Oh God, not again.

I'm not even gonna bother warning you.

Edited. And goodbye.

I'm a speedball sniper.

bat signal

stop coming up with inventive ways to get around filters, cussing dont make you cool. Limster

limster wrote: I believe there is,,, its how u play,, not the gun u play it with,, and that philosophy runs throughout PB

Just because you apply old over used Shakespearean quotes to paintball does not mean philosophy runs though it.

Shakespeare is drama, not philosophy. If you want philosophy go read Arkamedies.

No snipers in paintball.

<<Edited crap>>

limster wrote: oh,,, im so sorry,,, i wouldnt wana disturb all u superior paintballers whos opinions are just automatically right no matter what the fúck u say lol

im with you limester i think its how you play pb.  everyone is so hostile on these forums...if u have under 50 posts you're considered a loser who doesnt know **edited** and you're opinion doesnt matter

Good God.....not another one!!!!

And like what Betterdays jus stated....jus call yerself a milsimer, it sounds a whole lot appropriate....hell I even call myself a milsimer, but "never" a sniper!

LastLine07 wrote: you guys are so petty, sniping is there its just not your idea of sniping. your idea of sniping is what has been assimilated into the military culture. if you put things into proportion here, being a sniper can and is used in paintball. of course shooting from 500 yards is impossible in paintball, however the if you proportion this little equation, youd see that anyone that plays back and picks off enemies in the front can be classified as a sniper. Sniping in paintball is a horse of a different color. just like i mentioned before with the saving private ryan  thing, the sniper wasnt even that far away, but he was a sniper. it is a logical tactic, sniping is a tactic, and is used. trust me my friend does that **edited**, he climbs trees and has taken out an entire squad in 30 seconds cause no one new where the shots were coming from, 2 of the marks were head shots.

Let me no the day your moron firend gets shot out of the tree and breaks himself.  that is pretty damn stupid of him and he is a very lucky person to not have already been nailed and fallen.

... I can not believe you people... one "sniper" topic gets locked and what do you do? make another one.

You people might as well just write a book and keep it tucked away in a dusty corner somewhere because nobody is going to believe you no matter what definition you give them!

So the only ultimatum is to drop the "sniper" subject, and just play the frappin' game!

I'm sorry to be such a , but it gets really sickning to see from 5-10 "sniper" debates a day all arguing about what the word "sniper" means to them. Just be a good sport, and enjoy the game!

P.S. Everybody can go back to livin' thier lives, now

Seriously, just drop it. Did you even bother running a search before you posted this worthless exuse of a thread? I don't mean to attack you man, but you seriously did not think this through too well.

There have been over a dozen of these threads in the last month or so, and this one was sub-par even for a sniper thread. You just started flaming pointlessly like some 9-yr. old 'tard. Listen to evil_fingers and AdraivII, they actually know what they're talking about.
Do a search before you post here again.

Peace.

Homer J wrote: Rico's Revenge wrote: I'm a speedball sniper. Jeremy Salm?

ROTFLMAO!!!   You caught me.

yes, please do a search. this gets real old really fast

whack-a-mole wrote: yes, please do a search. this gets real old really fast

Thats easier said then done, newbies will never search, they will jus start a new thread wit the same subject thats been discussed more times than anything in the world and recieve the same response....and Im sooooooo glad I never asked the "sniper" question!

another sniper post? come on....

snipers in paintball do not exist. just because you go around sneaking and crawling and shooting out of a bush doesn't mean that you're a sniper. As Betterdays said, most people who consider themselves "snipers" are actually just using basic military tactics and don't know any better. Hollywood doesn't portray snipers accurately, remember, they're trying to sell movie tickets. Snipers are most often used as scouts, relaying enemy troop movements back to the larger main force. Also, paintball guns are not accurate enough to be considered "sniper" guns.

Snipers don't exist in paintball. End of Discussion.

Stza Crack wrote: limster wrote: oh,,, im so sorry,,, i wouldnt wana disturb all u superior paintballers whos opinions are just automatically right no matter what the fúck u say lol   im with you limester i think its how you play pb.  everyone is so hostile on these forums...if u have under 50 posts you're considered a loser who doesnt know **edited** and you're opinion doesnt matter

the sad part is, the type of people who bring up stupid and pointless topics like this are the ones with 50 or less posts. It's understandable that everyone is hostile when you see the same stupid topics about snipers and paintball tanks 2 or 3 times a day, sometimes by the same person. If people like you would stop posting senseless crap, we wouldn't have this problem.

