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Topic: "I have a dream!"
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Subject: "I have a dream!"
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 9:25am

 

"I have a Dream"


by Martin Luther King Jr
[Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963]

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity.

But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition.

In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.

I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew our of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."

And if America is to a. a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California!

But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!

Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"



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Posted By: BLand
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 9:26am
Yet another history lesson/speech from Whale.

You know, we wouldn't have a day off if it werent for the guy who assassinated him. Think about it, if her were still alie or died naturally, we most likely wouldn't celebrate his greatness through a day.

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Posted By: P!NK panther
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 9:39am
i had to memorize a part of that on friday and perform it in front of my class

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 2:31pm
Bump

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 3:01pm
This man gave his life for african-american rights and look what they have done with it. They walk around with shirts down to their knees selling drugs and wasting their life.

MLK didn't die for that.


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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 3:05pm
Once again, a thread that easily shows the ignorance of our members.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 3:09pm

Yeah, Hades and Tae both seem to understand the meaning. The others just generalize and stereotype.



Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

This man gave his life for african-american rights and look what they
have done with it. They walk around with shirts down to their knees
selling drugs and wasting their life.

MLK didn't die for that.



True. He didnt die so highschool kids could crip walk down the hallways goin "OMG LOOK AT dat fiiine honey dawg!! OPP YOU KNOW ME PLAY BOI!"

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 3:35pm

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Once again, a thread that easily shows the ignorance of our members.

Sometimes, people here ask "why aren't there more female members" or "why aren't there more black players?"

Big surprise.

*rolls eyes*



Posted By: Ilovepaintball1
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

This man gave his life for african-american rights and look what they have done with it. They walk around with shirts down to their knees selling drugs and wasting their life.

MLK didn't die for that.


So?  White people and people of other ethnicities do the same.  Your just saying that because you watch to much telivision and movies.


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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 3:38pm
no, he probly walked down the hallways at his local highschool

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Once again, a thread that easily shows the ignorance of our members.


Do you live in a city wiht a large African-American population? is it possible for you to walk into your local 7-11 without getting offered "trees" or  "stuff" or have to put up with these "gangsta" douche bags everywhere you walk? Thinking they are hot stuff and own the city.

I do realize that not all black people are like that, but the large majority in Philadelphia are. And I do realize that a very large portion of white teenagers are like that. I hate them just as much. I don't hate black people, I hate **edited**ers.


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 4:03pm
Hades lives in L.A....


Posted By: hoginds24
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 4:04pm
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:


Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Once again, a thread that easily shows the ignorance of our members.


Do you live in a city wiht a large African-American population? is it
possible for you to walk into your local 7-11 without getting offered
"trees" or "stuff" or have to put up with these "gangsta" douche
bags everywhere you walk? Thinking they are hot stuff and own the city.

I do realize that not all black people are like that, but the large
majority in Philadelphia are. And I do realize that a very large
portion of white teenagers are like that. I hate them just as much. I
don't hate black people, I hate **edited**ers.


even in my small town

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 4:41pm
Still, very racist.


Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Hades lives in Los Angeles.


The stereotype your refering to started in the very county I have lived most of my life. I have seen and lived near every imaginable race/gender/stereotype of person on the planet.

I dare say there is nowhere in the world as diverse as California.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Hades lives in Los Angeles.


The stereotype your refering to started in the very county I have lived most of my life. I have seen and lived near every imaginable race/gender/stereotype of person on the planet.

I dare say there is nowhere in the world as diverse as California.


You aint seen nothing, come over to Hawaii.


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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 5:19pm
Someday, I hope to. Maybe if I ever marry, I will honeymoon there. There or Australia.

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Posted By: Jim Paint
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 5:28pm
There still is racism in my town. Not much, only the select few ignorant people.  But the fact that people will cal it James Earl Ray day really does make me mad.

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Still, very racist.


How is it racist? Because I said how black people make a mockery of MLK in an MLK Day thread?


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Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 9:51pm
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:


Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Once again, a thread that easily shows the ignorance of our members.


Do you live in a city wiht a large African-American population? is it
possible for you to walk into your local 7-11 without getting offered
"trees" or  "stuff" or have to put up with these "gangsta" douche
bags everywhere you walk? Thinking they are hot stuff and own the city.

I do realize that not all black people are like that, but the large
majority in Philadelphia are. And I do realize that a very large
portion of white teenagers are like that. I hate them just as much. I
don't hate black people, I hate **edited**ers.


