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Topic: hand guns
Posted By: 98 nitro
Subject: hand guns
Date Posted: 05 December 2004 at 11:38pm
if dont think i should buy a pistol then please explain y b/c i cant think of any reasons not to thanx

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Posted By: warmonger83
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 12:06am
the reason i dont think you should get a pistol is that they are largely useless in normal play. think about it, compaired to a normal marker, a pistol is inacurate, doesnt hold that many shots, and needs co2 changes too often. if you are looking for a backup gun, you might as well buy another 98

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Posted By: Robert_Hawker
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 12:29am
i used my zeus allmost exclusivly at night be i will just say i was short on cash......

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Posted By: Juno Trevan
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 2:57pm
Pistols are fun just because they're pistols. I'm a big advocate of the out of the ordinary armory.

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Posted By: LiLTippmann Kid
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 5:07pm

Well said WARMONGER83

I would save money for my Tippmann. Pistols are good in weight and size, but they are inaccurate (as said above), useless (as said above) only holds about 10 shots!!, needs a Co2 change way too often. are you looking for a backup gun? Well if u r, then get a gun besides a hand gun!!!!



Posted By: Blue Hopper
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 8:40pm

zeus



Posted By: AdraiVII
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 9:51pm

If you really need more accessories for your 98 Custom I would say do that first, because what's a backup sidearm without a decent primary gun?

However, if you want to go the other route, get a PGP. Forget the PTXtreme! Forget the Delta .68! The PGP will save you much more $$ and fustration. Plus, the PGP is more accurate and durable.

On the other hand, if you absolutely NEED a semi pistol, get the Zeus G2+! It costs around $125 but it is worth every cent. Whatever you decide to do, DO NOT settle for the PTXtreme or Delta .68!

Most importantly, I hope you make the right decision that you will later on benefit from! Happy 'ballin!



Posted By: Ariakon_Eagle
Date Posted: 06 December 2004 at 10:04pm
Get the ACP by ariakon. Since all the ariakon markers are great, why should this be any different. Go to their website http://www.ariakon.com - www.ariakon.com and check it out for yourself.

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Posted By: Juno Trevan
Date Posted: 07 December 2004 at 2:38pm
Ya'll are too harsh on these guns. You have to understand that while many things are not good for tournament play, there is a much wider world of paintball out there. Think scenarios for example. There are many many people who enjoy having these guns just to have them, and many many people actually use them in the field too. There is a crowd that appreciates some older designs.

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Posted By: plasoccri
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 1:12am
A couple of my buddies carry pistols. Innacuarate at long range sure, but just fine short range. And those things have saved their butts several times. Go for it. I reccomend a Zeus. Thats what they carry. 

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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 11:42am
Get a PGP, or if you can find on, a PSC

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Posted By: Slimz.357
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 12:01pm
PGP or the New zues, but finish upgrading your 98 first.

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Posted By: reincarnation14
Date Posted: 10 December 2004 at 10:39pm
You dont need any more upgrades for your 98 how much have you spent on it allready. No im bein serios this time i dont think you need a pistol that bad, but you 98 allready has enough bad stuff on it

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Posted By: Blue Hopper
Date Posted: 11 December 2004 at 9:15pm
Don't call a paintball pistol a hand gun


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 12 December 2004 at 10:56pm

Had a Sidekick Semi-sent it back due to velocity variation problems.

Had a PT Extreme-modified the heck out of it (replaced mainspring, fixed valve, made own ball detent, added aftermarket barrel, upgraded sights, fixed valve again, added dual 12g system, fixed valve another time, modified velocity adjuster, modified magazine, fixed valve one more time) then I sold it.

Lessons learned:  (Keep in mind these are only my personal opinions based on my experience.)

I really didn't need a pistol.  That said, I will get another one eventually just for the fun of it.  When I first got it my plan was it would be for close range surprises.  I used to crawl a lot on the field to get eliminations.  (Sneak in close, fire one shot per elimination, then leave.)  While doing this I encountered several situations where a pistol would have been handy.  Usually these were situations where members of the other team passed near me, but not in my field of fire, due to a combination of factors such as marker length and the cover/concealment I was using.  In these situations I thought it would be handy to have a pistol that I could just snake out of the holster and fire easily in any direction if necessary.  Once I bought the PT this opportunity never presented itself again.  (Murphy's law probably has something to do with that.)  I did use the pistol by itself for three separate games.  I did fairly well twice and ended up being chased around a large bush by a little kid while I was trying to reload the other time.  He did eliminate me on the fifth or sixth lap by the way, but it was still fun.