Ohhh boy. here we go again.  Okay all of you people who say that sniping doesn't exist, because you are using military definition. If it is not possible to be a paintball sniper, then why do the military use paintball guns when they do scenarios? The snipers use them too. hmmmmm, what does this mean? Think about it! Snipers do exist in paintball. But in truth we should not even be bringing the military definition into this. The military uses real guns, not paintball guns, so it is only natural that paintball snipers cannot shoot farther than regular players. But then again, where to paintball scenarios come from, the military! We play soldier, and have simulated battles, so if there are snipers in the military there are snipers in paintball!

Thats it, no more posting thisthread

i just have to do this

KickAce, that is the funniest damned thing I've seen all month.  Dude, I'm yoinking that for my own record.  That's freakin' hillarious. 

Ahh yes, the "Sniper" thread.  And as usual, Web Dog is kicked into it as "proof".  But I find that most people use the shows in much the same way as a drunkard uses a streetlight, "support" rather than "illumination".

Yes, I made the shows.  Yes, I still believe that "snipers" do not exist in paintball.  I've met military snipers who shake thier heads when they see kids talk about being "snipers".  I do, however, believe there are sneaky SOB's out there who know how to use camo.  I know there are people that take pages from the " http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/23-10/toc.htm - Sniper Field Manual " and can crawl into your shorts if you're lazy.  I know there are people who can make accurate longball shots that everyone else would look at and say "REF!  Chrony that guy!"

The difference is the role, not just the definition.  Paintball players NORMALLY do not do recon.  The do not attack supplies of the other team.  Heck, if I was REALLY playing a sniper position on a team, I'd camp at the field entrance and take people out as they were pulling their barrel socks off.  If they made me stop shutting down the entry point I'd take me efforts to putting paintballs onto people's gear they leave laying around, like bags of paint that I can ruin.

But before all that I'd do research at least a day before hand, possibly get to the field on Friday night for a Sunday game to set up.  My recon of the field of play would include s http://www.terrafly.com/ - at. / overhead photography, and I'd find those angles to YOUR base that you thought were impossible.  You'd NEVER find me, but I'd make it a living hell for your team to get onto the field. 

When you play, you might be "sniping" in the dictionary sense, but you do not do the job of a sniper.  It's like calling myself an eskimo if I wear mucklucks.

I say usually, because there are scenario games.  And I know for a fact that scenario games CAN have "Sniper" roles.  And in that sense, yes you can play the role of a sniper.  But you're still not always a "sniper".  Unless you've spent a few years of your life learning the trade, and you can tell me that you've looked into the eyes of another human being before ending their life at 600+ meters, you're not a sniper.

If you want to call it semantics, go ahead.  Be a sharpshooter, be a sneaky SOB, be "that guy in the camo who keeps plinking the other team off"...  just don't call it being a "Sniper".  Too many career military would like to have a few words over that term being used casually, and I'm inclined to agree.

On a related note, don't ask me what I think of D-Day either.

-Tyger

... and the debate continues... some of you people have theories that rivals the theory of evolution! I'm just sitting behind KaptainKickAce watching you people tear each other apart over the word "sniper"!

So far, my first nominee would go to SR_Crewchief for having one of the most elaborate theories!

Shadow16 wrote: Ohhh boy. here we go again.  Okay all of you people who say that sniping doesn't exist, because you are using military definition. If it is not possible to be a paintball sniper, then why do the military use paintball guns when they do scenarios? The snipers use them too. hmmmmm, what does this mean? Think about it! Snipers do exist in paintball. But in truth we should not even be bringing the military definition into this. The military uses real guns, not paintball guns, so it is only natural that paintball snipers cannot shoot farther than regular players. But then again, where to paintball scenarios come from, the military! We play soldier, and have simulated battles, so if there are snipers in the military there are snipers in paintball! Thats it, no more posting thisthread

umm, they would use paintball guns because they don't want to kill each other in training. not because they can be a paintball sniper.

After this weekend I have to argue two of your reasons why you can't be a Sniper SR.  Firing beyond effective range of your target and doing so without being detected.  I did both this weekend at a scenario game up north.

HOWEVER

It was a very unique position and can ONLY be accomplished during a scenario game (as I have stated time and again).  I was set up as an Anti-Tank rifle.  My marker carried 6 rounds only (so no hopper) but was very long (3' + some).  The rules stated I had to use a different color paint from what the event paint was and that it couldn't be used on infantry...just tanks. During the course of the day I had the opportunity to fire on six different tanks. 

