Vegetarians/Vegans?
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Topic: Vegetarians/Vegans?
Posted By: rancidpnk13
Subject: Vegetarians/Vegans?
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:36pm
anyone here on the forum a vegetarian or a vegan? I'm a vegetarian, i've been one for about a year now. Why did you decide to become vegetarian/vegan? I did it because of the ways that the animals are treated before they die and the fact i actually care about animals more than just which one will be my dinner.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:36pm
I could go for a hamburger right about now.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:38pm
Frozen Balls wrote:
I could go for a hamburger right about now.
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i was waiting for the stupid comments...
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:40pm
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Im not a full vegetarian, but becuase of religious reasons I dont eat pork or catfish or things of that sort.
I could very easily go full vegetatian though, I dont really eat meat that much, and I often eat alot of vegetarian foods (Phooney Meats) and they arnt that bad.
I respect vegetarians alot, its not easy to do it in the society we live in.
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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:41pm
My friend is full vegan...he's insane.
I personally was a vegetarian about a year about, but I stopped because
it was too hard to get my necessary amount of protein for what I was
doing.
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:45pm
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Eating meat is good for you.....
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=grill - http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=grill
Funny article...Dont know how much of it is true though......
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:47pm
Being a vegitarian is one thing, being a Vegan is soemthing else.
A Vegan diet is one of the most unhealthy diets. Rufusing to eat
even honey because bees made it is plain stupid. Vegan's loose a
lot of intake of importent vitamins and minerals unless they take
suppliments.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:48pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
Frozen Balls wrote:
I could go for a hamburger right about now.
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i was waiting for the stupid comments... |
Hey, at least I got it out of the way nice and fast.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:49pm
VisionIMP wrote:
Eating meat is good for you.....
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=grill - http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=grill
Funny article...Dont know how much of it is true though......
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Ugh...
Friends dont let friends link to Maddox.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:50pm
grow the hell up
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Posted By: impulse
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:50pm
Meat Vegetarians
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:50pm
Somebody else will eat the animal you were going to eat, so why does it matter?
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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:51pm
--edited-- Just deleting some crazy weird case of double posting.
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:53pm
haha....i think hes funny...other times hes completely wrong....I disagree with most of his points.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:55pm
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:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
grow the hell up |
Who was that directed to?
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:56pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
grow the hell up |
Who was that directed to?
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EVERYONE!
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:56pm
VisionIMP wrote:
Eating meat is good for you.....
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=grill - http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=grill
Funny article...Dont know how much of it is true though...... |
Bastard....beat me to it.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:57pm
well, the animal is dead, does it really matter how it was treated? its a cow, i dont think it really cares if he he gets the water bed or the king size standard matress. Its dead, eat it. Its a chicken, i dont think it cares where he lives, and its food to every other kind of animal.
what defines a vegan, i know they arent vegetarian, not quite, but what is a vegan
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:57pm
PlentifulBalls wrote:
VisionIMP wrote:
Eating meat is good for you.....
http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=grill - http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=grill
Funny article...Dont know how much of it is true though......
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Bastard....beat me to it.
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hahaha!
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 9:59pm
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
grow the hell up
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funny, cuz i thought that caring was a sign of maturity....
it is hard to be vegetarian, but morningstar farms has lots of great fake chicken, burgers, wings, etc. tofu isnt too bad, just make sure you get your protein, i need to buy vitamins...
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:00pm
i'd eat people if it was legal
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:02pm
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:04pm
you know what tastes better than fake chicken?
hmm real chicken! oh wait...i cant eat that though...the big bad humans
touched the poor little chicken oh my! don't you know that chickens
have feelings! and a right to be here! how dare you filthy humans touch
such an innoncent thing!
