DBibeau855 wrote: No one said that. Life is tough for everyone at some point or another.

A-5 did, just about.  But I'm predicting more.

:)

Zesty wrote: ^You sound like a white dude who isn't proud of who he is....

Why do you say that?

Zesty wrote: It seems like you would rather discount me than try and listen to anything I have to say.

Well, so far you have mostly ranted, as best I can tell.  Not much to listen to or discount, really.  I will happily carefully address a specific point.

Why is it not possible that I am the victim? Because that's the way you make it sound.

You might be a victim - but you haven't mentioned being a victim so far (unless I missed it), only ranted.

Why is it not okay for me to voice my opinion as a white man?

Of course it is ok.  Your opinion may or may not be ok, but the voicing thereof is (almost) always ok.

PAINTBALL1 wrote: I hate reverse racism

Now why do you think it is called "reverse racism"?  How is different from just plain old racism?

...and have missed an oppurtunity at a job to someone of another race who was unqualified and the manager knew it and so did everyone else.

How can you be so sure...?

.Ryan wrote: A lot of, if not most, black people just have this victim complex in which nothing is their fault and everyone owes them everything.

Certainly true of many black folk, but I think you will find that this complex is hardly the sole domain of black people...   We are seeing some examples....

Clark Kent wrote: .Ryan wrote: A lot of, if not most, black people just have this victim complex in which nothing is their fault and everyone owes them everything.   Certainly true of many black folk, but I think you will find that this complex is hardly the sole domain of black people...   We are seeing some examples....

That's almost always true of almost all "cultural groups" (damn you, political correctness).

My advice is just let it drop. Reguardless of whom is racist towards whom ever, the bottom line is everyone is entitled to the same rights. Why sould some groups be entitled to more rights than others? (or the "right" to say what ever the hell they want with out being critisized beacuse the critisiser does not want to be labeleed as a "racist") (Yes, I'm talking about blacks and their beloved "race card")

The purpose of life is to get drunk, party all over the place, rock out, and enjoy what rights are given to you by the government. Don't let anyone prevent you from doing that beacuse they are lethargic and unqualified for a job (which the just snatched out from under you, beacuse their skin is a darker brown color than yours is.)

Wow, this post went no where. It started out with a good message, but my inferior english skills sort of caused it to go to hell. (ironicaly, english is my first and only language)

Narrow the population of the world down to 100 and you will find that white people are actually the minority, with 70 people being non-white. 50 would suffer from malnutrition, and 6 people would poses 59% of the worlds population; all 6 would be from the United States. There would only be 8 Africans in this equation. Do what you will with this information, I just thought it was quite interesting to think about.

Clark, you can't exactly wright off anyones responses as rants accept for the originator of this post. Generaly, everything else is just opinions, perhaps bad ones, but opinions none the less. Mainly, I am refering to Zesty's posts that you would only accept as a 'rant'. He has some well structured thoughts placed in to his responses here and with that being the case, you can't lable it as a rant. Why don't you post some thoughts on the subject rather than sit in the thread and try to predict what the twists and turns might bring?

Ignorance is bliss paintball1, don't try to argue with it because those who live in such bliss will seldom refuse to come out of it. You were right in what you said, that since you sat in the same class as the girl who exchanged thoughts on the subject that you both had an equal shot. The test does not know what gender is, it does not know what race is. She doesn't get a different test just because shes black, nor because she is female. She gets the same test as everyone else; the test scores at the end reflect how well she paid attention and absorbed information durring her classes. Can we be angry at her for what she said? Absolutely not. It's her opinion, and while be may be able to disagree with it, we still should respect it. Keep in mind she does not speak for the whole African American population.

And it would be nice if everyone would get the idea of 'reverse' racism out of their heads. Racism isn't just white people against black people, it's also everything else too. It can be black people against white people, asian people against arabic people, it holds no boundries.

Snipa69 wrote: Clark, you can't exactly wright off anyones responses as rants accept for the originator of this post. Generaly, everything else is just opinions, perhaps bad ones, but opinions none the less. Mainly, I am refering to Zesty's posts that you would only accept as a 'rant'. He has some well structured thoughts placed in to his responses here and with that being the case, you can't lable it as a rant.

I figure his post met the 'rant' criteria - explanation points, rhetorical questions, edited obscenities, and the obligatory "I don't care".   :)

I'll admit I read it rather quickly.

Why don't you post some thoughts on the subject rather than sit in the thread and try to predict what the twists and turns might bring?

Exhaustion.

We have had several of these threads in the last few days and weeks, and I am exhausted by them.  They all seem to go in the same direction, I seem to make the same posts, and I am just exhausted.  Maybe later I'll feel up to an actual substantive post on the subject.

:)

Someone told me that races like black and Hispanic get extra points on the SATs. I guess they were wrong?

too lazy for quote button...
Zesty said, "If you, as a Mexican person, feel it is your right to disrespect my entire race, then I feel I should be able to say whatever I want about your race without being labeled a racist. Fair is fair."

That's how I see it. If only other people did.

St. Jimmy wrote: Someone told me that races like black and Hispanic get extra points on the SATs. I guess they were wrong?

Wrong.  Not true.  Some colleges give extra admission points to minorities, but the SAT scores are neutral.

Individual test items are routinely discarded when they are statistically disfavorable to one group or another, but that is a different matter...

too lazy for quote button... Zesty said, "If you, as a Mexican person, feel it is your right to disrespect my entire race, then I feel I should be able to say whatever I want about your race without being labeled a racist. Fair is fair."

That just makes you both racists, assuming you mean what you are saying.  Racism is an attitude and a belief system, not a form of retaliation.  Words may reflect beliefs, but they do not create them.

