Backspin producing items
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Topic: Backspin producing items
Posted By: Blue Hopper
Subject: Backspin producing items
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 8:15pm
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I know of three items to produces backspins on paintballs. The flatline barrel of course from tippmann, the hop-up barrel from Armotech, and the karta body for the automag. What I want to know if anyone has used the karta would they please tell me how it works? Is he Hop-up a straight barrel or curved like the flatline and how it works? If anyone has used two or more would they please tell me which one was better? Update: And don't forget the Undertow and Cooper T bolts. So I got 5 now Update: So it turns out the karta was a mistake its called the z body for the automag |
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Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 03 December 2004 at 9:38pm
| The Deadly wind site says nothing about that body kit putting backspin on the ball. Where did you get your info? |
Posted By: DirtyDawg
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 6:53am
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The Hop-Up is made by Armotech, not Ariakon, and it is a straight barrel. There are grooves on along the top of the barrel that allow air to pass creating low pressure. This causes higher pressure at the bottom of the barrel which results in the paintball hugging the top of the barrel, creating backspin. The grooves also provide just the right amount of friction to cause the backspin without sacrificing velocity. ------------- Tippmann 98Custom - Parting out. PM me for parts availability 2k4 BKO Warsensor WS66 RIS Warsensor Zeus G1+ |
Posted By: DirtyDawg
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 6:57am
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Oh, and as of this writing, the Hop-up barrel is only available on the Warsensor line of markers - they are not yet available for individual sale. ------------- Tippmann 98Custom - Parting out. PM me for parts availability 2k4 BKO Warsensor WS66 RIS Warsensor Zeus G1+ |
Posted By: Frobs
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 7:22am
| im sure someone could come up with mods to get those things on... |
Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 1:36pm
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DirtyDawg wrote:Posted By: DirtyDawg
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 2:54pm
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No, it's armotech. The company split. http://www.armotech.us - http://www.armotech.us ------------- Tippmann 98Custom - Parting out. PM me for parts availability 2k4 BKO Warsensor WS66 RIS Warsensor Zeus G1+ |
Posted By: Blue Hopper
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 4:29pm
| thankx, now i need to go find something on the karta |
Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 5:09pm
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Rifled barrels do not work as well as the Flatline. ------------- I need to find smaller pictures for my profile. |
Posted By: DirtyDawg
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 6:09pm
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The hop-up isn't rifled. The grooves are at 11, 12, and 1 o'clock. They run straight the length of the barrel ------------- Tippmann 98Custom - Parting out. PM me for parts availability 2k4 BKO Warsensor WS66 RIS Warsensor Zeus G1+ |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 6:19pm
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Listen to this fella, you can learn from him and he does his homework |
Posted By: UV Halo
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 6:25pm
In my opinion, you're comparing apples and oranges: Flatlines have a better range but, they are more sensitive to the inconsistancies in paintballs than normal or even rifled barrels (which results in inaccuracy). If you've got a good case of paint, you're rockin with accuracy and range. If you don't, you're not. A Rifled Barrel (like Armsons) does not try to increase the range, they try to improve accuracy (in terms of shot to shot consistancy). In my experience, when you get a proper paint match, there is a significant improvement over a smoothbore in terms of accuracy. Inconsistant paint has had a minimal impact on their performance in my experience. However, since there aren't any rifled barrels that can change their bore size to match your paint it's much harder to get that match. ------------- M98C- W/QwkStrpCut Comp Air & Palmer Fatty Stab Gas-Thru Stock Lapco Sight Rail W/ADCO 30MM EDOT Qloader W/ CMS Freak SS W/Stif-Tip * Flatline * Armson Stealth |
Posted By: ItalianoGuy04
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 6:46pm
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flatline owns those barrels! ------------- 
Supe'd up Spyda Victor, don't like it, don't care |
Posted By: Satanicsanta090
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 7:50pm
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the z-body automag has a hop-up thing on it..... Flatline is one DOnt know anything about the armotech thing, but it IS a different company than Ariakon (notice that the sites have different pistols) ------------- Setup: Tippmann98c Silver Vein powdercoat Palmer's male stab Ported elbow Double trigger with stop Lapco bigshot Trigger slop mod ricochet ak |
Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 8:02pm