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:04pm
DBibeau855 wrote:
well, the animal is dead, does it really matter how it was treated? its a cow, i dont think it really cares if he he gets the water bed or the king size standard matress. Its dead, eat it. Its a chicken, i dont think it cares where he lives, and its food to every other kind of animal.
what defines a vegan, i know they arent vegetarian, not quite, but what is a vegan |
so if its dead, that makes it ok to torture and abuse it first? people seem to think just because its going to die it can't feel anything. to make an extreme metaphor: if i rape and torture a girl, and then kill her, is it ok? because she's dead so what does she care?
vegans dont eat any animal products....dairy, cheese, gelatin (which i don't eat), wear leather, etc..
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:06pm
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
you know what tastes better than fake chicken?
hmm real chicken! oh wait...i cant eat that though...the big bad humans
touched the poor little chicken oh my! don't you know that chickens
have feelings! and a right to be here! how dare you filthy humans touch
such an innoncent thing!
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i started this thread to see something, not to start an immature flame post, you eat meat, thats your decision. whats with people and not leaving other people the hell alone? i dont eat meat, you do. what do you care if i dont eat meat? am i telling you not to eat meat? no. if you want to eat it, than fine. so do us all a favor, either make a mature comment or shut up.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:08pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
to make an extreme metaphor: if i rape and torture
a girl, and then kill her, is it ok? because she's dead so what does
she care?
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hahahahha
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:09pm
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rancidpnk13 wrote:
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
you know what tastes better than fake chicken?
hmm real chicken! oh wait...i cant eat that though...the big bad humans touched the poor little chicken oh my! don't you know that chickens have feelings! and a right to be here! how dare you filthy humans touch such an innoncent thing!
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i started this thread to see something, not to start an immature flame post, you eat meat, thats your decision. whats with people and not leaving other people the hell alone? i dont eat meat, you do. what do you care if i dont eat meat? am i telling you not to eat meat? no. if you want to eat it, than fine. so do us all a favor, either make a mature comment or shut up. |
Consider the source of the comments and dont let them get to ya.
Yeah, Vegans are kinda nuts, I dont get them. Anyway, protien can be fully supplied to the human body sans meat easy. Protien is in eveything, especially the soy found in many vegetarian foods.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:10pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
you know what tastes better than fake chicken?
hmm real chicken! oh wait...i cant eat that though...the big bad humans
touched the poor little chicken oh my! don't you know that chickens
have feelings! and a right to be here! how dare you filthy humans touch
such an innoncent thing!
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i started this thread to see something, not to start an immature
flame post, you eat meat, thats your decision. whats with people and
not leaving other people the hell alone? i dont eat meat, you do. what
do you care if i dont eat meat? am i telling you not to eat meat? no.
if you want to eat it, than fine. so do us all a favor, either make a
mature comment or shut up. |
when you start talking like a little whiney asshole about how animals
have feelings too and how horrible it is to eat meat then that's when
someone has to step in...you didn't simply just ask who else here was a
vegetarian
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:10pm
Im not contributing to anything, the rabit i ate in my stew this afternoon was already dead. The butcher put it in the blender for me
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:11pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
Consider the source of the comments and dont let them get to ya.
Yeah, Vegans are kinda nuts, I dont get them. Anyway, protien can be fully supplied to the human body sans meat easy. Protien is in eveything, especially the soy found in many vegetarian foods. |
i actually wish i could go vegan, but soy milk isnt too tasty and i happen to love cheese...so i figured vegetarians better than nothing, its hard living so close to Philly, since i used to eat cheesteaks like crazy..but just gotta keep up my willpower. The veggie burgers at Burger King are pretty good i think. yeah protien isnt hard to get, iron is tho.
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:12pm
Man, do I love Shocker.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:14pm
but i have a completly serious question right here...
if you think it's wrong to eat a living thing?
then isn't eating a carrot wrong? I mean come on...It's classified as a
living thing...It is alive doing its thing...Then someone comes along
and plucks him away from his home and it dies...It was murdered just
for your eating pleasure, you bastard!