The first time I took a very straight forward approach and didn't try to attack it like a sniper would.  While eliminating the tank I was shot at by the tank crew and had a number of rounds bounce.  So while they could hit me and I could hit them...my rounds were effective...theirs were not...because of range...about 110 feet here (and we were all shooting at 260 fps).

The next tank I didn't get a shot off at because I was eliminated while trying to find a ref to verify the shot when I took it.

The next four however I took the lessons learned from the previous two and played very differently.  In all four sessions I shot and was never seen by my target.  On two of the occasions I shot at beyond effective range of my targets weapons.  In three hours I had five tank kills.

Now...did I call myself a sniper?  Heck no.  Did I play the role of a sniper?  Yes.  I also did recon work using the scope on my marker to pinpoint enemy positions.  On Saturday I moved around the feild and communicated important information to HQ...again the role of a sniper...but never would I consider myself a sniper and tarnish the hard work and dedication that professional military snipers have.  I am not like them and have not earned that title. Also, this situation was unique.  The hard sides of the tank allowed my paint to break.  Had they been regular people, then my effective range would have been the same as theirs.

So...in scenario...yes you can have someone that plays the role of a sniper...but that's the only place.  As has been mentioned...most of the time you are dealing with something that more closely resembles small unit tactics and marksmen.

why dont we just say anyone who is a good shot is a sniper, i mean thats whats it's becoming in paintball. sounds pretty retarded to me

That was the best one yet,^^^Can somone give me the facts, reasons why and why not there are not snipers in painball. In a numbered list, because all this stuff just contradictes the other stuff and so on. Oh, and there are snipers in paintball...

so far: 1. waits long periods of time to take a target down.

            2. is concealled in his enviroment(very well comlaflauged).

             3. is prepared for the next day of sniperizm(by means of recon), or past experience on the feild.

reasons why snipers arne't in paintball.

so far: 1. because in paintball you can't shoot far enough ( meanning that there is a set distance for the shot to count as a sniper shot)."Which is just plane wrong".

           2. only military personal are or have the right to be called a sniper, everyone else is just,.. not... even if they have " a sniper rifle", and can do all the things a sniper can do.

           3. and the classic, "it's just not in painball end of story".

I for one, say "yey" for snipers in painball and the people that say "ney", look at the facts...

Spot1st wrote: That was the best one yet,^^^Can somone give me the facts, reasons why and why not there are not snipers in painball. In a numbered list, because all this stuff just contradictes the other stuff and so on. Oh, and there are snipers in paintball... so far: 1. waits long periods of time to take a target down.             2. is concealled in his enviroment(very well comlaflauged).              3. is prepared for the next day of sniperizm(by means of recon), or past experience on the feild. reasons why snipers arne't in paintball. so far: 1. because in paintball you can't shoot far enough ( meanning that there is a set distance for the shot to count as a sniper shot)."Which is just plane wrong".            2. only military personal are or have the right to be called a sniper, everyone else is just,.. not... even if they have " a sniper rifle", and can do all the things a sniper can do.            3. and the classic, "it's just not in painball end of story". I for one, say "yey" for snipers in painball and the people that say "ney", look at the facts...

here's a few more reasons why snipers AREN'T in paintball, which have been mentioned in this thread already:

1. Paintball guns aren't accurate enough.

2. People who consider themselves "snipers" in paintball are actually just using basic infantry techniques, not actual sniper tactics.

3. Wearing camoflauge and sneaking around doesn't make you a sniper. It just makes you sneaky.

Blackbetty wrote: HAHAH for a thread that noone wanted to talk about, people still have a lot to say about it. I say, do what you want, believe what you want. Respect others for believing it. But for DO whatch out for people using different tactics. just because you say there isnt, doesnt mean people are going to stop being sneaky, cocealed and making balls pitifully touch you from a long distance. Just let people play paintball how they see it fit. There is scenario for people who like the realistic side of things, and speedball for a faster and more physical yet less realistic approach. Who cares. Have fun. Shoot lots of people (even if it is just one at a time). Just generally respect people for what they choose. (unless its your teammated and he's making your side loose lol)

^ thats right....let people think what they want...I dont care...but I kind of like watching the flame fests........so like a said before...or did..well whatever.......

