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Topic: West point scenario
Posted By: viper@hornets
Subject: West point scenario
Date Posted: 18 February 2005 at 1:19pm
Hello just wondered if anyone has any info on this years spring game.I know that thompsonshoter usually helps out planning.Hope to see alot of old faces and some new ones as well.

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Posted By: viper@hornets
Date Posted: 21 February 2005 at 12:34pm
planning on going possibly bringing a tank too.so is anyone going.

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Posted By: MattyJ
Date Posted: 21 February 2005 at 12:41pm
I'm definatly interested in going! Does anyone have any info on the game yet? Anything at all? Please??

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Posted By: Thompsonshooter
Date Posted: 21 February 2005 at 5:49pm
I have heard early april but that is not official. April is tight for me I hope it is the first weekend or I cannot attend.





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Posted By: whitney1
Date Posted: 21 February 2005 at 5:52pm

The dates I have from the website is April 9-10th. We'll be getting a group together from StrategicPaintball going, make sure to say hi if you're going or join up with us, we love the allies.

Engler, we need to double our efforts like the fall game, if you're in, let us know so we can do some coordinating.



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Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 21 February 2005 at 8:38pm
i may go


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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 23 February 2005 at 3:10pm
I intend to go again with a few more friends. They just got the info up on their site and, as whitney said, it's on the 9th and 10th of april. Hopefully there will be some improvements from last year. 

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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: whitney1
Date Posted: 23 February 2005 at 4:55pm

Well, the difference from the spring to the fall game was night and day. Spring they were pulled thin by an overabundance of players and last minute school changes. At the fall game the refs were everywhere. Everything that people complained about they fixed, or made a valient attempt to. They only had to contend with the fact that homecoming weekend was the same weekend as the game, so they had to be a little creative in the way they distributed players and personnel. They never did have permission to hold that game really, I was told by one of the cadets that they didn't secure the game field until the morning of arrivals.

They got they're stuff together and they should be able to put on yet another great game.



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Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 26 February 2005 at 10:42am
well hope to see you all there!

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Posted By: viper@hornets
Date Posted: 26 February 2005 at 6:33pm
I know I can't wait.Hope to have everything planned out this year better.Eric hope to see u there buddy.

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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by whitney1 whitney1 wrote:

...They got they're stuff together and they should be able to put on yet another great game.


I'm glad to hear that. I enjoyed myself quite a bit last year which is why I'm going again but I knew they could've made it much better. Let's just hope they get enough refs and a decent amount of players this spring to have a really nice game. We should all meet up there too like last year, I had a great time with OMHW.


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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 4:44pm

Regrettably, I won't be making it this year. Money and time are tight, so me and my boys are gonna skip this one.

We may be at EMR though.

Oh, Whitney, I'm looking forward to any spring games that pbmissions hosts...we had a blast out there and can't wait to get back.



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Posted By: whitney1
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 6:57pm

awesome reb! they have 5 games scheduled right now with a few more in development. we've got some of the dates on our forum, let me know what games you'll be at.

and if you want to get in on defending at castle, let me know, we can get you and your guys hooked up.



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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:27pm
Where are the pbmissions games held? I just found out that my dad couldn't get the weekend off from work for the west point game so it doesn't look like I'll be making it this year. Since I won't be making it to that most likely I'm looking for another cheap scenario in NJ/NY/PA. The only other game I have planned right now is D-day which is in July. I'd like to get to a couple other less expensive games if possible. I've heard good things about EMR but I don't know if I can make it that far out, it's quite a drive for me. Hopefully I'll be able to find a ride to west point, I'd really like to try their spring game again now that they've improved.

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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: whitney1
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 11:43pm

pbmissions is in Duanesville, NY just outside of Albany. (and they are byop for all their games!)

here's the site: http://www.pbmissions.com - www.pbmissions.com

where are you located? if you're going to skirmish and you're close to west point, then EMR isn't too far from you. it's only about a half hour south of binghampton. skirmish is still about 2 hours from that area.