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:14pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
Consider the source of the comments and dont let them get to ya.
Yeah, Vegans are kinda nuts, I dont get them. Anyway, protien can be fully supplied to the human body sans meat easy. Protien is in eveything, especially the soy found in many vegetarian foods.
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i actually wish i could go vegan, but soy milk isnt too tasty and i happen to love cheese...so i figured vegetarians better than nothing, its hard living so close to Philly, since i used to eat cheesteaks like crazy..but just gotta keep up my willpower. The veggie burgers at Burger King are pretty good i think. yeah protien isnt hard to get, iron is tho. |
Well the reason Iron is in red meat is because things with red meat, ala cows, eat grass, which contains iron. Food like Spinach is an awsome source of iron.
Besides I see no reason to go vegan. Cows are not killed in the process of milking.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:16pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
DBibeau855 wrote:
well, the animal is dead, does it really matter how it was treated? its a cow, i dont think it really cares if he he gets the water bed or the king size standard matress. Its dead, eat it. Its a chicken, i dont think it cares where he lives, and its food to every other kind of animal.
what defines a vegan, i know they arent vegetarian, not quite, but what is a vegan |
so if its dead, that makes it ok to torture and abuse it first? people seem to think just because its going to die it can't feel anything. to make an extreme metaphor: if i rape and torture a girl, and then kill her, is it ok? because she's dead so what does she care?
vegans dont eat any animal products....dairy, cheese, gelatin (which i don't eat), wear leather, etc.. |
Are you kidding me? Killing a cow and raping a girl are two completely different things. One its a bloody cow! And two its a girl, a human being. Raping a killing a girl is completely different from getting some fried chicken at KFC.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:18pm
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
but i have a completly serious question right here...
if you think it's wrong to eat a living thing?
then isn't eating a carrot wrong? I mean come on...It's classified as a
living thing...It is alive doing its thing...Then someone comes along
and plucks him away from his home and it dies...It was murdered just
for your eating pleasure, you bastard!
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carrots, and vegetabls have no brains or nervous systems, therefore cannot feel any pain. plus most of them are just there to spread seeds, not the actual plant.
yes i realize that killing a cow and raping a girl is completely different, my point was just becaues its going to die doesnt mean it cant feel or it makes it ok to treat it like that, IMHO.
yeah, but i think spinach is yucky...i gotta eat more of it until i like it lol, same goes with asparagus
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:20pm
DBibeau855 wrote:
rancidpnk13 wrote:
DBibeau855 wrote:
well, the
animal is dead, does it really matter how it was treated? its a cow, i
dont think it really cares if he he gets the water bed or the king size
standard matress. Its dead, eat it. Its a chicken, i dont think it
cares where he lives, and its food to every other kind of animal.
what defines a vegan, i know they arent vegetarian, not quite, but what is a vegan |
so if its dead, that makes it ok to torture and abuse it first?
people seem to think just because its going to die it can't feel
anything. to make an extreme metaphor: if i rape and torture a girl,
and then kill her, is it ok? because she's dead so what does she care?
vegans dont eat any animal products....dairy, cheese, gelatin (which i don't eat), wear leather, etc.. |
Are you kidding me? Killing a cow and raping a girl are two
completely different things. One its a bloody cow! And two its a girl,
a human being. Raping a killing a girl is completely different from
getting some fried chicken at KFC. |
dude..but its a freakin cow!!
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:23pm
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rancidpnk13 wrote:
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yeah, but i think spinach is yucky...i gotta eat more of it until i like it lol, same goes with asparagus |
Steam some spinach, mix with cream cheese and bread crumbs and mushrooms, bake untill bubbly.
Mmmmmmm
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:23pm
so if killing a cow for food is fine, how come people don't shoot their dogs, cats, gerbils, snakes, any other pets and eat them? i mean, its food isn't it? why is it ok to eat some animals but disgusting, barbaric, etc to eat others?
