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Topic: R/T or E-Grip
Posted By: Bobjc90
Subject: R/T or E-Grip
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 9:57am
What do you guys think is more worth it??

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Posted By: A-5 Command
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 10:38am
E-Grip: Can change firing modes, is faster, 15 BPS, tourney legal


Posted By: RoboCop
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 11:11am
E-grip  if you play tourney. Some fields don't allow the r/t and most tourneys don't also. If you have the money, go with the e-grip. A friend of mine has an A-5 with a r/t. The r/t is slow on his gun but on my 98c, it rips. I have also heard of someone elses A-5 with r/t wasn't shooting fast either. So with the A-5, I would get the E-grip.


Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 11:13am
Originally posted by A-5 Command A-5 Command wrote:

E-Grip: Can change firing modes, is faster, 15 BPS, tourney legal
actually the r/t goes 16 and is just 1bps faster than egrip.


Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 11:26am

anyway, the r/t has no possible advantages over the egrip what so ever, except for the price which is made up for in the egrips performance.  First of all, the egrip is tournament leagal, although it must be on semi auto.  R/t are illegal in tourrny's, getting the egrip would save you hassle before a tournament.  Second, the egrip trigger pull is soooo much lighter than the original grip; it is very light and short.  The r/t actually has a heavier pull than the original grip because of the gas resistance.  Third, the egrip has 5 different firing modes:semi auto, turbo mode(shoots twice for each trigger pull as long as the release of the trigger is within .25 seconds of the pull), response mode(you fire about three shots and then every trigger pull after that throws out about 3 shots, this is when the rof is set to highest), 3 shot burst(self explainable), and of course, full auto, yur best friend.  R/t firing modes: NONE. it is like a semi auto but auto at the same time type thing.  Fourth, the r/t uses excess gas to be powered, so u will find your self running out of gas faster, the egrip doesnt uses any excess gas, just a battery.

the only possible reason i could see someone not buying this product is because of its price $120 compared to r/t $80.  But, as you can see from above, it is well worth your money and is the best upgrade you can get for your A5, except HPA. 

Hope this helps.



Posted By: -=Headwound=-
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 11:34am
Originally posted by A5 dude15 A5 dude15 wrote:

anyway, the r/t has no possible advantages over the egrip what so ever, except for the price which is made up for in the egrips performance.  First of all, the egrip is tournament leagal, although it must be on semi auto.  R/t are illegal in tourrny's, getting the egrip would save you hassle before a tournament.  Second, the egrip trigger pull is soooo much lighter than the original grip; it is very light and short.  The r/t actually has a heavier pull than the original grip because of the gas resistance.  Third, the egrip has 5 different firing modes:semi auto, turbo mode(shoots twice for each trigger pull as long as the release of the trigger is within .25 seconds of the pull), response mode(you fire about three shots and then every trigger pull after that throws out about 3 shots, this is when the rof is set to highest), 3 shot burst(self explainable), and of course, full auto, yur best friend.  R/t firing modes: NONE. it is like a semi auto but auto at the same time type thing.  Fourth, the r/t uses excess gas to be powered, so u will find your self running out of gas faster, the egrip doesnt uses any excess gas, just a battery.

the only possible reason i could see someone not buying this product is because of its price $120 compared to r/t $80.  But, as you can see from above, it is well worth your money and is the best upgrade you can get for your A5, except HPA. 

Hope this helps.

Very good post!  

But the part about the R/T using more gas is complete BS!

The R/T uses blowback gas to reset the R/T piston so it will put together strings of shots together easily. If you didn't have a R/T installed the blowback gas would just dissipate into the air.

In simple terms :

The R/T doesn't use anymore gas than a stock A-5!

This is a common misconception about the R/T



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Posted By: Bobjc90
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 1:18pm
Thx Everyone

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Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 2:02pm
^ yes my bad...got a little carried away...


Posted By: pballa818
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by A-5 Command A-5 Command wrote:

E-Grip: Can change firing modes, is faster, 15 BPS, tourney legal

what he said


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Posted By: Ihaveanitch
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 2:27pm
also wit the e grip u can get that jcs trig blade adjustable trig.

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Posted By: lifelesslived17
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 2:43pm
e-grip for sure, more options, more fun!


Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by A5 dude15 A5 dude15 wrote:

anyway, the r/t has no possible advantages over the egrip what so ever, except for the price which is made up for in the egrips performance.  First of all, the egrip is tournament leagal, although it must be on semi auto.  R/t are illegal in tourrny's, getting the egrip would save you hassle before a tournament.  Second, the egrip trigger pull is soooo much lighter than the original grip; it is very light and short.  The r/t actually has a heavier pull than the original grip because of the gas resistance.  Third, the egrip has 5 different firing modes:semi auto, turbo mode(shoots twice for each trigger pull as long as the release of the trigger is within .25 seconds of the pull), response mode(you fire about three shots and then every trigger pull after that throws out about 3 shots, this is when the rof is set to highest), 3 shot burst(self explainable), and of course, full auto, yur best friend.  R/t firing modes: NONE. it is like a semi auto but auto at the same time type thing.  Fourth, the r/t uses excess gas to be powered, so u will find your self running out of gas faster, the egrip doesnt uses any excess gas, just a battery.


the only possible reason i could see someone not buying this product is because of its price $120 compared to r/t $80.  But, as you can see from above, it is well worth your money and is the best upgrade you can get for your A5, except HPA. 


Hope this helps.



Do you know what excess gas means???
It means gas that otherwise would NOT be used. So your 4th reason is completely wrong.

And I'd own a R/T before an E-grip anyday. Why you might ask?
Because with the R/T you dont need to take anyhting apart or use any tools to switch from semi auto to full. That way i can shoot single shots when needed or lay down the paint whenever I want. No tools needed.

