Actually there is snipers in paintball...Military words and paintball words have differnt definitions. Maybe some of you that hop on this forum and see someone with a 1,000 post count say there is no such thing as a sniper and instantly beleive them, your pretty dumb.

Anyways, for your 98 this would be a good setup if you like playing the sniper role.

• Flatline Barrel System
• Red dot sight
• Stock
• Expansion Chamber (sniper or not)
• Electronic hopper, revvy will do fine (sniper or not)
• And a remote line.

AngelKiller4evr wrote: there are no "snipers" in paint ball

^^^what he said.

Sniper- A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place. Rank 1

Sharp Shooter- One who is highly proficient at shooting. Rank 2

Marksman-A man skilled in shooting at a target. Rank 3

each rank represnts average number of shots to hit and kill the enemy in a vital area.

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oh lord just answer his questions shut up! for the record i am a neutral party i'm not taking any sides because well to be frank this is stupid....

as for you question i would go with a flitline, your choice of a good powered loader, v/a, x-chamber/reg (depinding on what you are useing), r/t, a stock, a good red dot, and some good paint happy hunting

geeze!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there are no "snipers" in paintball because the balls arn't that accurate and real "snipers" go through a ton of training oh and they can't mess up.

people eather shot up about "snipers" in paintball or prove me wrong.

If you wish to be a sniper, either join the military to recieve the proper training to become one or join a scenario team and take part in one of those huge scenario type games like D-Day....but, if yer gonna say yer gonna be a sniper fer woodsball...."FERGET IT" theres no such thing as a sniper in woodsball....

A5 or 98c or whatever marker

Flatline Barrel 

Single trigger (double trigger if you feel more comfortable wit it)

Lasers (dont even bother)

Scopes (jus fer looks and to see further than what yer own beedy lil eyes can see)

Stocks (whatever which one you want)

Camoflauge clothing and gear (ghillie suits are useless)

Above all that....use yer brain, thats what God gave you as a gift, so use it wisely......

Frozen wrote: -PREDATOR- wrote: Actually there is snipers in paintball...Military words and paintball words have differnt definitions. Maybe some of you that hop on this forum and see someone with a 1,000 post count say there is no such thing as a sniper and instantly beleive them, your pretty dumb. Anyways, for your 98 this would be a good setup if you like playing the sniper role. Flatline Barrel System Red dot sight Stock Expansion Chamber (sniper or not) Electronic hopper, revvy will do fine (sniper or not) And a remote line. You're pretty dumb. The ability to marginally outshoot other guns, and having a quite useless stock, in no way make you a sniper. try searching for "snipers" on this forum, I believe you will get 90+ results, and in those threads, you will find ex-military snipers who utterly trample and thoughts of paintball snipers.

you're the idiot buddy...go onto any paintball site...you'll find sniper gear...or a tactic site youll find, sniper tactics!!! and do you'll really think i care what a hick in the tippmann forum says about snipers?

98c Dude13 wrote: evil_fingers wrote: If you wish to be a sniper, either join the military to recieve the proper training to become one or join a scenario team and take part in one of those huge scenario type games like D-Day....but, if yer gonna say yer gonna be a sniper fer woodsball...."FERGET IT" theres no such thing as a sniper in woodsball.... A5 or 98c or whatever marker Flatline Barrel  Single trigger (double trigger if you feel more comfortable wit it)  There is no such thing as snipers in woodsball huh? Well thats stupid because there is and what you hopefully meant was that there was no snipers in speedball because I doubt anyone goes with a ghillie suit on a speedball course. And that one guy was right, thats stupid to think that there is no such things as snipers in paintball because there is and don't think there is just because some guy with alot of post said so. But don't feel stupid when you go to a scebario game and you got shot by a sniper and get pissed off. Lasers (dont even bother) Scopes (jus fer looks and to see further than what yer own beedy lil eyes can see) Stocks (whatever which one you want) Camoflauge clothing and gear (ghillie suits are useless) Above all that....use yer brain, thats what God gave you as a gift, so use it wisely......

