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Posted By: oldsoldier
Subject: Air America Radio
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 8:53pm
While driving up I94 near Madison Wi in the midst of radio wasteland my radio locked on Air America, I listened with open mind, contrary to what many here think or wish that I did. Being a trucker these hour blocks are used more as a time referance and passing rather than mind numbed robot schooling.
The first thing that struck me was the total lack of imaginative humor, really bad attempts at comic assasination, parodies that made no sense and targeted at subjects and issues that could by rational people be considered insensitive and downright slanderous. Not saying that Rush or Sean are not in the same mindset, but their is a practiced humor, based on relevant issues and satire, on the right and they will attack a fellow conservative if required. Yet on Air America all I heard was attacks on Republicans, their personality, persons and policies, not one critical statement on one of their own in 5 hours.
Talk radio should be informative, and entertaining, but downright childish in their attacks makes no sense if you care to actually have an audiance that is willing "To take back America" through provoking thought, and action. Not belittling every Republican in office and every policy, while not giving the audiance even a glimpse of a workable alternative by their party of choice.
And to find their ratings to be 24th and behind the old George Nori aliens and supernatural all night wanderthon says a lot on their message and audience.
The innaugual too expensive, better spent elsewhere, was a classic, Like John Kerry would have had cheese, crackers, and club soda at the school gym for his, give us a break here folks. Look at where most of that money goes, caterers, hotels, limo drivers, basically returning money to the working man, yet to listen today you would think that 40 million was going directly to only republicans for their "war chest."
What many here refuse to admit or see without thier rose colored glasses is we are a nation "ruled" every four years by the lessor of two evils, and unfortuanatly for many, and fortuanately for many the majority of the voters picked the Republican evil with a message and a direction, rather than the Democrat evil, directionless and with no message other than "Bush is wrong". And that is no way to win an election.
And today's vote on Rice, was another shinning example of how in order to make a point you fall on your sword and alienate more Americans from your cause. Only 2, Boxer and Kerry voted No, after even Kerry's speech on how qualified she was, that was and still is his major problem, pick a direction and stay on it for god's sake.
Well sitting here without time to spell check, sitting in Black River Falls, WI truck at idle, cold, dog has to go out and I get to bed for I have to get up to drive again in 8 hours, and make more money so my taxes can be mis-spent by the this terms resident evil.
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Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 8:59pm
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Agreed.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 9:00pm
I usually only listen to NPR if I ever flip to the AM side of the dial.
John Stewart is pretty good on TV.
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Posted By: Monk
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 9:37pm
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Posted By: P!NK panther
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 9:56pm
im to lazy to read that.
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Posted By: paintballu
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 10:03pm
Hades wrote:
I usually only listen to NPR if I ever flip to the AM side of the dial.
John Stewart is pretty good on TV. |
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 10:06pm
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P!NK panther wrote:
im to lazy to read that. |
No one cares..dont post..
I agree with everything you just said. I dont want to say the entire democratic party does that, but a lot of democrats do act childish in their attacks on Bush. Not to mention the younger soon to be democrats. I cant walk around school without hearing a Bush insult. Its just sad....
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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 10:10pm
Well it's not like he doesn't make it easy...
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Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 10:21pm
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Hey OS doesn't that make you want to invest in satelite radio. Sometimes its better to turn the radio off then lisen to the garbage on it
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 10:28pm
OS needs an iPod.
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well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 10:50pm
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Rabble, rabble, rabble. I could post everyday about the stupid crap Bill O'reilly says about democrats yet I don't. So stop it with the "democrates is teh sux" stuff. It's not always your way OS, it's always a two way street.
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Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:05pm
CarbineKid wrote:
Hey OS doesn't that make you want to invest in satelite radio. Sometimes its better to turn the radio off then lisen to the garbage on it |
Air America is a sort of liberal propaganda channel on Sirius satellite radio.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:07pm
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No kidding, but apparantly, the liberals are the only ones who spread propaganda.