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Posted By: BigEd88
Date Posted: 06 March 2005 at 5:34pm
I might go, sounds like it should be a good time.  I like the BYOP places.  You can usally get your own paint for real cheap of the net and still get good quality.

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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 06 March 2005 at 8:35pm
Originally posted by whitney1 whitney1 wrote:

pbmissions is in Duanesville, NY just outside of Albany. (and they are byop for all their games!)

here's the site: http://www.pbmissions.com - www.pbmissions.com

where are you located? if you're going to skirmish and you're close to west point, then EMR isn't too far from you. it's only about a half hour south of binghampton. skirmish is still about 2 hours from that area.



Well, I'm in central NJ so west point and skirmish are both about an hour and a half away from me. EMR is at least a half hour farther than skirmish and my parents weren't too thrilled when I asked them to take me out there. I'll check out pbmissions, maybe that will be closer. Thanks for the info.


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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: Thompsonshooter
Date Posted: 08 March 2005 at 8:18pm
Well guys I will be there.

I have asked to be the American General this time.

I sure loveed playing with you guys and kicking butt last fall.

I will be bringing my toys again this year.

I will have night vision on my AK this year too for head hunting.

E-mail me guys at the shop if you need anything.

--Eric

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Posted By: viper@hornets
Date Posted: 09 March 2005 at 4:15pm
Glad to hear that you will be attending.Hope the weather improves by then.So what is the price on the 98-Ak.let me know

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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 18 March 2005 at 10:18pm
Originally posted by Thompsonshooter Thompsonshooter wrote:

Well guys I will be there.

I have asked to be the American General this time.

I sure loveed playing with you guys and kicking butt last fall.

I will be bringing my toys again this year.

I will have night vision on my AK this year too for head hunting.

E-mail me guys at the shop if you need anything.

--Eric


Nice. I'm still not 100% sure if I can go or not but if I can then I'll definitely try to be american. Hopefully we'll stick together more this time and really do some damage. I'd like to see the game reach other parts of the field too, the fighting tended to be stuck at one place for too long and it got kind of pointless. Also, are they a little more strict with the reinsertions now or do they still just respawn people anywhere when they feel like it?


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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: Sarge14
Date Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:54pm
Ill see you all there, Ill be there with my guys, we all have the forum patches so if u spot us come say Hi,cause i have no idea what u all look like,lol. Im 6'-3" so its not hard to spot me in the open.


HOOAH

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Commo Leads the Way!!


Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 9:08pm
UPDATE: I will be at the spring game and I'm signing up for the Allies. I'll be bringing 2 friends with me, the same 2 from last year. Thompson, you're the allied general this year? If so, I'd like to stick with you guys more. Last year we got separated and I missed all your stuff in action. I'd like to see that mine thingy destroy somebody or the rocket launcher actually being fired instead of 3 of us getting shot attempting to use it (Dredly probably remembers that ). If they have missions this time instead of just attack and defend stuff then I'd really like to take part in that too. Attack and defend is fun but I'd much rather go on a mission behind enemy lines with just a handful of people. Who is else is going from last year? I think Reb and Dredly both said they couldn't make it but I don't know about PistolPete or the others.


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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: whitney1
Date Posted: 28 March 2005 at 11:37pm

We've got a total of about 20-30 it looks like from StrategicPaintball right now. Thompson has asked us to join him on the allied side and we will follow him again.

And if you need us to bury ourselves in the dirt like the fall game, so be it! We're ready to serve.



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Posted By: Thompsonshooter
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 6:25am
Thank you everyone for joining my side. We will have Blue's Crew from EMR as well.

I will have a booth setup for non-playing hours so we can use that as a staging area.

I will be in Army Camo and if they let me have generals stars on the jacket. But I will have to shave my beard for this one. No Beards in the US Army.....