Fatman Lash wrote: Skorpion317 wrote: Spot1st wrote: That was the best one yet,^^^Can somone give me the facts, reasons why and why not there are not snipers in painball. In a numbered list, because all this stuff just contradictes the other stuff and so on. Oh, and there are snipers in paintball... so far: 1. waits long periods of time to take a target down.             2. is concealled in his enviroment(very well comlaflauged).              3. is prepared for the next day of sniperizm(by means of recon), or past experience on the feild. reasons why snipers arne't in paintball. so far: 1. because in paintball you can't shoot far enough ( meanning that there is a set distance for the shot to count as a sniper shot)."Which is just plane wrong".            2. only military personal are or have the right to be called a sniper, everyone else is just,.. not... even if they have " a sniper rifle", and can do all the things a sniper can do.            3. and the classic, "it's just not in painball end of story". I for one, say "yey" for snipers in painball and the people that say "ney", look at the facts...                                        here's a few more reasons why snipers AREN'T in paintball, which have been mentioned in this thread already: 1. Paintball guns aren't accurate enough. 2. People who consider themselves "snipers" in paintball are actually just using basic infantry techniques, not actual sniper tactics. 3. Wearing camoflauge and sneaking around doesn't make you a sniper. It just makes you sneaky. Actually, it doesnt matter if the paintballs are accurate enough, if your doing exactly what a sniper in the armed forces are doing, then guess what.............. your sniping. True sniping in real life is alot different from sniping in paintball, but its still the same thing. Yes, wearing camoflauge and using tactical moves doesnt make you a sniper, but wear more than just camo, waiting extended periods of time to take your target out, shooting very few shots, and being as accurate as possible with what gun your using is what a sniper does. Again I say, believe what you want, makes no difference to me. I belive there are snipers in paintball for the simple fact I have taken classes on them were they train your eyes to watch for snipers and how to become a sniper. And majority of the classes tought for this are tought by ex-military snipers. So just because the paints not accurate enough and you think there using infantry techniques doesnt mean theres no such thing as snipers. A true sniper doesnt use infantry techniques, he uses sniper tactics.

you're missing the point here. #1, I said the paintball GUNS are not very accurate. They're nowhere even close to a real-life sniper rifle, even if you have the ultra-super-duper high tech-whatever barrel.

what you wear does not make you a sniper. camo, ghillie suits, etc. etc. do not make you a sniper.

and lastly, people who consider themselves "snipers" in paintball are actually just using basic infantry techniques, not actual sniper tactics. I'd say 90% of the people who think they are a paintball "sniper" don't even know how a true sniper operates.

Spot1st wrote: Pardon my egnorance, but how does a true sniper operate that would set him aside from the infantry?

#1. operates with one other person, his spotter.

#2. operates from OUTSIDE EFFECTIVE RETURN FIRING RANGE. that means the sniper is shooting beyond the enemy's return firing range.

#3. Takes out key high-value targets. In a scenario game, this might work, but in a regular woods game there aren't any real high-value targets.

#4. A sniper is a master of camouflaging himself. I haven't seen any masters of camouflage on the paintball fields. I DO see, however, a lot of standard BDU's, and wannabe snipers with wookie suits.

#5. Acts as a reconnaissance operative, relaying vital information to the larger main force. Again, I don't see a whole lot of this going on.

But... True or False, a paintballsniper or (insert prefered name here) can be classified as a sniper even if he or she doesn't do all or any of these tasks? ex. if the critical target is down and still has to snipe at others to escape would he still not be a " if I dare to say it" sniper. and thank you for the diffenition of a true sniper.

Fatman Lash wrote: ok, so your telling me, that people in Paintball, regardless if they wait long periods of time, shoot very few balls in a wide span of time, uses ghillie and other forms of Camo to blend in with there environment, and may or may not have a spotter, is using infantry skills? Have you ever been to a major scenerio game were they have what fail to believe are snipers? If you have, then you may or may not know that do everyhting a sniper does so long as they know what a sniper is. True there are people who are "wanna be" snipers, but try going to Oklahoma D-Day and playing there. I guarantee you get sniped a few times. Take a sniper course there, first thing they do is ask you to spot snipers set up in the woods line. Very few people spot any of them. Pick up the December issue of APG and read both the article on paintball snipers and the article on D-Day about sniper courses. You may not think there is sniping in Paintball, but im pretty sure thousands disagree with you. Now again I say, nothing wrong with your opinion, but I do add this now. Look at what im saying and dont just see it as what you feel is arrogance. Read it and try to understand what im saying. Cause if you cant then that makes you no better than the common idiot(no offense).

i've never seen anyone act as a spotter for another player, in the military sniper sense.