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Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:30pm
Good to see you OS.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:41pm
Ask kerry a question on tuesday. Then later ask him the same question on wednesday. You will get a different answer. For me, thats what made me vote for the other guy.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 19 January 2005 at 11:44pm
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What an exhaggeration. Okay, so if we're spouting mindless babble about politicians. Ask Bush how to spell Baghdad, hell he probably thinks it's spelled B-O-O-M.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 12:08am
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Air America sucks. Al Franken sucks.
But there is good radio in Madison, if you snoop around the dial. Their local sports guys just got nationally syndicated, for instance.
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 1:41am
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You and I have at least one thing in common, OS, we both like to stir up trouble at work!
No matter how dry Air America radio is, it will never surpass Rush Limbaugh's "deport all drug addicts" show, all the while pounding oxycontins like M&Ms.
That's what gets the republican party time after time-they take the moral high ground only to get knocked off of it. They get you guys' votes every four years on the moral "Jesus land" ticket, and make the same human errors as anyone else. Only their embarrassment is greater because of their soapbox speeches. And still you keep on voting for them. You guys are either very forgiving or easily duped.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 1:52am
goodsmitty wrote:
No matter how dry Air America radio is, it will never surpass Rush
Limbaugh's "deport all drug addicts" show, all the while pounding
oxycontins like M&Ms.
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Kinda like Michael Moore telling people to leave Brad Pitt and whoever
he was dating's personal lives alone when he is busy snooping around
for crap about public people so he can make another "documanetry"?
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 2:02am
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Brad Pitt never maliciously attacked a country for misguided reasons. Big difference.
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 2:05am
Dune wrote:
Brad Pitt never maliciously attacked a country for misguided reasons. Big difference. |
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Where did you draw that from?
I was just pointing out how ironic it was.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 2:07am
Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 3:12am
Darur wrote:
goodsmitty wrote:
No matter how dry Air America radio is, it will never surpass Rush Limbaugh's "deport all drug addicts" show, all the while pounding oxycontins like M&Ms.
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Kinda like Michael Moore telling people to leave Brad Pitt and whoever he was dating's personal lives alone when he is busy snooping around for crap about public people so he can make another "documanetry"?
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The difference is that Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and Tom DeLay are public figures who present themselves as moral icons but are just as dirty as the people they attack. Brad Pitt is a public figure who keeps his business to himself, and people should respect that.
What are you guys doing awake now, anyway? I work (or I'm paid to be here, anyway) at nights. Are you night owls?
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:30am
Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 6:26am
Hey Dune, please explain to me why the single issue of the war is your main point. Examples of other bad wars, lets see 274 dead and wounded in Kosovo and not a word, 18 dead in Mogadishu and not a word, depends on who throws the war, and the media bias of the time doesn't it. By the way we are still there, Clinton lied, threw an unjust war or two, and we were only to be there a year. All presidents and governments lie, ask any American Indian.
All wars are misguided in someones views, from the American Revolution where a minority forced a war of Independance against the crown and the Tories suffered, to today, all wars have someone who says it it wrong.
And I suppose if Kerry was elected all our domestic as well as foriegn relation problems would go away, through his intervention America would again be the shinning light and no one in the world will ever wish us harm, or want what we have, as long as a Democrat is in office.
You are excellant at throwing stones, yet I rarely see you voice your leanings or opinions on how it should be done other than "Bush" is wrong. You can quote line and verse from your parties playbook, yet through your glasses see no fault among your own. And since I do not take all the time in the world to spell check, and correctly use grammer, in your view my opinion is flawed.
As I stated and you seem to gloss over in your targeting, we are governed by the lessor evil each four years, this time America choose the Republican evil over the Democratic evil, for many of the reasons explained, no clear message, never staying on message, and the mean sprit of the attacks by the media may have also finally backfired (ie CBS, Micheal Moore).
I was a career soldier, I fear war more than most, for I have seen up close and personal mans inhumanity towards his fellow man. Attrocities unbelievable to your eyes, and sometimes for whatever reason or hidden agenda, we as soldiers try to do good in a world that today only cares to see the bad, "If it bleeds it leads", and no one cares about the people we as Americans try to give a glimmer of hope and maybe to see how we live, and one day maybe achieve that goal, as we have, free from oppression and tyrants.