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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 29 March 2005 at 7:41pm
Coolness. I'll be staying at a hotel nearby this time instead of the bunks though so I may not be around as much as last year. I'll try to stay around as long as there's daylight and maybe I'll hang out a little at night but I doubt I'll be playing a whole lot in the dark. You can't really trust people to leave when shot during the day, let alone at night and there's a lot of friendly fire too. If they do have missions to run then I'll do that but otherwise, I'm sleeping during the night play.

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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: Thompsonshooter
Date Posted: 30 March 2005 at 4:00pm
game time ends at 6pm...

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Posted By: colddawn
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 12:56pm
Hey gang, NOOB to the forum, not to paintball.. I have only ever played
woodball, but I have heard numerous times about this west point shin dig
and would love to get in on this.

BTW, I live in Albany, I dont really do the whole speedball thing, and I am
totally stoked to see that PB Missions is sprining up...

Glad there are some other options around here now.
Any info and or anything you can tell me about the west point games and
or anything that PB missions is gonna host, let me know. I will let the
peeps whom I play with know.

Thanks



Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 04 April 2005 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by Thompsonshooter Thompsonshooter wrote:

game time ends at 6pm...


Interesting....
I don't know why they end it at 6 but alright. May not even matter really because my friends just bailed on me and now I have to find somebody else to go with me. If I can't find anyone then I may just not go at all cause going alone sucks. I missed the pre-registration cause my mom hid the forms and I thought she mailed them but then I found them a few days later so I may not even get to be on the Allies now. Hopefully I'll find somebody else and there will still be space left for us. I'm dying to get back into the woods, been playing mostly speedball lately.


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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: Thompsonshooter
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 5:41am
Mod98 if you cannto find someone to go with I will put you on my team. Being General should have some pull.

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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 05 April 2005 at 8:04pm
Luckily I got my friend's brother to come with me but thanks thompson. I'd like to stick around the OMHW guys anyway though, seems like all the crazy stuff happens wherever you guys go. Gonna be cool to have somebody with a brain in charge for once, we should do some serious damage out there. Do you know if they've changed from their attack and defend setup to running missions like other scenarios? Even if they haven't it'll still be so nice to get back into the woods. I really hope it doesn't rain like last year though. The sky really took a dump on the game on day 2. I played a little anyway but it wasn't even really considered part of the scenario, we just kind of had some small speedball-like games with a few other people.

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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: colddawn
Date Posted: 06 April 2005 at 11:09am
So if you guys dont mind me asking. Who runs these at west point?
is there a league you need to be in to participate?

I only live about 1.5 hours from West Point and I have been there many
times, as my uncle was an instructor there for years.

I would like to get some people together and try to get in on the Fall
game if possible.

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Posted By: whitney1
Date Posted: 06 April 2005 at 3:24pm

the game is run by the cadets. they use it the games as fundraisers for their speedball team.

but i understand they also have a tactical competition squad now too to compete in swat style competitions.

i'm all sorts of geared up for this, is it friday yet? i want to get there and get going!



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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 06 April 2005 at 5:49pm
The site is www.armypaintball.com if you want to get more info, most of what you need to know is there. If you have questions just send them an e-mail and they'll answer within a few days. I'm looking forward to this too whitney1. I had a good time last year and this one is supposed to be much better so as long as the weather is good everything should turn out great. I have to look around at the stores for a replacement safety switch for my A5 though. Somehow it fell out of my gun during a game over the weekend and I have no idea where it ended up. I didn't even think that was possible, it must have broken in half to fall out. 

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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: HellTMO
Date Posted: 06 April 2005 at 8:04pm

I'm with you whitney1 can't wait to get this party started.

like always i'll be sporting my tippmann patches so if you see any patches just stop and say hi would like to put faces to the name, have a good and safe game guys see you all there.



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Posted By: colddawn
Date Posted: 07 April 2005 at 7:14am
Originally posted by mod98commando mod98commando wrote:

The site is www.armypaintball.com if you
want to get more info, most of
what you need to know is there. If you have questions just send them an
e-mail and they'll answer within a few days. I'm looking forward to
this too whitney1. I had a good time last year and this one is supposed
to be much better so as long as the weather is good everything should
turn out great. I have to look around at the stores for a replacement
safety switch for my A5 though. Somehow it fell out of my gun during a
game over the weekend and I have no idea where it ended up. I didn't
even think that was possible, it must have broken in half to fall
out. 



