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Topic: bounce
Posted By: f@ll3n 5nip3r
Subject: bounce
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 9:38pm
call me stupid if u want but wut is bounce??

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Posted By: paintballer2584
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:05pm
i think it were you set you gun at like 20 bps and you can only do 19 it will automaticley do an exrta ball for u

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Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:17pm
uhh trigger bounce or something like that

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Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 10:47pm
Bounce is when electrical impulses from the board of the gun think you're pulling the trigger more than you actually are, and thus the gun fires more than you pull the trigger. It can add a whole lot of speed, and is real illegal.

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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 11:03pm

Heh heh, you want to see bounce?

Check out this vid:


http://www.pbvids.com/upload/BouncingShocker.MPG - http://www.pbvids.com/upload/BouncingShocker.MPG



Posted By: poamike
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 11:08pm
it was that 1 movie

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Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 11:15pm
Whoa! That sig is enormous. Tone it down big time or Enos will. ^^^^


Posted By: poamike
Date Posted: 02 December 2004 at 11:16pm
go to hell ENOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I need to read the rules on sig and avatar sizes.


Posted By: ekeboo
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 12:25am
you know i think poamike got high again was that him in the beginning who typed in red??

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Posted By: f@ll3n 5nip3r
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 7:57pm
ok so like E-cockers can bounce too??

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Posted By: Snake6
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 8:06pm

My god. 6 months ago that comment from poamike would have been deleted a long time ago.

bat signal

 



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Posted By: DYING2LIVE
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 9:10pm

Hows everyone doing I aint been here in a long time but I still know my stuff.

Bounce is when your trigger pull is so small that when you touch it, it will just bounce back and forth causing your gun to sorta shoot automatic.

Good Luck



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Posted By: pbdude985
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 9:29pm
yea basically what every one said and that video shows it but it is very illegal especially in tournements

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Posted By: Shadowminion
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 9:55pm
Illegal yes, but fun nonetheless

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Posted By: PB_freak-04
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 9:55pm

What’s an "llegal" paintball marker? One that doesn’t comply with the rules. The hottest equipment issues this season are about electronic markers and when they’re "legal" or "illegal." 

It’s accepted now that markers must operate either in semi-auto or pump mode, nothing else. Any other modes built into the marker must be locked out so a player can’t switch during a game into, say, a burst mode or full-auto. The new ASTM standard for paintball markers is semi-auto only. 

Even in semi-auto mode, though, a marker can be "illegal" when the trigger is so sensitive that it has "trigger bounce"--which makes the marker shoot as if it were in a multi-round mode.

Secret programs in electronic markers can make a semi-auto marker "illegal," too. The program might, for example, let the player seem to have a semi if a ref checks the marker, but when the player activates the program, the marker shifts into a multi-round burst mode.
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Or the secret program might enable the marker to keep shooting steadily at a high rate of speed, while the player does pull the trigger but not at

that steady, or that fast, a rate. 

Another kind of secret program could make a marker’s velocity rise once the player activates the program.

Do you doubt this? Here’s the NPPL.tv posted announcement on "Trigger Rules" before the NPPL Super 7 Commander’s Cup (Nov. 2003):

"To all teams playing in Miami the NPPL will not tolerate illegal markers. Which means markers programmed to shoot more then one paintball per trigger pull or programmed to shoot at higher velocities during the game.

"The NPPL does not allow fully auto paintball markers (Guns).

"Please adhere to the following rules.

"6.31 The definition of a trigger is the moveable lever or button that comes in contact with the finger. The contacts of a switch are not a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle. Markers may fire at any rate of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided that it fires in semi auto or pump mode only, which means that no more than one paintball is discharged during each firing cycle. 

"6.32 Players may use a single, 68 caliber, pump or semi automatic paintball marker, which consists of a single barrel, a single trigger. Double action triggers and paintball markers capable of firing in other than semi auto or pump mode are prohibited. 

"6.33. All markers with any form of external velocity adjusters must be modified in such a way that the velocity adjuster is not readily accessible during the course of the game. Depending upon make or model of the markers, some may require beaver tails and/or tournament caps or may require multiple tournament caps. All regulators require tournament caps such that they cannot be adjusted without a tool with the gun gassed or degassed. 

