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Topic: Religion
Posted By: jimbob_07
Subject: Religion
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:22pm

FIRST OF ALL IDONT WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE OK.

I viewed a post similar to this about differing views on religion just wanted to know what folks thought.

Personally i believe that JESUS CHRIST yes the son of GOD is my salvation and my ticket to heaven when i have left this world.

Just wanted to know what yall thought please reply and please no flaming ok. thnx.



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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:23pm
Christian.

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Posted By: Snipa69
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:24pm
agnostic. I know too many religious people that will wind up going to hell because they mistake everything the bible says. I'm not jumping on that band wagon, that's for sure.

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Posted By: Bango
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:24pm
Dude just search this because everyone already gave their opinion.

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Posted By: cdacda13
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:25pm

Christian, i dont want to be specfic



Posted By: Trogdor2
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:27pm
I'm supposed to be Presbiterian, but I just associate myself with Christianity...

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Posted By: Kpoofs
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:29pm
Judaism for me ktxbye

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Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:34pm
atheist

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Posted By: Frozen
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 8:38pm
christian, but I don't follow anything other than my owwn judgement in that regard.


Posted By: Super NEWB
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 9:07pm
muslim

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Posted By: TruePaintballer
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 9:08pm
Protestant

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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 9:08pm
Atheist.

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Posted By: paintballu
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 9:14pm
sikihism

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Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 28 February 2005 at 9:19pm
Originally posted by Frozen Frozen wrote:

christian, but I don't follow anything other than my owwn judgement in that regard.


Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 1:32am
Athiest.


Posted By: Apu
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 2:29am
Athiest.

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Posted By: Darur
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 2:34am
Originally posted by Apu Apu wrote:

Athiest.


Is Athiest really even a religion?

Deffinition :

    1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
    2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.





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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 6:09am

I'm thinking of joining the Druze, but I hear they aren't taking applicants.

 

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Posted By: St. Jimmy
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:55am
I'm bringing back the Gnostic religion.


Posted By: Stormcharger
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Originally posted by Apu Apu wrote:

Athiest.


Is Athiest really even a religion?

Deffinition :

    1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
    2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.




No.  Closed mind + lack of acoutability = Athiest. 

If Einstein can believe in God, Who am I to dispute genius.



Posted By: MattyJ
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 12:47pm
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Posted By: pees-in-shower
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 1:00pm
Christian.


Posted By: DarkMachine5
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 5:33pm
Protestant. I practice low-christology. I think Jesus was a human, and he was a normal everyday guy until he was 30 and started his public life.  I dont believe in hell. It's dumb; just a scaretactic.  I think that if you are a good person and arnt a **edited** to otherpeople you will go to heaven.  If you arnt you wont.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 5:42pm
So there is a heaven, but not a hell?


Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 5:43pm

I'm sort of an agnostic.

Thw way I look at it is: We do not know if there is an after life or not. We also have no way of proving it (think of Plato, then re-read the last sentance). We might as well stop worring about things that we cannot even beging to prove or comprehend (the "after life") so we might as well rock out now, and have as much fun as we can now (with in the bounds of "morals" and the law)

(By "We" I mean the human race at large.) (By "morals" I am referring to the whole judeao/christian value system, and the 10 commandments. I know it is sort of ironic if you think about it, then re-read my post, but the way I look at it is that that value system is the fairest and most balanced that we can come up with. )



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Posted By: DarkMachine5
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

So there is a heaven, but not a hell?


 If god loves us all and would never want to hurt us then why would there be a place where you have to suffer forever?


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Posted By: WGP guy
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by Sammy Sammy wrote:

Christian.


Posted By: rockerdoode
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 6:24pm

Originally posted by DarkMachine5 DarkMachine5 wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

So there is a heaven, but not a hell?


 If god loves us all and would never want to hurt us then why would there be a place where you have to suffer forever?

very good point. 

although id have to say im agnostic, been looking at Buddhism though.