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Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 8:06pm
| wait nevermind, those are different. but on other websites a while ago ive seen armotech links in the gun section and i would see guns like the SIM4 and SIM5, but now those are the ariakon guns and the armotech ones are now different, there the wgs w/e guns......ok im confused |
Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 8:12pm
| AH HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have found the answer. it is ariakon, because armotech does not exist anymore. go to http://www.ariakon.com - www.ariakon.com and at the top of the web page it says "formily armotech" so there. uh ok im glad that confusion is over. |
Posted By: Redstar
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 8:59pm
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armotech = ariakon ------------- http://img25.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img25&image=mysnowboard9md.jpg"> 
----My New 2004 M3 Discord Snowboard! ---- |
Posted By: DirtyDawg
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 9:16pm
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Found on the armotech.us forum: "SPEED PAINTBALL CO., LTD., THE MANUFACTURER OF THE ZEUS, MARS AND WG PRODUCT LINES AND TRIANGLE SYSTEMS, INC., THE MANUFACTURER OF THE S.I.M.4 AND TORO PRODUCT LINES, HAVE SETTLED ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING LITIGATION BETWEEN THEM. THE SETTLEMENT PROVIDES FOR TRIANGLE SYSTEMS, INC.’S ASSIGNMENT OF ANY RIGHT, TITLE AND/OR OWNERSHIP INTEREST TRIANGLE SYSTEMS, INC. HAS OR MAY HAVE HAD IN THE "ARMOTECH", "ZEUS", "MARS" AND "WG" TRADEMARKS TO SPEED PAINTBALL CO., LTD. TRIANGLE SYSTEMS, INC. HAS BEEN GRANTED A LICENSE BY SPEED PAINTBALL CO., LTD. TO USE AND SELL PRODUCTS UNDER THE ARMOTECH TRADEMARK FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME." Armotech is not Ariakon. ------------- Tippmann 98Custom - Parting out. PM me for parts availability 2k4 BKO Warsensor WS66 RIS Warsensor Zeus G1+ |
Posted By: DirtyDawg
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 9:21pm
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That phrase also appears in the Armotech ad on page 178 of the December 04 issue of APG. The Ariakon ad that runs on pages 160-165 in the same issue does not have any mention of the settled litigation. ------------- Tippmann 98Custom - Parting out. PM me for parts availability 2k4 BKO Warsensor WS66 RIS Warsensor Zeus G1+ |
Posted By: DRAGON
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 9:58pm
You can add another to your list, it's called the Undertow bolt - |
Posted By: Betterdays
Date Posted: 04 December 2004 at 10:31pm
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Regarding Ariakon/Armotech: There was a legal dispute between two companies over which one had the rights to use the name Armotech. As part of the settlement one had to change its name. The one that changed was the maker of the "SIM" series. It's now called Ariakon. Look http://www.ariakon.com - here The other Armotech retained the name and is still selling the traditional Armotech line (WG series, Zeus pistols, etc). It's also the maker of the hop-up barrel. Look http://www.armotech.us - here |
Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 05 December 2004 at 12:31am
| ooooooooooooo so ariakon was part of armotech but then it broke off and made a new company. i c. thanks for clearing that up. |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 05 December 2004 at 10:42am
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Yeah I was going to mention the Undertow but I'm not sure if Imperial is still producing them. I have an extra Evil bolt that I plan on modifying into an Undertow style bolt. |
Posted By: LastLine07
Date Posted: 05 December 2004 at 2:19pm
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No, Ariakon took Armotechs name and renamed the guns. which is illegal, therefore they had to change their company name. They original site for Ariakon was http://www.Armotech.COM - WWW.Armotech.COM . The real armotech site is either http://www.Armotech.net - WWW.Armotech.net , or http://www.Armotech.us - WWW.Armotech.us . The .us is the distributing website for the US. where as the .net is just the informational website. My friend is an armotech fanatic. some amazing guns they have, just real expensive. ------------- Shoot first ask questions later |
Posted By: Blue Hopper
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 4:29pm
| Ok is there anything else that I don't know. But thanks to all yall |
Posted By: chettacheez
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 5:51pm
| Cant forget the Cooper-T bolts. |
Posted By: Ariakon_Eagle
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 7:29pm
WRONG. Ariakon was part of armotech, then they made there own models under the armotech. Then they broke off. Sim-4 and the WG-65 are 2 totally different markers. Different internals and different parts. They just happen too look extremely similar when you arent looking at the design of the guns. Know what your saying before you say it. ------------- You call the Eagle, Eagle does the rest. |
Posted By: Blue Hopper
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 8:14pm
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Jeez when I first heared about the Flatline I was thinking wow thats the coolest thing I've seen. Now I have five things. That was the whole reason that I bought a TIppmann. |
