I'm a rec baller-i stick to urban combat in the sheds on my
property-sick combat at its best

I like to modify my A-5 by hand-minimal factory upgrades-
flatline only, definately worth it

I don't have a machine shop or anything-I stick to tape, wire,
and luck

I built a push button tac-lite for my A-5 (if you want
instructions, let me know), mounted a red dot hunting sight

I was bored, so i stripped the trigger of my gun (easy thanks
to the pins)...taking a look at the trigger mechanism, i quickly
figured out how to modify the sear to make the gun a full auto
(all you need is a toothpick believe it or not)...problem is, my
rate of fire is far to incredibly high to be of any use (60 rounds a
seconds-means almost two cases in a minute--burns through a
little 12 oz in less than 5 minutes of sporadic bursts) and yes,
60bps does outshoot the cyclone...

60 balls a seconds is obviously impossible-to make things
clear-it shoots 60 airshots a second-a solid roar...only half the
paint i put in makes it through without chopping-only tried it
once-yesterday night

Anyone got ideas for more mods? AND!, anyone got any
advice on how to slow down the rate of fire to keep it from
making a mess in my cyclone/action?

I thought the highest feasible cyclic rate for an a-5 was somewhere around 15... doesn't that mean the bolt can't possibly move faster than this? Because an MP-5 has a cyclic rate of like 900 RPM, but even if you had a 900 round magazine, it couldn't possibly get this fast. I always saw the cyclic rate as the amount of time it takes for the bolt to move and return to it's original position and recock, i.e.- an a-5 can do this in one-fifteenth of a second. Oh, well I might be wrong and wrote all this for nothing.

Oh, and 60,80,90 rounds a second - isn't that about the RPS of a minigun?

DrexelSkaPB wrote: I thought the highest feasible cyclic rate for an a-5 was somewhere around 15... doesn't that mean the bolt can't possibly move faster than this? Because an MP-5 has a cyclic rate of like 900 RPM, but even if you had a 900 round magazine, it couldn't possibly get this fast. I always saw the cyclic rate as the amount of time it takes for the bolt to move and return to it's original position and recock, i.e.- an a-5 can do this in one-fifteenth of a second. Oh, well I might be wrong and wrote all this for nothing. Oh, and 60,80,90 rounds a second - isn't that about the RPS of a minigun?

haha a minispeed would be sweet-but miniguns top out at 6000, this would only get 3600...

my guess is the cyclic rate for an A-5 is listed as 15bps cause the cyclone doesnt feed to well at higher speeds-although some say 20-25 works fine

thanks to everyone who responded-if you wanna try it for yourself-let me know cause its a simply trick

Na, that's okay - I don't want to spend $300 a week on paint . You know, student loans and all are kicking my a...

crazy dave-i think i love ya man

all these people are telling me it aint possible-finally someone who has facts and has actually tried it

if you dont believe me-then dont believe me-i cant prove it-so if anyone out there doesnt believe me, pick a diffent post; im obviously a complete waste of your precious time

DrexelSkaPB wrote:   Oh, and 60,80,90 rounds a second - isn't that about the RPS of a minigun?

a minigun can shoot like what is it i cant remember but its in like the high hundreds of rounds per second maybe even 1000 rps

A vulcan cannon- the 20mm motoized gatling gun- will fire a hundred shtos a second. That is the fastest firearm in the world, and is used in the Close In Weapons System (R2D2 dome) on naval vessels to shoot down missiles and close in aircraft. The 'minigun' is a 7.62mm version of the vulcan cannon, will shoot, as I recall, about 70-80 shots a second.

Klaus, the Cyclone can only feed 15-20bps before it turns into a paint blender. A Q-loader can reliably feed 30 a second- IF you can get the marker to cycle that slowly.

Realistically, full auto is not going to be particularly useful abot 15bps or so. An M16 rifle or an M249 SAW light machinegun fire 10-12 shots a second fully auto. Some SMGs and machine pistols fire up to 15 or so. They don't go any faster becuase realistically it's jsut a waste.