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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 6:58pm
Originally posted by DarkMachine5 DarkMachine5 wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

So there is a heaven, but not a hell?


 If god loves us all and would never want to hurt us then why would there be a place where you have to suffer forever?


Maybe because he chose to give everyone free will.  He doesn't force anyone to go heaven that doesn't want to own their own.

Also, for those who said they are christian, but don't let anything pass their own judgement.  Your own judgement is the only thing that can keep you from being a christian.  The only thing you can do to get into heaven (according to the Bible) is surrender all to him.  Surrending isn't going "Alright, but I'm not giving this up, it's my judgement."

Christian, Southern Baptist here.


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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:03pm
You go to hell by turning your back on god. I hate it these people who say "I dont believe in hell" Then go and and talk about heaven. In the bible, hell was created when lucifer fell from heaven. Its a place for lucifer and the other angels that rebelled. It just shows your own ignorance of your own religion to say "i dont believe in hell, if i dont belive in it, i cant go there" ive heard this one a lot too.

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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

You go to hell by turning your back on god. I hate it these people who say "I dont believe in hell" Then go and and talk about heaven. In the bible, hell was created when lucifer fell from heaven. Its a place for lucifer and the other angels that rebelled. It just shows your own ignorance of your own religion to say "i dont believe in hell, if i dont belive in it, i cant go there" ive heard this one a lot too.


I like how you use the word "hate" in every other post, and boast on your christianity, when the bible says you shouldn't hate anything or anyone.


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Posted By: ifull98
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:11pm

Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:

Originally posted by DarkMachine5 DarkMachine5 wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

So there is a heaven, but not a hell?


 If god loves us all and would never want to hurt us then why would there be a place where you have to suffer forever?


Maybe because he chose to give everyone free will.  He doesn't force anyone to go heaven that doesn't want to own their own.

Also, for those who said they are christian, but don't let anything pass their own judgement.  Your own judgement is the only thing that can keep you from being a christian.  The only thing you can do to get into heaven (according to the Bible) is surrender all to him.  Surrending isn't going "Alright, but I'm not giving this up, it's my judgement."

Christian, Southern Baptist here.

He said it perfectly.

I'm Southern Baptist, too.



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Posted By: St. Jimmy
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:23pm
When you think about it, if you're evil and Satan is evil why would he torture you? Why wouldn't he be like, hey let's hit a strip joint. So that gives me the notion that satan isn't really evil but just the "bad guy" parent who does the punishing. I beleieve in Heaven and Hell and think all the good folks will go to heaven whiel the evil people wont. My CCD teacher used to tell me that all these evil guys would go to heaven anyway. I think shes nuts.


Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:27pm
what a stupid thread

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Posted By: St. Jimmy
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:28pm
^you're cool.


Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by St. Jimmy St. Jimmy wrote:

When you think about it, if you're evil and Satan is evil why would he torture you? Why wouldn't he be like, hey let's hit a strip joint. So that gives me the notion that satan isn't really evil but just the "bad guy" parent who does the punishing. I beleieve in Heaven and Hell and think all the good folks will go to heaven whiel the evil people wont. My CCD teacher used to tell me that all these evil guys would go to heaven anyway. I think shes nuts.


Satan doesn't torture you for fun, but God can't use someone successfully with sin in their life, so when satan tempts you and you submit you're only furthering yourself away from God.  Which is satan's entire objective. 

And there are going to be alot of "good" people going to hell (according to the Bible), because they didn't submit their lives.  Submission and a relationship with Jesus Christ is the only way into Heaven.


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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:30pm

This is why I refuse to believe in fantasy stuff like that.



Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

This is why I refuse to believe in fantasy stuff like that.



What is your reason, because you didn't state it.

And someone's fantasy is anothers reality.