Thanks alot... I will look into it.


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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 6:22pm
Well, it was a little better than last year. They screwed up the transportation part this time but other than that I had a lot of fun. What did you guys think? Also, Thompson, we lost by a few hundred points. There were a bunch of punks there accusing Blue's Crew and just about everybody on the blue team of wiping and they wouldn't shut up at the debriefing/raffle. I think they were from Hudson Valley paintball or something. You missed some good action today, lots of interesting firefights took place. They also made some slight changes to the transportation today. They had the hummvees going from the highway to the insertion points and then they had the trucks going from the highway to the bunks. It was a good system but too many of the cadets took really long breaks and we still ended up waiting. It seems like they won't pick you up unless you start walking.

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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: whitney1
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 7:44pm

The game was good, too bad we lost due to those transportation problems. Those same people who called Blue's Crew wipers were wiping themselves. They even bragged about it on the humvees.

I do think it was odd that every time the blue side ran out of paint or air, the red team had 3 truck loads of fresh reinforcements while we couldn't even get the paint truck to come back to us. They didn't win, the game was handed to them on a silver platter.

But for all my gripes, I still had a great time. If they get a handle on the transport problems, they will be doing great. (and they also need to stop using hot-burning smoke. they kept setting fires in the game field.)



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Posted By: jamesmbaldwin
Date Posted: 10 April 2005 at 9:04pm
Hey whats up, I was the guy there using the stock-class pump.  I had a great time.  And there were some guys cheating, pretty pathetic when you have to cheat against a guy who shoots less than one ball per second.  One of the cheaters payed for it thought, he wouldnt call himself out after being hit multiple times rushing, he just kept firing, so as he ran passed I kept shooting him and nailed him a couple times in the back of the head and the dude was knocked out.  Makes it sound like im a jerk but he was firing at me with a fast semi and alls I had was a pump, I was accutally trying to shoot his googles so he at least couldnt see me to return fire.  Also those losers at the air field were over shooting dead guys, I saw them shoot a guy who was already out 25 times in the back.  The only ones who were really cheating was the two teams blues crew and the skulls, I mean I'm sure there were some honst players on, I know some of the skulls were good guys, but I saw one of there guys get hit in the googles while I was on his team, then just wipe it infront of about 5 guys.  I was on both the chinse and americans because I had to switch when it became unfair. 

But other then that the game was great, had a blast and so did the rest of my team.  It was great fun and a great game, the guy with the megaphone was doing a great job for his team also.   I think the cadets did a good job and I would recomend anyone to come.


Posted By: colddawn
Date Posted: 11 April 2005 at 8:52am
dont they have refs at this thing?
I am just asking.. I wanted to get a crew together and try to make the fall
game..

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Posted By: jamesmbaldwin
Date Posted: 11 April 2005 at 9:45am
well come up it was great, I also have to say that the blues crew may not have been cheating, the guy was hit in the pods so he may not have  felt it, but with the other team I saw two guys cheat.

The event was great and there was good reffing, I guess just some of the guys there had to be losers.  Honstly it was the best game I went to and 99 percent of the players were honst.

Go to the fall game maybe we can meet up there.


Posted By: colddawn
Date Posted: 11 April 2005 at 11:00am
Right on, I want to get down there for the fall game.
When I checked the Army paintball site they didnt have any info up for it
yet.

But It would be really cool to head down there. I have been to west point
numerous times, my uncle used to teach there. So it would be cool to play
some woodball with some serious dudes. Although the crew we play with
now are pretty serious as well.

But yeah, when the time comes I will look into it. West point is only about
and hour and 15 mins away.