In my opinion be it as it may, once we found the first mass grave, and other signs of attrocities against the people, the war at that point was as justified as finding Dachau illregardless of the WMD issue, which by the way was supported by a good percentage of Democrats who had the same information "Bush" did. And we forget those speeches from those on the left side of the aisle on WMD's in Iraq from President Clinton through whenever the "I never supported the war" shift.
General Giap was ready to throw in the towel after Tet 1968, but the American media saw it as a defeat for America, rather than the NVA/VC, giving the North a new angle in which to fight the war, in the American media, that is what prolonged the war to its final conclusion.
The terrorists/insurgents can read and understand history, and again the major media is an unwitting allie in thier quest for getting Bush.
Once the Democrats find a path, a clear message other than Bush is wrong and an idiot, only then may people like myself listen, but when the only prevailing theme is my President is an idiot, liar, and wrong, my country again is wrong in freeing a people from oppression, my religion is wrong, my personal values are wrong, I do not pay enough in taxes, etc, Americans such as myself will become more offensive minded in projecting our views, and defensive protecting what we see as our way of life. Maybe if the Democrats find that message of unity and reach out to the Red Staters, instead of calling us illeterate, bible thumping morons for voting for who we believed was the lessor of the two presented evils, then and only then will we begin to listen, and maybe someday agree.
End of breakfast message, time to make more money so I can feed into the Republican war chest, and I am called narrow minded, opps I forgot, Red Stater....sorry......
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 12:55pm
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I didn't agree with many of the conflicts Clinton pushed us into, nor did I agree with Korea and Vietnam, both of which had Democratic backing at times. However, the main point was Iraq because that is the here and now, something that still can be changed. I fight a different war OS, I fight it on the streets with criminals, drug addicts, child molestors, and every ounce of poverty you can think of. I have no remorse for bashing a man that looks beyond his country's problems to another country, regardless of party affiliation. In the here and now that man is Bush, if Kerry would have pulled or continued along the path of Bush then he would be in my scope. What you fail to see is your overgeneralization of the entire democratic party has led you to complain about things that happen on both sides. Your obvious love for this war confuses me, like it does for anyone that truly believes it was just and that America's true problems did not need to come first.
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 1:58pm
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Alrighty then, I just got back from Iraq, again. "Liberal Media Bias" is all the more apparent after seeing the things the way they are over there in person, and then seeing how the same things are reported in the news here.
Air America is a joke, as widely publicized as it has been, it still draws less than half the audience of the "Savage Nation", of which you'll hear nothing in the mainstream media.
I spend alot of time listening to talk radio at work, both to liberal and conservative shows, and I have to say that the liberal shows seem to be the most vitriolic.
They are free to say whatever they like, though the subjects remain the stupidity of George Bush (who has a higher IQ than Kerry), and the misguided war in Iraq.
In order for liberals to rally people, they need to represent the government as an enemy. They want us to be afraid of the government, to hate it, so that we will rally behind them.
What we really need to fear are our unelected leaders in Hollywood, who answer to no one, not to us, nor to our government.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 2:51pm
Are you referring to Arnold? Or rich people in hollywood?
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:00pm
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Wow, it must be the cool thing to avoid the oncoming traffic in this two way street of an issue.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:25pm
TRAVELER wrote:
...it still draws less than half the audience of the "Savage Nation", of which you'll hear nothing in the mainstream media.
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Oh, the same Mike Savage that got his show on MSNBC (I think that was the station) pulled from the air for telling a homosexual man who called into his show to "You should get AIDS and die, you pig."
Im sure that was just part of that damned liberal media, pulling that little gem of TV, right?
TRAVELER wrote:
What we really need to fear are our unelected leaders in Hollywood, who answer to no one, not to us, nor to our government.
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Wait, we are the ones trying to spread paranoia?
