A-5 cyclone feed
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Topic: A-5 cyclone feed
Posted By: 98customfinatic
Subject: A-5 cyclone feed
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 2:14am
| i got an idea for the cyclone feed, instead of running the cyclone feed off your air and making the a5 a major gass hog ...why dont they just run it off a battery... i think that would be way better and save so much more gas |
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Posted By: n00bPber16
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 11:16am
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then it just be like any other electric hopper. |
Posted By: HaloMasterALL09
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 12:16pm
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yeah good idea. ------------- 
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Posted By: HaloMasterALL09
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 12:17pm
yeah, but it would already come with the gun and probably a charger fr it too -------------
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n00bPber16 wrote:
Posted By: p8ntblr02
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 12:21pm
and u would have 2 worry about the battery and all of that ------------- Tippmann A5 Flatline Adjustable Stock M16 Carry Handle M16 Mag Kit Live in south florida and love paintball? talk 2 me if u no any fields |
Posted By: Spartan A-5
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 1:30pm
its actually a pretty dang good idea, great thinking ------------- A-5 Flatline swat force red dot tapco scope mount micro cap next: ex. chamber solid stock |
Posted By: n00bPber16
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 5:35pm
Yea, but what happens when your battery dies in the field cuz you forgot to charge it? Yes some fields sell 9 volts but theyre like 2 dollars. Where co2 is like 3 dollars to fill a 20oz(mine). I mean its a good idea and all(i thought of it when i first got mine |
) but just think about it for a few. But then again some people prbly think different then i do.Posted By: Ihaveanitch
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 5:38pm
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meh im neutral about it, on one hand u don't waste as much co2/hpa on other hand you'll have to worry about wondering how many shots your battery has left, tho if the battery runs out of the game you could always use the pump rod. Well, its a good idea. ------------- 
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Posted By: 98c Dude13
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 6:27pm
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They really should do that. ------------- TIPPMANN 98 CUSTOM 14" Progressive barrel 32* Black gel grips BT-16 Double trigger Pen Spring Mod X-core Expansion Chamber Vertical Adapter |
Posted By: evan51887
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 7:11pm
Except that it doesn't waste any extra gas. It uses the excess (blowback) gas that shoots the paintball to power the cyclone. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 8:43pm
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The cyclone was designed to run on air so that you wouldn't have to worry about having batteries or getting it wet. All the problems of electronic devices would not be present with a feeder operated by excess gas, hence the cyclone. If you run it on a battery then you defeat the purpose of it. It's only a rumor that the A5 is a gas hog because of the cyclone, it hasn't been proven as far as I know. I get the same efficiency with my A5 as I do with my 98c or at least close enough that I don't see the difference so until I see test results showing the cyclone to be drawing extra gas, I won't believe it. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: loki_9808
Date Posted: 19 December 2004 at 9:14pm
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i definately agree that the cyclone feed doenst take any extra air. i was told that it uses the same amount of air as anything else because it DOES use the excess "back" air of the tank. i have gotten the same air efficiency with my a5 just like with my spyder shutter and my other various guns. ------------- "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. Indeed, he who lives by the pen, the word processor, and fax machine shall also die by the sword. Only he who lives by the tank shall remain immune." |
Posted By: n00bPber16
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 1:26am
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I didnt know that... I really do learn something new everyday |
Posted By: Ihaveanitch
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 10:48am
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yea yall are right, lol u kno its funny i rececently polished my internals and went to a field yesterday, usually I'd go through 2 20 oz to play, now i only use one. Well anyways i think i like the cyclone feed the way it is, somethin less to worry about wit batteries. -------------
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Posted By: HaloMasterALL09
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 10:51am
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it would be a better and easier way -------------
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Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 10:59am
| You could have the cyclone run of of a 9 gram and have something that when everytime you pull the trigger or have it held down that it relaeses some gas |
Posted By: SilentStealth67
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 12:04pm
umm... no ------------- 
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 2:51pm
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Lol, if you say so. With the current design you never have to touch it for it to work, never have to change batteries, and it always spins after each shot. How would making it electronic make it any easier or better? ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 5:46pm
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Id preffer that id rather carry extra batteries on the field with me instead of another co2 tank...... ------------- 
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Posted By: n00bPber16
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 5:57pm
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why would you have to carry an extra co2 tank? it doenst use anymore then any other gun. Read the other posts - uses excess gas. Cmon say it with me - excess. Meaning doesnt use any more then some other gun. If you really think so, then get like a expansion chamber or reg or something. ------------- 
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Posted By: evan51887
Date Posted: 20 December 2004 at 9:32pm
Why do you all think it uses more gas than a paintball gun like the 98 Custom? It doesn't! It uses excess blowback gas to power the Cyclone Feeder. No extra gas used. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 21 December 2004 at 9:23pm
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I think we'd be better off talking to a wall, evan. It's been said so many times yet people still refuse to accept it. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: bobsA-5
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 11:34am
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 12:57pm
Qloader anyone...it doesnt use excess air or batteries ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition! 