I recommend a pistol with an enclosed CO2 chamber and an O-ring equipped cap.  If the 12 gram doesn't seat correctly, the chamber should still hold pressure.  Additionally, I wasted a lot of 12 grams because of my adjustable quick release on the PT.  12 grams come in slightly different sizes and you don't always realize that one won't fit until after you've pierced it.  Also the "adjustable" part of the quick release didn't stay adjusted where I wanted it and caused me to waste 12 grams. 

I recommend a removable barrel, but only because they are easier to clean.

I do not recommend an aftermarket barrel.  I considered my PT to be only for emergency use at close range when I bought it.  The after market barrel I bought for it was unimpressive and upon reflection I did not need it.

When I get another pistol, the only upgrade I will consider will be handgrips.  If it is an emergency (which is what it would be purchased for) I sure as heck don't want to drop it when I need it most.

Make sure the sights don't interfere with quickly getting it out of the holster.  (The stock PT front sight was bad for this.  It was also higher than the rear sight which meant when the sights were properly aligned on target I was shooting the ground.)

Practice with it; and I don't just mean standing target practice.  I recommend not using the sights at all.  Shoot the pistol enough that you can just point and pull the trigger and the paint breaks where you want.  Practice drawing from every conceivable position (standing, kneeling, crawling, etc) and shooting in every possible direction until you can draw and hit any target within 15 feet without even having to think about it.  I suggest practicing from all positions so you have a chance in worst case scenarios.  I picked 15 feet for two reasons; because the tactical pistol instruction I went through identified that as the average range for most pistol encounters and also because as others have mentioned, most paintball pistols are not all that accurate.

One last thought.  In the cover I usually chose to play in, opponents beyond 15-20 feet aren't likely to notice me.  I would be ready with the pistol if I couldn't get my 98 on target without attracting attention, but I wouldn't fire unless I had to.  It's better to let your target get a little farther away, then get a better position on them with the 200 rounds available in your primary marker.

Oh yeah.  Have fun.



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Posted By: Laquesha Iekwa
Date Posted: 15 December 2004 at 2:01pm
im not all that serious a player and im fine just gettin stuff for my 98, i dont really need a pistol

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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 15 December 2004 at 7:18pm
I love my Palmer Squall!! It has been the best marker I have ever purchased. It is a pistol size version of the Typhoon. Here is a pic of my Squall



It is expensive, $640, but has the same range as my cocker, with better accuracy. Like the Typhoon and the Autococker it uses a automated cocking system to fire from a closed bolt position then cycle another ball into the chamber. Palmers also makes the Pug which is a pump pistol, it's kinda like a PGP on steroids. It runs for like $350.

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Posted By: vonfeldt7
Date Posted: 15 December 2004 at 10:15pm

Originally posted by warmonger83 warmonger83 wrote:

the reason i dont think you should get a pistol is that they are largely useless in normal play. think about it, compaired to a normal marker, a pistol is inacurate, doesnt hold that many shots, and needs co2 changes too often. if you are looking for a backup gun, you might as well buy another 98

agreed, except u should get more stuff for ur 98, not get a new 1



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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 22 December 2004 at 12:33pm
I will have to disagree with you, if you haven't actually played with a pistol then you have no room to make a judgement on pistol play. I effectively use my Squall as my main gun all the time and have a blast. It is like using a stock class pump in a way, due to the fact of using 10rnds and 12grms, except with a semi. It is especailly effective if you have a good pistol like the Squall, the Pug, or a PGP.

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Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 22 December 2004 at 5:38pm
i would just save for upgrades on the 98. but if you insist on buying a pistol the zues from armotech are the best


Posted By: stanley2
Date Posted: 22 December 2004 at 6:54pm
I love my Zeus G1, it is very acurate, will get 20+ shots per 15gr co2.

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Posted By: shiftykyle101
Date Posted: 22 December 2004 at 6:57pm
how many shots does that squal hold?


Posted By: stanley2
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 9:52am

It holds 10balls, so you get to shoot 2 loads per co2 cartridge, I usually use it as a backup, but have played with it as main, you have to make every shot count, it is great to see peoples faces when you mark them in one shot!!



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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 9:57am
u shouldnt get a pistol bcuz backup guns in play are useless. if you need more paint or air just get a viewloader belt or something the kind that holds bothc paint tubes as well as air canisters

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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 11:00am
Well you can actually fit 1 into the breach plus 11 in the clip if you want without probs. If you don't want to run 12 grms all the time you can have PPS mount a bottomline or a rear bottle adapter and you can use a 3.5 oz tank. Which gets you about 300 shots maybe a few more.

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Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 2:34pm
if you are like me and dont have alot of money to buy teh squall you get the Armotech Zeus!!!!