At 280fps, shooting 15 a second, every six hundredths fo a second, tehre's a ballpassing a point in the air. Noone can dodge through a steam of fire like that. The only time you'll need a fully auto paintball amrker would be in close in stuff in recball- since FA isn't allowed in speedball. For clearing a room or soemthing, going full on your tippy would be nice, but an insane rate of fire is just stupid.

I've worked on this problem myself, and the only way to get this really working is to retard the cyclic rate to 15bps without the sear- but going that slowly, it wont's necessarily trigger the valve enough.

I expect that you will not find a way to make a Tippmann cycle that slowly without engaging the sear. The reason the ebolt works is because it releases the sear 15 times a second. With the mechanics of the Tippmanns, you will not be able ot get an effective and efficient full auto system without an electronic trigger system...

this is a little off topic but what is better the E-grip or the RT. i heard they all use alot more gas but with RT i can save like 25 dollers and i heard the e-grip is having a few problems but i still would like to have it.Nise job with th tooth pick put i would like a slower rate couse im not made of mony u know.i feel like **edited**!

jacob_100 wrote: let this topic end.its so annoying.u might beable to get that much bps but im shure theres chops every other shot or more.if u look at a gun shoot when its out of air it will go full auto and its pretty fast.

when the gun runs out of air, it sounds like a cripple compared to the  rate of fire the mod gets-just to give you an idea...you can here individual recrications of the bolt when it runs out

oddly enough, when i fire quick bursts of air to show it to other people, the burst sound like burps/belches-kinda funny sounding

if you dont like it, just ignore it, pretend it doesnt exist, maybe that will make you quit whining

well then follow the directions andi

Holding down the sear is a bad idea. The best one I've seen so far was a paper clip position somewhere in the trigger (can't remember). Similar to the F/A, you want to use the sear to slow down the bolt, but not wait for the trigger to activate it. Plus, anything over 15 bps will get you a punch in the face by any ref on any field. If you play in the woods with just your buddies, you should get punched in the face for going over 15 bps.

Tippmann is perfectly capable of uncapping the E-grip and increasing the Cyclone's feed rate- but there's no point or purpose for them to waste time and money to create a useless feature on a product to bolster sales. Instead, Tippmann creates practical features that are useful. An e-grip at 15 bps on a tank equipped with it's own stock feeder with a tuned trigger (JCS Duel) is a nightmare on the field (provided you know how to play not like a 10 year old).

who needs to shoot 60bps anyways.. it's senseless. Your hopper is gone in under 3 seconds...

you would need a 2000 round hopper for this to be even worthwhile. even then I doubt you can do this without shootdown.

This has been done many, many times before and has been posted many times before and it is still a bad idea. You can't control the rate of fire and will blend paint no matter what. Buy an RT or E-Grip if you want faster rates of fire.

brihard wrote: Well, mad, the point wouldn't be to spray and pray. Even on fully automatic machineguns, bursts of 3-5 rounds are generally used. The same applies to automatic fire from something rifle or carbine sized- such as a paintball marker. And as I mentioned, getting this automatic thing to work would require dropping it to below 30 BPS at least- 25 or 20 would be mroe reasonable. 20 is about twice as fast as an M16 firing on full automatic, which is fast enough as is. In a paintball marker though, with easily controlled recoil on automatic, it could still be practical for CQB use. But again, the key is reducing the cyclic rate to about 20bps... And doing that mechanically would be a real paint in the ass.

thanks man...thats exactly what id use it for...

i figured another use for it....dont throw any paint in, but fire a one heck of a monkey-bustin burst as a bit of a pregame show...gives them a reason to think twice before cheap shoting me

we're rural rec ballers up here-the only chance for autos we have are a ZAP (hey, it works, and bruce is dang good with it), four guys shooting at once, or low CO2 tanks haha...and i just figured it sounds cool and is fun to try, even if it doesnt work much

Mad Psience wrote: it's cool you discovered that but I think just getting an e-grip is more sound than using something as weak as a tooth pick. Maybe Replicate that toothpick part with steel or plastic and find a way to limit ROF better.

yeah, i thought about that, but i figured in case of a problem, the toothpick would give/break before the metal internals would, hopefully preventing damage