Intelligent Design and Extraterrestrials
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Topic: Intelligent Design and Extraterrestrials
Posted By: .Ryan
Subject: Intelligent Design and Extraterrestrials
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 8:26pm
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So yeah, me and my friends were sitting in lunch
talkin about stuff. Well, the evolution vs. creationism came up and we
eventually found ourselves talking about the possibility of an
adavanced alien culture playing the part of "God". So I was
thinkin about it and it does make a lot of sense when you start to get
into it. Imagine this: An advanced alien culture with technology beyond what we can think of now decides to embark on the grand experiment. They take some rock in a distant solar system and terraform it. After so long, when the planet becomes inhabitable they plant the seeds of life here. Really there are two possibilities here: 1) they waited a long time untill there was already life here and just engineered us and put us in here, maybe even just our ancestors the Cromagnams(this would explain the missing link) and grew us as a species and influenced our culture for a while untill we were smart enough to handle ourselves somewhat, and even after that from what I've concluded or 2) they threw that first single celled organism in that warm pool and started it all from there. We'll just go on the notion that number one is the case. They engineer us and put us here and influence us to form the great cultures of the world and discipline us by making religions so that we would live in a (somewhat)civilized way and they could set the ground rules, give us certain technologies, and help us along our way untill we get too smart for that and they have to back off. This theory makes sinse too if you look at all the major cultures and religions of the world. I mean, they are all obsessed with the sky. They all rely on the fact that an entity from the sky made us. They all have stories that can be interpreted into UFO encounters. The list goes on. Also, it would explain the fact that there are stange similarities in cultures from very different parts of the world. Think about the fact that there are pyramids in all sections of the world,from mexico to egypt to china. And there are other things too. The bow, the wheel, ect. It just doesn't add up that different cultures from different continents would have these similarities without some sort of common link. Anyway, I just thought this was a cool theory, I know I didn't make it up but I've been thinking about it and thought I'd get you guy's opinions. Oh and btw, I'm not gonna get into religious bickering and opinion arguing like I did in that one thread. It gets boring after a while and it ends up becoming a flame fest most of the time. So please none of that. Anyway, cool theory in my opinion, whatchu think?(lol) -------------  |
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Posted By: Juggernaut
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 8:27pm
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That's what you're talking about at lunch?
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Posted By: Glassjaw
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 8:30pm
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On the topic of the wheel, the most believably way they built the
pyramids was they used a quarter of a wheel..yet we found no evidence
of one. If they can build pyramids (assuming they did) they would
have enough common sense to put 2 and 2 together.
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Posted By: ThEeViLcHiCkEn
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 8:40pm
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that does make sense, kinda. But we are getting smarter and smarter,
they would have started us over by now. I dont think were some alien
test tube babies. If i see an alien, on tv or something on the history
channel, i get freaked. I hate pics of aliens. Freak the crap right
outa me. If i saw a movie, id go into shock and if i saw one, id die,
right there just die.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 8:50pm
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thats just our pop culture version of aliens......they could look like
anything...they could look like us....crap they could look like little
kittens...who knows?
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Posted By: I <3 my A5
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 8:53pm
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Posted By: ThEeViLcHiCkEn
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 8:57pm
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^^^ not scary, im a video game junkie.
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Posted By: Juggernaut
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 9:03pm
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Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 9:06pm
| Wow. You people are nerds... |
Posted By: Juggernaut
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 9:06pm
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Posted By: ThEeViLcHiCkEn
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 9:06pm
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wow....that picture really did freak me out.
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Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 16 December 2004 at 9:22pm
You see a nerd, I see an intellectual person who likes to talk about deeper things than video games and sports and what someone said to someone else.....different strokes I guess..... ------------- |
Trogdor2 wrote:Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 12:59am
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well, first and formost, cromagnon man, is dated at 30,000 years old. however, "modern man" (homo sapiens sapiens) was around before then.
there is also not just 1 missing link, there are millions of them. just to nit pick, it wouldn't be terraforming, as earth is terra and to terraform earth would be to leave it exactly as it was. as for the similarities between cultures, i agree, i believe all cultures sprouted from a single culture on the pangea supercontinent. as for the sky, while many cultures to atribute those things to the sky, i wouldn't say all of them do. |
Posted By: chs61224
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 7:17am
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It just doesn't add up that different cultures from different continents would have these similarities without some sort of common link.