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:24pm
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
rancidpnk13 wrote:
. yeah, but i think spinach is yucky...i gotta eat more of it until i like it lol, same goes with asparagus |
Steam some spinach, mix with cream cheese and bread crumbs and mushrooms, bake untill bubbly.
Mmmmmmm |
hmm, sounds pretty good, i dunno about the bread crumbs tho...i'll have to try it tho
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:26pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
so if killing a cow for food is fine, how come
people don't shoot their dogs, cats, gerbils, snakes, any other pets
and eat them? i mean, its food isn't it? why is it ok to eat some
animals but disgusting, barbaric, etc to eat others? |
dog tastes nasty...and there isn't enough meat on gerbils and
hamsters...thats why we adopted them as pets because their so cute and
can be kept in a house...i mean if dog tasted good...don't you think a
lot more people would be eating dog?
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:26pm
Hmm. I have teeth designed for tearing and slicing meat. Therefore I am supposed to eat meat.
Animals are raped and killed without being eaten so I dont feel that is a good arguement not to eat them.
Animals eat animals, what makes humans biologically different? Animals eat humans too. Get over it.
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:26pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
rancidpnk13 wrote:
. yeah, but i think spinach is yucky...i gotta eat more of it until i like it lol, same goes with asparagus |
Steam some spinach, mix with cream cheese and bread crumbs and mushrooms, bake untill bubbly.
Mmmmmmm
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hmm, sounds pretty good, i dunno about the bread crumbs tho...i'll have to try it tho |
You can switch them out for the fried onion topper you put on greenbean cassarole.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:28pm
All forms of animals are eaten somewhere on the earth.
What is concidered pets in one place is dinner elsewhere.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:30pm
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
rancidpnk13 wrote:
so if killing a cow for food is fine, how come
people don't shoot their dogs, cats, gerbils, snakes, any other pets
and eat them? i mean, its food isn't it? why is it ok to eat some
animals but disgusting, barbaric, etc to eat others? |
dog tastes nasty...and there isn't enough meat on gerbils and
hamsters...thats why we adopted them as pets because their so cute and
can be kept in a house...i mean if dog tasted good...don't you think a
lot more people would be eating dog?
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all of those things he listed are eaten as food, girbals are eaten as a delacasy in south american countries, and all the rest, some culture or another just loves killin and eatin em
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:32pm
Hades wrote:
Animals are raped and killed without being eaten so I dont feel that is a good arguement not to eat them. |
yeah, its called "hunting" but we wont go into that here...
Hades wrote:
Animals eat animals, what makes humans biologically different? Animals eat humans too. Get over it. |
i agree totally that theres nothing biologically different between us and animals. but animals don't line up millions of other animals for massive slaughter each and everyday, how many people here would eat an animal if they had to kill it themselves? and how many would do it without a gun?
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Posted By: rootsradicals
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:32pm
honestly, I've thought about it. But then I was like "wait...im 6'1"
175 lbs and play varsity hockey...i need to bulk up." So meat is a HUGE
source of protein for me, which I obviously need. Protein shakes are
also a huge part of my diet, along with a ton of healthy foods. But
anyways, huge respect to anyone who believes in all that, AND follows
through with it. I hate people who are
all like "they torture teh cows!!" and all that....then they're sowin
down some triple cheese from Hardees a couple times a week.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:34pm
DBibeau855 wrote:
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
rancidpnk13 wrote:
so if killing a cow for food is fine, how come
people don't shoot their dogs, cats, gerbils, snakes, any other pets
and eat them? i mean, its food isn't it? why is it ok to eat some
animals but disgusting, barbaric, etc to eat others? |
dog tastes nasty...and there isn't enough meat on gerbils and
hamsters...thats why we adopted them as pets because their so cute and
can be kept in a house...i mean if dog tasted good...don't you think a
lot more people would be eating dog?