"6.34. All markers are subject to inspection at any time during and within three days after an NPPL Tournament, provided that the markers are taken for inspection prior to such tournament's completion, and the team of any player found to be using a marker in violation of this Section 6 shall have all points amassed up to the point of such discovery removed, and such team will no longer be allowed to continue to participate in the tournament. Dave Zinkham the NPPL Scrutineer will be on hand, checking all the Paintball markers for trigger bounce and velocity settings. Please do not play with illegal triggers, as the penalties are not worth it. Make sure your markers are legal if you have any questions concerning your trigger please email Dave Zinkham at zinknme@earthlink.net

"Please read Wicked Air Sports announcement on Tournament lock requirements!
During the New Jersey NPPL event, several pro players were not allowed to use their favorite marker because of trigger bounce issues, and were forced to use a backup marker. Players having Equalizer boards were able to dial out all of their trigger bounce and be completely legal. HOWEVER, until now, not having the marker locked (COMPETITION MODE) has not been an issue. In ALL future tournaments, the marker MUST be locked in COMPETITION MODE or it will not be allowed on to the field. It is simply too easy to change the debounce while on the field. http://apg.cfw2.com/assets/images/site/apg/pp0403-2.jpg"> Wicked Air Sportz will be providing templates for various model Intimidators so you can mark and drill a hole in your grip frame, making the Equalink connector (used for the computer interface as well as toggling the tournament) easily available by just removing the grip screws (instead of having to remove the entire grip panel). Furthermore each game referees will chrono a minimum of four players from each team on the field during the game. The NPPL is committed to running a safe fair tournament. Please help us by having your equipment set up properly prior to playing."--NPPL Rules Committee 

Players, in all the years paintball has been around, there’s always someone trying to push the limits. Hiding paint under rocks before a limited-paint tournament. Marking trees when walking the fields before a tournament, so you know where to shoot to land paint on a bunker you can’t see. Keeping the regulator or the velocity regulator loose, to chrono on within limits and then turn the velocity up during a game. Adding a CO2 vent to the air system, to vent any liquid buildup before chrono’ing off. Putting orange stickers all over the hopper and barrel, or wearing orange jerseys, when the tournament paint breaks orange--so a ref may miss a hit. 

Some of the limit-pushing isn’t related to safety. Some doesn’t break any rules. 

But where a rule is in place for safety reasons, and people push that rule, whoever is in charge of rules enforcement has to crack down hard. The costs to "police" the rules will get higher as rules-breakers become more clever. Penalties have to be harsh--to deter people from breaking the rules. 

It’s a never-ending struggle: the rules-breakers on one side, the rules-pushers in the gray area, and the rules-enforcers on the other side.

One thing paintball can do, as a sport, is to set aside resources (mainly money) to develop a body of referees who are truly independent, well-trained, and technologically savvy. Another is to create an international data base of players, coupled to ID cards, so when a player is found breaking the rules an entry can be made describing it--for all to read. Whether to ban that player from events or fields can be a decision affected by the player’s penalty history.



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Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 11:43pm
Originally posted by Snake6 Snake6 wrote:

My god. 6 months ago that comment from poamike would have been deleted a long time ago.

bat signal

 



They don't use the bat signal anymore, sorry to dissapoint you.


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Posted By: DrunkDriver
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Heh heh, you want to see bounce?

Check out this vid:


http://www.pbvids.com/upload/BouncingShocker.MPG - http://www.pbvids.com/upload/BouncingShocker.MPG

WO, that kid has a stain on his shirt... I knew something was wrong.



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Posted By: tippmann89c
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Heh heh, you want to see bounce?

Check out this vid:


http://www.pbvids.com/upload/BouncingShocker.MPG - http://www.pbvids.com/upload/BouncingShocker.MPG

lol that house looks exactly like a friend of mines does. only thing missing is the cat hangin out on the cabinet lol.



Posted By: -cockerkilla99-
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 2:12pm

bounce is when 2 or more balls are shot on one pull of the trigger. (semi-auto)

easy said, instend of reading a freaking novel.



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