Israel, Palestine, Canada, Iraq.
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Topic: Israel, Palestine, Canada, Iraq.
Posted By: Barretm82
Subject: Israel, Palestine, Canada, Iraq.
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:13pm
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Since there has been so many political and news conversations on the forum lately, I thought why not have a friendly discussion.
So here we go, For some there is a buzz up here that because Canada didn’t participate in Iraq that somehow Canada has capital that could be spent on the Israeli & Palestine problems. Some say we should spend that capital to assist in achieving some sort of resolution in the Middle East; Others in Canada question the sanity of getting involved in the Middle East at all. So what do you think, because Canada is not in Iraq, does Canada have any Capital to spend in the Middle East to help tip Israel / Palestine towards a workable resolution, particularly now that Arafat is gone? (I want to reserve my thoughts for the moment so I don't influence conversation) |
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:23pm
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no, i think canada should stay out of it. why do you think so many countries hate the states? because the states believe its there job the fix the world. i think canada should just stay out of it. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: pb125
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:28pm
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Canada will never help in a war, thats why alot of people move there.-me
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:32pm
Our job has basicly become fixing the world... If people are killing eachother for no reason, we should at least try to help... |
FROG MAN wrote:Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:41pm
BS, look at WWII retard |
Posted By: Variable
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:46pm
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So much for the friendly discussion... I don't think you can solve the conflict in the Middle East by throwing money at it, therefore Canada should keep its money. ------------- 
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:46pm
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canada was helping in WWII before the states ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Barretm82
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:48pm
Hold up... -- I wasn't thinking in direct military intervention. So lets not get into that. How do you perceive Canada, as in since we are not in Iraq, does that somehow give us influence to spend in the Middle East, particularly Palestine? |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:48pm
no its not, what if korea comes and attacks the states and says "were are trying to fix the states corrupt problems, murders, rapes, child pornagraphy, kid napping, we needed to help them" see thats not anothere countries job to fix, its yours. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:49pm
Yep. That's like the only thing I ever agree with you on, but still... People should stop being stupid and acknowledge those who died for us... |
Posted By: Barretm82
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:50pm
| ^^^ OK, now lets stay away from military intervention. That's not what I was getting at guys... |
Posted By: Barretm82
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:50pm
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Hold up...
-- I wasn't thinking in direct military intervention. So lets not get into that. How do you perceive Canada, as in since we are not in Iraq, does that somehow give us influence to spend in the Middle East, particularly Palestine? |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:52pm
even though im against most wars, I can still acknowledge americans that die trying to help the world, its really not fair when the media bashes the soldiers when they should be getting mad at the goverment. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: BARREL BREAK
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:53pm
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Barret- how do we help w/o military intervention (Which coincidentally hurts)?
If there is a way other than throwing money at it, I havent heard of one that seems to work. |
Posted By: Barretm82
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 2:11pm
Well, I am going to leave this thread for a bit for more replies. After that I (humbly) think I might have some insight to your question. Eventually I need to run this thru rigorous debate to get the nicks worked out. "sort of speak". Later; I may have worded this incorrectly. I should not have used the word Capital. I'll reword it. How do you perceive Canada, as in since we are not in Iraq, does that somehow give us influence to spend in the Middle East, particularly Palestine? |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 2:19pm
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kinda like what barrel break was saying, you can either throw money at a problem or use milatry (kinda sad), but by using military your going to throw more money away anyway. another reason i think canada should stay out of it, we have enough problems in are own country before we should start trying to fix the worlds problems. ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 2:22pm
That wouldn't be reason enough to invade another country. However, if it were instead a government that was oppressive and murdered millions of it's own citizens, then that would be a just reason to go to war, to help that countries citizens. If our gov't were like that, I would want someone invading our country to protect us from it. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: Barretm82
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 2:30pm
Bango, How do you perceive Canada, as in since we are not in Iraq, does that somehow give us influence to spend in the Middle East, particularly Palestine? I am not taking about direct Canadian military intervention. |
Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 2:41pm
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america seems safe if your on its side, but think about it. why are ppl scared of north korea, the have nukes, there unpredicable, have lots of power, disagree with are way of life. now did i just describe north korea from an american point of view or did a describe america from a korean point of view???? ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: Frozen
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 3:09pm
| I'd stay out, the Middle East is a huge mess, and once you're there, there is no leaving. |
Posted By: Barretm82
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 7:39pm
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Here is the thing. Some time ago, I had the honor of being in a debate about the pillars of Canadian foreign policy and conversation about the situation in Iraq overshadowed it a lot as it was just before the Iraq war.
Anyhoo I know the minister of foreign affairs at the time (nearly 2 years ago) would specifically remember that debate as it spanned nearly 2 months, although I am not sure if he would recall my user name particularly. Anyhoo, to make a long conversation short, there is a "Missing or perhaps overlooked Pillar" that would aid in successful negotiations that are to take place next year between Israel & Palestine. I think that Canada may be able to build a better foundation or pillar, to help support and potentially tip those negotiations towards a successful resolution which have failed in the past. The problem is that there is an incredible amount of bureaucracy to cut through in order to have a direct conversation with that particular Canadian minister again, but here is hope to dreaming. Later; Barretm82 |
Posted By: munky!
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 7:51pm
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wow, ameicains actuly trying to talk about canada in an inteligent way. never thought id see the day.
by the way we temporarily banned burning your flag while bush is here! hurray for you! on the serius, yet still poorly spelled side. anyone that actully thinks the us went to iraq to "help" them should be taken out of the genepool. you guys have enough problems already to start "helping" other contrys and even if you didnt have any problems america is generaly seen as the people who dont give a **edited**. canada being the people that do give a **edited**, but dont do anything. ------------- Forumers ageinst stuff that sucks |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 8:03pm
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I would suggest that NOT being directly involved in most Middle Eastern conflicts (I think) would reduce Canada's legitimacy as a "I want this" political player, but would increase Canada's legitimacy as an "impartial peace broker" political player (like Norway, for instance). Assuming, of course, that people believe that Canada is independent from the US (or even know that it is a separate country - no joke). Of course, this potential credibility is no guarantee of success (like the Oslo Accord, for instance). |
Posted By: rednekk98
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 8:10pm
| I say Canada should go for it, thery're a bit more neutral on the whole thing and might have a bit more influence with the Palistinians than we would, being considered the great Satan and all in that part of the world. However, Canada might not have as much sway over the Isrealis, considering that we have enough trouble getting them to stop settlements and blasting the crap out of stuff with the weapons we sell them. I get what barrett man is saying, considering I actually read the entire thread and not just the title. Seriously, I like how you can read a sentance or two of the post by holding your curser over the title now, but even before we had that enough people just read the title and responded without reading the post, causing people to respond to their post and get really off topic, but the summary thing has made this worse. Eh, I'll quit **edited**ing because I'd rather not have the forum set up to suit the lowest common denominator... |
Posted By: munky!
Date Posted: 28 November 2004 at 8:31pm
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canadaians are generaly oposed with the whole middle east thing, were busy cleaning up the mess in afganistan. and going to war with a contry without a really good cause would be very dificult due to the way our political system is set up this term, there might be a vote of no confidance in the next few months but wel see.
for those of you that dont no anything about our political system... we vote and give political partys seats, each seat has a vote, right now its a liberal minority, meaning that liberals have the most seats, but no the majority so they have to convince the other partys to voting for what they want, a vote of no confidance would be a re vote. ------------- Forumers ageinst stuff that sucks |