I agree with the last sentence. I have a black uncle (married in) but he doesn't make an ass out of himself, wearing phat farm and saying im gonna bust a cap in your ass. It's a joke, I just laugh at them and tell them keep praticing you b-ball skills or have fun working in burger king the rest of your life. Most likely dealing drugs then flooding are prisons.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:08pm
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Still, very racist.
How is it racist? Because I said how black people make a mockery of MLK in an MLK Day thread?


Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:


Do you live in a city wiht a large African-American population? is it possible for you to walk into your local 7-11 without getting offered
"trees" or "stuff" or have to put up with these "gangsta" douche bags everywhere you walk? Thinking they are hot stuff and own the city.
I do realize that not all black people are like that, but the large majority in Philadelphia are. And I do realize that a very large portion of white teenagers are like that. I hate them just as much. I don't hate black people, I hate **edited**ers.


Hmm that right there sounds racist to me...
Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:

I agree with the last sentence. I have a black uncle (married in) but he doesn't make an ass out of himself, wearing phat farm and saying im gonna bust a cap in your ass. It's a joke, I just laugh at them and tell them keep praticing you b-ball skills or have fun working in burger king the rest of your life. Most likely dealing drugs then flooding are prisons.

Tell that to me or any one of my neighbors and you will get a cap busted in your ass. Haha, after nearly 2 years I just figured out why some member's opinion of you is what it is.

MLK was all about equal rights and respect. Show me one spot in this thread where there is any respect shown to someone of a different race.

I find it ammusing that all in the same thread, that some expect white children not to "act black" but at the same time they expect blacks to "act white."

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:17pm

Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I find it ammusing that all in the same thread, that some expect white children not to "act black" but at the same time they expect blacks to "act white."

Word.

 



Posted By: Endothermic
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:23pm
I used to think that every black person that said, "Trippin'" was some thug/gangsta. But then I got out into the world (somewhat) and started working a low-end job at a retirment home, serving food. Most of the full-timers are blacks. And you know what? They despise thugs and gangstas as much as anyone else. They also work hard. In fact, my wrestling partner at the 130lbs is black and his father is a doctor. Nicest kid you'll meet and he listen to 50 Cent.

There is no difference between a "**edited**er" and a black man. That is a fallacy, a cover-up to make the racial judgements and prejuidices "alright" to the rest of the world. There is no difference.

You try to claim that you don't make sweeping judgements and hold racial stereotypes, and yet, when someone says "thug" or "ganster" the first thing talk about is blacks. Then, to protect yourself, you say you hate **edited**ers instead of black men. To cover yourself even further, you state you hate whites that act "thug", but would you have brought that up had people not gotten on your back for being racist? Or would you have left it at that, that black people are a disgrace to Dr. King, had nobody called you out? I'm asking because I honestly don't know and won't pretend to know.

Most of these "gangsters" aren't hard core thugs, they are normal people. Just like so-called preps, emos, goths, punks, etc. There are certain ways to dress and act, but inside, they go through the same feelings you go through, they face the same struggles if not worse because the fact is, stereotypes are very real. I should know! I faced them. I'm an Asian. An Asian growing up with White parents in the South.

Sorry for the rant.


Posted By: Endothermic
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:



I find it ammusing that all in the same thread, that some expect white children not to "act black" but at the same time they expect blacks to "act white."


Define "black" and "white". While we're at it, let's define "yellow" and "red" (Asian and Native American). I'm curious.


Posted By: HondaXR
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:35pm

haha yellow and red....

I like this thread...



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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:37pm

Plenti, you're still racist, because you stereotype.

I laugh because if someone started a thread making fun of white people all of you would be up in arms.



Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Still, very racist.
How is it racist? Because I said how black people make a mockery of MLK in an MLK Day thread?


Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:


Do you live in a city wiht a large African-American population? is it possible for you to walk into your local 7-11 without getting offered
"trees" or "stuff" or have to put up with these "gangsta" douche bags everywhere you walk? Thinking they are hot stuff and own the city.
I do realize that not all black people are like that, but the large majority in Philadelphia are. And I do realize that a very large portion of white teenagers are like that. I hate them just as much. I don't hate black people, I hate **edited**ers.


Hmm that right there sounds racist to me...
Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:

I agree with the last sentence. I have a black uncle (married in) but he doesn't make an ass out of himself, wearing phat farm and saying im gonna bust a cap in your ass. It's a joke, I just laugh at them and tell them keep praticing you b-ball skills or have fun working in burger king the rest of your life. Most likely dealing drugs then flooding are prisons.

Tell that to me or any one of my neighbors and you will get a cap busted in your ass. Haha, after nearly 2 years I just figured out why some member's opinion of you is what it is.