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Posted By: A-5 Command
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 6:15pm

A-5 dude, dont forget 3 shot burst lol

And also a possible advantage that some people say to get the R/T over the E-Grip is that the E-Grip uses a battery which really means almost nothing (it fires about 3000 shots) which is 15 hopper fulls



Posted By: blahtothe24
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 9:38pm
If you have the money go with the grip... it is worth it... but if u think you arent going to get the money i would settle wit a R/T since they r still good.


Posted By: Mack
Date Posted: 23 December 2004 at 11:29pm

This is really a personal preferance question.  The answer depends a lot on what type of game you are going to play.  I've had both on my A5 and didn't like either one.  Granted, the problem could be with my A5 since it is one of the early ones (serial # 000372) or it could just be me since I let my son use the e-grip on his A5 (#000375) and he didn't seem to have any problems. 

Anyway, to my point.  If your going to play mainly tournaments, or on licensed fields, you want to listen to the folks who recommended the e-grip.  But for woodsball, the guy up above (You Won't See Me) hit the nail on the head.  The r/t is cheaper, you never need to worry about batteries, and you can fire as little or as much as you want.

I like the model 98 r/t so much that I just installed another one on my other 98C.



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Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 2:50am
Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

Originally posted by A5 dude15 A5 dude15 wrote:

anyway, the r/t has no possible advantages over the egrip what so ever, except for the price which is made up for in the egrips performance.  First of all, the egrip is tournament leagal, although it must be on semi auto.  R/t are illegal in tourrny's, getting the egrip would save you hassle before a tournament.  Second, the egrip trigger pull is soooo much lighter than the original grip; it is very light and short.  The r/t actually has a heavier pull than the original grip because of the gas resistance.  Third, the egrip has 5 different firing modes:semi auto, turbo mode(shoots twice for each trigger pull as long as the release of the trigger is within .25 seconds of the pull), response mode(you fire about three shots and then every trigger pull after that throws out about 3 shots, this is when the rof is set to highest), 3 shot burst(self explainable), and of course, full auto, yur best friend.  R/t firing modes: NONE. it is like a semi auto but auto at the same time type thing.  Fourth, the r/t uses excess gas to be powered, so u will find your self running out of gas faster, the egrip doesnt uses any excess gas, just a battery.


the only possible reason i could see someone not buying this product is because of its price $120 compared to r/t $80.  But, as you can see from above, it is well worth your money and is the best upgrade you can get for your A5, except HPA. 


Hope this helps.



Do you know what excess gas means???
It means gas that otherwise would NOT be used. So your 4th reason is completely wrong.

And I'd own a R/T before an E-grip anyday. Why you might ask?
Because with the R/T you dont need to take anyhting apart or use any tools to switch from semi auto to full. That way i can shoot single shots when needed or lay down the paint whenever I want. No tools needed.
srry.....jesus....u dont need to tell me im wrong when thats already been done...chill out jesus, beside htats how people learn, from making mistakes.... and yes im aware that "excess gas" means that it wont be used.  and wow, u got one advantage over the egrip.  to take care of that problem with the egrip just keep it on response mode, theres semi auto, but when you really need the fire power just pull the trigger a little faster and and your firing mode goes up to 15bps instantly and its all taken care of.


Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 3:18am
I find the E-Grip/E-bolt Trashy compared to the R/T   Unless you are going to go into any tournment I Advise dont put Electronics into a Tippmann it isn't worth it...  R/T all the way!

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Posted By: A-5 Command
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 1:46pm

why isn't electronics worth it?

and like A5dude15 said on the auto response mode gives you semi auto (hold trigger down a little longer), auto respons, 3 shot burst (pull trigger, release trigger, and pull trigger), and full auto ( pull triggger rapidly)



Posted By: raspidiod
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 6:15pm

I dont have an E-grip, but I was thinking about purchasing one for my A-5 since my dad has a r/t on his and it pretty much sucks.  But, what do you mean you have to take the E-grip apart or whatever to change firing modes?  Its not operated by buttons?



Posted By: Stiffler
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 6:46pm
^^no its not that fancy. you have to take the grip apart and change it manually, which with the a-5 isnt that difficult.

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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 7:38pm
There is 1 advantage that the mech RT has over the E-Grip, the RT doesnt run on batteries, its jus uses excess gas in order fer it to operate.

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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 24 December 2004 at 7:55pm
^ only suckers use Batteries... 

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Posted By: SnakeEyes
Date Posted: 25 December 2004 at 12:05am
Wow, some of the circulating misinformation really astounds me.

The R/T will make your gun less efficient. Just how much less is up to debate, but by all logic it will.

The R/T does not use excess gas. It takes some gas from the powertube, diverts it to the R/T piston, and uses that energy to work the trigger.

Think about this. The R/T is a parallel pipe system. The pressure remains constant across a parallel joint and mass flow spreads out across the two parallel ends. That is saying that some air mass must go to working the R/T. If you were to set your gun up to run an R/T, and then plug the opening directly out of the powertube, and then fire the gun your velocity would increase. No longer would that bit of air going to the R/T. More air would be reaching the front bolt, shooting the paintball at a higher velocity. That means that you would have to either reduce your operating pressure or reduce the spring tension on the back bolt to reduce your velocity back down to the velocity with the R/T operating. That my friends is inefficiency. You need to use more air to shoot a paintball at the same velocity.

HOWEVER, how much more inefficient the R/T is to be determined. Judging from the size of the R/T hose compared to the size of the air channels around the valve you would be losing a very small bit of air, probably making judging how much less efficient the R/T is impossible without laboratory conditions and monitoring.

If it used excess blowback gas from the front bolt it would be something different.


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