Were you tryin to quote me on something? And if you were....you need to read it more closely.....snipers only exist in "SCENARIO GAMES" not in "WOODSBALL"....use yer brain there is a difference between the 2 games.

This has gotten old.  Lemme see if I can get in before the lock.

People like to feel "special".  If you're part of an exclusive "club", then that makes you better than everyone else in your mind.  It's why people brag about being part of a given "golf club" or they can get into a resturant while you can't.  And so it goes with paintball.  People want to be percieved to be better than the average.  They want to show that they have skills, or status, that others do not.  Some players find this status in being a "Tournament" player, some by being "Sponsored", or a "field team" player and so on.

I feel that the whole "sniper" thing is a case of players wanting to feel special.  There's an air of mystery around the name "sniper", because nobody is 100% sure outside of the service what they really do.  It makes a player sound dangerous, lethal.  It creates a distance between a normal paintball player and themselves in percieved skill level.  "I'm a sniper!  I can sit in the back unseen and shoot you at any time."  It makes a normally mundane player feel more than the average.  They wear the "shaggy suit" and they get noticed, because it's different than everyone else at the field.  They dress the part, and they claim to play the part, and since there's no way to completely disprove the "sniper" player in the woods anyone can call themselves one.

"I didn't see you in the woods that game."  "No kidding!  I'm a sniper, remember!"  Well allrighty then....

So the debate, as it is, lives on partially because players need to feel special.  They need to keep the fantasy going that they are better than the average player.  Now this isn't to say that they have no skills, only that they feel a need to create a label for themsleves that makes them seem higher in ranking than just a "rec-player".  I know  alot of people who call themselves "Snipers" who really can play, but I also know a lot of (for lack of a better term) kids who buy into the term as a way to try and set themselves apart from others.

IMHO, that's the only reason this debate continues on and on.  If there were a ranking system, this wouldn't be a problem.  But, paintball has no way to really tell what skill level you are, so people have to use terms that they can find to describe themselves.  And "sniper" is one of them.

I still don't think that there is such a thing as a "paintball sniper".  There are sharpshooters who can longball you at over 200 feet, there are players who can do incredible things with camo, there are people who can sneak into your shorts and you'd never know it, but because of the definition of the role in military and police settings, I don't see paintball players filling the definition.  So therefore, there are no paintball snipers.

I know this post will stir up trouble, but it's just one player's opinion.

-Tyger

Frozen wrote: VTpaintballer wrote: no just answer his ? about what type of things you need to be a sniper and then state your small opinion on it Did you just ignore what I said? How can I say what he needs to be a paintball sniper if there is no such thing as a paintball sniper? Are you daft?

i heard or read what you said but what i said is still answer the ? no matter what your opinion and then give your opinion

sniper44 wrote: dont listen 2 the people who say there no snipers there jelus cause thev cant reach us when we are shooting them  so u have to get a flat line

Umm...

If you're not shooting a flatline, and you're outranging me, then I'm gonna wanna see a chrony on that bad boy, 'k?

And if ya ARE shooting a flatline, don't be shocked when I catch your ball out of the air and shoot it back.  Been there, done that. 

-Tyger

i think their can b snipers but im stayin neutral...but u need a stock but i hear u cant aim better with em. but u need a barrel, and maybe a scope. just to aim better not to see farther. and a remote if u want one. im a newb so just listen to them... lol

i just have to say this so guys plz dont flame me im postin my opinion just like everyone else... u dont nessesarally have to go through years of training to b a sniper. you dont have to shoot someone from 19471946 yards away. and u dont have to have all that camo and crap. and wat if they get close...u see that lil thing ur finger is on...PULL IT. gosh. and like yall that were sayin like 500 yards and stuff and never miss...HELLO, nobodies perfect, im pretty sure a few snipers missed at least once before in their lifetime...and to snipe someone in p.b. u have to get a LIL bit closer, that doesnt mean ur not snipin peeps.

ok thats just my opinion dudez so still PLZ for the love of god dont flame me for this, its just retarted....

