Why I’m Not Donating to Tsunami Relief
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Topic: Why I’m Not Donating to Tsunami Relief
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Subject: Why I’m Not Donating to Tsunami Relief
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 5:40pm
| This year I've paid hundreds of dollars in taxes, so that money is being used by the government to send a couple of helicpoters to Phuckit Indonesia, so I did my part, and sent a helicopter. |
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Posted By: Omar
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 5:43pm
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Posted By: Frozen
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 5:46pm
| Can't argue. |
Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 5:47pm
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I agree ------------- 
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 5:48pm
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Touche ------------- http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/857/sig9ac6cs1mj.jpg - |
Posted By: Ilovepaintball1
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 5:48pm
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A little more wouldn't hurt
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Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 5:50pm
We can keep throwing money into this, but at the end of the day, theres no one actually trying to allievate the situation, doing such things as helping to rebuild. I can't blame people for not going to Indonesia, as I myself wouldn't. |
Ilovepaintball1 wrote:Posted By: pballa j.r.
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 5:55pm
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I'm with you dave.
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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 6:17pm
| dave is right |
Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 6:25pm
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I never knew you were a mod on PBnation, never on there much that might be to blame. ------------- 6,600 posts. I need a lifE |
Posted By: Frozen
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 6:37pm
I'm fairly certain that only people with experience in international disaster relief are being let into the region. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 6:41pm
That just had to be quoted ------------- 
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 7:24pm
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Posted By: poamike
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 7:30pm
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quoted again for the hell of it ------------- I need to read the rules on sig and avatar sizes. |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 7:35pm
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I'm not going to donate anything, because of something that could have been prevented. If this had happened in America, a few hundred people would have died, not 160,000. Even if America had been damaged, those countries wouldnt help us. Some European allies would help us, but not Thailand. Also, money is not what those people need. They need medicine, men, food, and water.
Plus we already in a big enough debt. ------------- 
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Posted By: seargeantjim
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 7:35pm
| Ill agree, If I did donate money, Id send it somewhere much more useful, to our own troops overseas. |
Posted By: SebastianBlack
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 8:02pm
Erm, you're daft, if that happened in the US the casualties would be many times worse. The eastern seaboard is one of the most dense places, population wise, in the world. ------------- FFKFASOFAA Erst wenn die Wolken schlafengehn kann man uns am Himmel sehn wir haben Angst und sind allein Gott weiss ich will kein Engel sein |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 8:06pm
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Im with dave on this one. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: ThEeViLcHiCkEn
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 8:32pm
and again ------------- 
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 8:57pm
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Posted By: ThEeViLcHiCkEn
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 8:58pm
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^ where not in debt, please refer to my post in the thread .ryan started.
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Posted By: triggerhappy1
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 9:10pm
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i agree, there would be many more killed. the atlantics tsunami warning system isnt much different than the indian ocean. but im sure we would be warned with some time to evacuate. and there could be a "super tsunami" anytime on the east coast. theres a steep volcanic island off the coast of africa which may collapse at an eruption and cuase giant ripples meaning150ft+ waves on us. many more kiled with that no matter what. ------------- 
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Posted By: paintballer2584
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 9:47pm
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y should we send our $ because if somthing happens over here there not going to help us ------------- http://www.imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: Gewwy
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 10:41pm
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Good work Dave. ------------- E-Tek Ego |
Posted By: SeaWolf
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 10:55pm
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YEA! if the gov't didn't know what was best for us, i don't know what i'd do. ------------- 
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Posted By: RollnROCK89i
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 11:22pm
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Because they can't? Were a much richer country than they are. They barely survive on what they have, we buy big fancy cars and other things that we don't need. I also agree with dave, and i myself am not donating, but saying that their not going to help us if it happened to us is a crappy reason not donate... |
Posted By: Multi-Colored J
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 11:26pm
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You're not donating because you already pay taxes, but you can buy that dessert even though you've had a meal. ------------- X |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 11:31pm
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I pay taxes and donated. What good is money going to do me if there is no one left to help me enjoy it.
