Death Penalty
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Topic: Death Penalty
Posted By: TheSpookyKids87
Subject: Death Penalty
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:30am
| This was a topic that came up in class today. The majority of the people in my class were against it. I'm curious on what your stand is on the topic. |
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Posted By: merc
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:36am
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i think they should kill um faster... ------------- saving the world, one warship at a time. |
Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 11:59am
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Depends what they did. ------------- 
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 12:02pm
| Is that really a yes or no question? |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 12:25pm
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I personally am against it, but then again, I've never had a family member murdered or raped.
Damn you Clark Kent, having you around here makes me question myself too much! I like just typing dribble to stir crap up, but the more you post the dumber I feel. Go hit yourself in the head with a hammer a few dozen times and give us all a chance! LMFAO |
Posted By: quizl
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 12:42pm
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i have no problem with killing the criminals that do real terrible things. i just dont like how it costs more to put someone to death rather than life in prison. ------------- MEJOR QUE |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 12:56pm
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Not sure... I have to decide my stance on the value of human life and who gets to make the choice of when one deserves to lose it.
I will probably for it be for it. There a few hang ups that I have to work out before I can make the call. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 12:59pm
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Im for it. But for it to be effective. It needs to be quick. You kill someone in a robery. You or your family repays the debt. Then you get a shot in the arm in a year or two. This waiting around on death row business doesnt work. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors"> 
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Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 12:59pm
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eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:14pm
That would be horrible. Say your house colapses and kills your son. The devolopers son is killed. Its imoral. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Panda Man wrote:Posted By: LastShot0330
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:18pm
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Most states are trying to abolish the death penalty...mine's putting in an express lane ------------- [IMG]http://www.zmachars.com/emb%20patches/The-Used-Logo_P-752_small.jpg"> |
Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:19pm
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DB: hahahahahaha... ahahaha... hahahaha ok, ok... wew... <takes a deep breath> You know what I'm saying... Like if some old dude rapes a 14yr old, I think the sentance should be that hte guy should be raped by 14 guys named buba.  -------------
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Posted By: LastShot0330
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:22pm
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^poor guy was traded for a pack of cigarettes...how tragic
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:23pm
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Heh, that will most likely end up happening anyway. Lastshot0330, that guy is drunk every time he performs. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: LastShot0330
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:26pm
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^Huh???...Drunk...OH!!! Ron White...I get it now ------------- [IMG]http://www.zmachars.com/emb%20patches/The-Used-Logo_P-752_small.jpg"> |
Posted By: BlackDeath7
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:27pm
you must be from Texas, lol I am personally for the death penalty as long as the criminal is dangerous enough and has committed terrible crimes and shows no signs of ever swaying from his evil ways. Then he deserves to die. ------------- 
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Posted By: LastShot0330
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:29pm
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:34pm
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I don't see anything inherently wrong with the death penalty. The main concern is that it is pretty much irreversible (not that a prison sentence is really "reversible", but you get my drift). That, combined with my general concern about innocent people being wrongfully convicted of anything, makes me very leery of the death penalty (or mutilation or other irreversible punishments). Our judicial system is imperfect, and our punishments should reflect that. |
Posted By: LastShot0330
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:36pm
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^ Yeah, I see your point about our justice system being imperfect. Just look at OJ he got away with murder ------------- [IMG]http://www.zmachars.com/emb%20patches/The-Used-Logo_P-752_small.jpg"> |
Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 1:56pm
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Im against it let god decide when they die ------------- 
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 2:58pm
| I am of course completely against it. |
Posted By: Strife_17
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:02pm
| i think the death penalty should only be used when the person convicted is still a danger to others while in prison |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:03pm
| I see your point, but that is very rare, and in those situations it is all too common to use solitary confinement. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:23pm
Are you serious?!? Is that true? If so, forget that...I'm even more against it now. Damn, saving money was one of the biggest bright spots I thought executions had going for them....something just isn't adding up when you can support a human being's every need for the rest of his life for less money than you can kill them for....I'm shocked. |
Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:26pm
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Yes and no.