Most of those that are percieved as "Snipers " by others are those that have a higher skill set , and use it on the field .

I play speedball with an SL 68-II , I dont shoot but maybe 40 shots a game Tops , usually 3 - 5 kills too , That make me a sniper ?, Nah , that make me a better shot ?, Maybe , that make me a better player ? Sometimes.

Lots of kids call me a sniper, but I dont consider myself one , anybody on that field , that I can reach out and touch , can just as easily touch me back , so there goes the primary definition of what a sniper would be , "someone who can engage and eliminate the target from beyond the range of effective return fire" .

I am wholeheartedly with WDR-Tyger on what he said about flatlines too . flatlines work in very limited situations , such as heavy  overhanging growth , but other than that , they are a Gee-Whiz Product , I'll put my old SL68-II up against ANY Flatline out there , at the same velocity , and if you can hit me, I can hit you !!

Dont get me wrong , when I first got into the sport with my trusty PGP pump pistol , almost 20 years ago , I got my Burlap killing suit on , and guess what I called myself ?? Ya, I'd sit by the trailside, hidden , and Blast the first dude to walk by carrying a paintball gun, Problem was, his buddy right behind him more often than not got me out immediately after that , LOL !!

This whole debate is kinda like arguing about who had the Hottest wet dream .

The game of paintball , whether its speedball ,or woods , is based upon the glorified fantasy of combat . Let those that wish to call themselves "Snipers" have their fantasy (along with being Great targets for the Infantry Ambush types out there ) they will learn soon enough, and gather some valuable bruises along the way (It took me about 4 of those 1/2 day games to realize I wasnt doing my team much good ) .

Rant off , Nite all . Peace Tyger !

The only place you will see a "sniper" role will be at a scenario game.  They do recon and scout work...if they are any good.  They can be used to hold up an advance (such as when a take and hold objective is in need of reinforcement) or to get in close so they can take out a couple key defensive players during a mission and help soften things up for the sweeper team. 

But in woodsball, and even more so in speedball, there is no way you can play the "role".  If you want to read a decent book that gives a perspective of snipers in small unit combat, there is a very famous book out there titled "Marine Sniper".  If you read it you'll notice that they were not always out of effective range of return fire and that many times their position was compromised, especially during night engagements when the targets could spot the muzzle flash.  However, we do not have days to camp out somewhere and wait for targets to appear (nor would I want to) so it comes right down to redefining what a sniper in paintball would be...because it will not be the same creature that a traditional military sniper would be.  Different physics means different rules. 

Oldsoildier had used the term "interdiction rifleman".  I like that. You're set up is about the same as mine right down to the cut off 10 round tube.  Difference is I got to use mine for Anit-Tank work. :)

As for the question, whenever you are upgrading your marker you have to ask yourself what is the end result I am trying to achieve out of the marker?  For "sniper" work, accuracy and consistancy is most important...even more so than range.  I've heard that the Flatline isn't the best barrel out there because of the fact you need to use a little smaller round than the barrel to achieve the effect.  Due to the inconsistancy in ball size, you will have some balls a bit smaller and some a bit larger. This will mean that the amount of air that bypasses the ball will vary with each shot leading to inconsistant velocity.  By going the route of a traditional barrel, while you'll loose the "flat" trajectory and extra distance the Flatline offers you will be able to get a paint to barrel match that allows for the ball to completely fill the barrel. This will mean that the amount of gas bypassing the balls due to size (and friction of the balls rubbing against the barrel) will vary less giving you more consistant shots. 

Sticking with consistancy you need a regulated air source too.  If you go HPA, the bottles already come with a regulator and you are set.  If you go CO2, then you will want to pick up a good regulator (I HIGHLY recommend Palmer's Stabilizer regulator for CO2).  If you put your bottle on a bottom line, make sure you have a bottle that has an anti-siphon tube in it (If you have on that doesn't, find a reputable shop that can install one for you) and possibly an expansion chamber just to be safe (the Palmer reg though should keep out almost all Liquid CO2 from your marker).  If you run remote, you don't need to worry about these things as your bottle will be upright and your remote line will act as an expansion chamber.