Hell, a few of my coworkers were over there helping already (pre-big wave) and decided to stay longer at their own expense. I have to work longer hours to pick up the slack and am not complaining. ------------- 
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Posted By: phantom87
Date Posted: 07 January 2005 at 11:52pm
No, thats crazy. The only reason the casualties were so high was because one of the govt. officials in Thailand didn't want to hurt tourism industry by issuing a warning. Are you an expert on tsunami warning systems? I'm pretty sure that the eastern seabord has an adequate system in place, the countries in the area have enough money to put things like this in place. Do you think countries like Thailand have enough money for these systems? |
Posted By: sk8r4life432
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 3:00am
because we can help. is not like they have the financial strength to send aid to us if anything happens. and if did happen here we have all the capabilities of sending aid ourselves. they cant so they need help...duh ------------- NOUS DE`FIOUS ODERINT DUM METUANT |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 3:07am
| I see your point, but I'ma go with the "more couldnt hurt" tactic. At my school, in 2 days they made $1200 just by asking for donations, no gimmicks, nothing, and the Canadian government will match, dollar for dollar everything donated, so that's another $2400 right there. |
Posted By: SebastianBlack
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 6:44am
Actually we dont have a good warning system. Because of this, the US has decided to upgrade our system. That wont be done for atleast another 5+years ------------- FFKFASOFAA Erst wenn die Wolken schlafengehn kann man uns am Himmel sehn wir haben Angst und sind allein Gott weiss ich will kein Engel sein |
Posted By: bravecoward
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 6:02pm
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yeah yeha thread from page 2. anyways somebody posted the exact same thread pretty much and he got flamed but now dave says and everyone is with him ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 6:47pm
All that costs money... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: ericand
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 7:03pm
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since i am not in dept i am richer then usa and a new born babie that has now cash is richer then usa
do you know why because if you are not in dept you are richer then usa (you don't even have to have a singal penny because you are not in debt) isn't that somthing cool to know? ------------- dogde ball may be fun but at least in paintball if somone doesn't go out when they are hit you can shoot them again until they decide they want to give up trying to cheat soes this make sence? |
Posted By: PyroTeknics
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 7:05pm
right on ------------- 
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Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 7:35pm
Donations help pay for that stuff... |
Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 7:36pm
| All I can say is.... Too bad it didnt happen in iraq... Solve our problems for us. Of course, the downside is the loss of troops.. but Im sure america would have known ahead of time and evacuated them. Id be willing to bet that the government had prior knowledge of the tsunami, but did nothing, and didnt tell us. You have no idea what they know... |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 7:39pm
never a more ignorant thing has ever been said...  nice job------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 7:44pm
What are you talkin bout Triggerhappy, there isnt any Tsunami Warning Systems in the Indian Ocean....Hawaii and Japan are the only countries (islands if you prefer to call them that) outside the US mainland that are equipped wit the warning system and I can imagine if California was struck by a Tsunami, let alone an earthquake in which half the length of the state will slip into the Pacific Ocean causing major Tsunami's through out the Pacific Ocean, wiping out Hawaii, Japan and all the other islands on the Pacific Rim. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition! 