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all of those things he listed are eaten as food, girbals are eaten
as a delacasy in south american countries, and all the rest, some
culture or another just loves killin and eatin em |
oh well then i guess thats why we americans are a bunch of softies
you people take food way too much for granted...talking about the best
brands of tofu while people are barely surviving on rats in other
countries
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Posted By: newport
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:34pm
Get off his **edited**ing case people. He made the conscious choice not to eat meat; respect his decision and deal with it. Christ.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:37pm
Other contries, the church i go to in DC sometimes, i know for a fact some families there, the holes they live in are infested with rats. They eat them for dinner.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:37pm
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
oh well then i guess thats why we americans are a bunch of softies
you people take food way too much for granted...talking about the best
brands of tofu while people are barely surviving on rats in other
countries
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and how much are you doing to help them out? don't sit here and tell me that i take food for granted and bring in people starving in other countries, because i doubt you send your Big Macs and steaks over to them either.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:41pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
Hades wrote:
Animals are raped and killed without being eaten so I dont feel that is a good arguement not to eat them. |
yeah, its called "hunting" but we wont go into that here...
http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/top_news/story/292ab5e01 - I was refering to this actually...
i agree totally that theres nothing biologically different between us and animals. but animals don't line up millions of other animals for massive slaughter each and everyday, how many people here would eat an animal if they had to kill it themselves? and how many would do it without a gun? |
I think the same people would eat the same amout. The reason why the animals are lined up and slaughtered is because that is the effective manner in which humans have deviced to get the food on the table the cheapest and most time effcient manner. There are people in this world that still hunt and kill for their food, the rest of us just dont have the time.
I dont see the people that lived pre-modern farming techniques having any trouble eating meat.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:44pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
oh well then i guess thats why we americans are a bunch of softies
you people take food way too much for granted...talking about the best
brands of tofu while people are barely surviving on rats in other
countries
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and how much are you doing to help them out? don't sit here and
tell me that i take food for granted and bring in people starving in
other countries, because i doubt you send your Big Macs and steaks over
to them either. |
how do you even use that as an argument against my statement?
i worship food...food is good...i love food...i'm happy to be as lucky
as i am...i'm not whining about what i can and can not eat over some
ridiculous accusations that animals are equivalent to human beings
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:45pm
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:45pm
I am not on his case, he can eat what he wants to. I could care less.
But statement that are incorrect need to be corrected on both sides of the issue.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:46pm
Hades wrote:
I think the same people would eat the same amout. The reason why the animals are lined up and slaughtered is because that is the effective manner in which humans have deviced to get the food on the table the cheapest and most time effcient manner. There are people in this world that still hunt and kill for their food, the rest of us just dont have the time.
I dont see the people that lived pre-modern farming techniques having any trouble eating meat. |
that story was just sickening...
i think the same amount of people would eat the same amount, but how many of these people would be around if you couldnt just walk up the street and eat? If we were to get this large without the standard eating practices, how many people would starve because we ate every living thing? if you notice the lack of meat industry in countries and even in america before it was as big, look at the population too. i think you'll see that there weren't as many people around then either.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:50pm
I agree on the story being sickening. I think most people would too and that is why it is a crime.
And I am lost as to the point of your last post. Sorry.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:51pm
:ShockeR_ratm: wrote:
how do you even use that as an argument against my statement?
i worship food...food is good...i love food...i'm happy to be as lucky
as i am...i'm not whining about what i can and can not eat over some
ridiculous accusations that animals are equivalent to human beings
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food is good, i agree. i'm not saying that animals are Equivalent to humans either, or else they'd be the dominant species. i'm simply stating that i dont think that just because we dominant means we have the right to do what we do to these animals. i feel very lucky to have what i have.
i realize its not that easy to help people like that either. and i'm sure if he could that he would too. I was simply saying that just because i am so privilaged (once again, this is my opinion) i can just treat animals however i want and kill a ridiculous amount of them to use as my dinner and whatnot.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:54pm
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I agree on the story being sickening. I think most people would too and that is why it is a crime.