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Posted By: ifull98
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:31pm

Originally posted by St. Jimmy St. Jimmy wrote:

When you think about it, if you're evil and Satan is evil why would he torture you? Why wouldn't he be like, hey let's hit a strip joint. So that gives me the notion that satan isn't really evil but just the "bad guy" parent who does the punishing. I beleieve in Heaven and Hell and think all the good folks will go to heaven whiel the evil people wont. My CCD teacher used to tell me that all these evil guys would go to heaven anyway. I think shes nuts.

Well, I believe that Satan will be tortured along with the other people in hell. I don't think he's a ruler of hell, just another victim of it.

Anyways...



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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:32pm

I don't believe in it because of the mysticism, the fantasy involved in it, and the fact that it can't be proven.



Posted By: Bolt3
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:33pm
I'm Christian.

God = Real and all that stuff I don't want to type.

My opinion on other people who say prove it and crap like that: It's faith, that's the whole point.


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Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:35pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

I don't believe in it because of the mysticism, the fantasy involved in it, and the fact that it can't be proven.



It can't be proven?  Says who?  Can you show me from an un-biased site where it has been disproven?

And whos saying it is mysticism?  I don't see it as mythology at all, but as stories recorded.


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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:35pm

If I said I had faith that there was a real person named Santa Claus who visits my house every year along with the Easter Bunny, all of you would say no because it can't be proven.

Romans had hundreds of recorded stories, you call them myths?



Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:40pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

If I said I had faith that there was a real person named Santa Claus who visits my house every year along with the Easter Bunny, all of you would say no because it can't be proven.

Romans had hundreds of recorded stories, you call them myths?



But you said that the bible hasn't been proven.  There are many stories that were wrote in the Bible that artifacts and samples of are being found today.


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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:43pm
Many people find artifacts and statues of those stories of ancient greece and rome, but you call them myths.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:45pm
Originally posted by ifull98 ifull98 wrote:

Originally posted by St. Jimmy St. Jimmy wrote:

When you think about it, if you're evil and Satan is evil why would he torture you? Why wouldn't he be like, hey let's hit a strip joint. So that gives me the notion that satan isn't really evil but just the "bad guy" parent who does the punishing. I beleieve in Heaven and Hell and think all the good folks will go to heaven whiel the evil people wont. My CCD teacher used to tell me that all these evil guys would go to heaven anyway. I think shes nuts.


Well, I believe that Satan will be tortured along with the other people in hell. I don't think he's a ruler of hell, just another victim of it.


Anyways...



The bible says that lucifer chose to rule in hell than serve in heaven.

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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:46pm

Im a Christian.

Also, I think you fellow christians are missing a point. There is not, nor will there ever be "proof" of God. That is where our faith comes in. If there was set Proof there would be no need for faith at all.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

You go to hell by turning your back on god. I hate it
these people who say "I dont believe in hell" Then go and and talk
about heaven. In the bible, hell was created when lucifer fell from
heaven. Its a place for lucifer and the other angels that rebelled. It
just shows your own ignorance of your own religion to say "i dont
believe in hell, if i dont belive in it, i cant go there" ive heard
this one a lot too.


I like how you use the word "hate" in every other post, and boast on
your christianity, when the bible says you shouldn't hate anything or
anyone.


Bible doesnt say that at all. And i like how pick and chose what parts of gods word you accept and wich you dont. Christian dogma isnt like a sandwich. You cant just cut off the crust because you dont like it.

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Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:51pm
^but it gets stuck in my braces!

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:51pm
HEHE. Thats funny!

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Posted By: ifull98
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 7:55pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by ifull98 ifull98 wrote:

Originally posted by St. Jimmy St. Jimmy wrote:

When you think about it, if you're evil and Satan is evil why would he torture you? Why wouldn't he be like, hey let's hit a strip joint. So that gives me the notion that satan isn't really evil but just the "bad guy" parent who does the punishing. I beleieve in Heaven and Hell and think all the good folks will go to heaven whiel the evil people wont. My CCD teacher used to tell me that all these evil guys would go to heaven anyway. I think shes nuts.


