Autococker or Automag?
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Topic: Autococker or Automag?
Posted By: madpaintballer
Subject: Autococker or Automag?
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 10:15am
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Im looking to upgrade from my tippmann. I have narrowed it down to the cocker or the mag because thats what I can afford. Which one is better and why? I love the simplicity of the mag, it doesnt look like it requires much after you get the x-valve and level 10 bolt working good. Cockers also look good but are they easy to maintain? ------------- "Killing is my business...and business is good." |
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Posted By: Dazed
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 11:20am
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As long as your cocker works, it works. Don't mess with it, and don't try to "tweak" it unless you want to spend weeks getting to know your local airsmith. If they work, you wipe them down, give them a little oil, and down mess with them other than that.
Both are good guns. I shoot a mechanical 'cocker, personally. I love the hinge trigger and the way it shoots. I've slung a lot of paint with a Mag, too. It doesn't feel as good as the cocker to me. Basically, the 'Mag will be harder to screw up, and easier to fix if you do. But the 'Cocker leaves more room for upgrades and tinkering. |
Posted By: madpaintballer
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 12:04pm
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Alright, both sound good. As I said this will be my first move up from my tippmann. I forgot to mention that I will be keeping whichever one I get a mech. I dont like electrics and really have no need for one. So the option to upgrade to an eblade doesnt affect anything. ------------- "Killing is my business...and business is good." |
Posted By: choopie911
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 12:06pm
| I really like the mags... |
Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 1:02pm
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WGP Pro Stock I don't really understand Auto-Mags. EDIT: Like I mean do you build your own with the parts you can buy or something... |
Posted By: SuzukiRider987
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 5:06pm
| Get a mag. I know one kid with an 04 vert. cocker and another kid with a mag. The kid with the cocker is endlessley fixing his gun and the kid with the mag rarely has to fix it. I do like the way cockers shoot though. |
Posted By: madpaintballer
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 5:28pm
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Alright, Im really leanin toward a mag. I understand how it works. And since the first thing ill do is take it apart to see how it works the mag sounds better. Anyone that knows does the X-valve automatically come with a level 10? thats the only thing im really confused on. Other than that what trigger frame do you suggest? ------------- "Killing is my business...and business is good." |
Posted By: f@ll3n 5nip3r
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 7:22pm
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yes the x-valve will come with a lvl 10(i think) but keep in mind with the x-valve u HAVE to use compresed air and i would suggest a intelliframe ------------- anti: flatline egg 2 fender guitars cyclone xbox live gamertag:fall3n 5nip3r steam tag:fallen sniper ADD ME!!! "SO I bought an Angel, How the hell do I shoot it.." -jmac3 |
Posted By: ScarFace22
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 7:42pm
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That really doensn't surprise me. Anyway I too would say get the a RT mag. The X valve is great and will never give you problems with FSDO. Also the RTallows you to shoot very fast. It will be faser then any mechanical cocker. ------------- 
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SuzukiRider987 wrote:Posted By: madpaintballer
Date Posted: 09 February 2005 at 7:52pm
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Alright, well I guess ill start savin up for the LogicPaintball RT mag. Seems like a great price for all the options you get. ------------- "Killing is my business...and business is good." |
Posted By: Rare-Faction
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 1:38pm
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*impartial opinion* Mags and Cockers are both wonderful guns. I hope to get a ULE-bodied 'mag at some point, and I've already got a Black Magic. That said; how much are you planning on spending? Are you against buying guns used? I know you can find a nicely cared for gun for only $200 or $250. The biggest advantage of 'cockers is also it's biggest disadvantage; it's easy to upgrade. How is this a disadvantage, you might ask? It's easy to mess with something that you don't know about. I don't know very much about how to time a 'cocker; I'll admit it. I know the basic theories on how it operates, and could expain how it fires the ball, but for the life of me can't time it. However, once it's in time, you don't have to worry about it. Mine's stayed timed for almost a year now, solid. I really don't know why so many people have adverse feelings towards Mags; I think they're great. I'm not a fan of powerfeed guns, however, so that limits the bodies I'd prefer down to the Tac-One and ULE bodies. However, that's my personal choice; if you don't mind it don't make an issue out of it. I havn't shot a 'mag myself, but i can tell you this. I've played with people who own 'Mags, and when I ask them to cover me, they do it just as well as some kid with a Timmy or Angel. Keep this in mind; these are all my views on these 2 wonderful guns. Try them out for yourself and come up with your own opinion; you may find that you hate the way a 'Cocker's trigger feels (My little brother is this way). The best advice I can give is shoot both and see what you like. Enjoy! ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 3:05pm
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Both are good guns. Cockers, however, require a desire to learn and a willingness to tinker. Great fun, and very reliable in knowledgable hands, but potential disaster for the mechanically inept. Hardly ever chop, easy to clean when they do, endless upgrades. Mags are idiot guns. If you can't keep a Mag running you probably need help getting dressed. Not as many parts means not as many possible upgrades. Without lvl10 they can chop, and can be a pain to clean when they do. |
Posted By: madpaintballer
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 5:29pm
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WEll Im up for buying used guns.. Im looking at an R/T pro with x-valve and lvl 10 bolt for 260 right now which is a great price.