A stock is good for making the marker easier to aim accurately.  It helps to stabilize the marker.  While this may or may not help in paintball, I find it more comfortable to shoot with one than without one.  Personal preference there.

For any kind of sight look into red dot or reflex sights.  Scopes are nice for scout work but in actual aiming situations they are not worth a darn considering the ranges we are at.  Red Dots are designed for close quarter work and allow you to aim with both eyes open thus preserving your field of vision and keeping you from getting tunnel vision.

Lasers are absolutely useless.  I have one on my marker and it is only for looks...nothing else.  (It came with the marker)  It did help a bit when zeroing in my red dot...but that's about it.

Uhmmmm...Actually during the Vietnam war Marine Scout/Snipers used the .50 cal MG as a sniper weapon.  Because of its rather slow ROF for a MG, the trigger could be pulled in such a way as to yield a single shot.  Rails were fitted to the MGs so that the Sniper teams could fit their high powered scopes to them.  But I digress...

Oldsoldier...I do not pretend to be an expert in such matters.  I will conceed that you may be perfectly correct in your statements for I have no way to either prove nor disprove them.  I do understand what it is you are saying and the basics behind it (as I had done so even before your post). 

However I doubt someone asking such a question has the knowledge and ability to redesign his propellant delivery system in such a way.  Thus I was providing him with things he can get off the shelf to improve the marker's consistancy. 

While I would love to see your set up and try a marker with a liquid CO2 system such as you describe, the fact remains that we are firing spherical projectiles and the effects of Vortex Shedding will contribute greatly to their inaccuracy.

oldsoldier wrote: Ok since a history lesson is upcoming..... The M2HB .50BMG was and can be used as a "long range interdiction piece" within certian conditions and set ups. First understand the the .50 M2HB Machinegun under the Geneva Convention 1947 is NOT to be used against ground troops (just thought I would throw that in seeing todays pention for the Laws of War) The M2HB utilizing the An-PVS2 or PVS4 sight mounted on a well snadbagged and weighted stable tripod with nylon washers on the U-mount (minimize the "wobble" of the mount)and a very tight and well maintained T+E mechanizum (traverse and elevation)was capable of shot in excess of 1500meters. The butterfly can be set to semi as well as full automatic. Point targets can and were engaged at night and sometimes day, and no self respecting VC or NVA was going to move around out in the open anywhere near a Army or Marine Firebase because M2HB's were standard issue defensive weapons of the era. The weapon was a point defense weapon, and to heavy and unstable to fire unsupported and without adequite set up time. BTDT............. The XM21 and the M24 were the sniper weapons of choice, and a few M1903A5's were floating around. As for scenario "paintball" snipers, having "generaled" many events I can not for the life of me see why any "leader" would minimize his "projected combat power" with snipers in this enviorment. The Reigns of Ruin OMHW game was a prime example, gave a "sniper" mission to a group of jumping up and down in anticipation OSOK players and guess what a mission failure, not even close to accomplishment. Well organized small recon teams are better suited to the game. As for SWAT snipers giving training......differant animal, differant techniques and applications....military instructors would be more adept in giving this training (as I have done at several TWC's)

owned

I'm just sayin...

Seriously though, thanks for the clarification on the use of .50s in Vietnam.  Yes, I knew they were point defense and yes I did know that they required the tripod mount and other preperations making them a static rather than truely portable weapon as well as it was certainly NOT the premier weapon used by the teams.  Just saying that MGs have been used in what some would consider a "Sniper type" role...i.e. OSOK.  I did not know, however, exactly how the trigger worked and that it was selectable that way...good to know. 