Clark Kent wrote: http://www.calstatela.edu/centers/ckaks/census/71803_table5.pdf - http://www.calstatela.edu/centers/ckaks/census/71803_table5. pdf

Sorry Clark, but I fail to see any relevance in this link.

E-98 wrote: Clark Kent wrote: http://www.calstatela.edu/centers/ckaks/census/71803_table5.pdf - http://www.calstatela.edu/centers/ckaks/census/71803_table5. pdf Sorry Clark, but I fail to see any relevance in this link.

My point:

In every state in this country, including Hawaii, whites (as a group) do all right.  They aren't always the richest group, but they are NEVER the poorest, and not by a long shot.

In Hawaii, there are twice as many poor Pacific Islanders as there are poor whites.  That race advantage is even bigger in other states.  Whites as a group are never disadvantaged.  Not even in Hawaii, which arguably is more part of Japan than the US.

My point is this:  If God picked you up, and said "ok, do-over time.  You are going to be reborn (literally) back on your original birthday.  I will pick a random location within the US, and a random social class, and a random family, and a random body with random intellect, but you get to pick your new race.  Choose now."

Putting aside any sentimental preferences for the moment - based solely on the overall life advantage of being of one race versus another, white would be the only logical choice.  If you think being able to use "n1gger" with immunity, and the occasional affirmative action, makes up for the tremendous advantages that whites have in this country, you haven't looked around enough.

Darur wrote: Economic status plays no role in the racism towards whites in Hawaii, well a slight one, but its all about Hawaii's history. ...  You can argue all you want about how its the same as it is on the mainland, but it is not.  It may be similar, but it is not the same.

Race relations are always different from place to place.  They are very different in New York from Atlanta, from Tokyo, and certainly from Hawaii.  Local history always plays a part.  Certainly.

But to conclude from that that current economic conditions are not that important is to overlook the obvious.  When you drive around Hawaii, who lives in the little shacks on the side of the street?  It's not white people or Japanese...

Native Hawaiians grow up, remembering how this is "their" island, and then seeing how all the Japanese and haoles have most of the good jobs, more money, and don't live in shacks - how can they NOT harbor some resentment?

History is certainly a part of race relations everywhere - but so is current status.

If they get a black history week how come I dont get a white history week.

Tae Kwon Do wrote: If they get a black history week how come I dont get a white history week.

Wow, another one of these topics... Well I'm not for caucasian history week but how bout native american history week? Every day most people see at least one african american but when was the last time any of us actually saw a REAL native american? I've never met one in person my entire life.

ah... silly me.

me = exhausted

Dune wrote: Tae is being sarcastic, because someone else will probably end up saying that.

Yeah. I thought you knew me better, Clark.

well, im not racist, but the black people and the hicks at my school are always fighting.  Not because of race, but because the hicks will be nice to 'em (because the hicks at my school are actually really nice people, the basset ive ever met...like the type of guy you'd want to storm the beach on D-Day with) and the black people freak out and say "ZOMGORZ U AR3 JUST BEING NICE CAS IM BLACK YO!!1!!1!1!!"

I asked a black dude why they played the race card ALL the time and he said "I don't know, were raised that way, out parents kind of always blamed white people for everything so we just kind of got raised like that."

So pretty much its not REALLY the new generation's fault. Of course, it is in a way for not stoping the chain, but its really past generation's fault for passing hate on.  Something  can be done to stop racism, just don't talk about it.  I know its one of those "dont talk aobut it and it will go away" things.  But its true, just leave it.  Its not  worth the time and energy.  People who play the race card do it for attention.  Just like little kids scream and yell and cry for attention.   If we ignore it, they'll stop and we'll all live happily ever after.

Keep in mind im not trying to sound racist, but i hate it when people play the race card.  I actually got jumped for saying this to a group of black people while they were harassing me.  Thank god for police patrol...thats all i have to say.

I'm not racist but.....*insert racist comment here*

Get over yourselves whitey, we could never have it as bad as they have.

rockerdoode wrote: I asked a black dude why they played the race card ALL the time and he said "I don't know, were raised that way, out parents kind of always blamed white people for everything so we just kind of got raised like that."

Good point actually. But, keep in mind, when the 'new generations' parents were growing up, it WAS about race. It WAS white peoples fault back then. Not ALL white people, but enough for a generation of people to distrust us and often think of us as doing things because of race.

Children are a product of their enviroment, and there is nothing you can really do about it.

Tae Kwon Do wrote: Im not ashamed to be white, Im ashamed to be white with stupid people.

I was so overjoyed when channels like Discovery and TLC came on, since they were TV for the intelligencia, but they have been infiltrated by the J. Springer ilk as well. I mean, does watching a bunch of guys getting every other word beeped out while they build choppers really expand your mind? They should launch "Discovery Lite" for those shows.

But touch my "Monster Garage" and it's war.

Dune wrote: I'm not racist but.....*insert racist comment here* Get over yourselves whitey, we could never have it as bad as they have.

umm...was there some point to that?  Or were you just trying to be cool?

Yeah Tae, I'd have to agree with that, of course its up to them to decide if they want to **edited** about everything for the rest of their life or actually DO something about it. 

Now THAT, Dune, was racist...i think...at least its the most racist thing ive ever said.  So you, can suck it.

rockerdoode wrote: Dune wrote: I'm not racist but.....*insert racist comment here* Get over yourselves whitey, we could never have it as bad as they have. umm...was there some point to that?  Or were you just trying to be cool? Yeah Tae, I'd have to agree with that, of course its up to them to decide if they want to **edited** about everything for the rest of their life or actually DO something about it.  Now THAT, Dune, was racist...i think...at least its the most racist thing ive ever said.  So you, can suck it.

Nope, just making fun of everyone screaming reverse racism.