Illegial or not?
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Topic: Illegial or not?
Posted By: Smitty
Subject: Illegial or not?
Date Posted: 07 February 2005 at 10:14pm
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Well i know that silencers are illegial. or are they? i found this at http://www.pbgear.com - www.pbgear.com and i thought they were illegial. discuss.
http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=Ya6YKWQnJGuYaiYvULtYgW7uad_8c_8lDz0=?ProductID=07isFAY7Q24AAAD4fvfju4A1 - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=Ya6YKWQnJG uYaiYvULtYgW7uad_8c_8lDz0=?ProductID=07isFAY7Q24AAAD4fvfju4A 1 |
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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 07 February 2005 at 10:19pm
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Custom Products Custom Cylinders GSX Mock Silencer Its just an add-on ------------- Real Men play Tuba [IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1859/newsmall6xz.jpg"> PH33R TEH 1337 Dwarf! http://www.tippmann.com/forum/wwf77a/log_off_user.asp" rel="nofollow - DONT CLICK ME!!1 |
Posted By: Menohl
Date Posted: 07 February 2005 at 10:20pm
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Its a Mock Silencer.
Mock = Fake, not a real silencer, it just looks like one. 
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Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 07 February 2005 at 10:21pm
| ok. im dumb. thanks guys. |
Posted By: PAINTER-X
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 12:50am
| lol |
Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 8:28am
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But this one isn't. http://www.endgameinc.com/ - http://www.endgameinc.com/ And this combined with a LPK would be pretty quiet. ------------- A-5 E-grip Chipley Custom Carbon Graphite 16" Evil Adapter(Spyder) 32 Deg New '03 XChamber Remote Line Gun Sling Sniper f/x Stock LPK 68/4500 HPA R-5 CP Reg JCS Duel Trigger |
Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 8:36am
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As they all said its a mock silencer so it doesn't really silence the gun. Also silencers are still illegal. ------------- 
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Posted By: Unicorn
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 12:39pm
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Straight from the ATF's FAQ: (A9) Q. Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers legal? [ javascript history.back1 - Back ] A. §921(a)(24) The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication. Numerous paintball silencers tested by the Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C., Section 921(a)(24). An individual wishing to manufacturer a firearm silencer must receive prior approval from ATF by submitting an ATF Form 1 and paying a $200 making tax. If I have any further questions as to this classification, who should I contact? Please send a written request to our Firearms Technology Branch at the following address: Bureau of ATF |
Posted By: -PREDATOR-
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 3:16pm
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well obviously it does something if its wortth 50 bucks ------------- WHOEVER *reb* IS WHY WOULD YOU THINK I HAVE AN OVERSIZED SIG!?!?!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!THIS FORUM HAS THE WORST MODS EVER!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 3:53pm
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-PREDATOR- wrote:Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 3:53pm
| nothings illegal unless you get caught |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 4:01pm
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Coming from someone who can't spell cAught... ------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 08 February 2005 at 4:35pm
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Jus about everyone that knows about silencers/suppressors knows that it wont silence a shot being fired from a paintball marker especially being used on regulated paintball field...but, then again, all paintball fields will not allow such mods to be used on their fields at all. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition! 
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Posted By: AdraiVII
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 9:58am
| silencer's aren't illegal on paintball guns only on firearms. Paintball guns are airguns and do not require an explosion to propell a projectile at a high velocity, so under NO circumstances can a paintball gun be considered a firearm, therefore silencers,suppressors, and mufflers are all legal on any type of airgun. |
Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 11:52am
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The only catch is that by producing a silencer for a paintball gun is that it cannot ALSO be used on an actual gun. Take, for example, the link I posted above. It's a barrel threaded to fit an A-5 with the "silencer" built as part of the barrel. Since this COULD silence the report (BANG!) of a gun, it *would* be illegal unless they pay the tax. However, since this barrel would not work on an actual firearm, it can't classify under the supposed tax. The rule there assumes the silencer is an attachment TO the barrel, not PART of the barrel. And, those mock silencers can be easily modded to become an actual one for a paintball gun. Just don't stuff it with cotton or something similar because that doesn't help. ------------- A-5 E-grip Chipley Custom Carbon Graphite 16" Evil Adapter(Spyder) 32 Deg New '03 XChamber Remote Line Gun Sling Sniper f/x Stock LPK 68/4500 HPA R-5 CP Reg JCS Duel Trigger |
Posted By: Psycho5785
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 11:55am
Read Unicorn's post. The BATF considers paintball gun silencers to be the same as firearm silencers. Therefore, they are illegal, unless they are approved and registered. ------------- War Machine Paintball Standing up for newbies everywhere! We were all newbies once. |
Posted By: Paintball Smity
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 12:10pm
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depends on where u are located
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Posted By: tipman_drew
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 3:06pm
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Posted By: Jackal14
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 3:46pm
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According to state laws... and everything else... silencers on any fire arm which includes black powder, pellet guns, air soft, and PAINTBALL. So yes it is illegal the on from paintballgear.com is mock which is fake... just there for the looks. As far as the other one... idk, but silenerces on any fire arm is illegal in most all states, if not all of them.