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98 Custom
JJ Ceramic 12 Barrell
(now a lapco 14 Big Shot as well )
Pro Team Power Feed
EC
Rocket Cock
Double Trigger
12 & 20 oz Tank

Whats Next

12V VL Revolution
Drop Forward


Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 11 April 2005 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by whitney1 whitney1 wrote:

The game was good, too bad we lost due to those transportation problems. Those same people who called Blue's Crew wipers were wiping themselves. They even bragged about it on the humvees.

I believe it. In fact, I think a few of the people that played on with obvious hits were with the skulls now that I think about it. There were a couple people in gray shirts like the ones they were wearing that took dozens of hits before actually leaving. What bothered me the most though were the people that would call themselves out, start walking out, and then start shooting at you again. I had to shoot one guy out about 4 times before he actually left the game.

I do think it was odd that every time the blue side ran out of paint or air, the red team had 3 truck loads of fresh reinforcements while we couldn't even get the paint truck to come back to us. They didn't win, the game was handed to them on a silver platter.

That was a bunch of horse crap too. On saturday we were running them off the field at a steady pace until we all ran out of ammo and had to wait for the hummvees. I was waiting at the airfield for almost an hour before I got a ride back and I saw tons of hummvees driving through with red guys in the back. That was the only reason that the game turned on us. The reds had a full team out there and we had probably 30 guys able to fight, everybody else had no ammo.



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oreomann33: Everybody invades Poland

Rofl_Mao: And everyone eats turkey

Me: But only if they're hungary

Mack: Yeah but hungary people go russian through their food and end up with greece on everyth


Posted By: Thompsonshooter
Date Posted: 12 April 2005 at 6:07am
OK Guys,

As you know I started out the game as general after the first 30 minutes I ran with Blues Crew the rest of the day.

First off the Cadets messed up this game once agin big time. There is no control of players at all. People were cheating on the red team and I even saw the Red General wipe at least 2 times after he was worth 300 points.

People on the red team were being shot and leaving the game. While I was making sure my team at the airport was walking out when they were hit.

The Cadets were watching people get shot and not making them leave the game. They did not know what a paint check was.

The transportation was one sided, we would have to leave the field not because we were dead but because we were out of air and paint. The red team would show up and kill everyone left plus over shoot the guys waiting for the trucks. One time after waiting for a truck for 1.5 hrs I walked back. I was told it was 3 miles. The Red team was also using non field paint and hot smoke and started 3 fires that had to be put out. During a ceasefire for one of the fires the red tram advanced 100 yards under their Generals order and the refs would not push them back.

When I got back I informed the Major in charge of the mess ups and turned over my command. I was so pissed that I wanted some revenge.

I then re-inserted with Blues Crew so I can say I was with them the whole day.

I will tell everyone this once. Blues Crew DOES NOT Wipe! In fact they check each other as they go. The rule for the crew is if you are caught wiping you are not on the team anymore. I did not see any wiping by Blues Crew.

I did however see them tell others that they were hit and ask them to leave.

I did see them ask players who were removing their masks to put them back on.

I did see them give players that they did not know paint to keep the battle going for a little longer.

This game was messed up from the start. However I spent several hours talking to the Major about how to fix it for the fall game.

You will see hired refs that play paintball, you will see player refs, you will see trucks assigned to each team, and there will be better control of the game.

The cadets know they messed up and will be fixing it. They were down on head count and that got their attention.

If anyone has any problems with the game, let's do it off line so we do not hurt the cadets anymore.

Thanks,

TS




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Eric Engler
President
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Posted By: senseijim
Date Posted: 12 April 2005 at 6:43pm
Hey Engler, that is an SVD?  Nice.  Very nice!!  I always wanted one.  As I told you, I was a gun dealer for 13 years and I got to try Ak74 bored out from 5.45 to 5.56, and it was a tack driver.  It was a Polytechnics.  I prefer it over the 16, but enough real gun talk.

There were a lot of referees, but since there were so many players, and the field was so huge, there were firefights going on everywhere.  The refs stay near the main action. 