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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by Juno Trevan Juno Trevan wrote:

Ya'll are too harsh on these guns. You have to understand that while many things are not good for tournament play, there is a much wider world of paintball out there. Think scenarios for example. There are many many people who enjoy having these guns just to have them, and many many people actually use them in the field too. There is a crowd that appreciates some older designs.

ther not guns ther markers

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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 12:20am
well "marker" is the P.C. word for an air powered gun that shoots a gelatin projectile that is filled with a glycol based paint, to tag, mark or show a non-lethal kill on your opponent. Because the game of paintball has started going mainstream, things have changed and to be accepted we have had to become politically correct. Ok that is my little rant.

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Posted By: Vassili Zaitzev
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 1:24am
ok here it is.. u shoudl spend ur money on upgrading ur tippmann.. pistols are practically useless when going against players with autocokers or intimidators or even tippmanns.. i have 2 freinds that both bought the delt .68 , after one year of play with it.. my one friends delta .68 had broken a seal or somthing inside the pistol.. he however has an excuse for getting a pistol ( he owns a phantom and needs the pistol for close combat). my other frinds pistol isnt doing to well either. aire leaks, balls break.. and he doesnt use it much because hes got an electric gun.. on the other hand the delta .68s look super cool especially when the paintball clip is taken off (looks almost like a desert eagle.. the right size as one too ) but it just isnt worth it.. best to take the 150 or 200 dollars and put it on ur 98.. much more worth it.. im glad i didnt buy a pistol. well hope that tells u alittle bit

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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 5:16pm
Vassili Zaitzev like I posted earlier, if you have not yourself played with a pistol you can't make a real opinion cause you have no experience in both areas of play. It is all preference.


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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 25 December 2004 at 2:04am

I'm getting either a Delta .68 for Christmas, or, if not, I'll buy the new Ariakon pistol. I've played in maps where a pistol would be much more convenient than a flatlined, stocked 98. I can fight with a weapon that size in any terrain in a pinch, but my local field, for instance, has a maze with 8 foot walls where something as small and versatile as a pistol is a big benefit... Plus there's a lot of intimidation value in carrying a sidearm. ;)



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Posted By: Vassili Zaitzev
Date Posted: 25 December 2004 at 2:53am
mobius... i know i dont use them all the time.. but i have played with them.. my a5 waws acting up so jared (myfriend) gave me his phantom and his pistol, i got into a spot where all i got to use was the pistol and let me tell u .. anything beyond maybe 40feet + .. very inacurate.  but my friends own them and they tell me.. there are two different side to it.. if u have the money and u really think that  a pistol as a backup over ur tippmann will work then by all means go for it.. but i persoanlly and my one friend wish he never got it.. although it is nice to have pistol wars.. those are fun i must say.. but me PERSONALLY.. i wouldnt get one

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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 28 December 2004 at 12:37pm
Vassili the accuracy of the spyder clone pistols maybe questionable. Though a pistol like my Squall which is a Typhoon but with a 12 gram quick change built into the gun is every bit as efffective. It has a the same range and better accuracy than my cocker, just like a standard Typhoon does. There are other pistols out there that are like that also, like the Pug and PGP. Don't believe me email Glenn Palmer or Craig Palmer yourself they will and can back that up. Or go to the POG forum and and ask any Squall owner there. I also have a Delta .68 and you are correct it's range and velocity are are and questionable. That is why I have a Squall, because it is a modified and shortened version of the Typhoon. I have no problem playing stock class style against other players sporting tippmanns, cockers, spyders, or electros. Especially when my buddy and I play together and he is using his stock class phantom. Because our gear is so light we can move swiftly, stealthily, and easily. This allows us to out manuever and out flank our opponents. It is very effective. If you are ever in MI near Detroit let us know and we can show you how to play stock class style. You will learn a lot.    

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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:05am
Gotta love PPS Brass

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Posted By: Eyeball98c
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:26pm
this post is like...a year old. lol

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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 10:51am
nah, just about 2 months old


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Posted By: Liquid3
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 1:52pm
 Mobius, since when is a squall considered a pistol? Where I come from your squall is considered a stock class pump, not a pistol at all. I'm not banging on you just don't make apple and orange comparisons. Your gun is in the same class as a Phantom and they are'nt pistols.


Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 6:49pm
Yes they are pistols, it is a semi-auto pistol, based off the typhoon platform. The Pug on the otherhand is a stock class pump.

this is my Squall, please tell me where you see a pump handle. Looks like to me there is a ram there, if I showed you the other side you would see a rock reg., and if I took the grips off the pistol you would see a quickswitch 3-way.

http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=squall006small3up.jpg">

If you go to the Palmer website and look under Typhoons you will see the Squall. If you look under Pumps you won't see a Squall but you will see the Pug. I have provided the link for you.