Waiting for a long time doesn't make you a sniper. You can sit there for a week for all I care, all that means is that you're not moving.

the point that I'm getting at is, everyone who calls themselves a "sniper" views themselves in the military definition of a sniper. This is simply not the case in paintball. it can't be done.

for paintball, why dont you just call them a marksman or a mofo with good aim?

LordJovian wrote: pro-snipers-     It's odd most of you can't spell. It's also funny how you have values of a 13 year old and think "sniper" is the utmost coolest most awesomess thing in the world.

so true, so true.

LordJovian wrote: c) Switzerland-    Must kinda be boring not caring about nothing. It must be so boring that you just had to post something. I really wouldn't like one of you guys coming into the maintenance and tech help forum and replying "I don't know" to a topic posted. So, I don't think "I don't care" makes much of a difference. I can safely assume that everyone who didn't post in this redundant thread probably doesn't really care.

It's not that we don't care, it's just been times so many times that we know it goes nowhere fast.
I have very definite opinions on what a sniper is and is not, and have posted them on numerous occasions, but sometimes it's just more fun to sit back and watch the fireworks.
It's just one of those things that make this forum worth being in.

That said, this particular sniper war is turning out to be pretty good. For the most part, it's been nothing but rational, mature discussion since limster quit posting. Kudos!

As stated in USMC manual https://www.doctrine.quantico.usmc.mil/signpubs/w3153.pdf - MCWP 1-153

101. Defintition

The Scout Sniper is a Marine highly skilled in fieldcraft and marksmanship who deleivers long range precision fire at selected targets from concealed positions.

Before calling yourself a sniper i suggest reading this manual to learn what it really entails.

1 thing.. blah.. Your either a sniper or not. There is such thing as a sniper. As there is such things as paintballs. Unless you all think paintballs dont exist. Maybe paintballs were a bad example, but you get the point.

Why flame "snipers" just as why flame "speedballerz"

Let me break it down for those who like to argue..

1. Catagoies
     A. Speedball-fast paced games, usually consisting of 2 teams on a football sized feild which compete to eliminate the opponent.
     B. Woodsball-slow paced tactical games which 1 team usually makes base, and opposing team does a search and destroy or "ambush" game to eliminate opposing force.
2. Player Types
     A.Speedball Players / Similarities
         -FrontMen /Close Quarters;Rusher...
         -Backmen / Sniper; Support;coverfire...
         -Center Man??.. dont know.. /usually the center man "sniper"
     B.Woodsball Players / Similarities
         -Sniper /Center man "sniper"
         -Close Quarters / Front man; rusher...
         -Support "coverfire"  /Backman; Cover fire...

Seem the same to me.. I dont know.. if you guys cant get that through your gelatin skulls.. then i dont get the point. Yes flames are fun.. but this is pointless...

If you a Woodsballer, then you like to sniper, or be a CQC man ( close quarters combat ) player, and move in and attack for a quick game, to take over a base, etc..

If your a Speedballer, then you like to rush, games on a time limit, and the quicker, the more points.. so you have a rusher or 2 move in quick and set in the center area, while backmen are covering those guys with madd cover fire.., and centers are picken em off..

Am I wrong.. Is there a similarity.. "Ohh we hate the "Snipers" then kick you center man off..

"oooh there is no point of a so called "support" guy, -ok..well fire your backman..

Comon.. you guys talk more "noobishly" (-like that word..) than other new peeps that come here to the forum, expressing how they like to play..

BAMMMMMM War over. hahahahahahhahahahha

Backmen in speedball are not "snipers" as stated in https://www.doctrine.quantico.usmc.mil/signpubs/w3153.pdf - MCWP 1-153  a sniper "delivers long range presision fire." A backman in speedball uses accuracy by volume not precision fire. Therefore your argument is false.

I wish old soldier would post on this thread, he would set you snipers straight. 

Snake...shame on you...you left out this very next section from the manual.

"102. Dual Mission.

The primary mission of a Sniper in combat is to support combat operations by delivering precision fire on selected targets from  concealed positions.  The sniper also has a secondary mission of gathering information for intelligence purposes." 

Now...as for the definition...

