Do you like Bush?
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Topic: Do you like Bush?
Posted By: .Ryan
Subject: Do you like Bush?
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:05pm
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Please, Please, Please don't turn this into a
bush/kerry/canada/whatever bashing party. I was just wondering exactly
where this this forum stood on Bush because me and a friend who has yet
to post were argueing and he said that there are almost no anti-bush
people here. I almost agreed with him but I wanted to define "almost
no". Personally I'm sorta in the middle with Bush. I hate if economic policy because he is clearly in the hands of big business but I kinda support his forigne policy although he really hasn't done that well in executing it. Again, I don't want this thread to turn to crap so please respect people's opinions. I mean, c'mon this is America, we have a right to our opinions, no matter how stupid they are...  Edit: I just put yes or no so just decide which way you lean, I know some are in the middle like me. -------------  |
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:06pm
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bad idea
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:06pm
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I like mexican cheese mix from Costco . . .
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Posted By: Ilovepaintball1
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:07pm
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No. ABBB! ------------- 
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:07pm
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Now, folks a little political discussion is a good thing, as long as we can keep it civil.
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Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:08pm
| Oh great.... Smells like.... Well yeah I smell some flaming coming soon.... |
Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:08pm
| 100% backing |
Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:09pm
But you and I both know that it won't happen here. I support bush, and like him. ------------- |
.Ryan wrote:Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:10pm
Same ------------- 
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Posted By: Multi-Colored J
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:11pm
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No, and that's all I'm gonna say. ------------- X |
Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:12pm
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I think Raffi would make an excellent president.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:13pm
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What brand? Is it Kirkland? ------------- 
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:15pm
Yes, quite tasty. ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:15pm
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well... i can't say i agree with bush on many things. homosexual rights and his position on stem cell research mainly. The whole homosexual rights thing is totally idiotic. Changing the constitution to stop homosexual marriages is, in my opinion, discrimative and closed minded. i'm in no way homosexual... Straight not narrow! I, being a bio-medical engineering major, am totally for stem cell research. Embryonic stem cells hold so much more potential than the other types of stem cells. The whole ethical issue of it is still there though, but not many people know where we could get many embryonic stem cells. When a couple goes in to get help concieving... the take a bunch of eggs from the woman and fertilize them all at one time. They insert one into the woman and wait to see if it implants itself. if it does, the extra eggs that were fertilized, potential human being according to some, are destroyed. Why not use these cells that are going to be incenerated and study them and help research for possible cures for diseases that threaten millions of people! there are also some other issues too ... but those 2 just irk me. i'd like to have someone that can speak a decent sentence as the president of this country... but thats just me! |
Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:16pm
| I don't like anyone... |
Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:16pm
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I like his foreign policy and economic plan, but I HATE his stance on
social issues such as **edited** marriage, abortion, and stem cell research.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:16pm
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I like a little bit of bush, but too much requires the use of clippers to keep it trim.
**edit**  Newport said it perfect.------------- 
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Posted By: paintballer2584
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:17pm
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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:22pm
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FYI, a biomed engineer is the guy who puts the tools on the trays, and the blankets and medicine, they arent doctors/nurses/surgins)(sp?) Im against homosexual rights, but I guess that comes from my background (because homosexuality is wrong according to the Bible(please don't start a religious debate, im just stating why I'm against it)) I'm for stem cell research with an exception: I think it should be used for making organs to heal the sick, but it CANNOT be used to clone. I am against cloning, and as long as stem cells aren't used for that like they could, I'm for them |
Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:24pm
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total bush here. i cant say that at my school ill get my tail kicked in hard -------------  
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Posted By: Variable
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:29pm
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I have always supported Bush and continue to do so. I don't see
eye to eye with him on everything, but I'm not so naive as to expect a
perfect president.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:49pm
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Bush has his ups and downs. Not the worst pres we've seen, but certainly not the best. I think his fiscal policy is irresponsible and his views of homosexuality medieval, but I very much appreciate his aggressive attack on terrorism (although I wish he would try not to piss off the world so much). |
Posted By: matt06
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:52pm
| which bush are we referring to? |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:07pm
no bud... those are surgical assistants... i'm going to be the guy designing medical devices... such as heart valves etc. stem cells aren't necessary at all for cloning. |
Posted By: dankman
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:10pm
No I don't like Bush.. And procarbinefreak you know that a Biomed engineer is really one of the people who makes food in the hospital kitchens don't you?  ------------- |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:13pm
| haha... so thats what i'm spending 30 grand a year on!... maybe that explains why i'm in Jello making 101 next quarter! |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:22pm
| You're at MSOE, right? How you liking it so far? |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:25pm
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Yeah, his views on homosexuality are quite close minded and verg on a
separation of church and state issue and they really need to stop
holding down stem cell research(this coming from someone who was close
to someone could have lived if he hadn't had to wait on a liver), but I
agree with his standing on abortion. There are too many infertal
couples out there looking for kids, too many ways to give your baby up
without killing it no-questions-asked, and too many people that abuse
abortion as a form of birth control. Not to mention it's barbaric. Did
you know that the number one method is a salt solution that disolves
the baby's skin? ps, Don't let this get us off topic, I just thought I'd share. ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:35pm
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Tell your anti-abortion reasoning to China. What about the couple that cant afford to have a baby and their birth control failed? -------------
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:36pm
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Adoption. But I don't want this to turn into an abortion debate. Oh and as far as population control, I say we just sterilise(sp) all the stupid people. We could like have a test at age 15 and if you fail it say good-bye to the little guys.....lol... ------------- |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:38pm
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Not all children are wanted that are put up for adoption.... Your right, lets stop. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:44pm
| That cuke is making me hot. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:46pm
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Nice size, isnt it? -------------
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Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:52pm
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it's alright... education wise... top notch. social wise... not so well... we're UP to 20% females this year with a good percentage of them being tanks. and their guest policies are crap... but oh well... i don't regret going to MSOE at all though. i'm curious as to if you're from around here?