Well, I believe that Satan will be tortured along with the other people in hell. I don't think he's a ruler of hell, just another victim of it.


Anyways...



The bible says that lucifer chose to rule in hell than serve in heaven.

Hmmmm. Where does it say that and what bible are you using? I was always under the impression that Satan would suffer in hell.



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Posted By: Frozen
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 8:01pm
Satan in Constantine was excellent.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by ifull98 ifull98 wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by ifull98 ifull98 wrote:


Originally posted by St. Jimmy St. Jimmy wrote:

When you think about it, if you're evil and Satan is evil why would he torture you? Why wouldn't he be like, hey let's hit a strip joint. So that gives me the notion that satan isn't really evil but just the "bad guy" parent who does the punishing. I beleieve in Heaven and Hell and think all the good folks will go to heaven whiel the evil people wont. My CCD teacher used to tell me that all these evil guys would go to heaven anyway. I think shes nuts.


Well, I believe that Satan will be tortured along with the other people in hell. I don't think he's a ruler of hell, just another victim of it.


Anyways...


The bible says that lucifer chose to rule in hell than serve in heaven.


Hmmmm. Where does it say that and what bible are you using? I was always under the impression that Satan would suffer in hell.



Yep, hell was created just for him.

And yes, the satan in constantine was very good. But it was a big nod to the satan portrayed in "The profecy" with the whole acting someone goofy and the licking and sniffing.

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Posted By: Atreyu
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 8:11pm
Im catholic. I do believe in hell because i think i have been there once {freaky dream i had bout 6 months ago, woke up with weird ass cut on my left arm}. I believe that god loves everything and everywon no matter what there sins {except being heretic?}. But i wont kno till im dead

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Posted By: Atreyu
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 8:16pm
I beleive that satan is human, and he walks amongst us. In the bible it says something like that. Ill go find the qoute in a minete, its also in the end of the origanel omen movie.

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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 8:21pm
Originally posted by Atreyu Atreyu wrote:

I beleive that satan is human, and he walks amongst us. In the bible it says something like that. Ill go find the qoute in a minete, its also in the end of the origanel omen movie.

I'm pretty sure that when Jesus comes back to Earth, Satan will rise to power and walk amongst us.

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Posted By: ifull98
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 8:26pm
Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by ifull98 ifull98 wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

Originally posted by ifull98 ifull98 wrote:


Originally posted by St. Jimmy St. Jimmy wrote:

When you think about it, if you're evil and Satan is evil why would he torture you? Why wouldn't he be like, hey let's hit a strip joint. So that gives me the notion that satan isn't really evil but just the "bad guy" parent who does the punishing. I beleieve in Heaven and Hell and think all the good folks will go to heaven whiel the evil people wont. My CCD teacher used to tell me that all these evil guys would go to heaven anyway. I think shes nuts.


Well, I believe that Satan will be tortured along with the other people in hell. I don't think he's a ruler of hell, just another victim of it.


Anyways...


The bible says that lucifer chose to rule in hell than serve in heaven.


Hmmmm. Where does it say that and what bible are you using? I was always under the impression that Satan would suffer in hell.



Yep, hell was created just for him.

And yes, the satan in constantine was very good. But it was a big nod to the satan portrayed in "The profecy" with the whole acting someone goofy and the licking and sniffing.

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire (hell) and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 9:15pm
Originally posted by Stormcharger Stormcharger wrote:

No. Closed mind + lack of acoutability = Athiest. If Einstein can believe in God, Who am I to dispute genius.


If I didnt like my sig already, I would use this quote instead.



I have nothing to further to add to this disscussion. Not even a witty comment.

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Posted By: sheriffhuck511
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

I don't believe in it because of the mysticism, the fantasy involved in it, and the fact that it can't be proven.