MLK was all about equal rights and respect. Show me one spot in this thread where there is any respect shown to someone of a different race.

I find it ammusing that all in the same thread, that some expect white children not to "act black" but at the same time they expect blacks to "act white."


I could care less what MLK stood for. The only reason I like him is I get a day off of school.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:59pm
That is exactly why it is quotes. I cannot define the colors, I was using a pre-existing word of the thread to make a point.

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 10:59pm
Did I not say that I know these "gangsta thugs" aren't the only thing black people are? I don't have a problem with black people, I have a problem with individual people. If there black and they act like that, I hate them. if they are white and act like that, I hate them. If any person of any color was half decent and not a complete moron, then I'll associate with them.

But ya know what, I am racist. I'm racist against every race. Even white people. I can't stand how some white people think there better than everyone, the kind of people who won't associate with black people just because of their skin color. People are morons.

If you tell me your race, I'll gladly insult it.

I'll start off, I'm polish. I'm dumb and couldn't change a light bulb if my life depended on it. Germany took over by marching in backwards and telling me they were leaving.

I'm italian. im a dirty greaseball in the mafia who can only become pizza man, organ grinder, or leaning tower builder.

I'm lithuanian.....yea...someone is going to need to help me out here.

ya see, in the long run, it doesn't matter if I'm racist. It matters by the people I meet on an individual level.


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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 11:02pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

That is exactly why it is quotes. I cannot define the colors, I was using a pre-existing word of the thread to make a point.


How can you define anything? What are people what is the human race?


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well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.


Posted By: .Ryan
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by Ilovepaintball1 Ilovepaintball1 wrote:

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

This man gave his life for african-american rights and look what they have done with it. They walk around with shirts down to their knees selling drugs and wasting their life.

MLK didn't die for that.


So?  White people and people of other ethnicities do the same.  Your just saying that because you watch to much telivision and movies.



But still, look at the "black culture" or the "rap culture" or whatever that most, and I say that with confidence, black people belong to or at least want to belong to. MLK was a great man who faught for the rights of an oppressed people but those people have taken their rights and their new found "Victimism" and destroyed whatever they could have been. Now, there are plenty of white people that do that same crap but atleast or culture isn't obsessed with crap thats been over for 400 years and doing things that are, in my book, the opposite of what people should think are good or cool or whatever.


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 11:16pm

Why don't you explain in a little more detail, ryan, what this "rap culture" is that "most" black people either belong to or want to belong to...

Because I'm not sure what you mean.  Help a brotha out.



Posted By: Ilovepaintball1
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 11:18pm
Woah.  I have never seen Hades get into an arguement before.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 11:19pm

^^^^^^  You serious?

 



Posted By: Ilovepaintball1
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 11:21pm
Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

^^^^^^  You serious?

 



Yes. 

All I have seen Hades do is make a funny valid comment.


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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 11:23pm
He might be too green to remeber some of my lenghtly arguementative posts.

Lately I have been letting Clark do most of the winded posts.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 January 2005 at 11:23pm

Well, stick around - Hades is one of the forum's premier silliness-slapper-downers.

:)

 



Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 7:18am
sweet.

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Posted By: Dazed
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 9:48am
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

what is the human race?


A sad excuse for an "intelligent" life-form.


Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 10:31am

Okay impulse, if you could care less for what MLK did, then screw Veteran's Day. I don't care what they did, I'm just happy I get a day off.

Does that upset you? I bet it does. MLK contributed to the human race and equality just as much as our veterans, so by not caring it is very obvious how you feel about nonwhites.



Posted By: Endothermic
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 10:41am
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

This man gave his life for african-american rights and look what they
have done with it. They walk around with shirts down to their knees
selling drugs and wasting their life.

MLK didn't die for that.



Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:



I do realize that not all black people are like that, but the large
majority in Philadelphia are. And I do realize that a very large
portion of white teenagers are like that. I hate them just as much. I
don't hate black people, I hate **edited**ers.



You did state not all blacks are like that...right after you made a statement declaring what African-Americans do and don't do. And immediatly afterwards, you make another racist statment, differentiating a black man from a **edited**er.


Posted By: B_Wet A-5
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 11:07am
ya he was a great man who did great things, one of the greatest was giving all students the day off.

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Posted By: Fatman Lash
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 1:28pm
A Kid I know said we should shoot 6 more so we can have a whole week off............... I live in the most racist part of America.........

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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by Endothermic Endothermic wrote:

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

This man gave his life for african-american rights and look what they
have done with it. They walk around with shirts down to their knees
selling drugs and wasting their life.

MLK didn't die for that.



Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:



I do realize that not all black people are like that, but the large
majority in Philadelphia are. And I do realize that a very large
portion of white teenagers are like that. I hate them just as much. I
don't hate black people, I hate **edited**ers.



You did state not all blacks are like that...right after you made a statement declaring what African-Americans do and don't do. And immediatly afterwards, you make another racist statment, differentiating a black man from a **edited**er.


Well, first off, if you take a genealization to heart, thats your problem.  Whenever a stereo-type is made, it should be obviously known that not every single person.

How is differentiating a black man from a "n-word" racist? If thats racist, then wouldn't you be saying that blacks are "n-words"? I said I don't hate black people, I hate "n-words".

When I look at people, I don't judge them by their color, I judge them by their actions. I'll call a white kid a "n". Spanish, black, white, it doesn't matter to me. I'll call someone a "n" if they act like an ignorant moron.

And this isn't a debate whether or not I'm racist, because I obviously am. And I guarantee nobody on this forum can say they aren't racist. Everybody is racist at some point.




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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 3:31pm
Don't start rationalizing and justifying it with everyone being racist. I was brought up not to use words like that and to have respect for my fellow man. Generalizations and name calling one group only shows a difference in opinion, not what MLK did or did not die for. I know many people do not like cops, or any number of my other personality traits; however, to call me a name that specifically has to do with my race crosses the line.


Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Don't start rationalizing and justifying it with everyone being racist. I was brought up not to use words like that and to have respect for my fellow man. Generalizations and name calling one group only shows a difference in opinion, not what MLK did or did not die for. I know many people do not like cops, or any number of my other personality traits; however, to call me a name that specifically has to do with my race crosses the line.


But, at what point did I say I was calling anyone anything becaue of race?


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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 4:08pm

Originally posted by Plentifulballs Plentifulballs wrote:

I do realize that not all black people are like that, but the large majority in Philadelphia are.

I think this is part of the issue...



Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

This man gave his life for african-american rights and look what they
have done with it. They walk around with shirts down to their knees selling drugs and wasting their life.
MLK didn't die for that.


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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 4:13pm
The n-word alone is racist, so justifying it to just some african-americans is still wrong.


Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 4:32pm
I never justified racism. I just said everybody is racist at some point, I never said it was right.

I do believe where I live is a big part of the way I feel, but I grew/am growing up here, I can't change that. People who live out in the midwest or just more rural areas don't know what its like. I by no means live in a bad part of the city, its actually one of the only nice parts left, but it is about a 10 minute walk to get to the bad.

You know what I don't like? Being targeted because I'm white.

I would like to be able to go to my local 7-11 to get a double gulp and a pretzel or to the local pizzeria without getting offered drugs. In the past 6 months, 2 of my friends have been jumped. 1 in a black neighboorhood, 1 in a 95% black school. 1 was held at gunpoint, and they got his cellphone. You think this was a random crime? White kid in a bad part of town? Fine.....coincidence.  Friend 2, was walking to his class when in the stairwell he was confronted by 5 or 6 black kids. You know what they wanted? Bus tokens. The petty bastards wanted bus tokens. I'm sure thats another coincidence too, right? The one white kid, who sticks out like a sore thumb, gets jumped.

Now, that may sound racist, but its the criminals I don't like. Lower class maks up majority of crime. Black people make up majority of lower class.

I don't care what any of you think, call me racist, bigot or whatever. I'm don't discriminate because of skin color.


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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 4:44pm

Alright, so once again you skip around to justify previous posts. Well whatever, I'm sure the black people are only targeting whites because they in heart are the true racists. I mean, it's not like whites ever targeted blacks before. So you had a few run-ins with a minority, ohh well. I've had my fair share as an officer with the majority, and they are no different. It's common sense that in a black neighborhood there would be black criminals. Just like in a white neighborhood there would be white criminals. Oh wait, you would probably say there wouldn't be criminals at all in the white neighborhoods.



Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Alright, so once again you skip around to justify previous posts. Well whatever, I'm sure the black people are only targeting whites because they in heart are the true racists. I mean, it's not like whites ever targeted blacks before. So you had a few run-ins with a minority, ohh well. I've had my fair share as an officer with the majority, and they are no different. It's common sense that in a black neighborhood there would be black criminals. Just like in a white neighborhood there would be white criminals. Oh wait, you would probably say there wouldn't be criminals at all in the white neighborhoods.



Ok, sorry for skipping around, but I usually don't get into such heated debates.