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:32pm
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It only cost more to put someone to death because of all the non-waiveable appeals process that are filed automatically in behalf of a death row immate. -------------
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:36pm
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Yup, if we said. Once you get death, you are taken out back of the courthouse and shot. The cost would be 35 cents. The reason its so expensive, is because of the apeals like Hades said. But its a nesesary evil, we need apeals. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Cedric
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:41pm
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If you end someone's life, isn't that just as bad as someone killing someone else? -------------
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:46pm
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Not necessarily at all. People are killed in a variety of circumstances, and they all carry different moral values. |
Posted By: bluemunky42
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:46pm
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:47pm
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Yes, it is. But I am not. The government is. Think how much went into it, there were cops, detectives, witnesses, testimonies, character testimonies, a trial, judge, a jury of peirs. So, society is putting this person to death. Not just one person. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:49pm
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I dont always see killing people is always a bad thing... -------------
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Posted By: Calypso
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 3:55pm
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I'm personally for it. ------------- Tippmann 98 Custom: 14" J&J Ceramic 32* Car stock w/RVA Dye Sticky 3's (Blue) Response Trigger VL eVLution II loader Polished Internals 1993 Taurus SHO MTX |
Posted By: DracoPlasm
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 4:04pm
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I dont think we have the right to decide when its someones time to go -------------
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Posted By: phillll227
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 4:13pm
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Yes, I think that under certain cicumstances capital punishment should be used. ------------- |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 4:17pm
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If someone kills another human being with no arguable reason at all I don't see why he shouldn't get the death penalty
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Posted By: Badsmitty
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 4:30pm
| Will a rich white guy who robs a family's pension plan (Enron), leaving them penniless, thus shortening their lives and security, ever be given it? |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 4:50pm
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^He shouldn't be given the death penality but a nice prison sentence and have to pay compensation to the family
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Posted By: slacker guy
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 4:53pm
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 4:54pm
| As Antonin Scalia once said (and I'm quoting a man I hate with every ounce of my soul) "when you start bringing the issue of someone's taste and heightened set of morals against someone else's, that is when the issue doesn't belong in the courtroom." Summing it up, the fact that so many of us believe that someone can be killed by the government, it is a matter of taste and opinion of morals. I refuse to believe that the government should have the right to kill it's citizens. It is also known that over 24 individuals have been executed who have later been proven innocent. That is 24 too many. The system contains the ultimate seizure, an irreversable one, that's too much power for a government to have. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 5:06pm
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But, Dune, enforcement issues aside, assuming that the government has the "right" to punish its citizens with life in prison (for example), then why not death? Does not that same "taste" issue relate equally to all other sentencing guidelines, or even to the entire criminal code? What is it about the death penalty that sets it apart from the myriad of other penalties the government may enforce?
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Posted By: Dragunov
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 5:11pm
Ya see, here's the snag. There's this crazy thing called the Bill of Rights, and it outlaws cruel and unusual punishment. ------------- RAMBINO IS MY BABIES DADDY 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 5:14pm
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Eh... its open to interpretation. Thats how it seems a lot of times. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 5:41pm
| "Cruel and unusual" is, IMO, the crappiest provision of the constitution. It is so vague as to be virtually meaningless. |
Posted By: Dragunov
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 5:55pm
True, but can't that be interpreted by a group of reasonable people as to what it means?(I forget the correct term for it) ------------- RAMBINO IS MY BABIES DADDY
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Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:15pm
Because the cops were stupid about it. ------------- 
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Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:17pm
I dont think the problem lies in the constitution, but in the supreme court, wich is essentialy an oligarchy. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: SeaWolf
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:29pm
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If you kill somebody else, I don't think it's fair to tax payers to keep you alive in jail. ------------- 
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Posted By: Impulsive
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:42pm
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I think they should be deported. Quick and easy, $200 a ticket.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:46pm
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Neither quick nor easy. |
Posted By: Impulsive
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 6:55pm
Would hate to be a penile surgeon. ------------- Cockers are like stick shifts, after a few transmissions you get the hang of them. |
Posted By: paintballman_13
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 7:29pm
| I would rather have the person suffer in jail. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 21 March 2005 at 8:08pm
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^That's how I feel, especially after finding out it would cost less than killing them!
