is 25 degrees and snowing again. (Yes, if you're wondering, this is typical for a winter up here.) -------------
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 1:23pm
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my shocker is almost sclient the only sound i hear is the air comming out of the side (i plan to mill a slot in the bottom and plug up the hole) anyway paintball scliencers wont do much to an open bolt blow black marker however if they are going to help it will be with a closed bolt marker like pumps or a cocker. ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: OldSkoolBaller
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 5:14pm
I have an EndGame Compression (14") barrel for my A5. It is fairly quiet and accurate, not to mention it looks bad @$$. The interior is a little "rough" because it is considered another layer of "rifling" in addition to the spiral porting. I agree it does also seem picky on paint. I had best results with Chronic so far. With that said, they are over priced though, probably due to their limited production. If you want one of these, see if you can pick one up second hand, or try one first to see if it is worth it to you. ------------- "We do it until our balls break!" 
A5 w/ E-grip (APE Rampage board) & JCS Trigger, Outkast 'cocker w/ mucho upgrades |
Posted By: DrunkDriver
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 5:22pm
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I am pretty sure they are illegal. Most importantly, you don't need one on a paintball gun. The only real reason I can see is if you wanted to make a scenario gun. ------------- http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=260991706090alb8rs.jpg"> 
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 5:47pm
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Ok here's the best silencer fer any type of marker and real firearm.....DONT PULL THE TRIGGER! ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 6:00pm
Evil-fingers wins!   -------------
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 6:03pm
 now pay me fer my services ya  s ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 6:09pm
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The check is in the mail. -------------
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Posted By: Eyeball98c
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 8:22pm
------------- Save our planet by helping conserve oxygen......go kill yourself |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 9:25pm
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What the hell is you talkin bout? ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: bomberpilot07
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 10:02pm
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the closest thing to silenced is the 32 degrees wisper barrel, very quite. ------------- "OBSESSED IS A WORD THE LAZY USE TO DESCRIBE THE DEDICATED" |