Dune I see we are at odds again. I am also a Southern Baptist. All I got to say, is that it can't be proven because your suppose to act on faith.   Believing without seeing is the greatest gift.
We will all see one day because Jesus IS coming back.

Once you accept Jesus in your heart you can feel that he is indeed real and your Savior.

My final remark: If you are right and GOD doesn't exist then when we die, neither of us lose, we just go into a permeant sleep of some sort. If Jesus is the way then when you die you will suffer forever.
Think of it as fire insurance better to be safe and wrong then wrong and left without a hope.

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Posted By: ifull98
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by sheriffhuck511 sheriffhuck511 wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

I don't believe in it because of the mysticism, the fantasy involved in it, and the fact that it can't be proven.



Dune I see we are at odds again. I am also a Southern Baptist. All I got to say, is that it can't be proven because your suppose to act on faith.   Believing without seeing is the greatest gift.
We will all see one day because Jesus IS coming back.

Once you accept Jesus in your heart you can feel that he is indeed real and your Savior.

My final remark: If you are right and GOD doesn't exist then when we die, neither of us lose, we just go into a permeant sleep of some sort. If Jesus is the way then when you die you will suffer forever.
Think of it as fire insurance better to be safe and wrong then wrong and left without a hope.

Huck



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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 10:06pm
At this point it isnt even an issue of if I choose to believe or not.

I choose not to follow a "Being/higher power" just because "it" feels it can bully mankind into conformity under the guise of "free will." By "God" saying it is "my way or Hell," he does not present a true option of choice. It is more in the realm of forced conformity. Also, I choose not to follow a being that is hypcritical and intolerant to those that dont choose to be a Christian conformist.

If I burn in Hell for my actions or choices that I made during my existance, than so be it but at least I will know that didnt blindly conform just so that I could have a pleasant after death existance.

I dont think it matters if God exists or does not. I would live my life the exact same way even if I had a prefect knowledge of a God's existance or non-existance.

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Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 11:19pm
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 11:28pm
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 01 March 2005 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

At this point it isnt even an issue of if I choose to believe or not.

I choose not to follow a "Being/higher power" just because "it" feels it can bully mankind into conformity under the guise of "free will." By "God" saying it is "my way or Hell," he does not present a true option of choice. It is more in the realm of forced conformity. Also, I choose not to follow a being that is hypcritical and intolerant to those that dont choose to be a Christian conformist.

If I burn in Hell for my actions or choices that I made during my existance, than so be it but at least I will know that didnt blindly conform just so that I could have a pleasant after death existance.

I dont think it matters if God exists or does not. I would live my life the exact same way even if I had a prefect knowledge of a God's existance or non-existance.


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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 12:48am
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Also, I think you fellow christians are missing a point. There is not, nor will there ever be "proof" of God. That is where our faith comes in. If there was set Proof there would be no need for faith at all.



Strangely, I finally realized that this is what I believe a few months ago. You can't prove God exists because to do so would remove the need for our free will. I think you can have it proven to you after you have enough faith to believe... but I digress.

I really don't like these threads. They get pretty nasty, particularly with all sides bashing everyone else.

I really should get around to my 'religion thread' idea I've been planning for a while. I think the forum's calmed down enough to try it. Details will follow when I post it.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 1:35am
I'm with you on that Hades.


Posted By: Heres To You
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 7:10am
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Im a Christian.

Also, I think you fellow christians are missing a point. There is not, nor will there ever be "proof" of God. That is where our faith comes in. If there was set Proof there would be no need for faith at all.



Not true, I'll get the scripture when I get back from school.

And there IS proof and points to the validity of the bible, and I'll get those once I'm back from school as well.......


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Posted By: sheriffhuck511
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 10:20am
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

At this point it isnt even an issue of if I choose to believe or not.