"highly skilled in fieldcraft and marksmanship"  As I've always said...you can play the role of a sniper but to BE a sniper takes a LOT of work...hence why I say I may play the role of a sniper and yet am not a sniper.

"long range precision fire"  A relative term.  It does not mention anything about being out of the effective range of your opponent.  Nor does it define "long range".  Long range is a relative concept.  Since we are dealing with Paintball Markers...long range would be firing at the extent of your paintball marker's range where the round still has enough force to break on impact.  Since most firefights in paintball occure around or below the 75 foot mark, I'd say anything over 75 feet would be, in paintball, a long range shot.

It's the word Precision where things get dicey.  A paintball marker is not precise.  I take that back...a paintball is not precise.  The marker has little to do with it.  That said however you can be more precise by using quality paint that isn't dimpled, round, and is of uniform size firing from a well maintained marker with a quality barrel and a regulated air source. It still won't match a real fire arm for accuracy but it is as precise as you will get in paintball.

So based on these two definitions from the U.S.M.C. what I did at the scenario game this weekend was what a sniper does:

"The primary mission of a Sniper in combat is to support combat operations..."  Check.  There were about 30 of my team with me and none had law rockets for anti-tank work.

"...by delivering precision fire on selected targets..."  Check.  I had one miss out of 12 rounds fired...it was a fly away because of a very dimpled round.  The selected targets I were shooting at were Tanks and as per the rules my marker was an anti-tank rifle. 

"...from  concealed positions."  Check.  Each time I moved into a position where neither the tank or its follow on infantry ever spoted me.  I know this because I never once received return fire even after making my shots.

"The sniper also has a secondary mission of gathering information for intelligence purposes."  Check.  I have a 5 watt radio and there wasn't a place on the field where I couldn't be received by my CP. I radioed in information about opposing units positions, enemy tanks, and any other information I could pass along. 

This is why I say only in scenario games dose any kind of "Sniper" role exist...but I have yet to meet someone who I would call a Sniper...who is that dedicated and knows the tradecraft.  I certainly am not one...even if on occasion I do play that role.

Also...there are no snipers in speedball...front, middle, and backmen have a very different role and the game is very different from the "game" a sniper would be involved in. In capture the flag woodsball...maybe...

Robotech: If you would read on in the manual it says that " A Scout-Sniper engages the enemy beyond range of effective return fire." 

Because in paintball there is no way to deliver precision fire at distances beyond the range of effective return fire. Because all paintball markers shoot the same distance, if chronoed correctly.

   Now the next word out of your mouth is going to be "flatline", am I right? Yes the flatline does shoot a longer distance than conventional barrels, but this is where precision comes in. The extra distance added by using flatline is negated by the fact that at that distance accuracy is MARGINAL, there is no way on gods green earth that you can deliver precision fire using marginal accuracy. So you cannot use the extra distance gained by the flatline precisly, so flatline snipers dont work.

   As for "snipers" with conventional barrels, with a conventional barrel you lower your range, but gain accuracy( over the flatline). But in using a conventional barrel you can only shoot the at the normal range of any other paintball marker, about 30 meters. Therefore you cannot"engage the enemy beyond range of effective return fire". So that eliminates "snipers with conventional barrels.

All you "Snipers" are doing is using light infintry tactics, thats all you are, Glorified Light Infintry. Thats it.

Nicely said ^^^ and I agree, upon further research of this topic I find that you are right and I am wrong...

Amen to Fatman Lash! The rest of you people need to realize that to be a sniper is only a state-of-mind!

"One who shoots at other people from a concealed place" is the equivilent of assuming the role as a sniper. There are no technical requirements like some of you people saying that you have to be variable "X" thousand feet away, or that you have to carry the latest and greatest state-of-the-art equipment. No! Anyone and/or anything that utilizes the tactics outlining the definition of "One who shoots at other people from a concealed place", is assumed to be the term "Sniper" according to its definition being "One who shoots at other people from a concealed place". That is my theory.

For example, you could be hide behind a porch, five feet away from the target, shoot them, and still be considered a "Sniper"!

And like Fatman Lash was saying, there is absolutely, under no circumstances, that everyone is going to agree with the next person's theory!

Some like to be called "Sniper", others "Hunter", "Predator", "(Fill In The Blank)", or for the rest of us "I just want to enjoy a great game of paintball no matter what other people are calling themselves"!

DROP THE "SNIPER" SUBJECT, AND JUST PLAY THE GAME!!!

ive learned  that everyone in here is a bunch of noobs.