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:55pm
| I do not like Bush at all. I don't like any of his policies and "bright ideas." |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 11:48pm
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Pro-Bush.
And FYI: The term "separation of church and state" has nothing at all to do with our legal system - it's not in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or any of our other national documents. It's a misinterpretation (I think) of the Constitution, which says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... etc. Meaning Congress will not create a state religion. That's all it means. You can pray in schools, say Merry CHRISTmas, carry Bibles, and unless you have an unusually messed-up community/school/employer/etc, there's nothing that anybody can do about it. That being said, from experience in previous (read: disgusting, vicious, and closed-minded) debates on this, I think I can make a reasonable argument for most of Bush's decisions, and why they're not all evil the way most people point them out to be. And I'm shocked. We've gotten to page two and so far, no ridiculous anti-anybody posts. No flames. No morons making dumb comments (insert a pointed look at everyone who was planning on doing a fake flame after quoting me here). I think you'll find that Bush has more supporters than naysayers. There are plenty of people on this forum who think "Bush = we get guns & guns are almost paintball guns and so Bush = paintball player's rights!" This isn't entirely wrong, but most of these people are the same type of people who screamed that Bush was going for oil in Iraq, or the people who, a few centuries ago, would have gone right along with the Catholic practice of paying "indulgences". Just a warning. Good luck.  ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 12:22am
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seperation of church and state refers to the fact that the government cannot support, endorse, or hinder any religion whatsoever. for instance, its iligle for new york public school busses to buss children to a private catholic school. Or the county of Hilea Florida cannot enact laws or ordinances designed to single out practitioners of santeria
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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 1:21pm
Except that as far as I know, it's not in a law anywhere, unless it's fairly recent (within a few decades). It's an idea based on a misinterpretation of the Constitution. It doesn't say that no section of the government can support any religion, it says that the government will not establish a religion of the state. What's funny is that everyone uses this to take down Christian things (praying in schools, the 10 commandments monument, etc), but if they were Islamic things, nobody would say a word. How do I know this? I know the attitudes and feelings of enough of the staff of my former school to know (partly from experience) that any attempt by a student to support Christianity is frowned on (by other students and the staff), and anything else goes. It's nothing like getting punished, it's just a hostile attitude. I can only imagine that there are plenty of other situations like this all over the country. Separation of church and state is just a phrase that all the anti-religion groups embraced so heavily that it became synonymous with law in many people's minds. Way to support religious equality, USA. And yes, I know I'm being a bit grumpy and religiously zealous this morning. Apologies if anyone's offended. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: Slimz.357
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 1:53pm
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Bush. AdmiralSenn has a good point - separation of Church and State as most people percieve it is much more than the law actually supports. The neo-philosopher wanna-be's use the law to back thier inuendo against the things they hate: mainly Christianity and family values like: "people should have to work for what they recieve". (O.T.) I personally think abortion is a disgusting display of rationalization. To say that a baby isn't a person until it passes through a four inch peice of meat is pure idiocy. ------------- "If you make it idiot proof, they'll make a better idiot." http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=125287&PN=1&TPN=1 - REQUIRED READING |
Posted By: VTpaintballer
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 2:50pm
| i'm going to say ya i do like em |
Posted By: phillll227
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 2:59pm
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I support the president, whoever he might be.