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lemme try and clear it up. you said you think that the same amount of people would eat the same amount. I was stating that if there wasn't a Mcdonalds, resturant, or whatever on every corner, then how many people would survive on their own? We kill so many animals because we ahve so many people to feed, but if they had to hunt, kill, and feed themselves, how much smaller would the population be? Between the weak dying of starvation, or us just killing off all the animals and starving etc...
was that better? if not i dont really know how to explain it better, maybe someone could help me out? lol
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:55pm
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My favorite are those who say they are vegitarians and think they know exactly how a slaughter house works. Seeing as how I worked at one, I can counter anything you say about the 'tourturing' you say happens. The animals are raised, and their care takers are good people and actually CARE about the animals. I can't even tell you how many times I watched as the workers would go out and pet the chickens. Hell, even one guy gave some of them names. Living space is tight for them, and in the end, yes their heads are chopped and the feathers are plucked, but it's in that order. they NEVER pluck first, cut second. When the heads are severed, they won't feel a thing.
I like those people who give pets human personalities. They think that animals think the same thoughts as humans, but their brains do not contain the capacity to conjur such thoughts.
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Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:59pm
what's this sense you speak of ^^
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Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 10:59pm
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:01pm
I think I now understand what your trying to say.
Sure meat consumption would be less, but even in places where meat is still limited and fresh killed, it is still consumed.
I dont disagree with ones choice to not eat meat. I believe that anyone can do anything they would like to as long as it doesnt hurt any other human including themselves.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:01pm
Snipa69 wrote:
My favorite are those who say they are vegitarians and think they know exactly how a slaughter house works. Seeing as how I worked at one, I can counter anything you say about the 'tourturing' you say happens. The animals are raised, and their care takers are good people and actually CARE about the animals. I can't even tell you how many times I watched as the workers would go out and pet the chickens. Hell, even one guy gave some of them names. Living space is tight for them, and in the end, yes their heads are chopped and the feathers are plucked, but it's in that order. they NEVER pluck first, cut second. When the heads are severed, they won't feel a thing.
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ive never claimed to know how every slaughter house works. But i'm sure that not every slaughter house is as nice as your was. And i'm sure all those chickens, cows, etc. would prefer to live out in the wild and such. Probably have a better chance of suriving too lol. i also know that animals don't contain the same thought ability as humans, or i'm sure they'd have found a way for them to slaughter and eat us haha.
Incase your wondering, i know you aren't necessarily talking directly to me or attacking me, so don't think that i took offense or anything. how many chickens were killed a day at your slaughter house, on average (if you know)?
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:01pm
OMG SAVE THE ANIMALS
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:03pm
Mehs wrote:
OMG SAVE THE ANIMALS
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we got past that part, thanx for being stupid anyway.
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:08pm
I have no idea of the numbers, I only supervised aspects of the animals growing processes, such as weather or not it was a healthy enough chicken. If it wasn't fit to be eaten, it would be sent to a farm where it could live in the 'wild.'
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:09pm
rancidpnk13 wrote:
Mehs wrote:
OMG SAVE THE ANIMALS
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we got past that part, thanx for being stupid anyway. |
NO, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, THE ANIMALS MUST BE SAVED, DON'T EAT ANY, LET THEM ALL LIVE.
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Posted By: rancidpnk13
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:14pm
Snipa69 wrote:
I have no idea of the numbers, I only supervised aspects of the animals growing processes, such as weather or not it was a healthy enough chicken. If it wasn't fit to be eaten, it would be sent to a farm where it could live in the 'wild.' |
hmm...what exactly constituts as "healthy enough" i assume that would mean no diseases, disfigurements, and over a certain weight?
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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:33pm
Usually yes. Sometimes you can tell by discoleration of the feathers. If the base of the feathers is discollered, out they go.