I think you and I are actually speaking along the same lines Oldsoldier...just, as I said before...using different terms.  Just as important is the fact that I'm not trying to argue or disprove anything, rather mearly clarifying my point.  You'll note when I use the term Sniper role that "sniper" is usually in quotes.  Reason being is that most people have this idea of what a sniper is supposed to be and that conception isn't the way the "role" would be played in a paintball scenario game.  You said  yourself that a recon team is better suited than a "sniper" team to the game of paintball and I agree.  Hence why I said that in a scenario environment...

They do recon and scout work...They can be used to hold up an advance (such as when a take and hold objective is in need of reinforcement) or to get in close so they can take out a couple key defensive players during a mission and help soften things up for the sweeper team.

While the second example doesn't explicity state it, it was implied that they would be working as part of a group...not the "lone wolf" mentality that most have as to what a Sniper should be.

Back to what you were talking about earlier though with having the liquid CO2 expand in the bore, are there any articles or sites that may have more information on this and the modification to make it work?  Very curious about this now. 

you know...

If you want to call yourself a sniper, go ahead.

Heck, call yourself "Aunt Bertha" when you play.  I think I've stoped caring.

Just be aware that you're not filling the role, you're just using the name.  And in that case, you can call yourself a paintball "Cheeseburger" for all that matters.

-Tyger

WDR-Tyger wrote: you know... If you want to call yourself a sniper, go ahead. Heck, call yourself "Aunt Bertha" when you play.  I think I've stoped caring. Just be aware that you're not filling the role, you're just using the name.  And in that case, you can call yourself a paintball "Cheeseburger" for all that matters. -Tyger

Which is why I just don't call myself anything other than a player. 

Robotech wrote: WDR-Tyger wrote: you know... If you want to call yourself a sniper, go ahead. Heck, call yourself "Aunt Bertha" when you play.  I think I've stoped caring. Just be aware that you're not filling the role, you're just using the name.  And in that case, you can call yourself a paintball "Cheeseburger" for all that matters. -Tyger Which is why I just don't call myself anything other than a player.

Same here!

What most people have in mind as a 'sniper' is impossible in paintball.  Stop watching movies. The guy in the ghillie suit shooting an assigned target or taking down the chain of command one shot at a time is not a sniper anyways, that is an assassin and lone gunmen rarely live to tell their stories.  Real snipers rarely shoot anyone, they have radios and optics and relay info back to peeps in charge.  The information they gather is preperation for major assaults on opposition targets or observation for artillary.  At best, in speedball, the sniper is a coach or other observer in your corner that notices the opponents weaknesses and coaches you on how to exploit it.  Otherwise, I see no other parallels in paintball for a sniper [unless you count sending my 8 yr old son off in the woods in a ghillie suit and telling him to hide for a few hours]. 

Here's an idea if you still wish to run around the woods in a ghillie suit and gun.  Try team ambushes.  First, you are hiding in the woods with a gun "hunting" people.  Second, you can still wear your ghillie suit.  Third, team play is 1,000,000x more fun than being by yourself.  Fourth,  you are able to get medical help immediately if necessary.  Fifth, team ambushes are more effective than "sniping."  Sixth, advances you make on the field are not in vane if you get hit.  Seventh, a well planned and executed ambush is a thing of pure beauty you will never forget.
As for equipment:
a marker that can throw lots of paint in a hurry and pretty accurately.  You really arent aiming here just launching a massive amount of paint in a general direction.

Recap:
Sniping=bad idea
Ambushes=more fun feeding ticks and mosquitos than you ever thought possible-and you still can wear the ghillie suit!!!

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Why even bump this back up...its been 10 days since someone responded wit a comment.....GOD people will never learn!