But then again, whose to say they won't live a happy life in prison? Well, at least happier than the person they killed. I don't see it as justice if you kill someone yet get to live out the rest of your life. But then again, I don't personally know anyone whom I think is deserving of deciding whther or not someone deserves to die. |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 12:13am
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Although the Bible says to put people to death for some things, I don't think it works in America. It assumes you KNOW the person committed the crime (if a man murders his brother, etc, as opposed to if a man is convicted of murdering his brother). I think we should have it, but it should be very hard to be sentenced to death.
I would like to see prisons more punishing in different ways. Protect the inmates from rape but perhaps, with their permission, use them for medical tests. That way a life sentence can do some good for society. Perhaps if everyone had to sign a document to become a citizen, something that stated that they agreed that should they perform X acts, their life is forfeit, that might work. Essentially give the government permission to enforce the death penalty if you abuse your citizenship. I'd really rather not kill people, certainly not if their conviction isn't totally solid. I would only support death sentences for confessed crimes and %100 convictions. I do agree that life imprisonment is a bit silly to have. The only advantage is that the inmates *might* be released, but it's not exactly hopeful for them. I'd keep them anyway, as there have been many cases of people having their convictions overturned by new evidence. Overall, I'll say no since that covers the majority of my opinion. I'm about 93% no, 7% yes. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: 636andy636
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 3:34am
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i belive in it but sometimes i think. would you rather want to just die or live for the rest of your life in jail... me id rather die.
if you killed kids your 100% going to die in prison. somone will kill you. killing adults is ok but kids is horible |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 10:33am
| Death is the ultimate penalty, an irreversable seizure, where all other penalties for the most part can still guarantee life after the punishment. Execution is wrong. |
Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 10:37am
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I still fail to see how killing somebody is showing them more punishment then forcing them to live out the rest of their lives 1.Trapped in the same place, knowing the rest of their lives will be the same routine, every day, every year, untill they die, and 2.Giving them time to think about the crime they did while they sit there. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bass654321
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:33am
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I don't agree with it. Not because it's "inhuman" to kill someone, but simply because I see the death penalty as an easy way out. Most states use the lethal injection which is a quick and painless way to kill someone. I don't want a person that committed such a hateful act to die painlessly. I want them to think about it and go crazy, knowing that they'll die in a horrible place. ------------- "You have to be trusted, by the people that you lied to. So that when they turn their backs on you, you'll get the chance to put the knife in." Pink Floyd- Dogs |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:39am
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"I'd really rather not kill people, certainly not if their conviction isn't totally solid. I would only support death sentences for confessed crimes and %100 convictions"
What's a 100% conviction? I honestly don't know what that means. Also, I bet you could say goodbye to confessions of any sort...whose gonna confess when they know they're facinf deat for it? I don't think you should execute someone who confessed to the crime, otherwise we would never get another confession, ever. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:40am
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The death penalty is just a form of revenge, and serves no true useful purpose. The costs outweigh any benefits. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:41am
Well, if they were twisted enough to commit a horrible crime, I doubt they're gonna spend their time sitting in their cell thinking of the bad stuff they've done. They'll just go lift some weights, rape some inmates, and cop some cigarettes. While life in jail is not good, I still think there's too much enjoyment in simply being alive. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:43am
I don't know, think if your mother was raped and murdered by some gang-banging car-jacker? I think then I personally wouldn't settle for anything less than someone dying in return. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:44am
| If my loved one was dead, never gonna see another day, I would want the same for the person that killed them. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:44am
| Research would prove your argument wrong, with many psychologists believing that very few criminals enjoy prison life, and many would rather just die then serve there for the rest of their lives. Many criminologists have studied this in attempt to discover whether or not the death penalty is seen as better than life. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:52am
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Not to be rude, but I'm not saying they would like it or not.