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:35pm
Dune wrote:
Wow, it must be the cool thing to avoid the oncoming traffic in this two way street of an issue. |
Don't waste your time on it. This is a Republican-rhetoric practice thread, nothing more.
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:42pm
Dune wrote:
Brad Pitt never maliciously attacked a country for misguided reasons. Big difference. |
Depends on where you get your information. I really doubt you've
took the time to even try and prove wrong one of the points you saw in
Fahrenheit 9/11. Go watch Fahrenhype 9/11 with an open
mind. I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 and it did have a point of two,
but most of it was so out of place and forced I don't see how anyone
could honestly believe all of it.
And I don't think the war should be protested near as much as it has,
considering we have more people aborting babies in one week than have
been lost in the entire war on Iraq.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:42pm
Ejp414 wrote:
Dune wrote:
Wow, it must be the cool thing to avoid the oncoming traffic in this two way street of an issue.
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Don't waste your time on it. This is a Republican-rhetoric practice thread, nothing more.
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Yeah, but I'm tired of backing down from "liberal media is teh suxors" posts that seem to flood the forum when our government is questioned.
Comparing aborted babies to the war? Wow, yeah I guess I can see the similarities...oh wait, no I can't.
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:47pm
Dune wrote:
Ejp414 wrote:
Dune wrote:
Wow, it must be the cool thing to avoid the oncoming traffic in this two way street of an issue.
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Don't waste your time on it. This is a Republican-rhetoric practice thread, nothing more.
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Yeah, but I'm tired of backing down from "liberal media is teh
suxors" posts that seem to flood the forum when our government is
questioned.
Comparing aborted babies to the war? Wow, yeah I guess I can see the similarities...oh wait, no I can't. |
Your not even trying to see my point.
I'm not saying liberals suck, nor have I ever. As a matter of
fact, most of my friends are liberals because I live in a Southern
school where the rednecks feel like they have to prove something and I
stay away from them.
But the liberals will raise such a fuss about a war and people dying for the "wrong reasons".
But look at the conservative point of view. Aren't innocent babies dying for the "wrong reasons" as well?
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:48pm
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tippy_182 wrote:
considering we have more people aborting babies in one week than have been lost in the entire war on Iraq.
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...Sigh...
You were right EJP....
Ejp414 wrote:
This is a Republican-rhetoric practice thread, nothing more.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:51pm
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Abortion is a completely different issue and much deeper than "for the wrong reasons." I understand what you're trying to prove. But in that case, I'll argue that the Death Penalty is cruel and unusual and shouldn't be allowed. However, you'll say that they are dying for the right reasons. With such a difference of what is a right reason you cannot compare abortion's reasons to that of war. First off, for the death penalty and war, it is the government's decision on who gets to die, which is IMO wrong. With abortion, and once again in my opinion, comparing the mother's wishes to the government's is ridiculous and irrelevant.
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:52pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
tippy_182 wrote:
considering we have more people aborting babies in one week than have been lost in the entire war on Iraq.
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...Sigh...
You were right EJP....
Ejp414 wrote:
This is a Republican-rhetoric practice thread, nothing more.
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Theres no point in debating with you, because anytime a valid point is
proved all you say is were comparing apples to oranges. But if
you decide to make a point like stated above, then we
conservatives are to "ignorant" to see it from your point of view.
Nice job breeding a double-standard
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:56pm
Dune wrote:
Abortion is a completely different issue and much deeper
than "for the wrong reasons." I understand what you're trying to prove.
But in that case, I'll argue that the Death Penalty is cruel and
unusual and shouldn't be allowed. However, you'll say that they are
dying for the right reasons. With such a difference of what is a right
reason you cannot compare abortion's reasons to that of war. First off,
for the death penalty and war, it is the government's decision on who
gets to die, which is IMO wrong. With abortion, and once again in my
opinion, comparing the mother's wishes to the government's is
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Thank you for at least arguing my point instead of quoting and making a moronic remark....
I see what your saying, but the majority of the people fighting in the
war now are their on their on will, not because they were forced.
The mothers that walk into clinics and have an abortion preformed are
going on their own free will as well.