Why not, if one ancient cultures creates something revolutionary or grand, such as a pyramid, don't you think that another culture equally advanced would somewhere along their timeline create something similar. Consider a child's behavior, when a child is very young they are very curious, then they go through stages where they become demanding, the transformation goes on. If we look at the behvioural cycle of a human and see that generally every goes through the same stage in their life, then it is not too far fethced to make the statement that creation and science also evolves the same way throughout cultures. ------------- All about the Snow. |
Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 7:19am
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Did you not read my thread?
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 7:27am
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lol - yeah, it would be martiaforming or something... :) But this theory really raises the issue of what constitutes a "god." Most religions, until quite recently, didn't really have the allpowerful god, but simply had "very powerful" gods (think Greek gods etc.). The aliens = gods theory would be perfectly consistent with any of these religions. To make this theory consistent with allpowerful-god religions, however, some squinting is required. Have you read Heinlein's Job? Somewhat relevant on the subject. |
Posted By: the_blade
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 8:08am
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one of the newest theorys on the first celled organisism acctually starts off with dna.. said that certain gases when heated form fats proteins ect... and has acctually been tested and proven. All those combined to create the four amino acids to create the first strand of dna that is the latest theory of how it all started. ------------- 95 base neon 3.0 cai, knifedged crankshaft 60 mill throttle body,14 crane cam crane springs/retainers eagle rods port matched/ polished intake p&p head shaved .015 phantom grip diff dohc exuast |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 8:11am
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Ive never seen the idea of extraterrestrial life as any creationism vs evolution debate. Think of it this way from the christian side. God creates us, god screws around and jesus comes and all that stuff, then god leaves. What has god been up to? If we are truly made in his image, wouldnt he be bored? Or at least have the desire to go "try again" somewhere else? If he created us for whatever reasons, wouldnt it make sense that he would make some other people somewhere else? Now think of it this way from the evolutionist side. The universe is INFINITE. We have no idea how big it is, how many stars and planets and nebula and other cool stuff there really is out there. Logically if the universe is infinite, then the probability of there being other life somewhere in the universe is ALSO infinite. Even if the universe has some limit that we cant even comprehend theres still bazillions of stars and planets and all that good stuff, so the probability of life somewhere else should easily be very VERY great. The insane idea some people have of believing that humans are the ONLY life in the entire universe is just plain and simple arrogance. Maybe they should look back in history and read about when arrogant people believed other insane things like how the entire universe revolves around us. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slimz.357
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 8:29am
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^^^ Very true. The idea that our ancestors worshiped aliens instead of a god is not true, though. Because if you think about, God is an E.T. Extra Terrestrial - Not of this earth. I'd say God fits that description pretty well - An all powerful being that is not from this planet. Interesting theory, though. Edit: P.s.
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Posted By: kiolia
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 9:07am
Interesting subject to talk about, but if you're using the ET idea to explain away issues with how life may have started, don't forget that even if it were artifically begun on Earth it would have had to start naturally somewhere else.
amino acids have been created in laboratory settings using specific chemical starting conditions and electricity using what has been assumed would have been chemicals present on early earth. However, there are more than just four amino acids necessary for life to exist, and at least one of those has never been created artifically. Also, the fact that outside of a cell nucleus DNA breaks down incredibly rapidly seems to preclude it forming by itself somehow (even if you don't consider the second law of thermodynamics, or the statistical improbability of it.) ------------- http://www.kiolia.com/shadowfolk"> 
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Posted By: Ajreaper
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 10:14am
| Interesting thoughts. But most can be easily explained. Early man's fascination with the sky makes sense. It was beyond their reach so surely anything in the sky had to be attributed to things greater and more powerful then man. And many civilizations share similarities because they all started in more or less the same locations (Nile, Tigris & Euphrates river valleys) then spread over thousands of years. As people moved away they took with them and passed on those common beliefs. It's an interesting theory but I'm afraid hard science can disprove or offer more plausible explanations. |
Posted By: Slimz.357
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 10:26am
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Yeah, 22 to be exact. Kinda throws that theory out the window. Then again, none of the various evolution theories were ever exactly in the window were they? ------------- "If you make it idiot proof, they'll make a better idiot." http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=125287&PN=1&TPN=1 - REQUIRED READING |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 2:15pm
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^^^^ That doesn't follow at all. Just because something HASN'T been created artificially doesn't mean it CAN'T be created artificially. Not at all. And how exactly do you figure that "the various evolution theories" were never "in the window?"