I'm saying what I would prefer. I wouldn't feel right with my family member dead while some dude still got the freedom to wake up and do his daily routine, whether that be in jail or Hawaii. I've never personally been to jail, but from the few friend I've known that have gone, I would MUCH rather be in jail than dead. Like you said, once you're dead it's over. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 12:08pm
| Revenge shouldn't count as punishment. |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 12:47pm
I made up the term 100% conviction (I was tired). I should have said 'indisputably proven conviction', such as you see on CSI shows and so on, where the killer is identified by DNA beyond any possible doubt. Something that couldn't be faked. For example, say a video camera catches a man shooting another man in a parking lot. The camera footage gives a good idea as to his height and weight, but no face. The gun is of a type a suspect has been known to carry and he has gunshot residue on his clothing from the night of the shooting. This is not indisputable, but could convict a person with some more evidence. The man might have been shooting beer bottles in his backyard and the shooting was someone else with the same gun, for instance. However, if the camera got a good look at his face, or if he threw the gun away and DNA tracing matched him to it, that makes it more solid, guaranteeing a conviction (nearly) but not proving anything, as there are explanations for all of this. It's possible that someone stole his gun, explaining the DNA trace. A 100% conviction would be a combination of these. If there's footage of a man who looks just like a suspect, with a victim shot by a man wielding a gun registered to the suspect or known to be in the suspect's posession, and the man has gunshot residue on his clothing, and he tossed the gun and DNA tracing proved it was his, that would be 100%. It was his gun, fired by someone wearing his clothes and approximating his description with an identical face. I know this is a bit shaky as I just made it up off the top of my head, but that's a 100% conviction. Something that it's entirely impossible to explain away short of having an identical twin with identical clothing. And as for confessions, I was thinking of the crazed murderers who enjoy talking about it after the fact. People who admit to what they did candidly. I really need to stop the late-night forum benders. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: whoknowswho
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 1:54pm
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The death penalty is a good deterrent, and is a good way to prevent repeat offenders from commiting the same crimes over and over again. I am for it. Also, to get the death penalty, they must be pretty well caught and proven to have done the crime. Yes, wrongful convictions happen, but the percentage is very, very low. frivolous appeals are what is dragging the system down. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:09pm
Who says revenge and justice don't go hand-in-hand? |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:13pm
You're wrong. It's not a deterrent. Maybe to the dead guy, but not to anyone else. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:14pm
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Admiral, I get what you're saying now, and I actually agree.
If there is just absolutely no doubt, like you said, the guy is caught on tape, DNA is matching, all that good stuff...then I guess I can see putting someone to death. I think this is one of those topics that if you feel really strongly one way or the other, you probably aren't looking at the big picture. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:15pm
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Yeah, I think we should have better ways to deter crime.
If our best answer to repeat offenders is to just kill them, we aren't looking into all the options. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:33pm
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Revenge and justice cannot go hand-in-hand. Revenge is what a person wants in return, often more vicious then the original crime. Justice only looks to find an equal punishment. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:45pm
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^I disagree.