Who knows where the enemy will pop up?  We had a bad infestation of reds near the airfield and we swept the hill, but we missed a pocket of reds.  They hit one of our squads, and our guys accused them of flanking out of bounds.  They didn't.  we missed them in our sweep.  How do I know?  Well, one of my team was on the red side, and he was in that pocket.  This stuff just happens.  

I don't know about cheating.  When I started on Red at about 1130, I heard almost everyone saying that the blues were cheating.  I went over to the US side, and was with the blues.  When we got to the river, I was the guy in brown that led them around the corner and toward the Red sam site.  In all that time, I didn't see the blues cheating.

With the same generosity, I suspect that the Skulls were dealt a bad hand.  The skulls were "rumored" to be cheating, but that may be the product of an active imagination.  One thing that may have given the appearance of cheating is that a general can stop you and send you back into battle.  I met the Red general on the road and he said that I could go right back into battle.  That was cool.  I have a knee that is a little bad, and I really didn't want to walk back to the reinsertion point.  I'd walked that long walk from the airfield to the reinsert point seven times, and I ddin't want to do it again.  That general stayed near the front lines and was putting our guys back in.  That, if I may say so, was awesome. 

But, as I said, this made some people think that we Chinese were cheating. It was PERFECTLY legal.  I checked with one of the West Point guys, so I know. 

The skulls are a bunch of younger players.  If they did cheat, (and I doubt that they did) then I don't think they will next time.  I talked with a few of them, and they seemed like really good kids.   My man Tazz was watching them and said that they were aggresive and flanked well.  Tazz is hard corp old school, and he doesn't say nice things about anyone unless they earn it.  Also, their leader was the red general, and he was absolutely awesome.  A really nice person and frustrated with being stuck in the rear with the gear.  On Sunday, he got carried away, and (I could tell he wouldn't be able to stay in the rear) got too close to the front and was killed.  That cost Red 250 points. 

Rumors suck.  Did you ever notice that when a team is getting pounded, the rumors start to fly about the enemy.  Maybe no one was cheating on a team level.  It may just be rumors combined with thick brush and active imagination.

The referees were great.  They heard "rumors' that Blues crew was cheating and they sent a few refs to watch over them.  No one (as far as I know) saw any cheating.  I played both sides, so I don't look at it through red or blue colored glasses. 

Incidentally, despite the wide spread rumors about the blues, I saw Blues crew people helping a few people out.  They seemed ok to me. 

Oh, my knee kept me from walking sometime, and I would stop and talk to the referees.  One, whose name was Scott, was in my AO and I asked him what he did for "fun." His idea of fun is to play paintball.  Now, I ran a field for more than ten years, and  I think that the refs handled some pretty tough situations in a sterling manner. 

For instance, at around 2, the US team hopped on transport and went to lunch.  What do you do when a whole side disappears?   Well, you even up teams, but the reds didn't want to go blue. 

They had been fighting really hard and were extremely loyal to their team mates.  They didn't want to go Blue.  My friend Taz, a retired Army Sergeant, argued with me a few weeks ago. He said that he  didn't want to be Red (chinese.)  He has this whole US loyalty thing. But, because the reds were in need of people, he enlisted.  After he played with Force Recon, Pain, and the Raiders, but when he had the chance to jump ship, he didn't want to.  He was loyal to his communist team-mates.  I enjoyed that.  It shows that comradeship amongst "Komrades" is important.

Hey, I really felt bad that I didn't recognise you guys.  I like the fact that Big Ed had his name on the front of his harness.   I suggest we all get our forum names printed on tags, and put them on our uniforms. AT the fall West Point event, I will have mine.

Incidentally, does anyone know what the next theme will be?  C'mon cadets.  It's never too early to post the next event.  If you can't give us an exact date, then at least give us a theme.  We need to know!!  We want to collect our coolie hats, turbans, camels and ak 47 mods, so we will look the part.  Finding a decent camel takes months.  Riding him there may take a few more months.



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Posted By: Thompsonshooter
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 5:30am
It's interesting tha tI was the Blue general and was not told I could heal players.