Im starting to understand mags more.. Basically from what ive seen, dont take apart the valve or bolt assembly and it should run fine. What really interested me was the mag i saw on webdogradio... i love how the gun shot. ------------- "Killing is my business...and business is good." |
Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 6:52pm
| mags are sooo easy to matian. i love mine. a x-valve and itellifame should be ur first ups. then a ULE or a karta body. |
Posted By: speedfreak8291
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 7:04pm
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Some mags are over 600 dalla, i say go with an 04 vert, they really good ------------- Spyder E-99 Avant Empire Reloader 2 20 oz CO2 Check It Sweet Spot Trigger 32 Degrees Spring Kit |
Posted By: SPGgeek90
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 7:50pm
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uhh madpaintballer, why did you put this poll up because all you've said is you understand how one works and have ignored everything people have said about cockers but as for which ones better it depends on your style of play, cockers are for slow down, aim, fire short, quick bursts to eliminate an opponent, Mags are more for American style aiming: shoot in the general direction till you hit it ------------- Tippmann A5 Freak barell kit Egrip trigger Comp-air LPR System X 68/4500 nitro tank |
Posted By: madpaintballer
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 7:57pm
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Well if youve been paying attention I first asked this when I was looking at both options. Ive found alot of complaints about cockers and hardly any on mags. I was sold on the mag after dazed talked about not messing with the cocker and it will be fine. I have a tendancy to take my markers apart and look at what makes them tick. So the mag is a better option for me. I was basically wondering the pros and cons of both and after reading the posts and doing some research ive decided on the mag. So yes, this isnt really a poll anymore because I have decided. ------------- "Killing is my business...and business is good." |
Posted By: FalloutMan
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 8:11pm
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if you want a gun that will out live you then get a mag, thats my personal experience on the subject. my mags have always worked, always. doesnt matter what hopper i strap on it or what paint, the gun shoots every time, the way i want it to shoot. my cocker worked good too but it didnt work every time nor has any other gun i have used and even if it performs better when its working or looks cooler, it doesnt mean crap when you are sitting on the side lines because your gun broke ------------- "They were convicted in federal court of pennsylvania for a telemarketing scam involving invention and patent fraud." |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 10 February 2005 at 8:30pm
what he said... I love cockers...ive used my friend's mag and it was OKAY. Wasn't as accurate as my cocker...it has a freak too...but maybe it was just the paint, i don't know. Its really all preference...you should read reviews and play a game or two with 'em. Have fun. I know I love my prostock (autococker) and i was going through the same thigh as you...i got the cocker and never looked back. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: SchoolU101
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 12:46pm
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I would also choose to go with a Mag. I just recently finished building a custom mech mag, and let me say, it shoots GREAT. Here are the specs:
ULE body w/ Rogue Clamping feedneck Splinter Rail X Valve w/ lvl10 & ULT 14" Evil Pipe Kit Bicycle Foregrip RPG Chimera Frame DOP Drop 68/45 Nitro Q Loader system I got the parts from RogueFactor. His name is Shawn, he's a real nice guy with good customer service and fair prices. Here's his website www.themagsmith.com I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for. Hope it helps! ------------- ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US |
Posted By: madpaintballer
Date Posted: 11 February 2005 at 10:34pm
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Now that I think of it I havent shot either one. My local shop doesnt have anything MAG related. None of my friends have cockers or mags although I have had the chance to take a few shots with an e-mag and it felt solid. ------------- "Killing is my business...and business is good." |
Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 13 February 2005 at 3:27am
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um...yeah...well...i guess you're going to have to wing it. Since you're buying online then you'd probably want to get a mag, they're easy to fix if you have a problem. Cockers, at least i've found, are much more enjoyable when you buy them from your local proshop...then, you can take it in and learn everything and anything you want about them. After I get a Nexus Kit and a All-American barrel for my cocker though, i think im going to keep it mech and get a mag, i just love those things. ------------- "According to Sue Johanson, theres nothing that can increase your manhood, trust me I've already looked into it for myself." -Zata |
Posted By: Jaster 69
Date Posted: 04 March 2005 at 12:08pm
| I would go with a cocker. The other people who have posted are right if you get a cocker e-blade it get it set how you want it,then dont mess with it. I've played with a cocker for about 4 years now,never had a problem it. And i just e-bladed it,so now ti rips. |
Posted By: Mad Psience
Date Posted: 04 March 2005 at 3:37pm
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Cocker - learn about timing.. don't even dare short-stroke Mag - keep a steady supply of O-rings in all shapes and sizes and prepare for leaks.. You'd be better off with a cocker. Unless you got an older mag.. with a Level 7. Those are indestructible. New mags aren't very user friendly.. but they do kick ass. ------------- 
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Posted By: GUNDAM_99
Date Posted: 05 March 2005 at 10:45am
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I have both and I love my mag but their just arent as many options for the mag as with a cocker. ------------- |
Posted By: Mad Psience
Date Posted: 05 March 2005 at 10:48am
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besides the option for barrel and warpfeed.. most new mags are as advanced as possible. A gun that needs upgrades is a gun that is imperfect from the factory. -------------
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Posted By: tippmannsare...
Date Posted: 05 March 2005 at 6:09pm
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i have a mag for sale it is $200 dollars here is the link http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=293513 - http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadi d=293513 if you scroll down a little bit you will find pictures of it and i have shot both the mag is better--- autocokers are good but there is nothing like a mag. |
Posted By: j2duhr
Date Posted: 05 March 2005 at 10:16pm
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NO BST. ------------- yay do i win? |
Posted By: FalloutMan
Date Posted: 06 March 2005 at 2:56pm
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um i have had my emag for 2 years now and i havent had to change a single oring and level 10 is simple to setup there just the break in period then after that its set ------------- "They were convicted in federal court of pennsylvania for a telemarketing scam involving invention and patent fraud." |
Posted By: paintballer2584
Date Posted: 06 March 2005 at 11:10pm
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auto mags are fast but it takes some money to get them that wat better of getting and o4 pro stock ------------- http://www.imageshack.us"> 
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