I understand fully your point, and think it could go either way.
I just think that with everything going own in our country and world
today, the war is made out to be alot worse than it really is.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 4:59pm
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tippy_182 wrote:
anytime a valid point is proved all you say is were comparing apples to oranges. But if you decide to make a point like stated above, then we conservatives are to "ignorant" to see it from your point of view.
Nice job breeding a double-standard
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So wait, how did you get that from my one post in this thread where I actually said somthing?
Point where I said "apples to oranges" out to me please.
Ive never said that conservitaves are too ignorant. I often have many an intelligent debate with Senn, and its fun to actually debate with somebody who has some common sence. Dont attack me perasonally, that makes you look ignorant.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:00pm
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Maybe, at least when comparing death toll you're right. However, just because one death toll is smaller than another, it doesn't mean it should be allowed to be continued. There are certain issues more pressing then abortion, death penalty, etc. Bring these fathers, brothers, sisters, mothers, uncles, etc. home before more are killed under false pretenses is in my opinion the first thing that needs to be done. OS complaining about an obvously biased and pointless radio station, all the while perpetuating the same things he was complaining about by failing to recognize both sides of the issue is a useless and mindless propaganda push.
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:08pm
Dune wrote:
Maybe, at least when comparing death toll you're right.
However, just because one death toll is smaller than another, it
doesn't mean it should be allowed to be continued. There are certain
issues more pressing then abortion, death penalty, etc. Bring these
fathers, brothers, sisters, mothers, uncles, etc. home before more are
killed under false pretenses is in my opinion the first thing that
needs to be done. OS complaining about an obvously biased and pointless
radio station, all the while perpetuating the same things he was
complaining about by failing to recognize both sides of the issue is a
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I definently think OS knows about both sides of the story, he just choses to write about the side he feels is right.
And what debate isn't filled with propaganda? No matter how far a
debate gets it's always going to come down to some rumor someone saw or
heard off a website or movie.
I think the people that dislike Bush now are really going to hate him
and the end of this term. I feel that he will become alot more
vocal and deadlocked on his decisions now that he doesn't have to worry
about being re-elected.
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:11pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
tippy_182 wrote:
anytime a valid point is
proved all you say is were comparing apples to oranges. But if
you decide to make a point like stated above, then we
conservatives are to "ignorant" to see it from your point of view.
Nice job breeding a double-standard
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So wait, how did you get that from my one post in this thread where I actually said somthing?
Point where I said "apples to oranges" out to me please.
Ive never said that conservitaves are too ignorant. I often have
many an intelligent debate with Senn, and its fun to actually debate
with somebody who has some common sence. Dont attack me perasonally,
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Nice job pulling the ignorant card after I just mentioned it
And do you not think I remember you posting in every thread about Bush
that comes up. I can tell what you stand for because of what you
post, in fact, I can tell what you stand for just from your christmas
gifts when you got the two Micheal Moore films.
To call me ignorant for the one post you made is simply stupid, knowing
that you post as a hardcore liberal in every political debate.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:12pm
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There is a difference between knowing and respecting opposite sides and relentlessly being "immune to logic" as I have found often that is the easiest way to act like the "liberal media" is the devil. There is no show of understanding, nor any differentiation between democrats, liberals, and those that choose the rights of the individual rather than the moral majority. Respect is just thrown at his and other's feet because of their age and military service. All the while he and others can blatantly bash democrats while I and a few others have been threatened with guesting, strikes, and other penalties for "bashing our leader." There is no sufficient "fair and balanced" ideals, especially here.
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Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:18pm
Dune wrote:
There is a difference between knowing and respecting
opposite sides and relentlessly being "immune to logic" as I have found
often that is the easiest way to act like the "liberal media" is the
devil. There is no show of understanding, nor any differentiation
between democrats, liberals, and those that choose the rights of the
individual rather than the moral majority. Respect is just thrown at
his and other's feet because of their age and military service. All the
while he and others can blatantly bash democrats while I and a few
others have been threatened with guesting, strikes, and other penalties
for "bashing our leader." There is no sufficient "fair and balanced"
ideals, especially here. |
I know what your talking about, people do give him respect for serving
in the military. I'm not saying it should happen to the degree
that it does, but he should be proud of serving for our country.