I however was in the big battles and was people wipe in front of refs.

We will not see Blues Crew again at West Point. They were insulted and will not be back.

I think a lot of people were thinking they were getting hits but were hitting branches.

I do know that the blue team left the field because we were out of paint and air.

I have been speaking with the Major and you will see an update soon with Major changes to how things are done.

They used to draw 500 players to this event. They only had 250. He agrees it's time for a change.





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Posted By: Reb Cpl
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 8:11am

Doesnt sound a whole lot different than the game I made last year.

That sucks about Blues Crew though, When I ran into them, they were a decent bunch of guys, and invited me and my boys to EMR for their big game.

Sounds rather chaotic on the whole....I think until I hear some good reports I may just follow Dredly's route and save my money...its too bad, because I got to meet a good bunch of guys last year.

I'll keep my ear to the ground for improvements, and I've got no doubt that under Thompsons tutelage it couldnt help but get better. Good luck with it in the future, and maybe you'll see me there when its all hammered out.



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Posted By: Bugg
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 11:33am
So how was it guys? fun?

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Posted By: Thompsonshooter
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 2:51pm
if you liked the chaos lack of safety and cheating it was fun.

I did not have a good time.



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Posted By: mod98commando
Date Posted: 13 April 2005 at 9:02pm
I enjoyed the first 2 hours or so and a few parts of the second day. At the beginning everything was going great. I didn't see much cheating going on and there was a lot of intense fighting going on. Another thing that was cool was that I was coordinating the attack on the airfield from the right flank with a guy on the left and we pushed them out in no time at all. We originally headed up the road but there were tons of reds in the airfield dug in so there was no chance of going that way. Then a lot of people headed to the left flank to go through the woods but obviously the reds saw this and setup defense on the flank so I got a small group of people to head up the hill to the right with me and through there we beat up their weak right flank and began to pick apart the guys blocking the road. Once people started disappearing they sent people from the left flank to fill in their spots and that's when we pushed up and I told our guys on the left to make a push. It worked great and we took the airfield very quickly. I think somebody said we got it in less than a half hour. After we secured the airfield we kept advancing and we were making great progress until we started running out of supplies. This wouldn't have been such a problem if the hummvees would've picked some of us up instead of only getting the reds but we got shafted. It got to the point where we had only about 30 guys left that were running low on ammo and they had almost their whole team with full air and paint. We put up a fight but obviously we couldn't hold out for long and they reversed everything we did when the game started.

After that it just got really hard to get the whole team out there at once so we couldn't really come back from that. There was one point on sunday when we pushed our way to the red base and captured it but the refs had to help us out. We were extremely outnumbered and having a lot of trouble. I also noticed that a lot of people were shooting hot and using non-field paint. I was shooting at about 280 which was the field limit and there were red guys shooting much farther than me without flatlines. I had one of those bounce off of my head and it actually got me a little dizzy for a second because it hit so hard. This shot came from a good distance away too.

Overall I had a fairly good time. There were some really annoying things and some really good things about it so on average it was a good weekend of paintball. The weather was great too, unlike last year when it was cold and rainy. Even though there is still room for improvement I think they have made some progress since last year. I'll probably go again next year but if they don't show some serious changes then it may be the last time. They seem to slowly be getting better so as long as they keep that up I'll keep going but if not then I'll just save up and go to EMR instead. Blue's Crew are good people, it's a shame that they don't want to go back. If the skulls decided not to return then I wouldn't be too disappointed though, they were very rude and annoying at the end of the game. It's one thing to tease other players but they were just insulting everybody on the blue team and talking a bunch of crap which is completely unneccesary. The 7 year-old kids with them were acting more mature than the teenagers which I think is very sad.