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Posted By: Ihaveanitch
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 2:22pm
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how bout we just manually feed the balls into the gun, hold a hand ful of balls in ur hand and just put one in everytime u fire. -------------
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Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 2:31pm
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the whole pint of a tippmann is reliablity, if u add those particular electronics u ruin the gun. they work fine the way they are. why change something that works? ------------- Nothing is Stronger than the Heart of a Volunteer Proud to be a Soldier in the United States Army! Commo Leads the Way!! |
Posted By: pballa123
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 2:48pm
to make it work better. Im not saying using electronics would make it better but that is why would would change something that works better. To all that say the cyclone doesnt use more gas, I understand where you are coming from. Thats what tippmann says and they give a good explanation to back it up. and i used to say exactly that. However, for one reason or another the A-5 uses more gas than other markers such as the 98. I do not no if it ia because of the cyclone or not but for some reason it does. As for running the cyclone on battiries, my personal opinion is good idea but no.(no offense) its a good idea and it has its advantages but the one thing that keeps me from agreeing with the idea is as someone stated earlier, every feild fills air, not every feild sells batteries. So running it on air your guaranteed (if you play at a feild) never for it to let you down. And if you play at home, think of it this way. You run out of air and the cyclone still runs, you still cant play. Also, may fileds offer all day air so it doresnt cost any extra cash to "recharge" your cyclone. |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 25 December 2004 at 12:25pm
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If you've seen some kind of test to prove this then please show me. I own the A5 and the 98c and haven't noticed any significant difference in air efficiency between the two. I haven't had time to do an in depth experiment to prove/disprove this but from my years of experience with the two guns I haven't seen any efficiency problems with the A5 compared to the 98c so my guess is that tippmann is right when they say the cyclone doesn't use more gas. At worst the difference would probably be like 100 shots but I doubt it's even that. Since I haven't done any experiments to prove this it's possible that I'm wrong but it's not likely that I haven't noticed something like that after using these two guns for so long. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 25 December 2004 at 1:23pm
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If you want an electronic hopper to go on a A5, jus remove the Cyclone, mod a 98c elbow feed and place whatever hopper you want on it.....its been done before by so many players and you dont have to worry bout using excess air jus to operate the Cyclone and you would only worry bout the batteries whether theyre fresh or not. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: oelfkp
Date Posted: 26 December 2004 at 3:33am
| It doesnt waste gas. I cannot beleive people are complaining about loosing gas. It costs cents to pay for Co2. Wow it is said that people always rely on electricity to solve problems. It is not using EXTRA gas but is using EXCESS gas. Some people just dont get it and should actually learn a little bit about an A-5 before purchasing it and complaining |
Posted By: HaloMasterALL09
Date Posted: 26 December 2004 at 12:25pm
then its thier damn fault for not charging it but for the smart ppl that do, it will be very benificial. -------------
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Posted By: HaloMasterALL09
Date Posted: 26 December 2004 at 12:32pm
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imo, i think the A-5 uses more, my friends 98c used 1 12 oz. i used 3 on my A-5. Every game i was next to him and we shot about the same amt of paint and speed of shoting. -------------
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Posted By: Stiffler
Date Posted: 26 December 2004 at 8:38pm
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i think the cyclone is fine the way it is, if you dont like it take it off and make the a-5 a vertical feed. ------------- 
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Posted By: killer_paint
Date Posted: 27 December 2004 at 1:26am
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Good idea but the hopper will feed faster and longer on gas ------------- I know my **edited**! |
Posted By: Gurke
Date Posted: 28 December 2004 at 8:48am
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as i've heard... Tippmanns are the guns that you can run over with cars, take into a river with you, and still shoot them (i'm assuming they mean stock) so if you add electricity to this, wouldn't they be less reliable for the people who do like to get them a little rugged? I want a gun that i know will work. ------------- You'd think I'd be used to guns living in South Texas... Oh well. |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 28 December 2004 at 10:57pm
thats not true at all ------------- 
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Posted By: rave5910
Date Posted: 28 December 2004 at 11:47pm
Do you guys know how ungodly huge the cyclone feeder housing would be
if they made the cyclone an electro? The only thing to be removed would
be the ratchet, and sprocket, then you would need to add a motor, a
board, and space for batteries. Also, "a-5 using more gas = hype".