And I havn't seen anyone been threatened with a guesting for debating
him, so I can't really say nothing about it without sounding stupid.
I don't think OS is doing anything wrong about stating his opinions,
but posting everytime he sees something wrong with the liberal media
will cause nothing but an out-of-control debate. Like you said,
their is liberal bashing everyday on TV, but I think If you post
everytime you see something on TV or hear it on the radio, then people
start to see you as annoying, and your views go without the respect the
would normally recieve.
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:20pm
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:24pm
Dune wrote:
I agree with you. |
I never thought I would ever hear that, nice to know.
Made my day
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:37pm
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I apologize if I come off harsh in my posts, I really do.
I have changed my views on things over time, mostly the war in Iraq. I do support the war in Iraq, but ask me the same question 8 months ago and I would have been sworn against it.
I do try and see the other side of things, but that dosent mean I agree with it.
Lets try this with a fresh start, shall we?
*extends hand*
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:42pm
Posted By: tippy_182
Date Posted: 20 January 2005 at 5:44pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
I apologize if I come off harsh in my posts, I really do.
I have changed my views on things over time, mostly the war in Iraq.
I do support the war in Iraq, but ask me the same question 8 months ago
and I would have been sworn against it.
I do try and see the other side of things, but that dosent mean I agree with it.
Lets try this with a fresh start, shall we?
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Man, what a day. I have new respect for you and Dune.
I accept your apology, and I realize I can be very opinionated as well, and I hope you will accept mine as well.
(You ever realize when someone apoligizes how big of a jackass you acted like?)
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 12:56am
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Watch out! O.S. has his "logic and reasoning filter" on again:
[QUOTE=oldsoldier]Hey Dune, please explain to me why the single issue of the war is your main point. Examples of other bad wars, lets see 274 dead and wounded in Kosovo [Are the serbs still in Kosovo killing the Albanians? Are U.S. soldiers being killed in the balkans daily? I think we can call the mission in the balkans a "success" or, Mission Accomplished!" and not a word, 18 dead in Mogadishu [what are you talking about? Are we still in Mogadishu?] and not a word, depends on who throws the war, and the media bias of the time doesn't it. By the way we are still there, Clinton lied, threw an unjust war or two, and we were only to be there a year. All presidents and governments lie, ask any American Indian.
You are excellant at throwing stones, yet I rarely see you voice your leanings or opinions on how it should be done other than "Bush" is wrong [How about, we shouldn't have gone in the first place, and we need to leave for a leaning?]. You can quote line and verse from your parties playbook [Can you see outside of "party lines"? This is not about Democrat/Republican or Liberal/Conservative, it is about right and wrong. Quit writing off his opinions as Liberal or partisan because they do not agree with your own., yet through your glasses see no fault among your own. And since I do not take all the time in the world to spell check, and correctly use grammer, in your view my opinion is flawed.
As I stated and you seem to gloss over in your targeting, we are governed by the lessor evil each four years, this time America choose the Republican evil over the Democratic evil, for many of the reasons explained, no clear message, never staying on message, and the mean sprit of the attacks by the media may have also finally backfired (ie CBS, Micheal Moore).
I was a career soldier, I fear war more than most, for I have seen up close and personal mans inhumanity towards his fellow man. Attrocities unbelievable to your eyes, and sometimes for whatever reason or hidden agenda, we as soldiers try to do good in a world that today only cares to see the bad, "If it bleeds it leads", and no one cares about the people we as Americans try to give a glimmer of hope and maybe to see how we live, and one day maybe achieve that goal, as we have, free from oppression and tyrants.