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com - Palmer Pursuit Shop

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Posted By: Liquid3
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 10:43pm
Sorry, you are right. Thanks for the link and the education. The one I shot must have been a houndstooth.  


Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 9:40am
Liquid3, no problem and your welcome. Palmer products are very well respected in the paintball world, but not a whole lot of people actually now what Palmer has to offer.


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Posted By: AceofSpaids3KEN
Date Posted: 22 January 2005 at 6:53pm

Get a FLATLINE!!!!!!!!!!!

                     At first I didn't think it would be worth it but it has made it 100% more accurate and it has twice the range



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Posted By: A-5guy
Date Posted: 23 January 2005 at 1:38pm
there very pricey for a gun that doesnt work very well and you cant use it all the time


Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 24 January 2005 at 2:00pm
A-5guy what gun are you talking about?

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Posted By: roadrunner0535
Date Posted: 24 January 2005 at 2:56pm
zues 2 with the full tactical kit and u will kick ass

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Posted By: MagnumForce
Date Posted: 24 January 2005 at 3:35pm
I dont think you should buy a pistol. It is absolutely useless in games. From what i have heard on the forums and players at fields they are inacurate. Most of the them run on small Co2 cartriges which you have to change about every 15-20 shots. Thety also dont hold many rounds at all. So personally i think you are wasting good upgrading money.

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Posted By: mobius_1
Date Posted: 24 January 2005 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by mobius_1 mobius_1 wrote:

I love my Palmer Squall!! It has been the best marker I have ever purchased. It is a pistol size version of the Typhoon. Here is a pic of my Squall



It is expensive, $640, but has the same range as my cocker, with better accuracy. Like the Typhoon and the Autococker it uses a automated cocking system to fire from a closed bolt position then cycle another ball into the chamber. Palmers also makes the Pug which is a pump pistol, it's kinda like a PGP on steroids. It runs for like $350.


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Posted By: Mori Heru
Date Posted: 20 January 2006 at 11:05pm
well. i could have used one and taken out many people before, but, for the cost, you chould get another 98 or somethin.

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Posted By: Styro Folme
Date Posted: 21 January 2006 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by mobius_1 mobius_1 wrote:

  I love my Palmer Squall!! It has been the best marker I have ever purchased. It is a pistol size version of the Typhoon. Here is a pic of my Squall 



It is expensive, $640, but has the same range as my cocker, with better accuracy. Like the Typhoon and the Autococker it uses a automated cocking system to fire from a closed bolt position then cycle another ball into the chamber. Palmers also makes the Pug which is a pump pistol, it's kinda like a PGP on steroids. It runs for like $350.
all paintball markers with a straight barrel have the same range.  Also, get a PGP.  If i hadn't bought a PGP, i would have never discovered stock class, therefore, i would have never bought my phantom, therefore, i would have never earned the rep i have now, therefore, i wouldn't be the same person i am today.  Also, if you buy the newest model, you have to do a slight mod to it.  take  an eraser off of a pencil and superglue it to the front of the bolt.  you might have to cut it down a little, but it's very simple and inexpensive.  If you don't do this, you might chop.  Hope i helped.  I wouldn't buy a pistol other than a PGP.

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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 22 January 2006 at 12:19am
Originally posted by Mori Heru Mori Heru wrote:

well. i could have used one and taken out many people before, but, for the cost, you chould get another 98 or somethin.


Holy crap dude. This thread was dead for literally a year. Why did youm revive it?

FEAR THE ZOMBIE PISTOL THREAD! AAAAAUUUUUNNNGH!!!!!


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Posted By: __sneaky__
Date Posted: 22 January 2006 at 3:46am

this isnt an idea!

and you dont need a pistol, if he is far away, use your tippmann; if he is medium range... use your tippmann, but now it gets tricky... if he is close... use your tippmann...



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Posted By: brihard
Date Posted: 22 January 2006 at 4:46am
IT IS A YEAR OLD! Stop posting!

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Posted By: Ash Ketchum
Date Posted: 23 January 2006 at 8:35pm
Get a gold Zeus G2, those are really cool.

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Posted By: duckman_162
Date Posted: 27 January 2006 at 3:40am
dude get a splatmaster! i have 3 and there awesome accurate....no but eberybody wants one lol

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Posted By: maverickjbf32
Date Posted: 29 January 2006 at 7:07pm

I personally have a Pirrana USP Pistol.  I think its great, it has good accuracy and range, and came with a holster package for a little over $100.  Now I haven't tried any other pistols before and I am sure others are good too.




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