If my family member is killed, justice ,to me, would be for the person who killed them to be killed themself. How is that asking too much, or anymore vicious than the original crime? If anything, the original crime was worse because you did it to an innocent person. How is executing a murderer, who was judged by a jury of his peers, any worse or more vicious than the guy killing my family member in the first place? |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:45pm
| Justice and revenge are not exclusive of each other, IMO. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:48pm
Why does it have to be equal? Take enron for instance, those guys were all crooks. I wish the punishment was cut off a hand. Back in colonial days. People were tared and feathered. The tar burned you very very badly. When it dried, you try to peel it off, it would take skin and flesh with it. Esentialy, it was a death sentence, a bit extreem, but why should we acomodate a rapist to make sure his punishment is fair, nothing was far about the fact he raped someone, fair was the last thing on his mind. It should be the last thing on ours. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Tae Kwon Do
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 2:51pm
Thats why we are a civilized country now. We have moved beyond the days of 'Eye for an Eye'. -------------
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Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 3:01pm
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Exactly Tae, if we are going to be a country of equality, liberty, and being civilized, then we cannot allow for barbaric practices. It is still revenge, not justice. Since it is your family member it makes sense why you'd want that sort of revenge, but that doesn't make it justice. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 3:01pm
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Who says that what we really need. A person steals 45 million from a company and he gets 6 months. I walk into my local 7 11 and steel 200 bucks i get 5 years. Something is wrong, the punishment doesnt fit. The judicial branch is an elitist system. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: borntopaint
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 4:56pm
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Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:33pm
I still disagree.....who says killing someone is necessarily barbaric? Family members aside, I'm talking about a complete stranger here. Say some man kills a young girl. He kidnaps her from her home, holds her hostage fro a few weeks, all the while he tortures her. He finally kills her after these couple of horrible weeks...he never knew the girl before any of this...she was a truly innocent victim. To me, putting this man to death, whether it be hanging him, firing squad, lethal injection, gas chamber, whatever...I think that would be justice. And I see no way that the punishment is anymore bararic than the crime. |
Posted By: DBibeau855
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 8:13pm
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If the government KNOWS a person commited murder. Seeking the death penalty is justified. If a government can use military force, in witch killing more often than not go hand in hand, how can killing through the court of law and due process be barbaric. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/DBibeau855/?chartstyle=myspacecolors">
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Posted By: Lawless
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 8:36pm
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Hey! The way I look at is this... By putting someone to death, you're just giving them a quick and painless death, which to me, is far from just. I'd kill to be guaranteed a quick and painless death. In my opinion, forcing someone to rot in solitary for the rest of their life is much more of a punishment than just euthanizing them. I mean come on...what would you rather have? A quick and painless death...or having to sit in a 6x6 cell by yourself for the rest of your life? ...Just my opinion. ------------- Name: Paul R. Warman II Location: The Boonies, MI Phone Number: (989)666-XXXX |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 9:15pm
| So we have one person who thinks it's too barbaric, and another that thinks it's not enough so.... |
Posted By: Johndcjr1989
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 9:29pm
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im too lazy to read all the posts before now so im just gonna post my opinion but its problly been posted already due to the fact that im right. lol i think that they should have the death penalty and that they shouldnt sit on death row for 15 years like before i think it should be much quicker than that without obstructin the appeal process and all of the convicts legal rights. i think that if u r against it then u should think about if some stranger just killed ur parents, or borhter/sister, or grandparents, or children or whatever then u would be really mad right? i know that some ppls religion requires them to forgive the person who commited these crimes but forgivance doesnt make it ok it just means that the victim's family and friends ahve come to peace with it. the bible still says "an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth and a life for a life". and when i was thinkin about this i thought "what would some of these anti-death penalty ppl did if somebody killed their most beloved person in the whole world?" i know that i would want them to get the death penalty and for it to be just as horrific and painful for them as it was for their victims...these guys have it easy...in TX they get a shot to calm them down and then 3 more that deliver the poison. but what about the victims? Shot? stabbed? beaten? tortured? kidnapped and sexually abused before they were put out of theyre misery? and did they get a shot to calm them down before they were murdered? no. if i had a choice between no death penalty at all and lethal injection then i would say lethal injection is better than nothing but i still like Floridas way of doin it--Electric chair...the convict doesnt suffer for any long amount of time but they do feel a little pain before death and its also more intimidatin than gettin a shot (considering alot of these guys have been shootin up heroin for years anyways). anyways thats just my 2 cents...if u would like to discuss this futher with me or have a comment about something i said then just PM me since i might not be checkin back on this topic. ------------- Rockin' the Ironman Intimidator. The Original Redneck Gangsta |
