Are protesters un-patriotic?
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Topic: Are protesters un-patriotic?
Posted By: .Ryan
Subject: Are protesters un-patriotic?
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:07pm
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I personally don't agree with what a lot of the protesters out
there are marching for but I still think that dissidence is a very
important part of our culture. If we can't, or wont, stand up for what
we think is right, even if the government disagrees we are betraying
everything this nation was founded on.
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:09pm
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How can you be un-patriotic protesting to defend your views of an
issue? The only people that throw that around are the narrow-minded
fools that cant realize that the point of america is EVERYONE can have
their own views. They stand up for what they believe, if you ask me, theyre MORE patriotic than the flag-waving fools that believe everything the president feeds them. ------------- 
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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:11pm
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You both have a point. I can see how it could be un-pariotic because you are going against your country (in a way)
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Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:15pm
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It depends. If they are protesting a war, then yes. How do you think the soldiers would feel knowing that people back home don't support the things that they are doing and risking for? I'd be ed. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:16pm
| For anyone interested in going, Smitty's bro and I are going to D.C. in March to march. Details will be forthcoming... |
Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:17pm
Are these soldiers not supporting the soldiers? http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/08/rumsfeld.troops/index.html - http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/08/rumsfeld.troops/in dex.html |
Bango wrote:Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:21pm
I was under the impression that soldiers arent paid to feel. Seriously though, if i was over in iraq, id be HAPPY that america is still the same old bitter argumentative place. That means the whole idea is working the way its supposed to. -------------
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:21pm
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Supporting soldiers and supporting the war are two different things.
Just because you don't agree with the war doesn't mean you have to hate
the soldiers. When that crap starts is when it's bad but saying that we
shouldn't be there or whatever isn't. Besides that, those protesters
are trying to get those boys home.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:21pm
I'd feel worse if I were a soldier fighting for democracy and freedom of speech abroad, and people at home had theirs taken away... Protesting isn't just a freedom afforded by democracy - protesting IS democracy. And democracy is protesting. They are one and the same. If we cannot, or "should not" voice our opinion, then we are not a democracy. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:22pm
Seriously though, if i was over in iraq, id be HAPPY that america is still the same old bitter argumentative place. That means the whole idea is working the way its supposed to. [/QUOTE] Exactly! ------------- |
Posted By: Notorious Bob
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:31pm
| No, they're fine. They piss me off anyway though. |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:37pm
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huh?
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Posted By: Ariakon_Eagle
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:41pm
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America was made by protestin. The whole Revolutionary war can be consider one big protest. Boston Tea Party ring any bells. The Declaration Of Independance was protesting. Freedom of speech was made for a reason. Protesting shows that our country really is free. What I dont agree with is the protesters that resort to voilence. That is not the way to go. ------------- You call the Eagle, Eagle does the rest. |
Posted By: Notorious Bob
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:41pm
They arent un patriotic, yet i am annoyed by people like the million mom search group. Yeah im a hypocrite. |
Posted By: Ajreaper
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:50pm
You can protest a war and still support those who have to wage it. |
Posted By: Ariakon_Eagle
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 9:53pm
Good point. The people who protest war a fine.....People who protest the soldiers are stupid little mofos, but I really cant hold anything against them because protesting is what makes this country free. So the people portesting soldiers.....we should put them all into a big room and ignore them. ------------- You call the Eagle, Eagle does the rest. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 10:15pm
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Wasn't it Voltaire that said "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 08 December 2004 at 11:47pm
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Nope, because those who protest wars are fighting their own war back here rather than the war over seas. more power to both sides. ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 12:03am
"I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death to protect your right to say it." yes, it was voltaire. i don't know how consistent he was with that veiwpoint though, he also said that 100 years from his death the only bibles would be for the viewing pleasure of antiquitarian thrill seakers coming to marvel and the strange things people once believed. (not a direct quote) irony of the situation is, his former house was used to print bibles not long after his death. |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 12:58am
nuff said |
Posted By: FoolProofSam
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 11:02am
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I don't care what they do as long as they stay out of my way. ------------- HELL IS ICE 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 11:12am
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I don't think that's hypocritical at all... Acknowledging other people's protests doesn't mean you have to like it. I get seriously annoyed when the Klan is out marching, but I must acknowledge that, in their own special way, they are being Americans and doing what Americans do. |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 11:55am
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Everyone should know my View on this, Tyranical Squabbling conflict
over our new Holy Grail.... (oil if you haven't caught on yet) But if it wasn't for protestors, why would Americans need to be free anyway... like Enos said its our right as Americans to have our own views on things... I think most people would be agianst the War if our President didn't pump the public full of Propaganda.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Slimz.357
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 12:24pm
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^^^ Not quite sure what "propaganda" you are refering to, care to enlighten? Protests are critical for the survival of Democracy. I don't think it's a question of Paitriotism, it's a question of stable governement. Personally, I can't stand most protests, simply becuase I think there are more productive ways of making yourself heard (I also don't like people jumping on bandwagons), but that doesn't make them wrong or unpatriotic. Also, define Patriotism. ------------- "If you make it idiot proof, they'll make a better idiot." http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=125287&PN=1&TPN=1 - REQUIRED READING |
Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 1:35pm
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This is under your own definition of patriotism.
Oh and please don't have an Iraq debate....at least not a flamey one(which is what I see coming) ------------- |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 3:38pm
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I, of course, am with Enos, Clark, and Badsmitty. What distrubs me are the people that voted yes because of "stupid reasons" or that we must in times of war. If the tables were turned, those people disagreeing with the protesters might then become one themselves. |
Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 3:41pm
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I'm with Enosd on this one. America is a country founded on standing up to people and having your own opinion. It's their right to say what they want. Speaking up for their opinion, even if it is stupid in your opinion, makes them more Patriotic. ------------- I need to find smaller pictures for my profile. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 4:25pm
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i dont think its unpatriotic to protest a thing like a war. But i do believe people need to support our men and women that are fighting abroad. "When it comes down to it, patriotism comes down to a matter of dates"- Monsior Clarion. The Count of Monte Cristo ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 4:41pm
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I think they're unpatriotic, but not un-American, if anyone gets what I mean.
Protesting is the American way, like what Enos said. However, simple nationlism-based patriotism is bad. I personally think that on the topic of the war, the protesters are wrong for raising a controversy NOW. The time to protest was beforehand. Pulling out now would only worsen the situation. Even Kerry knew that much. The funny part is the people who sit there and scream 'send our soldiers home', when the US Army is a VOLUNTEER army. Sure there are some people forced into it for monetary reasons or parental pressure, but the soldiers signed up for it... My only real beef with protesters is that they follow the 'squeaky wheel gets the grease' scenario. Nobody's going to stand in the streets with signs insisting that we should stay in Iraq, but have a group of ten say we should pull out and suddenly you have an issue. That's what happened in the election: the majority were content with Bush, even though there was a huge number of Kerry supporters and Bush-bashers (not mutually inclusive) filling the media channels. Let 'em protest, in any case. The founding fathers put that in the constitution for a reason. So, yes to unpatriotic, no to un-American. I'll vote on the third option since it's the closest to what I think. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die. 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 4:44pm
| I'd much rather be American rather than patriotic. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 4:51pm
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There it is in a nutshell. It is your OPINION that it would worsen the situation to pull out. It is (obviously) the OPINION of the protesters that staying will worsen the situation, and that leaving now is the correct course. No issue is ever "settled" - there is always a new course to be chosen. It is never "too late" to protest what you believe to be wrong.
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 09 December 2004 at 5:07pm
| I honestly don't care... |