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Posted By: B_Wet A-5
Date Posted: 25 January 2005 at 11:47pm
didnt feel like reading everyones coments but u must be one skinny dude. the best non vegitarian breakfast is A Bagel with bacon egg and cheese this is the breakfast of champs. who can agree with me. and may god have mercy on your soul for not eating one.
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Posted By: metalpunx
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 1:05am
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i'm sure all those chickens, cows, etc. would prefer to live out in the wild and such. Probably have a better chance of suriving too lol. |
How can so many people be so wrong. If the animles would thrive as much in the wild we wouldnt domesticate them. We would just go threw the wild with big nets and get them for free.
Yes animles should be treated moraly no unesisary torture but when it comes down to it we dont kill them any more brutaly then nature if anything they suffer much less.
If you belive in evolution then we have the right to eat animles because we evolved to do so. If your a christian you can because God said its ok. If your a budist tough break you have an unatainible standerd to reach.
the thing that pisses me off the most with these holy then thou veg/veag's (I abstain for the animles)is the hipocricy of it all. I was in an old school punk band and there are alot of these phycos in the punk seen specificly6 this one girl. She was telling me it was wrong to kill animles and with in five minutes killed a spider WHAT THE #%*)&% #%)*&) 059454 3#_(%0935489089!!!!!
BUGS DONT COUNT? I love all you people but dang sometime you say and do /belive things that are so stupid because its the cool thing to do that &(^*^$& .
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Posted By: Homer J
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 7:23am
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You obviously haven't heard of something called a FOOD CHAIN. WE ARE PART OF IT, NOT SEPARATE FROM IT.
It wouldn't be economical for the animals to be "tortured" anyway, because it would cause a lot of stress hormones to be released into the meat, giving it a nasty flavor, and toughening it. People wouldn't buy it. And don't post any links to propaganda, like PETA, because I'll write it off as B.S.
That's also why, with less experienced hunters, the meat has a gamey taste. It happens if the deer or other prey doesn't die right away. You pay for it with tough, gamey meat. Especially with bow hunting. As you get more experienced, you kill the animal quicker, and get better meat. It pays to kill animals humanely.
As for hunters "raping and torturing animals without eating them", I take offense to that. ALL the hunters I know or have ever talked to (and I know a lot of hunters; practically all of my family, and many more people that I know) keep the meat from the kill. Also, all of them, and myself included, believe it is IMMORAL to waste any animal you kill. The "raping and torturing" part doesn't represent even a slim percentage of legitimate hunters, and just makes you sound like an idiot.
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Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 7:31am
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If we were not supposed to eat meat, it would not taste so good.
We are part of the food chain, on the top.
The animals are going to die anyway...
Some people just need to grow up.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 11:02am
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Some practical advice for the Western vegetarian: Develop a liking for Indian food (as in "from India"). Other foods from that region will also work, but can be harder to come by.
The problem with Western veggie-food is that it is trying to pretend to be meat. Hence veggie-burgers, tofu-burgers, soy-turkey, and other meat-wannabe dishes.
Indians have a long history of true vegetarian cuisine, without trying to pretend to be meaty. Visit any Indian restaurant, and they will have a large selection of vegetarian dishes (including some that will help your dislike of spinach). And cooking Indian at home isn't hard either.
Stop eating meat substitutes, and start eating proper vegetarian meals.
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Posted By: maroon out
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 11:33am
The majority of transmission fluids contain fish oil. So technically, vegans shouldn't use cars. Or at least transmission fluid that contains fish oil.
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Posted By: metalpunx
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 2:25pm
yeah or shower because your killing millions of dust mites and dont take antibiotics because that kills bacteria oh and so does your imune system so you should probly get aid's also that will help.
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Posted By: slacker guy
Date Posted: 26 January 2005 at 4:47pm
VIVA LA MEAT
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Posted By: metalpunx
Date Posted: 29 January 2005 at 10:46pm
mmmm meat its what for dinner.