Don't tell me you are bringing up slavery? That is complete bull. White people were slaves too, but do you hear them complaining over in europe? White people stole this land from Indians, but do you hear them complaining. Every little thing that happens in the news, you always see the race card being played. I admit I am racist, but I would never be because of a persons skin color. Am I proud of being racist? No. I'm not going to let the petty diference of skin color be my reason for hating certain people, I can find many things wrong with people on an individual basis. This all evolved from me hating gangstas, but it doesnt matter what color, I hate them the same.

I STILL DO NOT JUSTIFY RACISM.


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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 4:58pm
Phssft.. Try living in the bad part of your town. I live in a way worse neighborhood that the criminals in your town try to pretend they are.

Why cant you just say that you dislike criminals and leave it at that?

As soon as you try connecting the rest of your ignorant logical thinking, it falls apart. Lower class does not make up the largest amount of crime, that statistic only represents the criminals caught. And lower class is represented by all races.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 5:00pm
Well alright then. But when you make a comment about the n-word like that, you need to just stop talking right there. This isn't about slavery, it's about justifying your comments by continually talking about black people and how most of the ones you know are no good. Still racism...still doesn't make it right.


Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 5:04pm
He wasnt talking about slavery. He was talking about the 150 years after that were white people thought they were still better. And for the record, you, the white kid brought up slavery.

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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 5:35pm

Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

People who live out in the midwest or just more rural areas don't know what its like.

I am oddly offended on behalf of Midwesterners.  I encourage you to make your statement in Hyde Park or Cabrini Green, or just anywhere in Detroit or East St. Louis.  Or Cincinnati (Mike Tyson didn't grow up in a nice neighborhood, I am pretty sure) or Cleveland, or anywhere else for that matter...

Every city in the country has an "inner city" where the po' black folk live.

But I am digressing from the actual subject of the discussion.  My apologies.  Back to your regularly scheduled program.



Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 5:45pm
Alright, I hate criminals.

Happy?


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well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.


Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by PlentifulBalls PlentifulBalls wrote:

Alright, I hate criminals.

Happy?



somehow i doubt you learned the lesson given....

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Posted By: HGROBERTS
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 8:55pm
Originally posted by BLand BLand wrote:

Yet another history lesson/speech from Whale.

You know, we wouldn't have a day off if it werent for the guy who assassinated him. Think about it, if her were still alie or died naturally, we most likely wouldn't celebrate his greatness through a day.



but he is still great
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Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 9:27pm

I have a few black friends, and they are very nice.

I have a few white friends, and they are very nice.

There are some black people who act like a**holes and I hate them.

There are some white people who act like a**holes and I hate them.

I hate the double-standard as well.  A certain black person in the a**hole catagory calls white people "cracker" or "whitey".  But if that white person calls that black person a slur (I won't name one because of that nasty double-standard) he would be jumped and beaten up. I've seen it happen, several times, so don't say i'm racist.



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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 9:37pm

Is that really a double standard?

Ask yourself - WHY do people get upset when you call a black man a n-i-g-g-e-r, but nobody particularly cares when you call a white man a cracker?

Could it have something to do with the same reason that **edited**er doesn't make it through the forum filter, but cracker does?

Could it have something to do with how a white man can shrug off cracker, comfortable that in the end being white is mostly viewed as a GOOD thing, and not an insult, no matter what label you use; but N-I-G-G-E-R is one of the filthiest words in our language?

It is not a double standard.  It is apples and oranges.



Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 18 January 2005 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Okay impulse, if you could care less for what MLK did, then screw Veteran's Day. I don't care what they did, I'm just happy I get a day off.


Does that upset you? I bet it does. MLK contributed to the human race and equality just as much as our veterans, so by not caring it is very obvious how you feel about nonwhites.



Good for you. I'm glad we get the day off to. I espcially like are national guard. Keep people in order, like on college campuses.

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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 12:00am
Originally posted by impulse impulse wrote:


Good for you. I'm glad we get the day off to. I espcially like are national guard. Keep people in order, like on college campuses.


yeah cuz those college kids can be so dangerous when hosting peaceful protests..which is why its necessary for the police to spray them with tear gas and bring guns and riot gear...those pansy left wingers and their signs and chants..

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Posted By: Flogging_molly
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 12:24am
Stereotypes are true for the most part. Minority youth walks slow and black girls are very loud. Look around, you'll see.

One day in gym, every single black person was asleep on the floor (8 out of about 100 students)...i thought that was strange. No idea what the point of that is.

I hate loud people. I hate slow people.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 12:46am
I don't think they'll ever get it Clark. They are "immune to logic and reason," as best quoted by Badsmitty.


Posted By: Fatman Lash
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 12:48pm
I used to live next door to a crack house...................... Dunno what that has to do with anything............. I just wanted to share

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