Thompson, you might want to give skirmish another try. From what I've seen, they aren't as bad as they were when you went. They don't have as many refs as they should but the ones that were there last year did a pretty good job of keeping the players under control. I like the game structure of D-day more too. They still kind of stick to the attack and defend style missions at west point which is ok but that gets kind of old after a while. There are also far more people so the fighting gets extremely intense, especially on the beach. If you buy paint in a group then you get it down to like $70-$75 per case and admission is $49 so it's only a little more expensive than west point so I think it's worth it. Maybe we can get a small group of forumers to band together there and just run missions constantly. You could be the general again if you wanted to or we could just try to get on the general's good side so we get the missions. I think just getting a group of us together would make the experience fun whether they run it well or not and chances are that they'll run d-day better than the west point games anyway.


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Posted By: senseijim
Date Posted: 14 April 2005 at 2:09am
I've had some contact with Thompson before, and I know him to be good guy.  Thompson, I was the guy that suggested that you contact that company forfor AR lowers.   REmeber Von was the owner?   I know he wouldn't make a rash decision, but sometimes we don't have all the information that we could have.

A lot of what seemed to be "out of control" circumstances at the point were really not. 

The cadets need new compressors to do the fills.  As I understand it, the ones they have are older and less reliable.  Also transport was at a premium, and only one hummer was doing ammo and air.  That meant that one side was getting resupplied and the other wasn't.  Remember that the cadets were spread thin.  They were also putting out forest fires.  Two guys were required to man each ammo truck and the compressor wasn't working on one.  Also every truckd and driver was needed for transport.  With player refs, more cadets will be able to lineback and put out fires.  (i don't mean smoke grenade fires)   Hudson valley should find a smoke that isn't "hot."

As "warriors" we are all aware that the fog of war creates chaos and that we can lose a battle by lack of info. 

For instance, on Saturday, the Reds were waiting for transport to go to lunch.  They were in the red respawn area.  Unfortunately, almost evreryone but them knew that the humvees were picking up at the airport.  The refs clearly stated this, but a few people assumed that the hummers wouild still be going to Reds reinsert point.

The accusations fly when people are faced with a superior enemy.  I had people on red, and they tell me that those skullls were very aggressive and were cunning and daring.  I fought side by side with Blue's Crew, and I will tell you  that they are an efficient fighting machine.  Now, as someone who has run a field, played, and Reffed for about 17 years, I can tell you that the good guys appear to be bullet proof, and they may be too good to be playing straight, but they do.  Often it is just skill.  You place yourself behind a bush, and it takes the enemy's incoming. 
In conclusion, I will say that Skulls and Blues C. were accused, but it doesn't mean that they were cheating. 

I took more rounds from the skulls than anyone on Saturday afternoon.  I was the guy in brown with the old gun that kept attacking up the road and into their fortification.   Me and the E-7 with the red gun.  I've got the welts to prove it.

Those skulls would talk to me and some even complemented me.  They weren't that bad.  Maybe they were better than they should have been at their age.  One of them came down and wanted to see the big guy that attacked up the road.  They thought that I was cheating because I went down to the bridge and came back so quickly.  (the Referee established that as our reinsert point)   So, I explainedthat I had "reinserted"  and wasn't cheating.   You see how the reds might think we were wiping and coming back.  Also the blues might think the reds were coming back quickly, but that was because thier general was a little  behind their lines.   He legally put them back into the game.

It might look like something bad is happening, but everything was cool. 

A skilled person can stay alive a lot longer under extreme circumstances.  That may make some think that he is cheating.  He doesn't have to.

Major McLean, the head honcho at West Point seems to be a good Joe.  I listened to him and he honestly wants to pull this operation up by its bootstraps and from what I heard, the fall event will be awesome. 

Thompson has mentioned a few new things that will be different in the fall event.  That surprised me.  Maj. McLean didn't waste any time.   I've seen leaders take months to decide an issue.  The Major is a rare case.  Those changes were made during the weekend, and more will  come before fall.  Expect a totally new experience.

Does anyone have any idea what the next West point scenario will be?   Thompson, you seem to be on the inside.  Any word?

Incidentally, our German reenactors are building a Strumgehshutz Aus 3 from a Mazda.  Any advice?   Can tanks knock out bunkers.  How is that done?





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