Snake...read my post again.  I was going against a tank.  I can fire at a tank and have my balls break on it while being at a range where if it hits me, the balls will not break...they'll bounce...therefore being beyond his effective range.  If it can hit me...but not break on me...then it isn't effective.

Again, as I posted before, it is a very SPECIFIC situation.  Realize too that it was set up by the promoter that I could fire different colored paint and have it be considered Anti-Tank rounds but had certain criteria I had to meet for that to be allowed (Very long marker making it hard to manuver, only held 6 rounds, could not be used against infantry, and only carried 30 rounds into the field).  I agree that in most cases people who call themselves snipers are not even close.  You'll also notice that I made it quite clear that I do not consider myself a "sniper"...no way shape or form.

What's that?  My signature?  The idea behind my signature isn't what you think it is.  The idea is that you make your shots count regardless of what you're doing.  My signature goes along the same lines as some of the other posters here...I don't care what you call how I play...I play what I like because I like it. 

As for the Flatline comment...no, that wouldn't have been the next word out of my mouth.  As you say, they are horribly inaccurate at the extended ranges and some even argue at the shorter ranges too. 

limster wrote: grrr,,, being a sniper isnt just about haveing a gun the length of drunkdrivers penis,,,, theres alot more to it then that,, i bet half the people here that say there is no paintball snipers,, have said in other formums that it doesnt matter what gun u have cuz u can always woop everyone,,, so why can't people woop with sniper tactics,, and simultate a miltary situation if they feel like,,

They don't make barrels that big.

snipers rule

And the debate continues!
Best post thus far goes to Fatman Lash, with Jovian's being a close second. (Extra points for Fatman's use of the word "similar"). Worst arguement award goes to Scarsight for triple posting and prooving the point of everyone he was arguing with.
All in all, a good thread. Some very valid points are being made here for both sides.

However, I beleive Fatman has hit the nail on the head. Now pay attention here people because I think this is as close as we're going to get to a solution.

Fatman Lash wrote: "I do not believe im a sniper, I never have tried to be a sniper, yet I believe there is something similar to snipers in paintball."

He said there are things SIMILAR to Snipers in paintball. He didn't say "Snipers don't exist you worthless noobs" and he also didn't say "ur wrong my cousn climbs tres an snpers people from 300mils awy,,,,, hes a sniper".

Military Snipers do not use paintball guns. Thus, by function alone one can see that Paintball Snipers and Military Snipers are not the same thing. There are players who play the role of a Sniper in paintball, just as there are those who play the role of General. This makes them Paintball Snipers, not Military Snipers and the two should not be confused.
Nearly all aspects of a Military Sniper have some form of counterpart in Paintball, hence we can safely use the term Paintball Sniper to describe someone who fufils these roles. However, IT IS CRITICAL to point out the key word in that title: "Paintball". So long as this condition is used, I think the use of the term "Paintball Sniper" can be safely used on this forum.

^ exactly.. we say we are "snipers.." not USMC Sniper, etc.. I dont see why you incinuate(sp) that.. because we just say sniper. THere are sniper photographers.. bet you didnt know that. The ones whom crawl around in nature in ghille suits, taking pictures of animals from touching distances. . Guess you should go to photo heaven and complain that they are no real nature photgraphers tooooooo..

im bored.. so i had to post that..

Changing Subject*
Did you know Accounting in High School is boring.. oh yea.. forgot something....

Slimz Said:

Military Snipers do not use paintball guns. Thus, by function alone one can see that Paintball Snipers and Military Snipers are not the same thing. There are players who play the role of a Sniper in paintball, just as there are those who play the role of General. This makes them Paintball Snipers, not Military Snipers and the two should not be confused.
Nearly all aspects of a Military Sniper have some form of counterpart in Paintball, hence we can safely use the term Paintball Sniper to describe someone who fufils these roles. However, IT IS CRITICAL to point out the key word in that title: "Paintball". So long as this condition is used, I think the use of the term "Paintball Sniper" can be safely used on this forum.

Thank you!!! this is what i was trying to say but i was to tired to figure out a way to say it. I am currently a PAINTBALL sniper, but soon will probably change roles because every game i play i always end up in a situation where i have to break cover and help my team hold the line, because im one of three tactical people on my team, but if you dont believe there are snipers in paintball, come play with me and my friends and tell them that when they eliminate you and you cant do a thing about it