I choose not to follow a "Being/higher power" just because "it" feels it can bully mankind into conformity under the guise of "free will." By "God" saying it is "my way or Hell," he does not present a true option of choice. It is more in the realm of forced conformity. Also, I choose not to follow a being that is hypcritical and intolerant to those that dont choose to be a Christian conformist.

If I burn in Hell for my actions or choices that I made during my existance, than so be it but at least I will know that didnt blindly conform just so that I could have a pleasant after death existance.

I dont think it matters if God exists or does not. I would live my life the exact same way even if I had a prefect knowledge of a God's existance or non-existance.


You should research before you make that decision. You are sinful and GOD isnt he cant be around you with sin because you would die instantly. Jesus was the only person that lived a sinless life so he took them for us. He is the only way to be with GOD who loves you regardless of how you feel about them.


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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 11:18am
If my only mortal sin is not believing in a "God" and having not faith in "its" saving grace, then I think I will have lived a good life. If this doesnt earn me eternal salvation and I end up being just an altered state of energy, I am comfortable with that.

I gave nearly 20 years to religion, and religious research before I came to my findings/conclusions. I found too many kinks or what I would concider fallicies to believe in "religion."

I am not ruling out the possiblity that a "God" does exist but I feel that if one did exist, it would have very little similiarities to what is believed to be God currently.

Personly it is comforting to pretend/believe that there is someone out in the universe looking out for me, but is that feeling enough for me to believe it? I personally dont think so.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 11:22am
Yes its comforting, but that fact doesnt make it sham or a crutch.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 11:38am
True, it is not reason alone discredit a belief or existance of God but motive is one big factor and having the eteral, All knowing, All powerful being on ones side is enough for most people to accept it.

Hmm.. Comforting to know someone is oout there to protect me from any harm and save me if I just ask believe or all alone in the big ever expanding universe at the mercy the earth's element and/or social deviants.

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Posted By: jimbob_07
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 1:09pm

this is very interesting

 



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 1:12pm
Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

True, it is not reason alone discredit a belief or existance of God but motive is one big factor and having the eteral, All knowing, All powerful being on ones side is enough for most people to accept it.

Hmm.. Comforting to know someone is oout there to protect me from any harm and save me if I just ask believe or all alone in the big ever expanding universe at the mercy the earth's element and/or social deviants.


God never says no hard will come to you. Nor does he say that we are all alone in the universe. Actualy, in the bible it hints quit to the contrary. There is a passage were god says "I have spoken to another flock" I think this might mean aliens. Lots of very interesting stuff.

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Posted By: jimbob_07
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:09pm

aliens you have got to be kidding me

 



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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:13pm

^^^Why? The Bible also talks about one guy building a boat and housing two of every species of animal to survive? That's just as ridiculous.



Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:13pm
No, im not kidding. Lots of very interesting things in the bible. Who knows who the other flock is. Muslims? Jews? Aliens? The people of atlantis? The first humans?

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Posted By: jimbob_07
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:15pm

I started this topic I never it expected it to as far as aliens ok.

Here is what i believe:God sent his only son Jesus Christ to die for our sins upon a cross.  In his death our sins were paid for in blood.  However we must believe and confess our sins and ask for forgiveness and for Jesus to come and live within our hearts so that one day we may enter the kingdom of fire.

On another not hell is real God wants no one to go there, but if one chooses to turn away the greatest gift anyone will ever have the chance to accept. then hell will be your eternal home.

There is a scripture in the bible that somes all of this let me recite it to you all: JOHN3:16 , For God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever will believe in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.



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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

^^^Why? The Bible also talks about one guy building a boat and housing two of every species of animal to survive? That's just as ridiculous.



Eh, it wasnt the world that was flooded. More likely the area between the two rivers, or the firtile creasent. And its not that far fetched. And besides, much of exodus is parables and not fact anyway.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:18pm

You started the thread only to voice your own opinion?