Posted By: sheriffhuck511
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 9:52pm
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Well as I stated the last time this topic came up- click here if you want to read what was said last time
http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=127738&PN=1&TPN=1 - juv and death penalty But to sum it up, I feel that the death penalty is good for sociopaths and the such that are beyond all medical hope because they will always present a danger to society, fellow inmates (who might have only paid for a prostitute, a victimless crime), and prison guards. I citied several examples in that discussion of sick people that killed for the fun, excitement, and even some who do it because they felt they were right by doing so (like the one murderer who killed a family because their house was unclean and their grass was to long, he felt he was doing society a favor). I am not for making the death penalty any quicker, people should have the right to have every possible court review the decision to ensure it's validity. I also dont feel it should be used for killers who murder in the heat of passion (catch your wife in bed with another man so you kill them) because after your sentence is up you have no reason to kill again and may even become productive in society again. I dont think retribution and punishment are any different in any aspect. When you sentence someone to jail it is society punishing you for your wrongs and the state is getting back at you for it, just like when your mom use to whope you or put you in time out. The death penalty is the same except its permanent, its society saying that you have done a wrong so unexcuseable that the only punishment that fits your crime is to sentence you to death for the safety of all, because to me that should be the ultimate goal of the death penalty, to protect society. Yeah life in prison would suck, but there are some that would spend that life making it hell for others (what have they got to lose, they are in prison for ever and if they kill another inmate that was only there for 2-4 years they denied him of his life while there is nothing else that can be done to the killer, he is already in for life) unless of course they managed to get 20/20 on their side and uses the media to get out and a few have tried- Karla Fay Tucker comes to mind when in Texas she and her boyfriend got high off of and I quote " heroin, valium, speed, percodan, mandrax, marijuana, dilaudid, methadone, tequila, and rum" all at the same time and some how managed to go with her boyfriend and brake into an occupied apartment and struck the male occupent with a hammer, and then while he begged for his life she hit him repeatedly with a pickax. Then they found a women hiding under some covers and did the same to her. She later told her sister that "she got a thrill while picking the male" and that every time she "picked the female she looked up grinned and got a nut and hit her again." Both the victims had over 20 wounds and the pickax was found in the woman victim's body. Anyways Karla Tucker went on 20/20 trying to get claim she found Jesus and wanted off death row. She is not the first to try and get clemency by going on tv and while most only get their sentences commuted to life when it works some actually manage to make enough fuss to get a full pardon. This is why I think the death penalty is sometimes necessary. Huck ------------- My set up: 98c with flatline, x-chamber, e-bolt, car stock, remote, Crossfire .68/4500, and Empire Reloader B "I'm gonna barbecue you in molasses!" - Sheriff Buford T. Justice |
Posted By: Johndcjr1989
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 9:59pm
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very nice examples and i agree with most of what u said. its good to see some ppl still have common sense these days. ------------- Rockin' the Ironman Intimidator. The Original Redneck Gangsta |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 23 March 2005 at 10:54am
| I just don't see it as a useful tool. The government should not have the right to take the ultimate seizure away. I think that's a situation in which many if not most European countries follow by not allowing the death penalty. I think we should follow their lead. |
Posted By: Zesty
Date Posted: 23 March 2005 at 11:42am
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^If your argument is usefulness, then how is keeping them in prison for life anymore useful?
Besides, have you thought of the victim's pain when they find out the guy that killed his friend is going to live out the rest of his life, meanwhile your friend is dead and buried? Personally, living the rest of your life in confinement is not justice for someone who took another person's life. |
Posted By: lester98c
Date Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:15pm
| my state doesnt use it enough.PA hasnt killed anyone in like 20 years i think. |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:14pm
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In Florida there was that sicko that killed Jessica Lunsford(SP?). I hope he gets the same death penality the courts give out in Flordia ...starvation/dehydration
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