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 5:07pm
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You need to understand, it doesnt matter if the silencer is a working model or not, it still "not allowed to be used on a regulated woodsball field" and if they were allowed, what would be your 1st reaction when you see someone pointing some kind of gun wit a silencer at you....do you think its an actual firearm attached to it or is it jus another paintball marker....looks can be deceiving. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: AdraiVII
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 10:14pm
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That's where I was getting the facts from... Unicorn's post! I was just trying to establish a syllogism between what is considered to be a "firearm" and an "airgun" as it relates to "firearm supression". I understand that silencers, designed or redesigned, are illegal as it relates to firearms. However, nowhere in the text does it mention anything about airguns. According to what was written in text, I was just making the cognitive distinction that "firearms" aren't and never will be "airguns". So based on the information provided, their are NO laws, provided by the ATF, governing suppressors as it relates to being applied to an airgun. Simply put... |
Posted By: Thajackal
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 11:45pm
this is the dumbest thread ever...how could it have lasted this long? this topic is retarded...im sorry but tell me who would actually want a silencer for a paintball gun? just dumb... ------------- Angels over my shoulder WDP Angel Speed |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 12:01am
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Ive seen several pics in the Marker Gallery in the past where the user thinks he can actually use it to his adavantage....yes yes I know its all ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: LordJovian
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 8:34am
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evil_fingers, you said it's against the rules to have a paintball gun with a silencer because the way it looks? So, you're also saying that mock silencers are illegal too? AND, to help settle this, check out the ATF post. Anything that is used to silence the report of a firearm. Well, let's think about this, shall we? Here's a product that reduces the report of a paintball gun- THE COMP-AIR SYSTEM (Low Pressure Kit). Now who here wants to tell me it's illegal in most states? Here's another for you- ported barrels. Which states are those illegal in? Let's talk about guns now. An Excalibur that operates off of 45 psi and is incredibly silent- anyone wanna argue that this gun is illegal? I find it quite funny that many of you are making comments about morons wanting silencers- I find it funny that all of you are using barrels with porting, which is a method of quietening (read:silencing) a paintball gun. Think first, then post. ------------- A-5 E-grip Chipley Custom Carbon Graphite 16" Evil Adapter(Spyder) 32 Deg New '03 XChamber Remote Line Gun Sling Sniper f/x Stock LPK 68/4500 HPA R-5 CP Reg JCS Duel Trigger |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 12:59pm
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Mock = Ok. Real = No. |
Posted By: You Wont See Me
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 5:54pm
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He left out a section from the ATF site.
(A9) Q. Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers legal? [Back] A. §921(a)(24) The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication. Numerous paintball silencers tested by the Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C., Section 921(a)(24). An individual wishing to manufacturer a firearm silencer must receive prior approval from ATF by submitting an ATF Form 1 and paying a $200 making tax. There you go. Yes, they ARE ILLEGAL on paintball markers. http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm - Heres the ATF website for all of you who dont quite get it. ------------- A-5 E-Grip JCS Dual Trigger DOP X-CORE 8 stage x-chamber Lapco Bigshot 14" Beadblasted Optional setup: R/T Dead on Blade trigger |
Posted By: DrunkDriver
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 6:39pm
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You don't need a silencer on a paintball gun. Where is the fun in not getting shot at? ------------- http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=260991706090alb8rs.jpg"> 
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Posted By: TIPPMANNCUSTOM
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 9:04pm
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i think silencers are the dumbest things ever who cares how loud or how quiet ur gun is
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Posted By: Mitchthesniper
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 9:09pm
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my friend had a silencer on his paintball gun and got busted. he is curntly serving 2-3 years and a $50,000 fine ------------- I shall not flag or fail. I shall go on to the end. I shall defend my island whatever the cost may be. I shall fight in the hills and in the streets. I shall never surrender. |
Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 9:51pm
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Ok now I am comfused. http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=SMpG-30gZHRG1D8tO16GU3eGQLsioeYiJlk=?ProductID=9EjAqArbfKkAAAEBAMdekfOZ - http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/S tore/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=SMpG-30gZH RG1D8tO16GU3eGQLsioeYiJlk=?ProductID=9EjAqArbfKkAAAEBAMdekfO Z It says it even cuts down on silence. Now i don't know what to believe. |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 10:07pm
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Its called a "sales pitch" smitty, dont always believe what you read from a site that is promoting a product and you already know that a mock/fake silencer is a waste of your hard earned money. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 10:11pm
| That's what i figured. I personally wouldn't buy a silencer, because what's the purpose if you can just buy a quiet barrel. |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 10:14pm
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Exactly! ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: AdraiVII
Date Posted: 14 February 2005 at 7:54am
Not exactly! Some players want to be a little more steathly than that. How do you expect to train for the military if your gun cannot replicate the sound of a bird chirp (Yes, my silencer is that good)? |
Posted By: Klaus
Date Posted: 14 February 2005 at 12:30pm
when it comes to firearms, the explosion doesnt make the noise, the noise comes from the bullet pieceing the gasses surrounding the muzzle-therefore a paintball silencer would work the same as a firearms silencer and would be illegal- picked that up off of history channel haha |