But if I had to pick one, Bush seems like a logical choice. I support most of his agenda. |
Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 3:10pm
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Hell yea I support him
(Mini Limbaugh)
And I think that anyone who hates the pres is a  hole
But that is just my opinion... He had to have done something right to get the most votes in history... ------------- 
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 3:33pm
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My whole decision on choosing this elections President was based on terrorism policy. For my own satisfaction due to my lack of knowledge on domestic economy, I had to come to the conclusion that Dems and Reps are basically one in the same. I was looking for an individual that had a clear agenda and followed through with the agenda which in my mind made Bush a logical choice. Do I like him? Don't know him but he seems to be a man of his word and didn't ride the fence for swing voters. I admired that. I'll let you know when his term is up whether I actually care for him or not.... |
Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 4:04pm
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I don't support stem cell because it doesn't seem right to kill a fetus so someone else can live. It doesn't accomplish anything. Your just saving a life by taking another.
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 4:32pm
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I do not like him. |
Posted By: welcome guest
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 5:01pm
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Topic: Do you like Bush? No! What does Iraq have to do with Sept.11? http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/JUDICIARYlo121201.pdf - http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/JUDICIARYlo121201.pdf G.W.Bush business ethics http://buchananmich.homestead.com/files/BUSH_S_BUSINESS_ETHICS.htm - http://buchananmich.homestead.com/files/BUSH_S_BUSINESS_ETHI CS.htm The Election is over These facts are from fellow Republicans ------------- http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml - http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. 
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Posted By: Travioli
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 5:30pm
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 1:03am
The laws regarding the definition of marriage are decended from custom and religion. The homosexual radicals care less about legalizing marriage than making it irrelevant. As for stem cell research, much good has been done. Adult stem cells, as well as those harvested from umbilical cord blood have shown great promise in the treatment of disease. I have to disagree about embryonic stem cells. To this day embryonic stem cell research has not successfully cured or treated a single patient. To make embryonic stem cells less prone to rejection they must be cloned to match them to the patient being treated. So far the only results have been either outright failure, or mutation. And of course there are the religious views which see harvesting embryos for research as the destroying of one potential life. You don't have to be religious to understand the irony of taking one life to save another. I've never been especially thrilled with President Bush. I don't like his stances on immigration, domestic policy, and his trying to play on both sides of the fence. His foreign policy is aggressive, which I think to be a good thing, we can all see now how corrupt the UN has become. When one thinks about it carefully, it was the UN's actions, or lack thereof, which precluded the war in Iraq. President Bush is hand in hand with the corporations, but in a less direct sense, we all are. Corporate America employs all of us in one way or another, and contrary to Hollywood propoganda, they are not as evil as they would like us to believe. When the American people do well, corporations do well. Americans are the biggest consumers of goods in the world, and the large corporations know that. They'll do what they can to keep it that way. I leave tomorrow to return to Iraq, employed by a corporation, for good money, I might add. I hope to return (with my head still attached) in a couple of months.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 1:16am
Therefore they may not make laws based on one religion's views and ideals. And please don't say "killing and robbing, ect is in the Bible, should we allow that too?" No, because that is practical and not a violation of a group of American's rights. Outlawing **edited** marriage makes about as much since as not allowing women and blacks to vote. Oh and to whoever said it, I'm very not Christian but I believe in family values and "working for what you recieve". I hate it when christians try to push the misconception that there are no morals without religion. But, again, we're being good in this thread and I'd like it not to turn into a big **edited** marriage debate. Thanks to everyone by the way for a good thread 3 pages in. ------------- |
Posted By: procarbinefreak
Date Posted: 05 December 2004 at 3:30am
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i know TRAVELER probably won't read this... but i want to throw it out there... about the stem cell research... see... if they use the fertilized eggs from couples that go in to help getting pregnant, with their concent of course, i don't see how its a bad thing. the "extra" fertilized eggs will be destroyed anyway. why not use them for good. Sure... umbilical stem cells have shown great success and embryonic haven't... thats because the majority of the research is being done on the adult and umbilical kind. I might be wrong, but i don't think embryonic can be used... new ones at least. Embryonic stem cells have the ability to form into any type of tissue and continue to grow A LOT more than the adult stem cells. this is because they haven't divided that much and won't reach the maximum division limit for a long time. Adult stem cells are limited to certain types of tissues and have already been through many divisions. It is my opinion that embryonic stem cells hold so much potential, and if taken from the right, and ethical sources, many new discoveries, cures, what have you, could be found. This is why i'm so excited to get into this field. there are SO many opportunities for this type of research. |