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Posted By: Blue Hopper
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 8:37pm
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If there was a tsunami in the desert it'd be hard to miss. You know with soldiers not even having adaquete armor on they're vehicles the government shouldn't be givin them money. ------------- Notice: The views exspressed in this post do not represent that of the Tippmann Company or the Paintball community but solely the individual who type it. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 8:50pm
i wouldnt mind if LA was wipped out, it might mean no more reality TV ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 9:22pm
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The Reality Tv part I can understand, but wipin out the hotties thats walkin around in LA.....that would be terrible! ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 9:24pm
dave none of us would expect you to do more than the minimum anyway 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 9:33pm
yeah, the hotties, that would be a loss, i suppose i could put up with the reality tv ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 9:42pm
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When I said they didnt need any money, I meant that other countries should be sending them supplies. A billion dollars can't help them if it takes 2 months for the supplies to reach Thailand. -------------
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Posted By: Ajreaper
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 9:51pm
| LOL- I'd bet a pay check most of you who posted here are to young to have payed a dime of federal tax- in fact my tax dollars and that of many others are used to help educate you, build roads I'll never drive on, fund student loans & grants I'll never derive any benefit from and that's just fine with me. We help because we can, we are able to so it's only proper that we do. It's always easier to say I've done my fair share then it is to ask what more can I do? |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 9:54pm
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Aj-When we are old enough to work, we still have to pay taxes just like you. Our taxes will pay for road we won't drive on, fund student grants and loans we'll never derive from, etc. We are trillions in debt, I think other countries that are not trillions in debt should help just as much as we are. Also, our parents pay the taxes which affects us. And out of curiosity, how much have you given to the tsunami fund? -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 9:57pm
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yeah, im 19, pay for my education, pay my taxes, and i dont know what state you live in, but i live in virginia, and unless you live in my state, you dont pay for my roads ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:02pm
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DiBi - most roads are paid for in part by Federal money...
And moreover, both of you missed Reaper's point. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:03pm
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the federal government pays for roads like interstate highways, local and state governments pay for roads in their boarders and whatnot, something like that ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:07pm
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Mostly State, sometimes local. Depends on the road. But Federal funds are part of almost every aspect of US life. Your State university, for instance, gets millions from the Federal government. EDIT - responded to the original post. My point being it is silly to say that "my/your" tax dollars don't help "me/you" because we are in different states. We are a single country. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:09pm
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yeah i dont like federal taxes, i mean they are necessary but i still dont have to like them ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Ajreaper
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:31pm
When your neighbors house is on fire do you hold back your asstance waiting to see what others on the block are going to do? Offering help in a time of great need is not about what others are going to do or should do it's about what can you do. And the simple fact is there are no other nations in the world who can have a deficit of trillions and even remain solvent. Nations, like people, can accumulate great debt only if they have tremendous resources as well. And if we are to take Daves comment literally...well I doubt what he paid in taxes last year could keep that copter flying for more then a couple of hours. And what I've donated to the relief effort has no bearing at all on the point I was making...which was wasted on all but Clark apparently  .
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:36pm
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Imagine this-There is a guy in the street who has just been shot. You go over to help him, and by the time the police and ambulaces arrive you have put him in a worse state. Even if it wasn't on purpose, that guy could turn around and sue you. That's why America is eff'd up. That is also why I wouldnt help my neighbor unless I knew he wouldnt sue me. Also, I never said hold back, I said that other countries should help just as much as us. There are many other countries that could donate almost as much as us, Britian, France, Italy, etc. Finally, a billion dollars isn't going to help the people. The people who actually need the supplies are getting them. Even though the money is used to buy supplies, it doesnt help when the supplies take months to get there. -------------
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Posted By: Ajreaper
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:44pm
| LOL- no he could not, it's called the good samaritian law. Provided I act within the scope of my training I cannot be sued for my actions. And if everybody was more worried about themselves, what was in it for them, what could happen to them.....well it would be a very sad world indeed ( and the world would be absent policeman, fireman, and a all volunteer armed forces would never work). Finally we ain't sent a billion dollars, supplies will not take months to get there and money and supplies will be needed for many months so money not immeadiately spent will have a need down the road. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:44pm
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not in my state, if someone was in a car accident, and try to help them out, but but he ends up dying because he was moved, im not liable, its called the good samaratin law, basicaly if you are trying to help someone but end up hurting them as well, you cannot be sued. for instance, i used to work in a firehous. one of our guys saw an accident, the persons trachea was busted in the accident, mark got out of his car and ran to the guys car, he made a whole in his throat so he could breath, he performed a tracheotomy, the guy sued trying to get money, and the judge threw the court case out siting the good samaratin law
ah, beat me to it.. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:50pm
| Screw the good samaritan laws. If you can stand and watch some guy die in front of you, and you choose not to save him for fear of getting sued, you are a seriously cold fish. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:56pm
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no one is sayin that we would sit there and watch if we saw some guy bleeding to death right in front of us ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:57pm
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Yes, but YOU have to have some sort of medical training. If you are a regular old joe without any CPR training then, yes you are liable. That is why America is screwed up. By helping somebody you take a risk of having your own life ruined.