I hate to tell you, but I believe that it's all crap. I believe that we came from an evolving race of humaniod creatures, all of which have been dug up and shown to have existed over 2 million years ago. Each dying out when they could not survive the drastic weather changes and continental shifts. I believe that when you die, that's it, no more.



Posted By: jimbob_07
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:19pm
As for Noah and the Ark that is wear ones faith comes in. You simply have to believe.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:21pm

Originally posted by jimbob_07 jimbob_07 wrote:

As for Noah and the Ark that is wear ones faith comes in. You simply have to believe.

Kind of like when your parents wanted you to believe in Santa Claus in order to make you behave during the year.



Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:

Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Im a Christian.

Also, I think you fellow christians are missing a point. There is not, nor will there ever be "proof" of God. That is where our faith comes in. If there was set Proof there would be no need for faith at all.



Not true, I'll get the scripture when I get back from school.

And there IS proof and points to the validity of the bible, and I'll get those once I'm back from school as well.......

Yes you can point out historicly things in the bible but as far as set physical proof of God there is none.

Its unbelivable but I still belive.



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Posted By: jimbob_07
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:23pm

Im sorry for you my friend when you leave this world you will remember this.

I think i will post one more scripture:Romans6:23,For the wages of sin is death;but the gift of god is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

ps. faith is the key



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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:23pm
Tell that to all the other religions, some of whom have more followers than christianity.


Posted By: jimbob_07
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:

Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

Im a Christian.

Also, I think you fellow christians are missing a point. There is not, nor will there ever be "proof" of God. That is where our faith comes in. If there was set Proof there would be no need for faith at all.



Not true, I'll get the scripture when I get back from school.

And there IS proof and points to the validity of the bible, and I'll get those once I'm back from school as well.......

Yes you can point out historicly things in the bible but as far as set physical proof of God there is none.

Its unbelivable but I still belive.

thank you

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:26pm
There is such a thing as faith. However I consider it Blind Faith.


Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Tell that to all the other religions, some of whom have more followers than christianity.


Like who? Muslims? Hindus? Same god. Manifested differently through a lense of different cultures.

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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:34pm

How is it the same god when the writings are different, the goals and means on getting to the afterlife are different? That makes people act different, conduct their lives differently, and have regard for other religions differently. If it is the same god, then how do you explain many of the other religions that have come up, with just as good of arguments as christianity. Shintuism, Buddhism, mythology.



Posted By: jimbob_07
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:34pm

Exactly Faith is nothing more than believing something strongly through your heart. And yes there are religions that have more followers than christianity such as Islam and their faith is remarkable i mean blowing yourself up for your god that is strong faith unfortunatly it is not the right path. 

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the lord shall be saved.



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Posted By: eaglesin05
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 3:36pm
Atheist. 

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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

There is such a thing as faith. However I consider it Blind Faith.


Faith is usually blind by definition.. belief in something without concrete or even substantial evidence.

I know for a fact that God exists, but I can't prove it to anyone because my facts sound absolutely absurd. Like I said, I don't think you can prove that God exists to a person unless they already believe to some extent. I try as hard as I can to get people thinking, hoping that some day somebody might be intrigued enough to try it.

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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 6:20pm
Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

How is it the same god when the writings are different, the goals and means on getting to the afterlife are different? That makes people act different, conduct their lives differently, and have regard for other religions differently. If it is the same god, then how do you explain many of the other religions that have come up, with just as good of arguments as christianity. Shintuism, Buddhism, mythology.



Like i said. Different cultures.

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Posted By: jimbob_07
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 6:31pm
Romans3:23, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 02 March 2005 at 11:06pm
Hades 2:46

Go forth and spread thy seed upon the earth. For when your time has come to pass, you will have enjoyed life. Go forth and multiply. Your seed and good deeds will give you life eternal.

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Posted By: Atreyu
Date Posted: 03 March 2005 at 8:27pm

^^^ HAHA

 



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Date Posted: 03 March 2005 at 11:35pm
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