I know for sure this statement is either false or you have some other problem with your gun, if it were true that the a-5 used three times as much gas as other guns then we would only get about 300 - 400 shots out of a 20oz. tank and I usually get about 1000. ------------- 
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Posted By: shadowmaster78
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 9:54am
| ok well here is what i think, whychange agood thing? the cyclone isagood syestem. If u had a batteryhopper it adds wait and a extera 12 gramwhere would u put it? |
Posted By: jim_wilson
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 4:46pm
no not really electric hoppers dont eat up bat juice that much just carry 1 spare 1 w/ u thats all and besides then ud have ur gas for shootin, not in the cyclone feeding and yes thats a great idea ------------- 98 Custom Collapsable M4 Style Stock Flatline Barrel Kingman Java Remote Coil |
Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 11:54pm
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Please read the previous posts before joining a thread, you obviously didn't read what was said already. If you did then you would know that we've already gone over how you don't lose any gas to the cyclone, it just uses the gas that is normally wasted. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: paintball plyr
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 12:22am
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the A-5 does use more gas because of they cyclone because my 20oz was low on gas and the bolt on my A-5 wasn't coming all the way back so i disengaged the tank and hooked it up to my 98c and got anoth fifteen or so shot before it started acting up. so therefore the A-5 does use more gas. now back to the topic how would the cyclone know when to feed if it was battery powered ------------- Tippmann A-5 BT-16 six position stock (for sale) R/T (Sold) E-grip w/ WAS board (in transit) soon to come: double trig palmers stabilizer QEV |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 12:07pm
By 15 huh? Wow. Ive never figured out why people claim the a5 uses "excess" gas. It siphons gas directly heading to the powertube to propell the ball. ------------- 
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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 1:45pm
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People say that because that's what they were told by tippmann. I haven't noticed a difference in efficiency between the A5 and 98c so if there is one it's obviously very small. That one guy says 15 shots. You know what you can do with 15 shots? Not all that much so what's the big deal? You trade 15 shots for an excellent feeding system that won't need new batteries or break if it gets wet. I think that's a pretty good deal. ------------- oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey Me: But only if they're hungary Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth |
Posted By: rave5910
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 5:54pm
I think it's referred to as excess gas because it isn't required to recock the gun or propell the paintball, if it was the a-5 just wouldn't work, and neither would the response trigger on both the a-5 and 98c. -------------
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 10 January 2005 at 3:01pm
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Repeat after me:
The A-5 uses gas that would likely be wasted anyway. All the people I know that own A-5s say that the difference is hardly noticeable. |
Posted By: Blackbetty
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 5:33am
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not to mention the noise that electric motors make, ------------- Buy a corvette and show the world that you know absolutely nothing about cars. The new VW convertible beatle..... now you can actaully hear people call u and idiot. |
Posted By: Dawrr
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 7:09am
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Maybe it should run off 12 grams then. Other than air, there is really nothing you can use that will be as efficient as gas. A battery would take up some space on the gun, and would be yet another thing to have to watch for functionality. If the battery dies midgame, you have to replace it. Same goes for E-grip. 1 battery is hard enough to keep track off. LEt alone 2 ------------- Smart Parts Shocker SFT Vision PE 48/3k All-Am. 14" Barrel Q-loader kit Eggy2 Z-boarded NDZ V3 He Bolt 34 bps A-5, E-gripped WAS board to come 16" Werks JC F/X Stock Q-loader 30 bps |
Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 12:50pm
| if u add an electric motor to it it would eather make the can on the side alot longer or add a big bump on the side off your gun |
Posted By: rave5910
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 4:42pm
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No, everyone stop trying, the cyclone is fine the way it is. There
would be no point in completely redisinging the cyclone feed system to
be operated by battery and motor or 12 gram. The electronic idea would
make it uber huge and there would be timing issues that would need to
be worked out, not to mention it would make the a-5 more expensive. The
12 gram idea would be even more rediculous since it would make it even
bigger, you would need not only room for a 12 gram but then you would
need room for all the other stuff to make it work. You cant just hook
up pressurized air to the cyclone, you would need something to release
a little bit of air to work the cyclone everytime it shot, and wouldn't
it suck if after a few games you forgot to change your 12 gram then in
the middle of the next game your ungodly huge, gas saving, 12 gram
operated cyclone feed died. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 11 January 2005 at 4:57pm
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On a stock Tippmann, it is "excess," in the sense that Tippmanns waste gas with every shot - might as well use it for something. In stock configuration, with a fixed drive spring, the same amount of gas is used for each shot (more or less), regardless of velocity settings. This amount is quite a bit more than is required to actually operate the mechanism. Some of this excess can be redirected to an RT or a Cyclone, but adding either of those does not change the amount of gas being used per shot. Therefore, "excess" or waste. Now, on a Tippmann with a regulator or RVA, having a Cyclone or RT will limit how closely you can tune your gun's efficiency, since the Cyclone and the RT need a certain amount of this "excess" to operate. It is very possible to set your A-5 RT, using an RVA, so that the gun will fire flawlessly at high velocity, but neither the Cyclone or RT will do anything at all. In this sense, the Cyclone does lower potential efficiency, but it does not affect the efficiency of a stock gun at all. For this same reason, when you get low on air, the Cyclone and RT are the first to give. If you manually pump the Cyclone you will get another 15 (give or take) shots from your A-5 before you are empty. This gives the illusion of lower efficiency, when what is actually happening is that the A-5 simply needs a slightly higher operating pressure than the 98, because of the Cyclone.
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