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Posted By: DrexelSkaPB
Date Posted: 29 January 2005 at 11:34pm
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Ted Nugent has a good cookbook, you should all read into it.
It's called "Kill it and Grill it"
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Posted By: metalpunx
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 12:44am
i prefer grill it and scrape it then grill it then eat it.
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 1:09am
Give me a break.
A good portion of you guys really need to grow up.
To whoever started the thread:
I'm a vegetarian.
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Posted By: Iplayinmysleep
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 1:45am
prop for your comitment guys, me, I eat meat but cannot kill or watch animals being killed, it makes me sick to my stomach.
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Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 1:50am
Tae Kwon Do wrote:
Im not a full vegetarian, but becuase of religious reasons I dont eat pork or catfish or things of that sort.
I could very easily go full vegetatian though, I dont really eat meat that much, and I often eat alot of vegetarian foods (Phooney Meats) and they arnt that bad.
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dont you work at mcdonalds?
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Posted By: tippmann89c
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 5:04am
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I love beef jerky. i love serloins. chicken. roast beef. any meat. i hunt deer and turkey a lot. fresh fried turkey is some of the best meat you will ever taste. first u sit there for a few hours, then u shoot it, then u gotta pull the feathers out, then u cut it down the middle, then you cut away the breasts, then you fry it up. yup, fun. Elk jerky is sooooooo good. I could go for a double cheese right now.
so what the difference between vegetarian and vegan
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Posted By: metalpunx
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 3:35pm
you know that the vegitarian animles taste the best! hint hint. You dirty killers no i mean the the vegitarians you bad people killing stuff and not eating it, your so bad. I think you might even go to hell for that.
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Posted By: DrexelSkaPB
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 3:43pm
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Cheesesteaks from Pat's in Philly are the best meat-based food in the world. If you're ever in Philly, order a "Whiz-wit" - it's the most unhealthy thing a person could eat, but man, are they tasty...
One Pat's steak could instantly make a vegatarian wanting more.
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Posted By: metalpunx
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 3:50pm
just like on sea lab
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 3:58pm
all i can say, the only reason to go vegitarian in my mind would be for a diet, if you have high colesteral and whatnot. If you are concerned about pain and all that the animals go through. My aunt is vietnamese, and when the family gets together and goes fishin and crabin, we gotta ask her if she wants crab, and if she does, we take the crabs, give em rubber bands, and take a nail and a hamer, and put nails trough the brain, then she says she can eat them. Shes very budhist.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 4:42pm
metalpunx wrote:
you know that the vegitarian animles taste the best! hint hint. You dirty killers no i mean the the vegitarians you bad people killing stuff and not eating it, your so bad. I think you might even go to hell for that. |
Congrats. If given a long enough period of time, everyone becomes an ass in the end.
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Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 30 January 2005 at 5:25pm
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i could never live without meat.
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Posted By: metalpunx
Date Posted: 31 January 2005 at 1:00pm
Hades wrote:
metalpunx wrote:
you know that the vegitarian animles taste the best! hint hint. You dirty killers no i mean the the vegitarians you bad people killing stuff and not eating it, your so bad. I think you might even go to hell for that. |
Congrats. If given a long enough period of time, everyone becomes an ass in the end. |
No every one has an ass in the end. thats what these debaits boil down to in the END and if you cant have a laugh about it well then guess what that makes you.
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Posted By: A-5 Pimp21
Date Posted: 01 February 2005 at 10:35pm
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Meat is the best i coud not live without it i could eat steak every night. I would rather die than be a vegitarian.
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Posted By: A-5 Pimp21
Date Posted: 01 February 2005 at 10:36pm
But I dont like to kill animals and i hate potchers
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Posted By: metalpunx
Date Posted: 01 February 2005 at 11:31pm
Potchers are the worst! I hate them so much.
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