EDIT: Also I never said we sent a billion, I said combined. -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 08 January 2005 at 10:59pm
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Yet many people in this thread appear happy to watch tens of thousands of people die elsewhere. |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 12:28am
No, you're not, the good samaritan law protects you from that. I've really got no money except my bank account, unless Indonesians like Best Buy Giftcards!! |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 12:43am
Prevented? It was a tsunami. They would have had, at most, a few hour's worth of warning. The best thing the majority of them could have done would have been climbing onto rooftops, which might or might not have worked. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die. 
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Posted By: Ajreaper
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 9:32am
Well I did not have a tsunami but my toilet did over flow and I love best buy gift cards- if you feel the overwhelming need to give look no further. |
Posted By: slacker guy
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 10:42am
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well they wouldnt donate to the U.S. if that happened so y
donate to them ------------- 
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Posted By: DarkMachine5
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 11:26am
but they didnt excape so they need help! Of corse they wouldnt help beacuse they are so small. You can do things for people even if they wouldnt do it for you. It's called being nice. ------------- Clark Kent wrote: Real men make fun of Muslims. http://www.theqwerty.com - THE QWERTY |
Posted By: Bunkered
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 12:15pm
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To whoever said the US would have had warning time...
We would only have like an hour warning time. That's hardly enough to evacuate anyone, let alone the whole Eastern Seaboard. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 1:11pm
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All of you that are saying "its called being nice" are blatantly wrong. First off, Thailand and the surrounding countries DID NOT want to install tsunami warning systems and ocean floor monitors becauce of the expense. This was on CNN's website. Also, the help that is being spent is going towards tourists. The tourists are getting food, water, internet access, and phone access. The locals are getting next to nothing. Trust me, your money isnt going where you think it is. -------------
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Posted By: Badonka
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 3:02pm
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Sammy, you need to stop believing everything you see or hear on the news... ------------- Who happens to still be too immature to post on this forum. Good Bye. |
Posted By: Ajreaper
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 3:28pm
And how do you know where the moneys going? There was a single report that a few individuals complained the tourist were getting the aid ahead of locals- it was not widely reported nor was there a follow up saying that. I doubt any aid giver is asking are you a tourist or a local? Geez come on are you that ignorant? That clueless? You have absolutely no idea where the money's going, who's getting it and who's not and if there was a concerted effort to deal with tourist ahead of locals it would be all over CNN, NBC, CBS, ect and it has not been. And the aid is being distributed over a huge area, to 100's of thousands of people but we should not give because of a single report tourist were getting aid ahead of locals? And yes many of those countries did not yet have Tsunami warning systems in place because they are very expensive and those countries are not wealthy, in addition this type of disaster is far from common place it's likely an every 100+ year type of event so they spent the millions on more pressing needs- in essence they took a chance. Just like many home owners do not have smoke detectors or Carbon monoxide detectors. Should we not offer any assistance to people who choose to build home in the forests when we have wild fires? If you choose not to help then don't and I also hope you refuse any type of assistance through out your life because according to you no one is worthy of it. |
Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 3:30pm
Seriously. You have it completely wrong Sammy. I can't even begin to describe how you are butchering the situation. ------------- YONK~!~ |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 3:36pm
well, they already died, i doubt they are still dying, my sending money will not bring anyone back ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Tazmanian Devil
Date Posted: 09 January 2005 at 3:38pm
Disease will claim many times the numbers that the quake and tsunami did. ------------- 
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