In my opinion be it as it may, once we found the first mass grave, and other signs of attrocities against the people, the war at that point was as justified as finding Dachau illregardless of the WMD issue, which by the way was supported by a good percentage of Democrats who had the same information "Bush" did. And we forget those speeches from those on the left side of the aisle on WMD's in Iraq from President Clinton through whenever the "I never supported the war" shift. [If Dune forgot Kosovo and Mogadishu with a total loss of 400 lives, you forgot Rwanda and Sudan worth 5 MILLION. What did we do about those atrocities?]
Once the Democrats find a path, a clear message other than Bush is wrong and an idiot[I think that you perceive any argument, no matter how factual, as a personal attack on your Fuhrer], only then may people like myself listen, but when the only prevailing theme is my President is an idiot, liar, and wrong, my country again is wrong in freeing a people from oppression, my religion is wrong, my personal values are wrong, I do not pay enough in taxes, etc, Americans such as myself will become more offensive minded in projecting our views, and defensive protecting what we see as our way of life. Maybe if the Democrats find that message of unity and reach out to the Red Staters [unity, like oppress more **edited**s-who are also Americans], instead of calling us illeterate, bible thumping morons for voting for who we believed was the lessor of the two presented evils, then and only then will we begin to listen, and maybe someday agree.
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-Zesty
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Posted By: goodsmitty
Date Posted: 21 January 2005 at 1:13am
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///O.S. Logic Filter v 2.011 on-line////
///You are now safe from liberal hate speech///
oldsoldier wrote:
Hey Dune, please explain to me why the single issue of the war is your main point. Examples of other bad wars, lets see 274 dead and wounded in Kosovo [Because the mission in the balkans is a success. How many albanians got killed yesterday?]and not a word, 18 dead in Mogadishu and not a word, depends on who throws the war, and the media bias of the time doesn't it. By the way we are still there, Clinton lied, threw an unjust war or two, and we were only to be there a year. All presidents and governments lie, ask any American Indian.
And I suppose if Kerry was elected all our domestic as well as foriegn relation problems would go away, through his intervention America would again be the shinning light and no one in the world will ever wish us harm, or want what we have, as long as a Democrat is in office.
I was a career soldier, I fear war more than most, for I have seen up close and personal mans inhumanity towards his fellow man. Attrocities unbelievable to your eyes, and sometimes for whatever reason or hidden agenda, we as soldiers try to do good in a world that today only cares to see the bad, [You just choose to ignore atrocities in Rwanda and Sudan that cost 5 million people their lives, because your republican programmers didn't see any oil to pump out.] "If it bleeds it leads", and no one cares about the people we as Americans try to give a glimmer of hope [to any country with oil we can exploit]and maybe to see how we live, and one day maybe achieve that goal, as we have, free from oppression and tyrants [and freedom from surplus oil].
The terrorists/insurgents can read and understand history[actually, they are illiterate, which is why they are so easily turned into fanatics. They don't know anything about history], and again the major media is an unwitting allie in thier quest for getting Bush.
Once the Democrats find a path, a clear message other than Bush is wrong and an idiot, only then may people like myself listen, but when the only prevailing theme is my President is an idiot, liar, and wrong, my country again is wrong in freeing a people from oppression, my religion is wrong, my personal values are wrong, I do not pay enough in taxes, etc, Americans such as myself will become more offensive minded in projecting our views, and defensive protecting what we see as our way of life[After two years of reading the threads, I am convinced that any argument in opposition to your own is instantly labeled as liberal, hate-speech, or immature.]. Maybe if the Democrats find that message of unity and reach out to the Red Staters, instead of calling us illeterate, bible thumping morons for voting for who we believed was the lessor of the two presented evils, then and only then will we begin to listen, and maybe someday agree[doubtful].
End of breakfast message, time to make more money so I can feed into the Republican war chest, and I am called narrow minded, opps I forgot, Red Stater....sorry...... |
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Posted By: oldsoldier
Date Posted: 22 January 2005 at 7:27am
Naw, it is actually just a time consuming passion of instigating some sort of give and take debate, instead of the sometimes mindless wanderings this forum sometimes takes.
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Posted By: slacker guy
Date Posted: 22 January 2005 at 10:34am
Bango wrote:
Agreed.
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