-PREDATOR- wrote: Frozen wrote: -PREDATOR- wrote: Actually there is snipers in paintball...Military words and paintball words have differnt definitions. Maybe some of you that hop on this forum and see someone with a 1,000 post count say there is no such thing as a sniper and instantly beleive them, your pretty dumb. Anyways, for your 98 this would be a good setup if you like playing the sniper role. Flatline Barrel System Red dot sight Stock Expansion Chamber (sniper or not) Electronic hopper, revvy will do fine (sniper or not) And a remote line. You're pretty dumb. The ability to marginally outshoot other guns, and having a quite useless stock, in no way make you a sniper. try searching for "snipers" on this forum, I believe you will get 90+ results, and in those threads, you will find ex-military snipers who utterly trample and thoughts of paintball snipers. you're the idiot buddy...go onto any paintball site...you'll find sniper gear...or a tactic site youll find, sniper tactics!!! and do you'll really think i care what a hick in the tippmann forum says about snipers?

sry i just wanted to qoute a qoute of a qoute, hahaha

**looks left, then right**

Look, nobody will resolve anything by petty bickering over it.  Give it a rest, a little while anyway.  I mean, call yourself what you want.  The opinions already expressed have been.  Just, let it go.  Zen with me here.  Ooooohhhhmmmmmmm.....

-Tyger

I think if someone wants to be a sniper let them.  While I don't buy into Old Soldier's position on sniper's, his definition of the requirements is right on target.  I think there could be paintball snipers, but I am not one and have never met one.  I know a few people who come close, but they either do not meet all the requirements as listed or due to their style of play choose not to exercise all the skills required.  I think paintball snipers are probably much more rare than their real world counterparts due to technological limitations and a lack of discipline.  (The lack of discipline statement is not a slam; it's just that paintball is no where near as serious as military/police service is and that seriousness is a great motivator for the professionals in those career fields.)

WDR-Tyger said that potential paintball snipers (PPS) just want to feel "special".  So why don't we just tell them they are special and let them play how they want.  Some will do well and the rest will "camp" or "stalk" slowly (because that's what "snipers" do ) around the field and I will have a chance to catch up to the PPS and shoot them in the back.  I have a bad back and don't move very fast anymore so I like slow moving targets. 

Now for a curiosity question:  Why does almost everyone suggest mating a stock with the flatline barrel?  I have a flatline and love it.  At long ranges it is an outstanding tool for suppressive fire and at shorter ranges the flat trajectory is an advantage on the terrain I mostly play in.  I have a 68 cu. in./3000 psi tank screwed into the bottom line.  It has a neoprene cover on it.  I shove the tank against my shoulder and it seems to work fine.

Ok... To the person who said "there are no snipers in paintball"   

I AM ONE!!!  And I never miss either.  

The last game I played, I layed under the snow.  Then, as three guys walked by, I shot each of them before they even knew what hit them.  So there ARE snipers in paintball.  First, buy yourself a Flatline.  They put backspin on the ball and will make your shots accurate.  As gravity pulls down on the ball, it will lift itself up due to backspin, creating a perfectly level shot.  They DONT lower the speed of the ball like some people say.  They are very good if you install them correctly. 

Then, buy some stock..  No not the kind from a company.  Buy some collapsable pro team f/x stock.  It is light and very durable.  Then, you can mount the gun on your shoulder and shoot level.  Buy a sight, and mount it on the end of the gun.  I found that buying the ADCO Hotshot sight comes with a great little mount.  I made a bracket for the mount.  It holds my 9x scope on the side of my 98 and it takes mere seconds to snap it off.

Then, take the reflector mount off of a bicycle, and snap it on the barrel.  Then, feed a keyring through it.  The stock will have a place for a strap to go, so put a keyring there too.  Then, go to Wal-Mart and buy a camera-case-sling.  Connect each end to the keyrings.  You now have a foolproof and cheap sling. 

Now, here is the fun part.  Every sniper needs a pack.  Buy the Wenger SOHO backpack.  Buy either the green or black one.  it has slots for anything paintball.  (its intended to be a laptop backpack, but it is GREAT for paintball) its vinyl is super easy to clean.  I strap the gun to the side of the backpack and annihilate with my A-5 when close combat is the game.  Otherwise, I lay back and shoot people in the butt from hundreds of feet away with the Flaltine. 

Good luck sniping...