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Posted By: SlipKnoTpb
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 3:19pm
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what good would it do you to answer these questions? i say forget about it and just live. ------------- über Schuss! |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 3:25pm
| what good? if man as a whole adopted that theory - we'd still be living in caves and mud huts. |
Posted By: SlipKnoTpb
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 3:27pm
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im just saying pondering this sort of thing isnt going to cure cancer... ------------- über Schuss! |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 3:32pm
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Posted By: SlipKnoTpb
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 3:35pm
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deciding to build your own shelter has nothing to do with worrying about why you exist or how that came to be ------------- über Schuss! |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 3:38pm
How do you know what god feels? I dont, i was just using an example to support my point. I dont know, you dont know, hell maybe god is a really annoying crazy cat lady. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 4:04pm
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On the contrary. The General Theory of Relativity and quantum mechanics, for instance, were motivated in part by a desire to understand the origins of the universe. Much of modern zoology/biology is derived from Darwin's studies, which were motivated by a desire to understand the origins of man. Astronomy, of course, has always been motivated by a desire to understand the "heavens." Scientists used to be called "philosophers," and for a reason. If you limit your thinking to how to build a shelter, then that is all you will accomplish. Even monkeys can build shelters. We, as humans, have loftier goals. |
Posted By: SlipKnoTpb
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 10:37pm
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...my point is, people shouldn't dwell on the topic. spending all your time trying to answer questions that dont have definite answers is silly. ------------- über Schuss! |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 11:01pm
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yeesh....at lunch we usually talk about relationships and sex etc. it is really like a bad ABC drama around here.
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Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 11:09pm
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wow...i sit a couple tables away from the nerds at my school...you sound just like one of them trying to convert me into nerdism...lol...wait...what school do you go to? ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 11:16pm
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How do you know these questions don't have definite answers? No question has a definite answer until it has been thoroughly considered and dwelled upon. Dwelling on questions that already have answers is for children. Dwelling on questions that have no answer (yet) is for thinking adults. |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 11:20pm
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Slimz wrote: Yeah, 22 to be exact. Kinda throws that theory out the window. Then again, none of the various evolution theories were ever exactly in the window were they? umm...are you sure you aren't talking about 22 pairs of chromosones? Because I literally just finnished that kind of stuff in my biology class, 'course...i have a C in that class, so i was probaly sleeping, you know, its only seccond period so its like not even 8 yet...and what the hell do amino acids have to do with this topic anyways? I think I might start taking part in this thread, its kinda cool... ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 11:20pm
And you sound like the guy asking me if I would like fries with that... |
Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 17 December 2004 at 11:44pm
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Ok, I just thought of something. I'm sorry that this is
religious, but I have never thought about this before, and I'm hoping
to get an answer. You say God doesn't feel our emotions, yet it
does say that when Jesus died God was sad. Double standard?
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Posted By: I <3 my A5
Date Posted: 18 December 2004 at 12:51pm
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That pretty much disproves this theory right there. ------------- Smoking Jesus causes testicular cancer. XBL Gamertag: Velcronia for Halo 2 |
Posted By: adrenalinejunky
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 12:34am
why? the thing goes deeper than weather wondering about the origin of the universe will really have an impact on modern technololgy, but its lazy thinking, what if people just observed things in nature - like a falling apple, a naturally magnetic rock, lightning, things which at one point were well beyond explanation. then just decided not to dwell on it. the advance of science depends heavily on trying to explain things that would seem to defy explanation.
he was talking about amino acids.. not chromosoms. |