In my mind the term sniper in the paintball world is someone with powerful gun with the ability to shoot accurately at longre ranges

And why is it such a big deal if someone says that they are a sniper? U guys make it sound like a freakin sin

Dawrr wrote: Ok... To the person who said "there are no snipers in paintball"    I AM ONE!!!  And I never miss either.   The last game I played, I layed under the snow.  Then, as three guys walked by, I shot each of them before they even knew what hit them.  So there ARE snipers in paintball.  First, buy yourself a Flatline.  They put backspin on the ball and will make your shots accurate.  As gravity pulls down on the ball, it will lift itself up due to backspin, creating a perfectly level shot.  They DONT lower the speed of the ball like some people say.  They are very good if you install them correctly.  Then, buy some stock..  No not the kind from a company.  Buy some collapsable pro team f/x stock.  It is light and very durable.  Then, you can mount the gun on your shoulder and shoot level.  Buy a sight, and mount it on the end of the gun.  I found that buying the ADCO Hotshot sight comes with a great little mount.  I made a bracket for the mount.  It holds my 9x scope on the side of my 98 and it takes mere seconds to snap it off. Then, take the reflector mount off of a bicycle, and snap it on the barrel.  Then, feed a keyring through it.  The stock will have a place for a strap to go, so put a keyring there too.  Then, go to Wal-Mart and buy a camera-case-sling.  Connect each end to the keyrings.  You now have a foolproof and cheap sling.  Now, here is the fun part.  Every sniper needs a pack.  Buy the Wenger SOHO backpack.  Buy either the green or black one.  it has slots for anything paintball.  (its intended to be a laptop backpack, but it is GREAT for paintball) its vinyl is super easy to clean.  I strap the gun to the side of the backpack and annihilate with my A-5 when close combat is the game.  Otherwise, I lay back and shoot people in the butt from hundreds of feet away with the Flaltine.    Good luck sniping...

Make yer post alot clearer, yer a sniper in any scenario games (where they do exist) not in any woodsball games (where they dont exist)...

Damn MODS are like the cops....when you need one, theyre never around, but when you dont need one, theyre around....in this forums case....THEYRE NEVER AROUND!

Having re-read a few of the arguments on here, I don't understand why some folks rush to close these threads.  I enjoy reading the well thought out/supported positions of OS and others.  I will admit to being annoyed by the folks (on either side of the argument) who have the arrogance to just proclaim their opinion as if their saying it makes it gospel truth. 

These threads will always be here, because new folks will always come in and post without searching.  Someone will always tell them to search and some of them will always be offended.  Some people who can spell and argue will provide very well supported positions while others who can't spell will resort to name-calling and proclamations.  Eventually it will end up in flames.  Maybe the mods (who I am sure are busy with real lives outside this forum-unlike me) are watching this and have decided to let it ride because mostly everyone is behaving and there are some good points being made for all the new players who might be reading this.  Additionally, having this here gives both the sniper and anti-sniper crowds a single place to post as opposed to having topics pop up all over the forum.

To tell you the truth, if there was a MOD online, he would definitely lock this thread up in a heart beat....there has been too many of these since Ive signed up and theyre always the same.

And yes its true on what you said about people asking questions like this one and theres no way around it.

But if people would jus ignore it, then threads like this one would be pushed back and I mean waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back.

evil_fingers wrote: To tell you the truth, if there was a MOD online, he would definitely lock this thread up in a heart beat....there has been too many of these since Ive signed up and theyre always the same. And yes its true on what you said about people asking questions like this one and theres no way around it. But if people would jus ignore it, then threads like this one would be pushed back and I mean waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back.

I bet they wouldn't stay back.  The topic starter would bump it, or some search-button-challenge individual would post in it, or someone who enjoys a good debate (like me) would see a point they felt compelled to respond to.  I wasn't going to post but the little voices in my head were really starting to bug me with their chorus of "sit right down and type up that post" which they were singing to the tune of the Gilligan's Island theme song.